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940 - The Sobbing Elf (6/5/25) (Patreon)

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2025-06-06 05:34:53
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2026-06

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We look at the still-breaking messy breakup between Trump & Elon Musk, discuss Musk’s political future and just how much Trump can make him hurt if he wants. We also catch up on last night’s debate for the NYC mayoral race, Zohran’s momentum, and the challenges posed by the position of big city mayor. And for this week’s reading series, we’ve got the long New Yorker profile on Curtis Yarvin: a “dark elf” intellectual titan of the right, or a know-it-all child giggling at naughty words on his phone?

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natalie b.

Raise hell do it for Dale

JD Nonce

You’re laughing? My gay dads are fighting and burning each others clothes on the front lawn and you’re laughing?

Jeremy

As soon as I saw no guest my eyes perked. Folks, we got a Matt episode. Rejoice.

Christopher Mesler

Welp, bout to find out exactly how late in the day this was recorded

Pay

Thought that pic was Adam friedland

Jessica Rios

My first thought too. lol. The news is so crazy that a same day podcast about a story could be “old news” depending on what time it was recorded. 😂

Evan

Lets Slop it up.

Mac daddy

Been waiting for this Trump musk breakup for like a full year now. I'm SIPPIN on this tea.

Kody Dennis

Dark Elf intellectuals always saying “Dagoth Ur wasn’t actually that bad”

That Guy

A subtle, petty, totally deniable move is removing the Starlink satellites from the laser deconfliction list. So when they're testing the golden dome and they double check that they won't hit the ISS if they miss the test drone, they'll still get a clear to fire if it would take out a starlink

Kollie123

So what’s the verdict on what time it was recorded?

NYCM&AHole

The dark elf was a 3 megapixel camera by canon

Quaritch

Yarvins’ ideology utopia is just making Liquid Ocelots plan from Metal Gear Solid 4 real. By having one guy control all the weapons in the world.

Andrew Cross

Felix begins talking about fighter jets at 6:13 (Lockheed Martin F-22 Raptor)

plainwrap

I'm picturing Stephen Miller sending out ICE to round up Elon Musk's mail-order children like the goldcloaks in Game of Thrones slaughtering Robert Baratheon's bastards.

m@tt

He must’ve been distracted

Zach Pierce

Folks please watch the Valuetainment guys try to intellect themselves through Kash Patel and Bingobongo their way through not releasing any Epstein information. It’s great to watch right wing fucksticks deal with reality. The dream is over, it seems.

Jessica

Matt sounds great ❤️

Zach Pierce

Raise hell and praise Dale?

Graeme Mochrie

I'm quite surprised Felix didn't immediately wonder if Yarvin stole the cryptographic guns idea wholesale from Metal Gear Solid 4. He must be under the weather

Agent Grange

The arc of history is long but I believe it bends towards Tesla going into exile moving all production to Hyperabad before insisting that America is compromised and India is the last safe country in the world for white South Afrikaners. Edit: NOOO CHRIS DO YOU KNOW WHAT THAT NORM SOUNDBITE IS FROM???

DD

59:05 "he expected them to come to his house and say 'how dare you think these dangerous things?!'" That was unironically most of the lib coverage of him for the past 6 months. They genuinely wanted to believe that this bozo was some kind of scary genius with powerful ideas, because the alternative was admitting that they lost the election to a bunch of morons.

Michael Kelly

I'm surprised Felix didn't immediately mention it.

Michael S. Judge

between the Epstein cop-out and the shit with Stephen Miller's wife, I'm guessing Elon attempted to fuck/otherwise inseminate Ivanka and/or Melania

drewb

Curtis Yarvin is effectively famous for having a Livejournal

Jonathan Nathan

I know we’re not supposed to enjoy it when right wing shit happens to right wing people, but man the idea of Trump sending Elon to El Salvador is such a nice thought

Jonathan Nathan

Come on man they’re never actually building that golden dome shit

Eli S

Yayyyyyy Matt is here

Noland Hair Cave Spelunker

He reminds me of the new big thing in the field of annoying coworkers: the proud and newly-diagnosed autist whose self infantilisation must be accommodated and taken seriously right up to the point they decide they can turn into smol beans.

chronye

LMMAO mercedes joke

Jabroni Ludd

“Have you tried ‘talk normal?’”

Quadabyte

We need this elf-man to team up with The Golden One to fight the Adam "Ork Cop" Parkhomenko for a fascist version of Lord of the rings. Sorry, more fascist.

Ted Lavender

Missed will’s intro so I was delighted when suddenly Matt kicked in at 15 minutes. Welcome back sir!

Shiv

when will annoying computer guy read a new book

Robert

Gutted about Jordan Breen. Genuine RIP

Hardcore Virgin

I say it every time Bc it is true Matt keeps getting better I still want that documentary about how you’re reclaiming your brain. Keep it up

Bellhuey

In Finland we have a word that came to my mind when i read the Yarvin profile: ”Lukionihilisti”. The translation is ”High School Nihilist”. It is A deragotary term for a edgelord who thinks they are great thinkers.

Maciek

This motorcycle photo is so good, it tells you so much about this bitch.

Maciek

Pro tip: buy a real motorcycle jacket so you don’t look like an asshole trying to pass of your ability to ride bicycles as your commitment and ability to one day to buy that hog you’ve dreamt about.

Doug Cartel

Elon telling everyone that tump was in the Epstein files feels exactly like a repeat of when he told Matt taibbi about all the secret squirrel shit Twitter was doing Just telling us shit we already knew

Glenn Youngkin Did Nine Eleven

Ah yes, the Amish and Orthodox Jews, famously crime-free groups of people that don’t use their alienation from society to help do crime.

Osborne MOCs

Uncs in the street screaming "new ideology"

drewb

Curtis Yarvin is political Garth Marenghi

ploob

He is sooo hot

GriftOfTheMagi

It describes everything about the “new right” to a T

Here, Try This

It’s amazing the number of different and idiotic ways in which tech dipshits have misread the same text

Doug Cartel

The Johnny cash song about stealing car parts to make your own car but it's Curtis making an ideology in his garage

Doug Cartel

Extremely funny to never read a single word about the govt/corporate war on black folk during the 60s and 70s and then go 'these blacks live in ghettoes because of genes!!'

Doug Cartel

Started crying when I thought about Mike Tyson biting all my hypothetical white kids' ears off

Dang

Yeah he's a necessary part of the balance

K H

In the debate Blake did pretty well. He said both sides need to release their hostages, which was terrific.

Derek Fradenburgh

Re: Curtis Yarvin The only logical conclusion here is that Bothered About Dungeons and Dragons was absolutely correct in their assessment of the dangers of tabletop role-playing games (see: Mazes and Monsters)

Bellhuey

Absolutely. Unfortunately they are a dime in a dozen in western hemisphere.

K H

One must imagine Sisyphus getting pussy.

K H

Commit to the true peril of being a full motard. He'd be way more influential if he posted Ghostrider like blitzes through traffic, except instead of music it was some screed about race politics or whatever he typically cries about.

K H

Each morning 10 vape hits. 1 La Croix(Lime). Afternoon same plus 2 more hits. Evening zyn. Each day incrementing higher. Entire time, left ear Saturday Night Live at 4x speed in Mandarin Chinese. Right ear Blood Meridian.

brendo

Interesting the candidates won't commit to visiting Baku even though it's the headquarters of Azerbaijan Technology and they can get the keys to Agartha there Also if Yarvin's thing is a reference to the Elder Scrolls universe, shouldn't he be a fan of the High Elves and the Thalmor?

Demented Avenger

Dang, I need to get Anat Shenker-Osorio's head onto Fannie Flagg's body (1970s Fannie and ASO look vaguely alike, far closer than Bret Somers) and have "not enough full-belly aching" on one of those blue cards.

Do Golems Dream of Ceramic Sheep

Pushing that boulder up that hill seems a comparable workout to the big wheel at the beginning of Conan the Barbarian. You gotta figure that Sisyphus is pretty jacked after 2500 years of that..

emalco

Very on-brand for Yarvin to recommend The Lives of Others, which was written & directed by a German-Austrian aristocrat. In 2007, William F. Buckley Jr. saw it upon the recommendation of an English knight and said it was the best movie he had ever seen.

Tim O'

It does seem appropriate that our current right-wing public intellectuals are just crying all the time

J Allen

Curtis Yarvin feels like, when I was like 18 I realized I hated family guy, but it kept going on, and its only gotten worse since and its still going on. The dude was boring in 2014 and all his influence has only made him less interesting

Ben

💯

K H

All my homies goin allegorical mode. We doin boulder pushing. Stone throwing. Laying catatonic in a cave remarking on shadows type shi

Do Golems Dream of Ceramic Sheep

I've met the sort of person that Yarvin appeals to. It took longer than it should have but l stopped hanging around that sort on "they're just sort of boring and off-putting" grounds before it turned into "they're just sort of boring and off-putting, and also they're fascists" grounds.

C. Andrew

Matt sounds better than ever.

Horse Badorties

Translation: there is a tired blood problem

Horse Badorties

He does ride, or did. Like me, he got too fat for his real jacket.

Will

Curtis Yarvin is a grown man in his 50’s who has literally never done anything - since childhood - except be in internet chatrooms. He has no experience with society. Ever see the movie ‘Nell’? THAT’S Curtis Yarvin.

Hemlock

Quality lore Buckley was also CIA

K H

The dark elves aren't evil in that ip though. At least not more so than high elves. Honestly Elder Scrolls lore is actually fun and cool. He wouldn't like it.

K H

No, it's because they aren't Amish.

K H

Is he just Kojima wojak?

DD

Sir, this is a Wendy's

YungCereza

Full Belly Acting means behaving like John Goodman's character in O Brother Where Art Thou. Robes optional

YungCereza

Sorry to double-comment but Yarvin saying "Prove to me that you're not an NPC. Debate race science with me" fucking killed me

Ian H. B.

Good lord this Yarvin dude might be my new favorite guy. Truly a world class idiot

Do Golems Dream of Ceramic Sheep

I think at this point, calling people "NPCs" is the most glitching-out-chatbot (i.e. NPC) way of talking in contemporary parlance.

T

Everything about Curtis Yarvin (his name, his pen name, his opinions, his resumé, his personality, his face, his body, his clothes, his hairstyle, his hair itself) = "disgusting nerd"

Rob McInerny

It's awesome when guys who literally cannot interact socially with other people also moonlight as social theorists

Jonathan G

Who has a problem with Matt?

Erik Amundsen

He's in a committed relationship with Bouldy.

Jack

The Yarvin article sounds like a Tim Robinson sketch

MCL

The original crying ork at least burnt down a real cathedral before moving into his car and playing math ass dnd

Rob McInerny

Also: he was hardly even fat. All the before-pics are underwhelming. Very sad. Not monarch material.

Throw Away

Curtis Yarvin exposed for cumming in 30 seconds on the regular

Kinetics Video

I was stunned with how enduring Family Guy's persistence in pop culture with stuff like The Simpsons or Futurama in the same market. That was until I realized that general culture has just degraded so much it is now well above the bar.

Simon Maraya

This Yarvin "documentary" sounds like Man Bites Dog

Kinetics Video

I believe the rough American equivalent is "he talks like a fag and his shit's all retarded"

Kinetics Video

Might get a stately pleasure dome out of it

Matthew

Episode 938 -> Inferno Episode 939 -> Purgatorio Episode 940 -> Paradiso 🙏🙏🙏

Matt

Damn, Moline, IL getting a chapo shout out...

Michael

Elon Musk was season one Junior Soprano to Donald Trump’s Tony Soprano. He was there to take the hits and now he has.

Raymond Mullings

Why is there a picture of Adam Driver's afterbirth wearing a leather jacket?

Laura

I just want them to leave LotR alone. Or possibly read the books in the first place because none of them seem to have actually done that. But mostly I just want them to fixate on something else.

JDF

Instaclassic — a real late period CTH heater 🔥🔥🔥 you love to hear it from the boys, folks

Throw Away

Were there baddies at welcomefest

Max

No, we love Adam, stop being such a nerd.

fried egg

i once sold curtis yarvin a macro bowl, where’s my retweet

Tyler Hanel

My father was a high school math teacher and when I was a confused 16 year old nerd he told me “the jocks and normie kids in my remedial classes are much better people than all the really smart ones in my high-level classes” being a teen who felt picked on by the normal people at the time I didn’t believe him, and though he was even betraying his ‘own kind’ (he is a math nerd too!) but it only took until my mid 20s for me to realize how right he was. Every time this Yarvin article comes around (feels like the same one has been written a million times), I am reminded how right he was.

Ennui

Curtis Yarvin strikes me as a deeply silly and unserious man

Fred Mason

I got curious, so I looked up the dead wife and see that he had them put in her obituary that she was "supportive at all times of her husband's genius and ambition."

Dongo

tila tequila mentioned!

Chapo Bath House

My former MP is pretty good on Palestine, but it leaked that he had accepted an all expenses tour of Israel from the lobby several years ago. I like to think that he was so disappointed in the food it made him an anti Zionist

David Browm

The Cold War with Lemuria has gone on for far too long. The Grays aren't going to like it, but as mayor of New York, I'm going to try from gosh darn diplomacy for once.

bobbyboy32059

Yarvin sounds like if they gave Spengler worse asthma.

protob1

What about...gifted kid, south Slav genocidal ethno-nationalism. Hmm? Now there's a good one

12345

We need to Kurtis Yarvin biochip technology but for leather jackets. Just a button that blows up every leather jacket.

Chapo Bath House

The Catturd-Alex Jones spat sees my two favourite performance artists pitted against each other. I've got no choice but to root for Mr Turd, the true auteur

Damen Irving

Man. I feel like I’m becoming conservative bc I’ve never thought less of elite academic institutions. How tf do you take your school seriously when its scions are so frequently this evil and stupid?

MCL

Quad City DJs represent

Cardboard

The Kurtis Yarvin talking about the biometric keys to turn off all the military's guns is a copy of the Patriot AI system from MGS4. A PS4 game a weeb like him has definitely played

Matt

Are you guys going to interview Adam curtis for his new series?

Ellen Harold

Sometimes I think that the only books most Americans have read are Lord of the Rings and Harry Potter. Or i guess they really are the first books most Americans now read and for many the last.

SparkSolidarity

Matt mentioning Grimace made me legit cry tears of joy. Our boy is so back.

Eamon Short

Bump. Would very much like that. In terms of multi-appearance Chapo guests I've wanted them to have back lately I've been really hoping for Curtis and Prof. Wolff.

wet_poptart

Curtis Yarvin looks like dark Fred Armisen

Chapo Bath House

I still think about president Grimace so often

drewb

I'm barely joking when I say we need a "social" equivalent of remedial education. I know for a fact I could have benefited from something like that growing up, and maybe Curtis could have too.

Alexander Fuchs

Christoph Hein, the GDR writer that The Lives of Others was inspired by, later said that the movie was a fantasy version of what the GDR was and had his name removed from the credits of the film, even complaining that younger people who saw the movie now try to tell him that his image of the GDR is too friendly and suggesting he should watch The Lives of Others to get how bad it was ... effective movie sure but not very accurate

Gideon Weinerth

The fact that our "public intellectual" is not just a racist fascist crybaby fail-nerd, but believes that a secret cabal of airline pilots should run things is very telling.

Adam Foster

I lived in Brunei for three years as a kid, does that mean I could get preferential treatment for the next Q&A?

Ghordo

Andrew Cuomo is like a real life evil Moe from the Simpsons.

Savannakhet

Did your parents work for Shell?

Walpurgisnacht

that... that is not what a dark elf is. god i hate right wing people who cant even be bothered to read the fucking materials they build their whole ideology on. in Tolkein's world, "dark" elves are the ones who decided not to follow (or never heard) the call of the valar (archangels/lesser gods) to live in valinor (kind of like heaven but also kind of like israel). they are "dark" because they werent "enlightened" by the presence of the valar and the Two Trees that were the only sources of light brighter than fire or the stars. Unsurprisingly, the "dark" elves think the valinorean elves are a bunch of stuck up, colonizing bastards, and object strongly to the label. Basically, the "Dark Elves" that this Yarvin guy is thinking of are from post-tolkein writers trying to do "elves, but evil" but not realizing that like, fully half of the named "light" elf characters in tolkein are mass murderers. Theres also the unseelie fay and the "dark elves" of the nordic cultures but frankly, theyre about as related to the pop culture understanding of dark elves as fuckin Tinkerbell.

Riley Stratton

“put the church blacks in charge of the ghetto blacks” go off curty

Riley Stratton

lol portlandia character pretty much

Brian Pierson

Curtis Yarvin is just Fash Fonzie similar to Nick Gillespie who is Freedom Fonzie. These dudes love leather jackets…

Jake Zydek

Cool Adam is back?!!

dog on the roof

"was that good? was that good?" dude did the end of Mr America

Lilbean

Gotta make the guy from the rehearsal who got banned from every dating app head of the council of airline pilots

Magnumweight

That tribute from Felix, honestly kinda beautiful

Joe Bilotta

Thank you for taking the time to acknowledge the life of Jordan Breen at the end. As a very casual MMA fan, I definitely would not have found the sport without the space he created. Condolences.

Polinkazh (edited)

Comment edits

2026-09-09 10:00 Long time listener and big fan of the show, but your glazing of Zohran is shameful and a plain exercise in menshevism
2025-06-07 20:16

Blair Rancich

I did, dick. Good lore refresher.

nick

Sadly it sounds like Matt’s recovery has taken a step back. He sounds way worse than he has in recent appearances. Maybe just a bad day? Hope he keeps getting stronger.

Special Adeline

Recovery isn't a straight line, but the fact he's able to be on the show, something he didn't do for the first year or so of his recovery, puts him significantly beyond where he started i think

nick

Oh for sure. Recovery is a trend, not a line. A friend of mine had a stroke in early 2020 and he’s still recovering. He’ll never be a healthy 39 year old but he’s on his way to being a healthy 60 year old with a 39 year old body. It’s tough.

Chris Ryan

Having looked into what had been happening to or with Jordan, as I had been unaware, I felt an extremely keen pang of commonality with him, as it was almost 2 years ago at this point, but I too was truly alone, hiding in shame, and seemingly devoid of executive function. Any day off work from 2020-2023 usually meant waking up early to walk the dog and then waiting outside the liquor store until it opened, with people who were much further gone and less privileged than I was. I cannot help but feel lucky to be staying more on the other side of being unemployably drunk, and mostly free of anything else that isn’t the occasional joint. All of this horrific damage to my body and soul and formerly cordial relations with people cannot be undone, but there is a still a part of me that is glad I may have one last chance to make a mark, though of course it could never be as indelible as the one that Jordan made on so very many people.

SoConfused

lmao pls tell me this is bait?

Matty C

“Why aren’t the podcasters who talk about movies and video games not taking Gracie Manor by force?”

Austin Miller

The 500 lb Batman guy is Chairbreaker who I used to run in the same intellectual circles in lol

Madeleine

Idk why felix keeps choosing Azerbaijan as a crazy place for people to visit because all of these people literally do! No public fealty swearing but close enough

MATT TRIANO

Smart kids need social skills that facts & figures don't convey

MATT TRIANO

Which is hysterical because if they are actually antisemitic then going to the camp would be a monument to the time they Almost Did It

MATT TRIANO

He doesn't but that's nice

Those Who Say Fentnall Do Not Read

Only Greta Thunberg and Amnesty International are truly antisemitic. The celebrities who make bad tweets are just misguided.

Mark Schneider

You boys inspired me to look up Yarvin on Google Images-- he looks like Michel Houellebecq after face surgery and with hair implants. Houllebecq is at least entertaining, Curtis is a whiny li'l bitch.

Andrew Tennenbaum

Haven’t tuned in for a few months, but Matt’s sounding a lot better IMO. 26:44 is starting to sound like his old self again

Alex Weber

Matt sounds fucking incredible. He’s the man

Joseph Hooker

It would be understatement to say Chapo are not doctrinaire socialists, and they've made that clear for years imo. Zohran is running on the Democrat ticket which makes him extremely ripe for critique but let's not pretend Marxists have a robust power structure built right now. If he starts to really suck, tear him a new one. As it is, he's the only candidate not fellating the terrible Israeli war criminals, and that counts for a huge amount with me.

Michael Xin

All the internet addicted man-children of the 90s and 00s are coming to age with the most embarrassing kinds of political ideologies. Yarvin is the same type of loser as the Zizians, except he was on /pol/ Instead of Tumblr. I look forward to the day when we see a 9gag-influenced specimen

Christopher

The embarrassing thing is Yarvin’s model for politics isn’t even Lord of the Rings, it’s Warhammer Fantasy. He doesn’t even live up to that though, the dark elves fucked the God of drugs and BDSM into existence. Gonna take more than a leather jacket and a white shirt to pull that off.

Isaac

They used a really unflattering photo of Adam for the thumbnail

Logan Ausherman

Guys I don't care how good intentioned Zohran is , if he gets elected, his gesturing towards the left is going to end. You guys can give democrats critical support when they're running for office but acting like this guy is going to be substantially different from any other democrat is a pipe dream. You all constantly talk about how much you hate the democratic party but it doesn't really seem like it. If you really hated the Democrats and wanted to see the party done away with, you wouldn't be giving democratic politicians all of this positive coverage and you wouldn't constantly talking about what the party could do to be popular, you would be advocating for. If you really hated the democrats you would be advocating for movements trying to build a working class party, not a capitalist 3rd party but an actual working class party.

DT

Went on birthright to Valinor, got dome from a Falmari baddie under the pier at Alqualondë.

Ennui

tl;dr

Ennui

maybe the boomers were right for once and the computer really was a mistake

Devon

Or they recognize that a 3rd party is the pipe dream, and a more realistic path is getting democratic socialists elected… naw, that can’t be right, they must be in the tank for the DNC…. 🤡

Bigriff

Need a Felix take on the AH-1Z Viper helicopter being launched in LA

Logan Ausherman

In what way are these so called democratic socialists that are members of the democratic party different from any other opportunistic careerist in the democratic party?

Ed Kurz

@JoyceCarolOates: over-all takeaway from the Curtis Yarvin profile is that there must be millions of smart-aleck show-offy kids who annoy their teachers & go on to annoy other adults through their lives with their "contrarian" pose that hardens to a carapace over their faces; until, as adults, they still harbor a delusion that, if there is a king, or a fűhrer, he'd be impressed with the guy's motor mouth & appoint him to his cabinet rather than deleting him with a negligent swipe of his wrist as Stalin did routinely.

Chris

we live in the USA, the country that defeated the revolution - you actually DO need to set your sights way the fuck lower. It's NYC, a socialist could win, go support him or don't. But don't throw shade at a decent guy in an election he can actually win, you're griefing

Aodhán Devlin

Felix's mic has sounded like complete shit for months

Colton Durbin

Curtis Yarvin kinda looks like Dark Adam Friedland.

Jake R

This Yarvin guy is so embarrassing

Paul Nakis

Curtis Yarvin interviews are always so cringe. It doesn’t help the interviewer also asks something stupid like “are you racist” but his responses are always borderline insane and explains perfectly why Musk and Grimed were such big fans of his. “Well as a real life Bene Gesserit I can tell you that the fact you think racism exists proves monarchies are the only viable form of government.”