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In this week’s episode of Movie Mindset Will and Hesse dive into British filmmaker Mike Leigh and his rigorous and idiosyncratic process for making films, which involve intense collaboration with his cast to research, rehearse, improvise and ultimately create astonishingly authentic portraits of human life and behavior in all it’s joy and misery. In these two films we get a full showcase of what Leigh and his cast are capable of in these unforgettable depictions of the comedy and tragedy of human existence.

First, In Life Is Sweet (1990) we meet and spend time with an ordinary working class family. Patriarch Andy (Jim Broadbent) is affable and easy going, mother Wendy (Alison Steadman) is bubbly and full jokes, daughter Natalie (Claire Skinner) is droll and level-headed, while her twin Nicola (Jane Horrocks) is a boiling cauldron of dysfunction and negativity. 

Then in Naked, an intelligent and vicious young drifter, Johnny (David Thewlis), flees Manchester for London and visits an ex-girlfriend. From there he proceeds to berate and abuse nearly everyone he comes across in a haunting and hellish nocturnal odyssey into the Hades-like streets of London. Consider yourself warned, this one is almost unbearably bleak and could be considered a prophecy of the apocalypse.

For more on the subject, Will recently appeared on a podcast series dedicated to the films of Mike Leigh, from Ian Moran. Find Will's episode here:

Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/naked-with-will-menaker/id1801773021?i=1000710225808

Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/1B4pSnHIpFPCIHNrfeO9Fr 

Main feed: https://creators.spotify.com/pod/profile/devised-and-directed

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David Hughes

I once saw David Thewlis begging for change in London's West End. Grubby, dishevelled, and with a straggly beard, he was sitting in a doorway on the corner of Soho’s Old Compton Street, with his hand out. He gave me a contemptuous look as I passed by, probably because instead of giving him any money, I recognised him from Mike Leigh's Life is Sweet (1990), for which I had helped make the trailer. Wow, I thought. He's really fallen a long way down since Life is Sweet. Then I thought, if I saw him again – I passed the spot almost every day – I would stop and talk to him, find out what had happened, how such a promising young actor had ended up on the street. A year or two later, I was asked to help make a trailer for Mike Leigh's next film, Naked, and as soon as I saw that it was about Johnny, a homeless man played by David Thewlis – grubby, dishevelled, and with a straggly beard – I realised what had happened: he'd been researching. Wow, I thought. He really put his heart into that part. The film was incredible, and even though Mike Leigh wouldn't let us go with my original idea of having the trailer narrated by Johnny himself ("Nobody else writes dialogue for the characters in my films," Leigh explained), he did use my voiceover script almost word for word, albeit transposed to the third person. A few years after this, I ran into David Thewlis again, in almost exactly the same place: Old Compton Street. Appropriately enough, he was buying a copy of The Big Issue from a homeless person. I introduced myself, explaining how I had seen him on this very street, years ago, apparently begging – and that it wasn't until I saw Mike Leigh's Naked that I realised he must have been researching for the role of Johnny. He laughed. "How did it feel," I asked him, "being out on the street like that, begging?" "Actually, it wasn't too bad for me," he admitted. Then he pointed to a door on Old Compton Street. "My flat's just here."

Rosie

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Jaime Christley

“I hope I haven’t given you AIDS, Sophie”

Seymour Butz

No better time to get into Mike Leigh!

Dec

If you don’t live in a Commonwealth country/aren’t over 40 it’s certainly not a dumb blind spot

Will

Fuck are you doing walking around at night in a bad mood? Go to bed!

Will Menaker

Thewlis the acting God lol. Amazing story, thanks so much for sharing!

David Hughes

Maybe Will liked my story enough to unblock me ( x.com/Davidhughestwit ) on X 👀

Anomalie

both of these movies were quite harrowing in their own ways. We live in the hungry ghost world now, it sucks

Chas Padunski

Love Mike Leigh. I’d like to shout out “High Hopes,” which somehow didn’t come up. Extremely funny and basically about Mayor Pete avant la lettre.

John Harwood

Loved this episode so much. I actually went on a first date to “Naked” when it first came out in cinemas, and needless to say we both agreed afterward that the movie was incredible and also that the night should end there.

Sean, Sean, the Leopard Khan

*guy who mispronounced Sidney Lumet's name for two decades until last year* Damn, can't believe Hesse is mispronouncing Sidney Lumet's name.

Anthony D Cox

I first saw this on VHS when it first came out, and I was maybe 8 or 9 years old. I became convinced that the Nutella scene was just a completely bizarre nightmare I had as a kid, until I randomly saw this as an adult.

Tim O'

Movie MindShreck, coming in season 4

Warbs

I was listening to this ep and reflecting on this series (all seasons) and I just really appreciate how well done it is. I haven't seen half the movies but it's just so easy to listen to the amazing chemistry of Will and Hesse nerding out.

Connor Schoen

Actually, Farewell My Concubine and The Piano won the 1993 Palme D'Or, not Naked.

wailing ken jennings

"meantime" introduced me to leigh because im a gary oldman old man. i really felt the bleakness of thatcher from that film.

Big-Stink

that end of evangelion callout fucking sent me

Roger Peet

This movie (naked) fucked me up so much when I first saw it.

Nicholas Needham

I was thinking to myself i would be dissatisfied if there was no mention of similarities the Evangelion and Naked share, glad I wasn’t the only person who felt that way

Bert

3 hour Mike Leigh episode. They get it

Declan Kennedy

great episode, I wonder if that audience member at the premiere ever watched AbFab and did they immediately burst into flames when Bubble was introduced

Stealtreasure

Fun fact on the backrooms, the original backroom photo is from a hobby shop in Oshkosh, WI, subsequently a couple blocks from my house. It has since been turned into an RC car race track, which i think is far more interesting than empty officer space, so hopefully the afterlife is a lot like Wisconsin.

Branden Snyder

Chernobyl does mean wormwood. And also 33 is the age at which Jesus died according to Christian tradition

Susannah

Great episode. The TV films/stage plays filmed for TV that Mike Leigh made in the 70s are great, too, like Abigail's Party (also starring Alison Steadman), and my all-time favorite "Nuts In May," which you can find in full on YouTube. Highly recommend both to anyone who's Leigh-curious.

J Fitz

I remember once in college watching a movie (The Hours) that was so fake and exploitative in its cheap sentimentality straining for seriousness, that it made me want to swear off movies forever as hopelessly unserious. It was watching Naked the next day that restored my faith in movies. Despite how bleak it is, really an affirmative experience in reminding me what movies are capable of.

bill tulast

Not sure how many folks read these messages, or if MM does, but I found a very MM coded book recently and figured I'd share: Opening Wednesday at a Theater or Drive-In Near You by Charles Taylor. Each chapter is an extended review of a 70s flick, many of which I hadn't seen before. Just watched Cisco Pike because of the book and it was something else. Anyway, hopefully someone sees this and enjoys it!

Welch

That’s thewlis not spall

Jaime Christley

here's a "customers who bought this also bought this" rec: the many films (usually made for TV) of Alan Clarke. Road, Christine, Contact, Elephant, Scum, Made in Britain, The Firm, Beloved Enemy, Stars of the Roller-State Disco, Rita Sue and Bob Too, Penda's Fen, The Psy-Warriors, and more.

Will

Unburdened by past associations! 🌴🥥

Eamon Short

As an aside, I found the schedule and movie list for the season, are thr guest line ups for S3 poster anywhere?

Luna Zeidner

Gotta have high high hopes for a livin

Luna Zeidner

Just watched Nuts in May on criterion after seeing your comment. So funny. Reminds me of every Portlandia sketch about an annoying couple.

Hesse Deni

We’re def doing Alan Clarke next season

Michael S. Judge

I gotta admit, the whole sequence with Johnny and the guy who does night security at the office complex is so, so funny to me, the way "normal" people can be pressed to a certain point until the bizarre beliefs and convictions that sustain them burst out of normalcy, and then how easily those beliefs are crushed and they just die for 40 straight years

Michael S. Judge

I think it's really important, thematically, that they're not just "in London," they're in Dalston, a chunk of long-long-long-long-abandoned East London, specifically in the Borough of Hackney – that's your stereotype Jack-the-Ripper London, your squats-and-punk London, but after the massive 1980s Thatcherite Docklands Plan that "revitalized" the whole East London waterfront by sending cops and goons to kick the shit out of everyone there until the Patrick Batemans could move in, Dalston was well on the way to being another endless succession of new expensive apartments and shops, a nowhere place like NYC in AFTER HOURS or the part of AMERICAN PSYCHO where Patrick Bateman kills half a dozen people and blows up a cop car and somehow nothing happens. And the few people in this movie are the last still waiting for the exterminators

Michael S. Judge

(Yes, Angloids, I know Jack the Ripper was Whitechapel/Spitalfields, I'm just invoking the 400-year plague pit of East London that suddenly became hot property in the ’80s – like Iain Sinclair has a ladder-climbing "filmmaker" say in DOWNRIVER, 1990, "If this is the Bow Quarter, who needs the other three quarters?")

Michael S. Judge

And Hesse! The Catholicism! I can't remember if they ever mention this around Johnny, but there are a whole hell of a lot more Irish-descended Catholics oop Narth in Manchester, Leeds, all of Yorkshire, etc. Manchester is like a quarter-to-a third Catholic

Macon Leighton

I would love if you guys did a reverse movie mindset and just shit all over a couple of movies. My nominees are sorceress (from 1982) and any of the Deathstalkker movies

Kirstwb

The plumber daughter sounds and acts exactly like saffy from abfab

Tim O'

Hesse asking Will if he knows what a creepypasta is... of course he knows, Brian Yuzna talked about them in your interview with him 😁

Eamon Short

Fucking great story, I hope Will and Hesse read this, it feels like the exact thing they'd get a kick out of!

Eamon Short

Oh haha I just commented I hoped they say that story. Hope he unblocks you too. Unless you were on some wild shit. Could I ask what other trailers you've worked on? It's a cool gig. Honestly I'd be stoked to have Will talk to you about it for 20 minutes or so.

Eamon Short

Hopefully as far away from a podcast mic as possible.

Eamon Short

"Scum" is amazing, and last I checked, uploaded on YouTube for free.

Eamon Short

To help Hesse out, I haven't seen the movie, but "Purple Silk" was a brand of smokes my godmother smoked while I lived with her in England and ireland

David Hughes

He unblocked me! And if you wanna talk trailers, hit me up david@damnfine.co.uk

Chris Knutson

Just watched Life is Sweet for the first time. Such a beautiful movie. But does anyone have a read on Paula the Dogsbody’s character? I don’t think Will and Hesse talked much about her (if they did please correct me!) and I was utterly baffled by her whole deal

Ben Davies

I live on the same street as the house from Naked, and I always keep my eye on those steps in case Johnny tumbles down them.

Robert Cantrell

Brilliant discussion. Life is sweet as one of my 10 favorite movies now. I can't find naked but I will track it down.

Liam Dixon

I know! I found the whole series of scenes quite odd, not sure what I was meant to take from the whole thing. Alison Steadman insists on taking her home and she won't leave after he assaulted and demeaned her and it's just kind of glossed over. Just really stood out as odd to me and didn't seem to fit the rest of the movie.

professional loaf of bread

I thought the guy was putting the cancelled poster on the smaller posters one of which inadvertently was already pasted on the posters that man was putting up when he first met Johnny. Anyway tho it goes to show that time is just constantly cycling im just caught up on that detail

Max Fennig

The waitress is Persephone, the only mortal who’s supposed to be there Sophie’s takes the S when she leaves because it’s representative of a spirit clinging to their old name, so as not to forget they were alive The sunrise at the end is the proverbial light at the end of the tunnel. Johnny has finally crossed over

Harvey

This was a real good conversation; Mike Leigh is the best of us