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1060 - What Is To Be Dumb (8/6/26) (Patreon)

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2026-08-07 03:47:57
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Felix is back from vacation and Abdul el-Sayed has won the Michigan Primary. We talk about the left’s upcoming elections in Michigan and Wisconsin, the specter of “Woke 1” haunting the Democratic party, and a creative new weapon that might just unite America. We also round up some cultural news with Meek Mill’s crossover with Josh Shapiro and the continuing legal and financial woes of Boosie Badazz.

Chapo & Friends Live at New York’s Society for Ethical Culture on Friday November 6th.

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Ant koz

Love you!!

Geoff Daniels

Many don’t know there’s a b in dumb

NarsilsBane

I'll be voting for Francesca Hong in the primary & on election day

MelloC

Lyn Corbray on the thumbnail, I can’t wait for an insane amount of asoiaf references from Felix

dfumps

I'd prefer to start my own party where only those who have one-to-one the same beliefs as me are welcome

Bryan Jennings

I see Ser Lyn Corbray drawing Lady Forlorn as the episode art and I cannot help but be excited.

Foresmewithsqualor

Not listened to the episode yet assuming now that Felix mentions Gerold Dayne at one point in addition to Lyn Corbray

Pantato

Saw the title and figured you all decided to have Ettergermentum back on

A Kayyy (edited)

Comment edits

2026-09-05 20:00 Felix'd absence made me realize how little he actually brings to the table, especially without Matt to yell at him...bring back Katherine
2026-08-07 03:54 Felix's absence made me realize how little he actually brings to the table, especially without Matt to yell at him...bring back Katherine

Felix's absence made me realize how little he actually brings to the table, especially without Matt to yell at him...bring back Katherine

JenXer

Glad you’re back Felix.

B

I’m loving Felix confused by the transgender identity speculation and responding with dozens of hours of podcasting on FromSoft games.

Andrew Cross

he better talk about lady forlorn, the ancestral valyrian steel weapon of house corbray

JD Nonce

Why all the A Song of Ice and Fire references recently? Did Felix finally read the books or just reread the Wikipedia pages?

Swaggypeepaw

Amber is lady stoneheart confirmed

Declan Kennedy

the Hong kerfuffle this week was very weird to me as an Australian, like our politics around indigenous peoples are pretty awful but there's a fairly large movement around changing the date of Australia Day to make it more inclusive which obviously is a contentious issue but people don't immediately assume you're a goof if you support it bigger issue to me was how she handled the line of questioning, Abdul gave a bloody masterclass in how to respond to Kaitlin Collins gotchas after his win... tears in my eyes, lads

Ranni

My guess is research for the Elden Ring episode

gumb0

FINALLY, SOME GOOD SHIT 😤😤😤

gumb0

Felix X Hesse, oh my god

Michael

21:43 Now he wants the money back. Sorry Boosie, Suge Knight is not up for parole until 2034.

JDF

chudrucker speaks

Noah

Posers!

Noah

What timestamp does Felix start talking about W. Mass and Barry Lyndon at, huh?

Noah

Is it, though?

AshLV

Abolition is an end goal.

Bob Chappell

Glad someone supports my anti-farmer/rancher platform

shmork

Chapo CLAIMS they’re building the weather bomb, but my uncle told me at thanksgiving that felix already controls the weather?!? Curious…..

JenXer

Ford - fix or repair daily

Syndrome of a Downs

Felix starts speaking at -0:01, like a secret song on a CD 💿

A RHINO

its true. Most Americans cant picture a world with universal healthcare. Let alone no prisons or police..... not a strategic positive on the national stage. That DSA lady that went on Fox really fucked that, likely not on purpose, but nonetheless we will all pay for that.

ethan brown

i would love to see a compilation of felix's asoiaf references

Anthrope Salmagundi

I was the 69th like. That makes me feel more special than being first so I win.

Gavin Matthews

Bol is Philly slang for a young man by the way @felix @will

ploob

Man they stopped making derelict gas stations in this country.

Travis

Felix begins speaking at 44 seconds

Agent Grange

Will your house sigil is obviously the black vulture.

Craig

Francesca Hong is spiritually NDP

Slik Smoothie

Will and Felix proving they not hip to the Philly lingo

The Other Lauren

um, i thought we still had to say we want to abolish police and prisons and stuff. people still yell at me about it all the time on the internet

The Other Lauren

we should do community justice by sentencing the offender to be the victim's butler

The Other Lauren

we've been kinda going towards this climate around here where the only people for whom it's socially acceptable to become cops is fascist meatheads so that's who become cops so they can own the libs

Antichris

You're right felix. My politics are also the lyrics of i want to conquer the world by bad religion

The Other Lauren

everyone keeps talking about rural right-wing chuds and then i go outside in seattle and 50% of cars are teslas and i see 5 cybertrucks per day and every elected official is some kind of zionist

Antichris

Eh california is the same way. Stupids are the biggest demographic everywhere

Harry Evans

Sorry for mixing HBO show comparisons, but the Boosie lawsuit is like if Stringer Bell sued Clay Davis for not getting him federal accreditation as a contractor as agreed

Borice 19

a carrion is something that eventually doesn't move

Brent

When my car was stolen, I found it before the cops could. My son stole my car.

Lynn Waldon

Wonder of Felix went to the "SMOTHSONIAN OF DINOSAUR MUSEUMS" as my old friend from there called it. I want to go so bad...

Pete

Ballistic Ms. Aisles

k v

John Wilson Chunks 2 rumour commence

bean dlunt

there's an article called 'The Civil War in France' that some german expat journalist wrote a while back, could be of interest if you're having trouble imagining how non-police law enforcement might work

Sam

Did yall see the Trump-backed congressional candidate in Michigan named Amir Hasan who lost to a guy who dropped out of the race a month ago, and the Republican strategists there were like “yeah even a Trump endorsement can’t counter our base’s reflexive racism”

Nick

The worlds about to see how weird MI GOP is

InformedNonVoter

Felix’s job now is just to parrot election boy wonder Ettergementum, so awesome man let’s go!

Natalie

As a Michigander I am excited to hear #StickItToEm

Natalie

Was that from Abdul on CNN?

Rhys Hayes

Man, this comment is up there with Hemingway's 'Baby Shoes'.

kron

It’s sad because the guys’ description of police and prison abolition as a long term moral horizon and the need for radical reform is actually the D.S.A. platform, the organization just stupidly took these electorally poisonous academic terms and made them part of the platform, and the knee jerk reaction to police and prison abolition is just inescapable. If you said abolish insane asylums in 1930 people would react the same way, but insane asylums don’t exist anymore, but it’s not like you see the mentally ill running around everywh- oh wait. Shit.

Isaac

I want a two hour pod of Felix trying to talk to Jacques about literally any topic

Isaac

Insane take. He’s the only one that consistently makes me laugh out loud. But sure, Kath on third mic.

Mungo Franczak

I swear, if Americans knew more about authoritarian socialism we would have the United Socialist States of America

Isaac

It’s * Ettingermentum*. L take, fake fan, opinion discarded.

Ian

Just another podcast where two Americans talk about how much they love food and the police.

Over Max

Felix has it backwards! Rural Alberta didn’t discover electricity 10 years ago; we FORGOT how to use electricity 10 years ago.

A Kayyy

ok dude... I'm sorry he makes you laugh so much

Proboscis Man

It may interest Felix to know that there used to be a species of seal endemic to the Gulf of Mexico and Caribbean Sea called the Caribbean Monk Seal. They were driven to extinction in the 1950s which is why I think Florida and the other Gulf states deserve the weather bomb first for anti-pinniped crimes.

Nick Kopriva

Chapo pls come to Alberta and suppress Wexit

Jack

👀

Patrick Blodgett

When my car was stolen the cop laughed in my face when I asked if he thought I’d get it back. Plus even if they got it back (they won’t) it would be evidence and you wouldn’t get it back for so long that you’d simply need to buy a new vehicle.

Joe Quigley

Honestly surprised they didn't mention Obama namedropping Adam Friedland. Maybe next ep

Glenn Youngkin Did Nine Eleven

Surprised they didn’t mention that like five republican operatives were saying that lots of republicans voted for Stevens because of Michigan’s electoral laws.

2Cats🐈🐈‍⬛

Shocked that Will’s sigil is not some variant of domestic cat

ST Promotion

"I DID SHIT WITH KAMAAAALAAAA.... LIL NEPHEW, I'M ON FYAH" - Josh Shapiro, probably

Drew McGill

Man, the prison and police section was TERRIBLE. For the love of God, have Alex Vitale and Alec Karakatsanis on the cast and take the issue seriously. I was surprised/disturbed at the reactionary takes on this subject today. Piker blows on this issue too.

Matt

Love this episode but I can you guys discuss the Max Miller situation? It's so wild.

Daniel

saw this thumbnail and decided it was time to unsub, sad day but is what it is

John Harwood

Where else to drop TemperatureBombTM? I nominate the whole of Switzerland, Saudi, Qatar, and fucking Monaco. Make your nominations below, please.

swervegriffin

Did not know you guys were pro cop

Skitzaf Raynik

I feel like the Nancy Guthrie thing is obviously just the sheriffs right? Our suspect is a guy with basic counter-surveillance training, some kind of info he probably shouldn’t have, who has enough skill to pull off a kidnapping, but stupid enough to kidnap an old lady and not even toss her meds in a bag. Check the shins of the guy who said that blood stain is just a nosebleed.

FusEldar

Jesus the section on the police stuff was really bad.

Skitzaf Raynik

“All the weapons that I fantasize about… they’re not evil.” Imagining how Kojima would handle this scene.

Millhouse

In Detroit, ready to build the munitions, let’s go.

Keith

There are some fairly simple things that could be done to fix police, but we don't do anything because we are afraid of pissing off our current police force.

Alejandro

His last name is not Sa'īd which means happy its El Sayed (Like "Say id" ) and if you wanna go for bonus points, nobody is named "Abdul" his name is Abdur-Rahman

A.M. Wreckloose

Yeah honestly its sometimes infuriating how little these two seem know about basic left wing ideas. It's not that hard to say "we want to target the root causes of crime and reduce it, instead of focusing all our resources on dealing with it after the fact.".

A.M. Wreckloose

These guys are high on their own supply. I hate it when people say "read more" but jfc guys get it together

Mojo55

Felix please ask Andy Burnham for a go on the weather machine

Swimaroo

Has Felix been watching Moonman????

Rayven Thadeus

Will's house sigil is the Black Vulture 😏😌

Ted Lavender

Not where I live. Come visit, we could use the tourism bucks.

Joe

The sigil of House Menaker needs to be three vultures holding a barn

John Blackwell

The temperature bomb for Florida is perfect because we can just thaw all the wildlife out after

Graham Hildebrandt

I am Albertan, I concur with Felix on all things relating to Camada and Alberta, that is exactly what it is like here

Eli Burnes

It feels good to fall into an asoiaf obsession at the exact same time as Felix

Natalie

Umichvoter (I don't think he lives in Michigan anymore in the first place) is someone I hate when he disagrees with me but he was Growing On Me with his Abdul posts lol

Don Diva Quixote

Far too anti Hong. She's a great canidate. Wisconsin deserves nice things goddammit Can you not try to hamstring the only pro trans and anti data center canidate running please

Big Problem

Absolutely absurd to pretend that Felix’s house sigil wouldn’t just be the fox from the FOXHOUND logo with a vape in its mouth instead of a knife

etienne

Alberta politics is going to be like Québec where a basically completely ignorable 25-30% minority wants independence but it is the single most dominant factor in everyone's electoral equation and makes it totally impossible to build a left wing coalition because someone is always going to accuse you of being too independentist or too federalist

James Oakes

If your slogan requires a whole follow up paragraphs worth of explanation so people can understand it then maybe it's just a bad slogan.

Karl Childers

flip it so black people get 5/3rds of a vote

I.P. Freely

License to trick-or-treat 💀

Tyler

Got my car stolen, cops gave the car multiple tickets for being abandoned before towing it, waiting a week, and then calling with $1500 in fees lmao

I.P. Freely

I think boomers is a better out group than hicks

Kenny G

I hear Iran has been shipping massive amounts of missiles directly to US bases. This allows for expedited travel time and I believe avoids tariffs

Isaac

I hope you overcome whatever is making you such a joyless stick in the mud

Isaac

Bluesky

Biglacheese

President chapo, please temperature bomb my state

William Nicholson

I think i had a lot of the eyerolling abolish police/abolish prisons viewpoints in 2020 but i really dnt feel the need to rationalize or defend it bc its not like anything came close to happening as a result of those being topical things to say at the time

Shane-A112

real. like did we fundamental misunderstand and treat the disabled cruley? yes. do we need the state to intervene and provide a safe place for the profoundly disabled? also yes.

tyler

maybe we shouldn’t orient our politics around how pithy our slogans are

Amer Naik

Wild level of lore knowledge

Gino

felix gonna genocide millions w crop failure 🤣

JDF

Cool to post on the subscriber chat tho

drewb

"venile"

Erik

I suspected the prison abolition crowd would be butthurt in the comments about the boys pointing out the obvious of how hard a sell it is STRATEGICALLY to voters (not to mention canceling Thanksgiving). *Sigh

James Oakes

The ettingermentum effect

LivingP

Disappointing how much more they criticize Hong than they ever criticized Blackwater Platner

Midbest Princess

On one hand I love the “take away rural broadband” bit, but on the other hand if you want leftism to have any chance in most midwestern states, you need the rural areas. Abdul would have struggled to win in Michigan without all the rural support (although this primary map was super weird… strange to have the UP and Ann Arbor team up against Detroit)

Whistle Dog

What is the correct position on prison and police abolition, according to you?

Rory Gill

The temperature bomb exists...in Alberta! Check out Chinooks. Also check out Alberta's last election results and become even more convinced that re-education for all rubes is job number one.

Jim

Critical support for: -no voting or property ownership when <18 years from avg (working class?) life expectancy. -no-backsies / Ivan the terrible policy (to Cascadia or the Great Lakes / NE / moral equivalent to the climate bomb) for especially monied white people in the dirty south &/or anyone in Texas or Orange County oil and agribusiness when it becomes infeasible to live there in the coming water and climate wars. -all eugenics being applied to suburban mutants like JD Vance, Stephen miller & Fuentes / Shapiro and any of those? The mort Sahl quote about conservative kids applies? -anyone that has time for lawn care / is a suburban hitlerite (as the Leavitt quote about post war suburban leavittown home owners being unable to be communists because they have ‘so much to do’) clearly has too much time and money needs to be thrown in the gulag & brutally whipped toward actually productive labor/ projects instead of mowing lawns, hating their neighbors & ruining the planet. I know this is infeasible at this time, so don’t put much energy into revenge fantasies about DJT individually etc or prison abolition, but might live to see it (even if I’m old /people my age don’t get to live in the promised land) and a massive-up-skilling in these troubled times of the illiterate, belligerent and incurious as we continue to hollow out the copper wiring and scramble over the remaining crumbs?

Whistle Dog

Most people are too busy working to do homework for extra credit so actually slogans that don’t horrify normal people would help!

Stop the Spread

Your rap opinions are terrible. Imagine thinking Boosie is better than gay rapper Meek Mill… SMH

Salt M. Bank

I’m so ashamed of San Francisco man. We elected a fucking billionaire (Dan Goldman’s cousin!) for mayor. Hate to sound all Rorschach but there’s a deep rot in this city

Mids Advocate

Funny hearing the boys say hong does too much of the Kamala talking in circles to justify positions and then hear them try to talk themselves out of defund the police, a position they’ve been big on since I’ve been listening to them.

Michael Rosen

My question, is Indiana included in the civilized states? I went to school there and there were a lot of hogs P.S. could you imagine Felix's voice mixed with whatever cartoon character Stevens is pretending to be if they had kids

Drew McGill

I will say that Felix was better on it but most of the conversation especially with Will was very reactionary

Austin Negaard Walters

You guys should do just an asoiaf episode. This was a good ep, but that last segment was hilarious as an asoiaf fan

Jared Berrien

The phrase temperature bomb sent a shiver down my spine and I knew instantly what it meant. Felix has returned with the juice he should get married more often

Whistle Dog

Ah - so what you’re saying is “it’s not your job to educate me,” got it. Will and Felix were clearly completely off-base in their characterization of prison abolitionists as unserious!

Jared Berrien

Can you guys please just have Preston Jacobs on the pod

Daffy

De-institutionalization was a good thing . Every single one of them was worse than Rikers Island. It was a place to throw away unwanted lives. It wasn't budget cuts that shut them down. It was public outcry and Geraldo Rivera. Involuntary commitment abolition was a successful campaign for patients' rights. It was the last of the civil rights movement. We can take lessons from it.

etienne

"Than you for this attention to this matter" drives me nuts, it's like when a not funny guy is trying out a new catchphrase and it doesn't work whatsoever

Alex

lot of bootlickers in the comments this ep lol

kron

I do completely agree and I do actually think it can serve as an example for what a radical incarceration reform movement would look like. But alas underfunding and austerity can ruin anything after 30 years.

Daffy

Problem is that not even the most social or political wiseass knows how to sell or convice the wider public on the issue. Nobody believes it would work because no one has good leadership on it. Every take on prison abolition and police reform comes from annoying wonks and radlibs. Geraldo Rivera was an abolitionist, an asylum abolitionist. He helped shutdown the Willowbrook child's institution with a groundbreaking exposé in 1972. Eventually they all closed by 1987 because everyone believed that were that bad or only slightly better. The conditions were like that of Rikers Island or worse, but for kids. We make it a long term strategy by starting with sheriffs refrom and abolishing juvenile detention. Like with the immigrant child detention. Start there and it can snowball. Problem with prison abolishion in any political campaign is that the victory hinges on short term results. The voters think you're talking about abolishing prisons in the first 100 days. Why else would you make it part of the platform? You can't mention radical long term goals without a starting position. Nobody has a good starting position for prison abolishion including DSA. If they do they are talking about it all wrong.

Elai Kehler

love how this one just ended being basically the directors cut of the monday ep

DT

It's a border province. Rule of law in the North, but once you hit Bloomington it's reiver country.

Tommy U

glidus and alt shwift x chapo ep now

NDowl

Rural rube here: how is villainizing rural people not literally the same playbook as always? Hell, “The New Yorker”’s original motto was “not edited for the old lady in Dubuque” back in 1925. I’m sorry the state of Kansas or whatever occupies so much space in your head, but that’s not the problem here? Like that literally is the democratic playbook? Love you guys, but I grew up in a corn field in Indiana with plenty of trumpers—but also plenty of leftists, immigrants, and working class people. That is a losing strategy. That just displaces class analysis onto a nebulous culture/civilizational war angle. In short, that’s not an edgy or productive angle. That is literally mainstream dogma (D ignores all but the big farming industry monopolies—R gets to come in and manipulate them and whip up some minoritarian sentiment).

NDowl

And look: no, rural people aren’t anywhere near the top of minorities experiencing violence or whatever. Far from it! But this is literally the one opinion they come to when they claim they need a villain. WHY NOT MAKE THE VILLAIN THE ACTUAL PEOPLE PROFITING OFF OF WAR, GENOCIDE, AND ICE?!?!?!?! Like fuck, have you been to rural America? Do you think any tax dollars are being spent there? My home hospital is one of the ones that’ll be shut down by the BBB…we have an abysmal education system. What taxes are we getting? Subsidies for “farmers” don’t go to “rural rubes,” they go to large corporations….

The 42 Project

Embarrassingly right wing conversation on police / prison abolition. Shameful.

Dale Gribble

Pretty sure the dude who the big lebowski is based on is the only guy whose car was found by police

James Oakes

Calm down. It's just a bit.

Bjorn

Not to be a contrarian but I think retrieving stolen cars is one of the best uses of the police. I had a car that was stolen like 6 times and the police always found it within a day or two

Tutty tim tim

Its okay. You live in a feudal kingdom. You have to pay penance to Levis Jeans

James Oakes

I demand to be taken seriously

Whistle Dog

I thought my black vulture was a carrion bird but it wouldn’t fit in the overhead bin so I had to pay extra to check it

James Oakes

Maybe we shouldn't have any messaging discipline at all.

NDowl

I mean, I am calm? I just think it’s a stupid bit and it’s frustrating to hear all the time. Didn’t stop me from listening and laughing along with the temp bomb idea haha. It’s just a dumb joke

Reece Coren

Will you are falling asleep to the Meek Mill verses because it’s past your bedtime grandpa

James Oakes

It's a subversion of the common trope politicians and hack writers often throw around that rural Americans are the only "real" Americans in contrast with the overeducated coastal elites who look down on them. Hope that helps.

izi

Definitely felt to me that they were more saying "if i get beat up and my wallet stolen, i want someone who cares to help me out to find that guy and he should be punished for it." Instead of the lazy cops who get mad at the victim for not providing enough details and never following up on it ever again.

Leviathan Rose

How can one even become hype for a man called Meek Millz? Maybe confident millz!

bouteilles de vin et polystyrène

It was funny when yall made the exact functional argument for the abolishment of police, after originally thinking it a necessity for a society.

Zach

Loved all the asoiaf talk in this episode

Jackson Pollack

Michigan Dem politics guy here. It's finally time for my best "Haley Stevens being weird" story (I have multiple). In 2024 I was at a fundraiser for a local candidate at a pizza place. I was standing around minding my own business when suddenly I see something in my peripheral vision. It's Haley Stevens, standing inches from my face, who yelled "MMMM, PIZZA TIME!", and walked away completely expressionless like a sim

Greg Swarny

I don't know if we need to insist on a Felix visit to Canada every year or the deep game of thrones refs but this one had me laughing out loud way more than usual.

Test

Brace Belden's take is better, which is, we're going to need a lot MORE prisons, a lot MORE cops. There's going to be a lot of counter-revolutionaries and bad actors trying to fuck up socialism. Do you expect it to be a dinner party?

Kyle Erickson

Re. Albertans burying their electric lines 6 inches underground, I used to work on underground electrical lines. One time a landscaper damaged one leg of a “buried”three-phase line with a weed whacker. He lived!

Lord Abraxas

Sharing the shame special interests and hyperfixations with Felix makes this show so fuckin good. I hear mirri maz duur is working on getting mitch mcconnell up and moving again. It worked with fetterman, so worth a try I guess

raychilldolezal

Jacob Wohl back in convo makes me miss Yeah But Still

Klemke

That's odd, they have more smoke for the lefty who mildly disses Thanksgiving than they had for the unrepentant imperialist pig-dog Platner. It's frustrating how sacrificing anti-imperialistic values to appeal to The Stupids is seen as an acceptable gambit, but actually leaning into those values is not. I'm skeptical of the DSA and its entry-ism but I will happily vote for Hong in the upcoming primary even if that hack Ettingermentum is wringing his hands about it.

Borice 19

technically this one was an old reference

FusEldar

They weren't arguing from a strategic standpoint they were arguing that they disagree with the concept entirely. Will said very clearly "I don't *want* to abolish the police"

J is gay

Ummmm actually you’ll find that UMichvoter was an El Sayed guy after McMorrow dropped sorry to be annoying

gavin curran

Y’all have terrible takes on police and prison abolition like seriously just use google you know it’s a long term project with lots of steps to get there and to just outright shit on it shows how libbed out you can be

Jim Storrie

hi, albertan here. the yellow tape is indeed because of murders

albrechto

Me explaining this to my fellow yokels in Northeast Wisconsin would go really well. Let's just stick to the popular slogans that poll well so I have to stop trying to excuse this to my neighbors.

Juan Suarez

It's crazy to go "What's your solutions for crime?!" then proceed to talk about how cops don't solve or prevent crime lmao. Someone should also tell Will the difference between policing and investigation and between consequences and punishment.

Colton Crofts

I want everyone to be able to drive a big ass dragon

burkina fatso

think you fellas gotta get back to reading theory and stop reading tweets. weird conversation to listen to regarding abolishing prisons when if you read the literature or listened to the leading activists, none of them believe you just get rid of prisons entirely. it’s a radical reform process so significant it might as well be an abolishment of the existing system, but it’s not just removing prisons and law enforcement. that should be rather obvious

mex207

Felix is back! “When we say we’re further to left; we mean fuck holidays and fireworks” 🙌 Chunks! Chunks! Chunks!

Jack

have they even read the anarchist faq?

Noah

Hype Factoryz

Erik

The prison vs police conversations are related but separate. They were kicking around a future where prisons could be gone. Are you saying those aren’t hard sells to voters?

Craig

Go wiggle me up some sausages son

Michael Rosen

I always thought everything south of Greenwood was Chud country, and then I had to work on an assembly line right outside Evansville

James Oakes

There would be less crime if police did their jobs. That was literally the entire point.

Jacob Keller

I see the black vultures moving into Will’s neighborhood has made him a reactionary

James Oakes

The problem is nobody can actually explain what steps need to be taken to get there. It's like a bunch people just decided on a conclusion and are trying to reverse engineer a justification for why they believe it.

Dylan

Alberta does have lots of oil, but it's mostly not conventional light crude. The majority of it is sand and rocks coated with tar that has to be excavated, and then diluted with light crude to refine it. It's only profitable when the price of Brent or WTI oil is extremely high

The Pissler

I would take him more seriously if he hadn’t been throwing out so, so may whacky potential candidates to back who have turned out to be complete duds

James Oakes

I think Felix is being hysterical here but I the reason they're more critical of Hong is because they actually see her as one of their own and want her to do better. Even Hasan, who's been one of her biggest foot soldiers, said yesterday that she needs better messaging discipline. What could they possibly have had to say that hadn't already been said by every other online leftist at that point?

NDowl

lol, Jesus. No it doesn’t help, because it’s a bad joke because that’s an obvious point. Both the “trope” and its “subversion” are almost 150 years old… like this is shit goes back to Reconstruction, and the fact that it’s still being peddled is a wonderful illustration of the fact that it failed. But gee, thanks for explaining it for an inbred rube like me! I’m not literally writing a diss on this exact thing. Hope that helps AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS MATTER

NDowl

And also: both the “trope” and the “subversion” calls have been coming from inside the urban (liberal political establishment) house. Like in what world are we dumb hicks simultaneously too dumb and overworked to know our own interests while also having a big enough platform to shill for our “salt of the earth” narrative… there’s a reason that no one I know read Vance’s book back when it came out: it is urban liberal/policy catnip.

N.L. Ington

Since we’re doing asoiaf parallels, imagine Trump saying “the late, great HARREN THE BLACK!”

wat

As somebody who works construction in Florida, please for the love of God, drop the temperature bomb on Florida.

Michael

Matt never yelled at Felix that much though? He yelled at the world a lot, and occasionally at Will for a bringing a terrible article to his attention but not Felix

Freaky boy

“My hitters would be called the Black Cap” RAHHH BLACK CAPS MENTIONED🇳🇿🇳🇿🇳🇿🇳🇿🏏🏏🏏🏏🏏

Neuradink

We should have the cops, but it should be the cops from the chapo rpg

James Oakes

The world "abolish" literally means "get rid of entirely".

nick

Will is wrong. The white people national anthem is Mr. Brightside.

James Oakes

Just say you didn't get the joke and move on. It's fine. No one's going to think less of you for it.

Agent Grange

They didn't shut down asylums because they thought they were profoundly cruel, if that were the case they could have improved the field of care. They shut them down because Reagan didn't want to pay for them, and had them empty the inmates onto the streets with zero care, where they all couldn't take care of themselves and became crippled drug addicts living like animals in every major American city-- where they are either left to become a public hazard or just end up being arrested and thrown into even less humane conditions in regular prison.

John

Sincere mode Felix is so adorable

NDowl

Mother fucker I’m writing a dissertation on “the joke” —I get it! quit being a prick

NDowl

Literally every reply I’ve given is “yes, I understand that it’s just a bit/joke—but it’s a stupid joke that is just the establishment line, and their ironic wink at it is part of the joke”

Dark Magicks

Yeah I mean the amount of fucking up they did during the early parts of the investigation seems to go above mere incompetence

Frank

Ronald Reagan closed the asylums because he was an abolitionist and definitely not because he hated cities and was happy to flood them with crazy people

James Oakes

You keep responding to a joke as if it's a sincerely held belief. What other reaction were you hoping to get?

Eamon Short

This is the socialism we need in these dark times.

Eamon Short

Yeah, without Matt and Amber, the average IQ of Chapo is like 93

Eamon Short

You guys dropped the ball, Felix is clearly Anguy the Archer from TBWB

NDowl

Damn, we used to have a modicum of discourse here. Sorry for ruining your good time.

Ted Lavender

TFW you spend three weeks in the Berkshires and Cape Cod and come back to do a “leftwing” podcast.

Daffy

Reagan didn't do shit. His brain was worse than Biden's half the time. Soup. And "flooding the streets with criminals" is a classic rightwing talking point all the way from yellow journalism and antisemitism of the 1880s. Try harder trot lib.

Frank

Criminals is how you are describing them - the real criminals are people like you who make the insane live in the gutter instead of a hospital

Antoine Desgagnés

56:38...give me a break Felix, I'm from Québec City and went to a fest in Houston two years ago and everyone needed to show or ID to have the booze bracelet, even people clearly in their 50s. Having to produce your state ID document to be allowed to but booze when you're clearly an adult is not freedom

William Deverell

abolishing police and prisons (which in america come from runaway slave patrols and goons hired to beat striking workers, not much has changed) doesn’t happen in a vacuum. it would be within the context of other radical popular movements in society that provide mechanisms of safety and justice for ourselves not just what we have now minus cops and prisons. it’s a core socialist goal, unless socialism for you is state capitalism or social democracy or bernie left-liberal whatever. if you want reforms then it would be things like defunding the police and replacing some of their tasks with social service workers and then using saved money towards social welfare programs that address crime closer to the root causes. the nypd has the same budget as the pakistani military. those resources could reduce crime far more if used on eliminating poverty. cops exist to protect private property, we need to get to the root of antisocial behavior. we need to build a society oriented around the freedom and wellbeing of the common person not the violent parasitic elite the state exists to enable

The Steel Harvest

The temperature bomb would just make everywhere like Kansas...

Sam Rockwell

Ck3 game of thrones mod “agot” playthrough series would be fire. Iirc Matt was trying to learn Eu5 during the pandemic

Zach Young

I got my car stolen, the cops did find it only because it was parked on the side of the road with no plates. And another thing, my car was full of stolen mail, a full mailbox, and a few bags. When I told the cops about the stolen goods they asked if I wanted to file a report lol

tall bilbo

Matt would improve any episode, but Will and Felix do such a great job together. I don't know anything about Game of Thrones but I love this show.

wavylady

It’s fun and they have a machine that weighs you and tells you what mammal you’re closest to in weight. Don’t go on a long weekend or you’ll be wading through children the whole time

ggmacd

the Canadian Rockies are such a special place it's easy to forget they're (partially) in alberta. If you haven't gone and want to, go soon and see what you can while you can. I've been vacationing there almost every year of the last 15 and the sense of loss is making it harder to go back. The fires keep growing and the glaciers keep shrinking.

Wellington

Would love a Felix podcast about ASOIAF lore

Mojtaba HUSAYNI Khamenei

James do you get anxiety for the sixteen hours a day that you aren't being babysat by Hasan?

Kamran Husain

temperature by sean paul starts blasting as the temperature bomb begins its decline towards its target

Isaac Peachey

I feel like you guys are really misrepresenting what police and prison abolition is. There is a difference between having some form of law enforcement and having a roving gang of unaccountable thugs patrolling the streets on behalf of the ruling class. There’s also a difference between having some sort of social segregation for those who commit certain crimes and locking people in cages, denying people basic rights, abusing people, and forcing them to work on former slave plantations.

Isaac Peachey

Asylums were terrible. Public funding for things is good. That’s the real problem. There are legit alternatives to asylums. They just require the necessary public resources to ensure that everybody has access to them. When asylums were shut down, public funding for the mentally ill and disabled dwindled because the country was swept up by neoliberalism. If you want to provide aid for the mentally ill and disabled, we need to at the very least fund it.

Nathan TC

Minnesota Senate Primary(also Tues. 8/11) is gonna be REALLY CLOSE!! We gotta get AIPAC Angie Craig out. PEGGY FLANAGAN IS THE WAY

old hobgoblin

Do we get to hear about how health insurance is good actually next week?

Isaac Peachey

If people on the left compromise their political ideals for the sake of the median voter, how does that make us any better than what the Democratic Party pretends to be doing? It’s not like the left isn’t already going to be attacked on this issue whether a specific candidate supports prison abolition or not.

Coleman

"Prison abolition" and "Police abolition" are bad politics and I would love to see the DSA wipe it from their public platform

Coleman

If you have to use Google it's not a good bullet point for your policy platform

Coleman

And you weren't running for office being asked about it on TV

Christian Bendillo

The cops did recover my car when it got stolen, but that’s only because the guy who stole my car was the dumbest criminal of all time. It took 45 minutes and he was at a convenience store on the same road he stole it on lmao

Jack Perry

I don’t disagree that the term “abolition” might not be effective politically, but Will and Felix’s description of making the police more like well trained civil servants is ironically starting to reverse engineer what abolitionists like Alex vitale advocate for. In other words, their model of police reform would basically be called abolition by anyone except leftists anyway

Siobhan Killeen

shoutout to my dad for this comment but every day james carville looks more and more like the crypt keeper

Arid

Prison abolitionists love to hit you with the "It's not my job to educate you" The DSA could just switch to prison reform, win more elections, and still do a ton of good. The rest of their platform is still popular

BW

I too take to the paywalled comments section of a podcast I listen to while doing yard work to complain that my bespoke criminal justice positions are not parroted exactly by the hosts. Here’s $5!

Cody Ross Rex

Imagining Preston Jacob’s on chapo makes me giggle

Patrick Carroll

You have upset the anarchists and we will not take this lying down!! We WILL queer this space!!!!

Patrick Carroll

Guy named Gavin calling people y’all, go back to the dsa schism group from 2017 you came from

Agent Dana Scully

Yeah it was really disappointing to hear "I don't want to abolish the police, I just want SOCIALIST police" from these bros

Patrick Carroll

Lmao you this is such a funny amerikkka take.

Patrick Carroll

“We will build a utopia where there is no crime” is not a helpful contention. If there were to be a revolution there would need to be prisons to account for people who try to attack the revolution and kill your comrades

Ali Rayray

America in 2026 got concentration camps, where people are trafficked to other states for writing an op-ed opposing genocide and there is an entire underclass of prison labourers whom are raped and left in squalor conditions while working for a dollar a day, or out on loan to the local Burger King and we talking about how prison abolition is bad, okay.

Ali Rayray

Thanksgiving food is actually terrible, and Midwesterners need to be told the truth about it.

Daniel Huslig

I wonder if they have both read the books by now. Iirc couple years ago Felix was talking about asoiaf theories but said he only like read the wiki not the books themselves

etienne

turkey is overrated all the rest absolutely owns

etienne

Indiana served as the northern HQ of the KKK for too long, it's not invited to the table of civilized states

Ali Rayray

House Menaker - Smell our wrath

Michael Rosen

Yeah, that was when the DC Stephenson chewed on Madge Oberholtzer

Michael Rosen

There was a high chud density at Purdue, election night 2012 was interesting in the dorms

Aureus

Abdul El-Sayed…black of hair

gavin curran

They know what they’re doing they’re being intentionally obtuse these ideas have been around for decades they’re just lazy and don’t like thinking

Ryan

Felix back = back to averaging 4.5 game of thrones references and episode 👍

Sexual Harry Potter

As a yokel-American this is a difficult episode for me to listen to…I’m from Appalachia and listening to this while I pack up my Brooklyn apartment and prepare to head home hillbilly elegy style after spending a year up here. The urban rules and regulations here are simply outrageous and discriminatory towards rubes that struggle with paperwork and income , owning a car was hell. If you’re ever in coal country I’ll give you a sample of our finest fentanyl and moonshine and a tour of the beautiful abandoned neighborhoods, then maybe you’ll think twice about your bigoted rhetoric.

m w b

the alberta independence shit has zero constituency outside of the far right. not even centrist libs take it seriously.

Tino Mori

Legitimately funny how they go from talking about how unrealistic it is to do away with incarceration and cops overnight (bit of a strawman but fair enough) and instead they propose the novel idea: what if we had GOOD cops like on Law and Order instead of BAD cops who don't solve crimes and collude with ICE? damn, get these two gentlemen into the Problem Solvers Caucus with ideas like these! why didn't anyone think of this sooner?? It's interesting that they treat 2020 as a year of regrettable indiscretions. That was a clarifying time for me, and defund the police makes as much sense now as it did then. if incarceration and police don't actually reduce crime, but things like housing do, then if you're worried about crime then you would be pro defund the police. I don't think you have to be an abolitionist to support this. So why do the thing we rightfully rag on democrats for, conceding to the "reasonable" position right away as an opening gambit? can't believe we've got Felix and Will picking up the Popularism mantle here, it's wild!

Tino Mori

incarceration leads to more recidivism, so that's not true

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M Varnzo

Maybe these guys’ rich parents should continue to pay property tax but my friend who worked her whole life and now survives on a $1500 social security check and $300 in disability each month and would be destitute if she hadn’t managed to pay her house off? Nah gang. Let her go.

Doug Cartel

Here Felix, I have your favorite idea right here: Temperature bomb, Hypersonic Glide Vehicle MIRV is optional

Jacob

You act like in some perfect society there won’t be people raping, the occasional murder, theft, fraud, etc. what do you do about it? Just deputize locals to do what they want? Banishment? Execution?

William Deverell

the fundamental thing is to address the root causes of crime. not slap an extra layer of punishment that only ineffectively addresses the symptoms not the disease. you can have some kind of detainment for enemy combatants during a revolution but prisons are a tool of the state. the state being an apparatus that exists to allow a violent parasitic minority to control a much larger population. which is inherently counterrevolutionary to socialist aims. collectivizing the property of the bourgeoisie and replacing the state with a confederation of worker councils would do far more than throwing them in prison. it would remove their power and their existence as the bourgeoisie at all. we need worker power not a totalitarian state, history screams this at us

Jacob

Oh boy, “ideals”. What will happen to rule breakers in your view? Who will deal with a crazy person holding a knife on the bus? People who steal and defraud?

Jacob

Punishment does work in terms of ending behaviour, it just needs to be more immediate than it is. Regardless, in any “utopia”, there needs to be way to isolate certain individuals from society, and control people who seek to cause harm.

Jacob

Are these people who are going to be part of this safety mechanism going to be trained in detention and preventing people from harming themselves and others?

William Deverell

they probably should be, but this is just a vague hypothetical and the whole idea is these are questions we answer collectively not just me or anyone coming up with a blueprint that can only be implemented from above

rough customer

I know the Chapo boys have had him on and expressed their enjoyment for his work, but I feel like a lot of online leftists could benefit from watching Michael Moore’s “Where to Invade Next”. In particular I am reminded of the section on Norwegian prisons. Maybe I have too much naive admiration for the Scandinavians but they have a system that truly focuses on rehabilitation and an extremely low recidivism rate. The difference is of course that the United States is a deeply sick country full of deeply sick people. Moore interviews some of the parents of victims of the 2011 Norway attacks and they exhibit more mercy than I would be capable of mustering. Unless you’re an anarchist I don’t see very much objectionable about what Will and Felix said in this episode, and if thats the case Im not sure why you’d expect to agree with anything they say. A proletarian revolution would require a LOT of prisons and a LOT of capital punishment.

CemeteryDrive

sometimes when my dyed in the wool hashtag resistance lib mother is in my car with me i turn on chapo to mess with her because she gets irrationally angry every time felix mispronounces kamala

mexicanhalloween .

I love all these references to dead media, we'll never get another book, but it warms my heart to hear references to characters I was also stupid enough to read about.

MelloC

It’s over and that’s okay ❤️

JJ Moffett

Hearing Felix describe the temperature bomb felt exactly like talking to my 5 year old son lmao

Kinetics Video

She's just thinking about the Turtles in Time arcade game, like a real American

Sexual Harry Potter

I love the idea of rewarding well behaving districts with a temperature bomb. It would probably cause ecological and agricultural collapse but they wouldn’t complain about it because you are all powerful and could always just drop another one

Agent Grange

Been thinking about this for days and the Republican version of sending your child to the Nights Watch is sending them to George Mason University to learn to be a campaign staff coordinator.

Charlie Kirk’s Neck Juice

Serious question, have the prison abolition crowd in here studied any left wing revolutions from history? Even one?

Charlie Kirk’s Neck Juice

Ok what happens when someone is raped in a post carceral society? What do you do with the inevitable right wing counter-revolutionaries?

Fraud_Hack

why did will say "missiles in genital"

Charlie Kirk’s Neck Juice

Not my job to educate you = I get uncomfortable when confronted on the question of rape not being magically abolished by prison abolition

Charlie Kirk’s Neck Juice

“The root cause of crime is economic” claims the man never threatened with rape once in his life

Zen Ben the Elder

The Mids Gas Station Wars are back on in Alberta! 2:30

Zen Ben the Elder

After hearing the episode, I can stand with Chapo against the abolitionist ultra's who crammed into the chat. Maybe I should respect their intense commitment to prison and police abolition, probably based in personal or family history that must be acknowledged, but I actually think most of those posters (those who are not bots) are BPD cranks, who should be routinely ignored and distanced from positions of authority in the movement. They are the ultra factional wreckers, who are either Feds or useful idiots to the fascists. They are not ripe in their revolutionary fervor. They lack the gravity and stability of character to be leaders. Being able to read the room is a critical political skill. Those who lack that intellectual depth should not be given a microphone. They lack the judgement to lead a political movement. Their OCD fixations are not our first principles. We want global socialism, not nerd-ass side quests. Focus, people.

Daniel

The fanboys back breaking to come to a defense of a podcast is always so funny to me. They literally advocated against the abolition movement, not just that it was a poor strategic point.

Jacob Calcutt

1) They just said she’s a little goofy on holidays and prison abolition and needs to get better messaging. 2) this is the same scolding the libs are doing about some random kid on twitter regarding Stevens. What these guys say on this (paywalled) podcast isn’t gonna matter 3) Chill out

Tino Mori

I can’t speak for actual abolitionists here, I think participating in society requires people to understand how their actions will affect others and to gain some amount of happiness from the happiness of others, some amount of pain from the pain of others. Anyone can learn this if they want to. It takes practice and some are more inclined to than others. If some people don’t want to take others’ happiness and pain seriously, then they can live a life where they don’t get to affect others. If you want to call that prison, I’m sure abolitionists would also not approve so feel free to :) as for crimes that still occur, I think it’s more important to focus on the victim and taking care of them first and foremost. It’s a failure of society that an individual acted contrary to the social contract. Why? I think preventing crimes is more effective than punishing people after the fact, and punishing isn’t much of a deterrent, just look at the US. As for reactionaries, they have the choice between reeducation and a life of no influence. I realize you probably don’t actually care what a random listener like me thinks, it was probably just a gotcha question, and this is a lot of text, but thanks for asking, it was helpful to me :)

etienne

yeah famously the squalid dungeon that pissed off Varg and where they gave him synthetizers where he could invent a new music genre lol

Woke Batou

Vitale did not take the abolition position in his book

Woke Batou

The correct take on law and police. Our justice system is corrupt and a tool of capital oppression, but there is also a small fraction of the population who will kill, rape, and assault even if there is basic social democracy. And they will need to be dealt with. Even getting to social democracy and having a just transition will require a lot of powerful people to be locked up!

Drew McGill

He’s evolved then because the last time on the Bad Faith pod he spoke to it.

Woke Batou

The local Denver abolitionist got elected to city council and started pushing for stricter gun laws that would turn legal activities into illegal actions with criminal penalties. So much for abolition! Deeply unserious people.

Woke Batou

It really was!! Medicare for All should bring them back

Woke Batou

Medicare for All should bring back mental institutions too.

Late Capitalist Filth

What is with the surge of Game of Thrones references? Is the crew doing a rewatch?

United Eric Emirates

Classic ep! Everyone here being pissed is all you need to know to know that the boys are back Lol

Mr Blake

As a Texan, I am FOR getting weather bombed.

Woke Batou

Mid century communists focused on tasks in front of them instead of yammering about how they were going to abolish money. A lot to learn from here.

Woke Batou

A lot of the abolition folks want to pretend CHOP/CHAZ didn't happen. It did happen, and it was deadly and looked like shit!

Nico

Please turn the western suburbs of Minneapolis into Palm springs - we've earned it.

Everett Penne

Boy your take on community control of the police is a miss here. Justice for Corey Ruiz!

Ronald Shoe

The Aaron slander is unacceptable 😤

Patrick Carroll

Firstly the enemy combatants don’t stop coming when the revolution ends. There have been continual attacks on Cuba since 1959. You are conceding you need a state to deal with that. And also this anarchist rhetoric is useless. There has never been a revolution without government. Even your token few like Catalonia included a state apparatus that was extremely forceful and violent and repressive. You’re simply out of step with basic reality.

Matt

Hong does not support eliminating property tax! Long time listener, but this is a lazy ass episode.

Patrick Carroll

Campaigning on changing holidays while indigenous people still live on reservations and in extreme poverty is silly and the only people who like it are the white people who want something to soothe their guilt without changing anything

Ted Lavender

Patrick the boys aren’t going to invite you to their beach houses no matter how many critical comments you pithily reply to.

Daffy

Love the Michigan fist avi.

Daffy

The ford slurs make me laugh. I'd take them any day over a god damned Chevy.

Cole Sheridan

I don’t know if it’s rural people we’re after so much as phenomenally backwards peripheral suburbanites. We call them “Sprawl hicks” as in- “my cousin who grew up in Lamont Illinois just lost his whole Checkers check on something crypto called ‘cum sock coin’ -fuckin sprawl hick.”

Dee Rubes

“Law enforcement” is not the same as “police.” “Isolating dangerous people” is not the same as “prison.” A truly left wing regime would need to get rid of most or all current law enforcement personnel in order for them to be effective. If you want “good cops” who are only keeping peace and stopping counter-revolutionaries, and you only want to imprison truly dangerous people, then 95% of prisons would close and 95% of cops would be fired. What would be left would look radically different. Everyone but a contrarian would call that abolition.

Joe

Lenin expresses a similar sentiment to police & prison abolition as you in state and revolution where he criticizes anarchism for seeking to abolish state over night. I think the problem in the us is that our "left" filters the great academic work of the past (such as the dissolution of the state after the dictatorship of the proletariat) through narrow liberal democratic & capitalist frameworks so that it can pretend to evoke the likes of marx & lenin without having to articulate a clear political/economic alternative vision. Hence why "abolish the police" is adopted as a catchy slogan & future hopeful ballot line rather than a sophisticated consequence of the successful overthrow of bourgeois governance and reorganization of society.

Dee Rubes

But police *do* their actual jobs—to repress the population and labor organizing. The idea that police “protect and serve” the population by fairly upholding the law is literally nothing but a 1955 LAPD marketing campaign. “To serve and protect” has never been a thing, so tbh it is on the libs to explain how that would work…

Dee Rubes

“Leads? Yeah, I’ll just check with the boys down at the crime lab. They got four more detectives working on the case!”

Dee Rubes

Thank god the police and prisons exist to aggressively and fairly prosecute rape

Charlie Kirk’s Neck Juice

This is a nice sentiment but having served as a public defender in both the criminal court and the psychiatric hospital unit I can assure you that no not everyone “can learn this if they want to.” And while I’m a strong proponent of criminal justice reform and prison reform, there will always be a need for institutions. They should of course be focused on rehabilitation, but reform and economic equity isn’t a magic wand that makes violent crime disappear.

Erik

Convincing the median voter needs to happen way before the ballot box. Programming and successes at the local level can make these feasible but that has to happen first. A population reared on Fox News and punitive thinking are only going to be negatively polarized by abolitionist policies.

Doug Cartel

"id run red lights for pussy!!" Oh really? That's all?

Doug Cartel

So she raises a lot of points about how busted our current system is, which is fine obviously, but I interpreted chapo's argument as more fundamental, in the same way that Disco Elysium also wonders about the nature of a cop's job. As in, you are making a society from square one, what do you do about extreme violence? How do you punish and deal with rapists and murderers? And "police" is our current answer, but what is a better answer? Her video did a good job of explaining the basics but since it's made as a primer for people who have never heard the concept before, I can't imagine that she would spend any time talking about a post-cop society when they're struggling just to be considered a legit issue. That's my take anyways idk

Jacob

What movement? What is the alternative to prisons?

Erik

We’re going back to the medieval frankpledge apparently. Everyone’s going to have to check in with everyone else in their tithing ten and present themselves for good conduct. Good luck to anyone who’s stuck with a Republican. Or you know anyone who’s a stickler.

William Deverell

i never said it was just economic. there’s a lot more to it than economics. like patriarchy, that is huge and deep in our civilization. but all this stuff is intertwined

William Deverell

you don’t need a state to defend a revolution. states smother worker power. we can organize and fight without giving a violent parasitic elite total power

William Deverell

also i lost my virginity from a woman pinning me down and making me have sex so i know a little bit about it. though i can understand why you would assume otherwise

Damen Irving

This might be the happiest I’ve heard either of these two in years

Slamp

More war. More securitization. More prisons. No end. More data centers. Progress. Death death death

Patrick Carroll

I’m applauding you holding them accountable of course

swervegriffin

Idk if u ppl all got the memo to abandon abolish/defund the police this week but it’s really fucking embarrassing. Weren’t you guys just complaining abt how zohran ended up giving up 100% on Palestine. Ur part of the capitulation

C W

"Abolish the police doesn't actually mean abolish the police." Cool, so you just are making normals think you want unrepentant murderers and child molesters wandering the streets for nothing.

Evan Dammarell

I couldn’t find the Menaker family crest but the Biederman one is black and white field with a black and white poppy on it. I think the Portuguese water dog can definitely be worked in.

Jake Degeneffe

Thank you, NDowl, for putting up with this and continuing to respond. Honestly, too many slackers on here want it both ways, you critique any part of the podcast: "It's a joke bro, calm down," but Felix drops his pillhead slacker accent and Will starts throwing around words like moral or inexcusable: "This is serious bro, get on board." I'm sorry, but Chapo is just a political science class with chill teachers, and they will only disappoint you if you expect them to follow through on any ideology now that Matt and Amber are gone. It's just the Daily Show now, and they are too embarrassed to admit that they know it. Go to Ground News, Hasan Piker, Some More News, they have actual praxis in mind. Unlike these guys, who are just leftist shock jocks by this point. It's sad, but there is a reason why this show was more popular when the half the cast that was actually politically inclined were involved more.

Jake Degeneffe

Am I the only one who finds Chapo's ceaseless contrarianiam extremely tiresome? Consistent contrarianiam and ironic hand waving were very cool back in 2017, but Jesus Christ, get a new gimmick or just be funnier. Either fully commit to being a brocialist comedy podcast like Stavros has, or fully commit to politics and stop having episodes where you just shit on progressives. I remember literally last week, when Kathrine was on, all they did was shit on mainstream Dems for doing what they spent all this episode doing. Is this really all Felix adds to the show?

Matt Crossin

They’re actually grasping towards the right position here, but end up with a shitty one for the same reason most DSA people are caught in this bind - because they’re not revolutionary Marxists or anarchists Prison and police abolition under the conditions of capitalism makes zero sense. It’s impossible. The radical liberal ideas about it are nonsense. It’s only possible to get rid of these things if you overthrow capitalism. DSA candidates aren’t going to argue for that, so it’s pointless getting mad at them for not doing it. and chapo has never really had that politics either.

Tino Mori

Not sure why violent crime arising from psychological conditions shouldn’t be the subject of preventative interventions like “economic equity”, but I agree we don’t have all the answers yet. Thank you, seriously, for your service, you are the real troops to me Mr. Neckjuice, I’m just a nobody.

Ben Walsh

Near the end and expecting Elvis Costello.

Zen Ben the Elder

Yeah, I too, as a card-carrying DSA paper member, I was dismayed by this untimely announcement of the 100 year long-term trajectory of the socialist agenda. Oh, jeez, now I have more surface area to defend to my liberal Democrat radio audience. Not helpful. Maybe this is MSM chimp-clipping, but was this current announcement driven by the DSA members or Fox News? If you care about winning elections, any weekend workshop visioning exercise published for a national audience must be accompanied by a rough time horizon and detailed plans and strategies for getting from here to there. Otherwise, it merely introduces a whole new platter of facially implausible statements to defend. I hope that this news hook was ginned up by Fox, and not intentionally released three months from a critical mid-term election to make a big splash for the vanguard of the DSA. Either way, Mission Accomplished.

Zen Ben the Elder

Yeah, as a card-carrying DSA paper member, I was dismayed by this untimely announcement of the 100 year long-term trajectory of the socialist agenda. Oh, jeez, now I have more surface area to defend to my liberal Democrat radio audience. Not helpful. Maybe this is MSM chimp-clipping, but was this current announcement driven by the DSA members or Fox News? If you care about winning elections, any weekend workshop visioning exercise published for a national audience must be accompanied by a rough time horizon and detailed plans and strategies for getting from here to there. Otherwise, it merely introduces a whole new platter of facially implausible statements to defend. I hope that this news hook was ginned up by Fox, and not intentionally released three months from a critical mid-term election to make a big splash for the vanguard of the DSA. Either way, Mission Accomplished.

NitroDickclapp III

The biggest drop in crime we had around my country was when meth ripped thru the gang scene. Now instead of beating the shit out of people on the street our gang prospects are in gang houses buying and smoking meth. It's crazy how much safer our streets are now than they were 25 years ago. I have a theory that Netflix, YouTube and social media is also responsible for lower crime rates, people be scrolling. I'm probably wrong but it's fun. As for car thieves, I used to steal cars and I never got caught, the other guys I know only got caught when they did dumb shit like go on the nod behind the wheel. Unless you're doing shit like murders, esp cops, and armed robberies and some violent crimes the chances of getting caught for anything is low. We all know the conviction rate for SA is abysmal. Also I think the abolish prisons thing the dsa etc is talking about isn't about abolishing tomorrow, it's a long term plan / end goal.

Slamp

They gave you a source to read.

Andy Ant

There's a real double standard in the DSA orbit where everyone seems to understand the way to poorer whites is through being straight on your Econ populist points but that doesn't apply to black voters and issues that affect the poorest black voters most.

Juan Suarez

The job of the police is to protect the propertied and the powerful.

Return of The Mac 2nite

“The left’s up and coming elections” alright who wrote that stupid description?

Return of The Mac 2nite

“The left’s upcoming elections” alright who wrote that stupid description?

Owen Webster

Erm actually plutonium does not exist naturally on earth so you can’t “mine” it exactly.

Patrick Carroll

Dang really?? Oh well I guess I’ll just have to find solace in even whiny anarchists conceding I am pithy

Patrick Carroll

Whats funny is that you are pining for 2020 Bernie mode and that was by far the lamest moment of the show. These are not politicians. They’re former Twitter micro celebs with a podcast. Chill out a little.

Patrick Carroll

Literally there has never been a revolution without a state apparatus. You are positing that you will lead a new kind of revolution never before seen in human history. You get why people laugh at you right?

Patrick Carroll

Jeeze it’s odd to be the anarchist making rape jokes

Patrick Carroll

100% of the people who started listening to this joke podcast in 2020 have this opinion. It comes with the blm tattoos

Dylan

This show is fucking over

Patrick Carroll

We will build the truly left wing regime!!! First we just have to figure out what that is 🤔🤔🤔

will michel

vibecasting a fresh matt christman stroke of genius on this next ep🤞

Juan Suarez

I'm kind of shocked by all the chudlets who look at prisons (slave warehouses for mostly non-violent offenders) and police (who ruin most people's days and lives during any interaction) and think "we have to keep this!"

Return of The Mac 2nite

Spread your cheeks and get ready for liberal electoralism. Chapo is lost w/o Matt.

Return of The Mac 2nite

Will brings up a “human nature” argument unironically *sigh* this is the left wing in my country

Everett Penne

Dawg I'm sorry but they actively describe themselves as being against even defunding the police, which is extremely mass line for anyone even remotely engaged in real organizing. Madison Wisconsin is experiencing massive outrage at the police at this very moment for shooting a black man in the street a couple weeks back. Defunding the police is among the demands. They bash Hong who, while not by any means a socialist or communist or whatever you want, has the potential to bring real positive changes to the working class in Wisconsin. Why? They're small business owners. Idk. We should be trying to win all that can be won for and by the working class, and Chapo has really lost the plot. Sounds like you have too. Definitely an unsubscribe moment, but consider the motivations for your jeering.

Jake Degeneffe

....and? What is that statement even supposed to imply? Am I not a "real fan" because I didn't join pre covid? I don't "get the show" because I don't find punching down funny? I'm asking for something unrealistic? You may hand wave and cop out with "this is a joke podcast," its a joke podcast about politics, don't even feed me that bad faith. I have zero affiliation with BLM, and what on earth has that to do with anything I said? Say what you mean, quit implying please.

BW

Thank you for demonstrating exactly what I was joking about, “dawg”

Everett Penne

Yes, a good classic chapo episode is one where they jeer at mass anger at policing and calls for abolition or reform and then talk down on people in the midwest who are struggling and would benefit from even an extremely imperfect governor as Hong. Really makes them seem like they're in touch

Krooner500

Felix's weather bomb sounds similar to the technology from the hit movie Geostorm

Cindy Carrot

felix crazy for that temperature bomb

etienne

yeah rape is a great counterexample to the police abolition because rapists aren't going to jail either way lol

Jack Perry

Yes he did, this is the whole crux of my point. Most proponents of abolishing the police are essentially advocating for completely reshaping it, not just getting rid of it with no replacement.

Budget Hireling

Guys don’t end up being enemies of the Hong Dynasty.

rough customer

Not sure if this is sarcasm, but I don’t think the “squalid dungeon” had anything to do with him being a miserable nazi. Don’t think he’s murdered anyone since his release either. Probably had something to do with those synthesizers. Would love to show you how “free” people live in Kentucky. Then we can get to the detention centers where people are made to live in sewage.

Return of The Mac 2nite

DSA? Are we still talking about the shitty goddamn DSA as some arbiter vanguard org? God the LaRouche people would fall for a timeshare but even they’re making more sense than this succdem suck off.

Vivian Irby

Felix will be an excellent general of Cobra someday

Return of The Mac 2nite

This is probably the most retarded this podcast has been in some time that hasn’t been prompted by a liberal guest

John Lima

Q-tip prod mobb deep track to end the pod. yes.

Miles Carter

Did these bozos just read ASOIAF? I read that shit and can barely remember who young griff is

All Set

Had my car stolen and the CHP found it and charged me $400 to get it back from their tow yard.

oooeeeooo

Everyone's been saying this for a decade

Dylan

A decade ago they were funny. Also back then you could find meaningful distinctions between them and Sam Seder.

Spica

Punishing Rural America is a political project I can get behind!

zucccccc

there is not enough theory in the world that will make me feel safe without some sort of incarceration for violent criminals lol, crazy that this is divisive, why don’t we worry about healthcare. Also, “stop attacking x candidate by repeating embarrassing and cringe things they said!” straight out of the kamala playbook lmao

Jonathan Nathan

I have the Will Menaker disease where any mention of Boosie makes me yell DON DO IT MAYN

khannesfilmfest

Abolishing police and prisons is such a stupid thing to have on the platform and the guys are right to make fun of it!

khannesfilmfest

Might get to abolition faster by pursuing socialist goals that are compelling to many people. The conditions for abolition might ensue, and we could die on that hill then. If you lead with it on a national platform... I mean come on. Do we like having this conversation? Is everyone having fun?

Henry

"It's not enough to assign myself homework, I need it to be assigned to everyone else too"

bruce

hessie

bruce

who was the alternate to platner

bruce

okay so you don’t have a serious idea on this. “incept a particular moral idea in the entire population” is not an idea any “more serious” than “what if the cops were good at solving crimes”, it’s actually a lot dumber!

Anomalie

Please give me temperature bomb. I cannot stand this heat and humidity 💀

Savannakhet

New episode is late. Will got got by the black vultures. Shit.

Elliot Matheny

They were talking about total abolition of the police, not defund, which is more of a reform movement than a full abolition.

Natalie L

Why are they intentionally misinterpreting “abolish the police” in the exact same obtuse way that back the blue people were in 2020? Embarrassing tbh

Hall wingfield

Hong really seems like the left mirror version of Christine O'Donnell

Patrick Carroll

Shoot I was planning on going to their houses because they’re such rich capitalists. Now you’re saying they’re not even going to let me in the door?? I was a day one listener!!!

Patrick Carroll

Dang a joke podcast that’s about politics?!? You’ve changed my mind. This is so important. Please continue to hold them accountable for their joke podcast about politics 🙏👏👏👏 People who are trapped in perpetual 2020 are so funny man

burkina fatso

believe it or not james but there’s actually plenty of books on the subject, you could try reading for information rather than waiting for podcasts to educate you on everything. saying “nobody can explain” something only shows you’re listening to people who can’t, it doesn’t prove nobody can.

burkina fatso

there’s this crazy concept where you get rid of something and then replace it with something better. i know this is tough for your tiktok shorts brain to wrap itself around, but being reductive and dogmatic with language isn’t getting you anywhere either bud so maybe try some flexible thinking techniques

burkina fatso

hey jacob they have books on this stuff, bud. if you expect comments under a podcast ep, or the podcast ep itself, to explain complex concepts to you i think you’re in for a bad time

burkina fatso

the guy only doing contrarian and annoying takes up and down this comment section wants to get condescending 😂 this is funny shit bro keep it up

spacemanspliff

Police discussion reminded me of Joe Rogan

BW

Do you know what hyperbole is?

Henry Baker

Is there somewhere where Matt talks about his cpac acid trip? I remember hearing it mentioned around the time but never in-depth

mex207

Will! Felix! Temperature bomb! Chunks! Chunks! Chunks!

K H

Platner iirc wasn't discussed because he was a hard to stomach but politically acceptable pick. They even joked about signing off on everything he's done or will do. Everyone was confused and skeptical because of his career as a mercenary conflicting with his rhetoric so he just wasn't discussed because there was no good alternative and he was politically viable.

Tina Paracord

It's crazy to act like 2020 was this purely embarrassing time and not a truly hopeful spark of popular left sentiment, quickly washed over by corporations and democrats. Like the problem wasn't "Nabisco stands against racism" tweets or electeds frantically pulling the conversation away from police violence & towards fuckin statues. It was those dang lefties and their anti-cop slogans that was the embarrassment

Tina Paracord

Like okay the American populace gets a chance to openly talk about left politics for the first time in a century and a lot of people don't know how to do it very effectively, can you blame them???

Matelda

I know it's a pointless argument, and there were a lot of counterculturists who would contradict this point, but "making the police into something other than what they currently are" was always the actual abolitionist position. The problem is that you say "abolish the police" and people naturally think "police" means their Busytown idea of what the police should be, not what they are. Whereas the whole insight of abolitionism is that the police/prison system is not what you think it is. The abolitionists were correct, but failed this round because virtually nobody understood the subject, even some their actual spokespeople. So i don't know what's next, but basically the bad guys won through rigorous blockheadism, a disciplined strategy of absolutely refusing to address the intended subject at hand.

Matelda

Prison reform is frought because many of the worst aspects of the modern American justice system were the results of reform movements. "Abolition" is clearly too confusing of a term for the public, but certain insights of the abolition movement are necessary: that the whole system is not what it's supposed to be, that justice is incompatible with the economics of the modern penal system, and that any change must shrink rather than grow the industrial complex. These emerged from the manifest failures of historical "reform."

GenZ Poster

Not to mention the literal saboteurs (e.g. cops attempting to foment violence in crowds of protestors) and the malignant signal boosters who knew that simplifying and shortening the message to an un nuanced “abolish the police” would negatively affect popular perception. I hate the idea that we need to have slogans that cater to fucking morons when they can just ask us to elaborate on that point. And even if a slogan did exist that seemed like common sense, its ideology all the same

Dominic

See you next week!

GenZ Poster

It’s not so much that anyone’s arguing against separating murderers from the rest of society, it’s that the Mr.s. Chapeaux are failing to even attempt to imagine a society in which we don’t need modern police and prisons. That’s why I’m disappointed. how are we supposed to move beyond capitalism into a society of which no comprehensive vision exists if we don’t have imagination guided by principles? Our current masters don’t have imagination, all they have is the blind pursuit of production and reproduction. If we don’t take the time to conceptualize a new world, we will end up right back in that same annihilating pursuit. In fact, I think free healthcare is a great place to start on the road to imagining that future society. And yeah, I know it’s a haha funny “left” podcast but this level of ignorance and disengagement with the world is indicative of every issue with Americans and westerners more broadly

GenZ Poster

What the fuck are you talking about?

GenZ Poster

What conclusions about prison abolition would you expect a study of left wing revolutions to arrive at?

GenZ Poster

That’s what you think as someone lacking any moral compass

GenZ Poster

After two years, this ep has finally helped me realize why people hate Felix so much Also why the fuck have the episodes been so late recently. I’m gonna tell my family that you guys are antisemitic and believe me they got shooters all over Galveston

gaylord

Where's the ep u sheepdogs

Matt

Anyone thinks we’re actually gonna get TWOW?

Sai

The chapo boys have never been police/ prison abolitionists. They took a lot of heat for it during 2020. Doesn't mean the current system is best possible, just that you do need state violence and a place to put criminals (counter-revolutionaries, etc).

Sai

"the name of the policy doesn't describe the intended policy" Why not call it something less misleading then? How would a socialist state defend its own revolution without police and prisons?

Sai

You're always gonna have bruisers. The question is which class they serve. In an ideal world they would serve the interests of the vast majority of the people (the proletariat) instead of the tiny minority (bourgeoisie) which is what they do now. Changing who the groups of armed men serve is called a revolution.

K H

Fuck is this? You guys have been smoking pot with Saagar haven't you? The ideal form of law enforcement is a community militia that receives state funding according to population and has to qualify according to a federal standards set out by proportional representatives from all the other militias. While it is paid work, it is part time and must be done within a limited area around where they actually live. Anyone can join so long as they qualify and shifts give everyone a chance to participate over some rolling period. Investigations would be carried out by full time professionals, which I do actually think should travel across the state to reduce potential for bias and impropriety within any given area. Prisons imo should just be nicer to hold people until they can calm down or forever if they were a freak. No one is getting raped though and you have a nice toilet and stuff.

Clifton Whittaker

As a whittier alumnia I can tell you that Nixon learned all his dirty tricks from going to that school. He even founded a secret society there.

etienne

I have some level of sympathy for the idea that "abolish all cops and prison" is "bad politics" but you open any news site and it's like okay cool so 150% of every cop uses Flock camera networks to track and rape every woman they know, that's nice, that's awesome

GenZ Poster

Like, imagine being past the age of 30 and not being able to go on a trip without bringing video games

etienne

it's definitely been discussed on the CPAC episode 294

NitroDickclapp III

I think it's the backtracking on a lot of this shit that most ppl find galling. Not singling out Chapo but all the Dem soc revolutionaries of 2018-2020 are all backtracking on the abolish police/prisons, they're not taking on these bad faith attacks with good faith arguments, they're giving ground where ground doesn't need to be given. Explain what "abolish prisons" etc means, don't give in to these bad faith attacks, don't go back on your word. It's very easy for ppl with comfortable lives to think defunding the cops and abolish prisons is a stupid thing to say, to them it's all just academic. Chapo isn't going to jail, cops don't pull them over for no reason, they're living very comfortable lives. If youve been handcuffed and beaten by militarised cops and been locked up in a private prison you see this shit very differently. If you grew up in a neighbourhood where cops fucked up you and your community for sport then you see this differently. Either way attacking the left on this shit is both stupid and mostly bad faith, Chapo knows what ppl mean when they say defund the cops, they're choosing not to understand and acting like to say otherwise makes you an idiot. So we're giving ground to right wing bullshit and letting them take the ground that belongs to us. Bad trade for some lame jokes imo

A

Shout out to you for trying to have this conversation but unfortunately this is not a place for nuance or considering thoughtful rebuttal from non-coastal elites. But I genuinely appreciate your attempts at this and think you did a great job explaining it. Others who do not live in Northern Blue States or on the West Coast will also read this and agree with you. Stay strong friend. ❤️

Ruairi Mc

A few weeks ago I complained about Felix crow barring in references to ASOIAF but frankly it was all worth it for this episode. Hilarious and deep cut references.

Noah Mingus

They replied with a posted link to a video. You don't even have to read.

Noah Mingus

The asylums and the police and the prisons are needed for class war. That's it. That's all you need to know.

Noah Mingus

The DSA does not go far enough. Police, prisons, and asylums are necessary if the workers are not also the owners. Its that simple. We need to cut the crust off this shit sandwhich

Noah Mingus

James, you are subject to reeducation.

Noah Mingus

They should get a real job. Then they would be able to speak with more authority on these matters. Very good entertainment though.

etienne

glad the populace of the comment section is back at writing novels

C W

Ok cool, replace prison with what then? Where do the child molesters go that isn't just prison rebranded? None of you people in here can answer a very simple question and then start sputtering or say go do some extra credit homework if you want to know. It really is not helping you sell the idea to people it just makes you look like a doofus.

C W

Just answer the question, assigning homework is convincing to nobody.

C W

So where do the pedophiles go? Can you be the first person in here to actually give a straight answer? (Probably not)

C W

It's only misrepresenting it for the people who doubleback when called out and go well abolishing the police doesn't really mean abolish. In which case they were stupid to pick that as a slogan to begin with. Either way not helping your case.

C W

Abolition isn't a confusing term for the public. People know what abolish means and think it sounds like an awful idea. It was a stupid term for activists to use and then later have to go no no that's not what I actually meant here do this homework to see what my actual position is.

C W

Probably should have called it reform or clean slate or really anything other than abolish if the intention was to communicate the current system is bad and we need something different. No one to blame but themselves for that one.

Natalie L

It does mean abolishing the police. It also doesn’t mean complete lawlessness with murderers and rapists running rampant because “the police” do not exist to solve or prevent crimes against human beings. They exist to preserve bourgeois order and property and enslave and torture minorities. A new institution that *did* keep people safe through bravery, deescalation, and public service would not be “the police”. Do i think it’s a useful phrase electorally? No, but it’s fucking stupid to act exactly like liberals and conservatives did in 2020 and ask dumbshit questions like “who will stop the spree killers and rapists? do you want complete anarchy??”. It is embarrassing to consider yourself a materialist and willfully misunderstand those very simple concepts for an at best mediocre bit on your podcast. It is definitionally punching left. And if we aren’t materialists and the hosts aren’t materialists then ok, this has just become another lib politics news pod.

Matelda

"Reform" doesn't work because it's the alternative they're defined by rejecting. Abolition specifically opposes a parallel reform movement that is making the system bigger and bigger. I don't know the magic word, but i don't even think the problem is the word so much as the fact that some issues are complicated and have to be understood to be solved, and nothing is less conducive to that than American media, or our "democracy" funded/owned by carceral industries themselves.

C W

That video doesn't even address what to do with the rapists under the part about what to do with the rapists. Yeah we know sexual violence isn't prosecuted now and rapists walk free, so your alternative is ... just let them keep walking free? Neat.

Whistle Dog

Please don’t evoke material conditions to the ideologues, it’s highly triggering.

Sean

Jesus the amount of DSA cope in this comment section is grim. It's almost as if because SOME leftist ideas are 60/40 or even more popular to the general electorate, you assume ALL leftist arguments are. Police/prison abolition has the same favorability as dog shit. It's a utopian, pie-in-the-sky ideal that would only work if we clean up nearly all other societal ills. Have you fuckin' looked around lately? Do you see this country moving in the right direction to someday be free of prisons or police? It's embarrassing to actually be having this argument. What Felix and Will say here is completely rational. And to their point, if you are someone who actually wants to someday live in a world where the power resides with the working class, where do you think we'll need to send all of the bad guys who are preventing that reality from happening?

Coleman

I'm a long time DSA supporter and I agree. The good news is DSA has a way to vote to amend the public platform.

Woke Batou

Weird how all the original BLM organizers got murdered and replaced with lib NGO types who came up with the ineffective position of "abolish the police." 🤔

NJT

As a Floridian fuck you guys I’ll see you next episode.

Ben Gorko

You guys need to start actually supporting socialist candidates again. Otherwise, what even is the point of this shit?

Coleman

> failing to even attempt to imagine a society in which we don’t need modern police and prisons. No, it's prison abolitionists who fail to convince, because in this hypothetical future they would still grant that we need something functionally equivalent to prisons and police. Even if those new institutions are better, they are very obviously functionally equivalent in the abstract sense of "law enforcement". So, when you say "how are we supposed to move beyond capitalism into a society of which no comprehensive vision exists if we don’t have imagination guided by principles?" That's fair, but you're assuming the principles. You are assuming that I want a society without the functional equivalent of law enforcement. I do not. The vast majority do not. It's okay to have different principles. But in practical terms I'd like "abolition" switched to "reform" in public DSA platforms. It's an easier message to get across, and it's more reflective of how we intend to govern.

C W

So, police but we call it something different. Every fucking time with you people.

Coleman

Advocating against the abolition movement is good.

Zen Ben the Elder

Don't worry about it. You wouldn't understand. I'm not invested in trying to get you to understand the point.

Stephen Bruckert

The shit about abolish in this episode is stupid as hell

C W

Crying laughing emoji so we know you're not mad, good call dude. Hey, so answer the fucking question. After police and prison are abolished, what happens to child molesters and murderers? It's a simple question, should be easy to give a straight answer and not dance around it.

C W

If you could just answer the simple question of how the most severe anti social behavior would be dealt with in the future instead of insisting on stepping on the rake every time it would all go away. You understand that right? Because the average person, rightly or wrongly, thinks of crime as someone touching their kids or murdering their loved ones. If you could just provide any fucking answer about how those people would not be able to do that in your anarchist utopia it would be less of a stumbling block for you and you would probably have an easier time advocating for your position. Yet you just can't do it, for whatever reason you love stepping on the rake and then wonder why people consider you unserious.

Ali Rayray

Please dont call me an anarchist, that triggered me this morning. Please. The rest of this i could've just found on reddit. We got concentration camps and a surveillance state, while police mostly spend their time bashing homeless people's skulls for fun and use their privilege to stalk and harass their ex wives. And in an appeal to normal americans, all the "radicals" are now saying they support an army of wife beating animals with badges. The average american is a prototype of the average israeli, it is a genocidal, soulless society filled with zombified consumption mannequins who get off on murder and punishment of those they deem unworthy of humanity.

Axel H.

Prison abolition is an anarchist idea. Not sure why it’s just expected of anyone on the left now.

Timmy V

The "we just need good cops" argument is basically the same as the "we just need to give cops more money for training" argument.

Danny

I’m no longer an abolitionist. Without prisons, we won’t have anywhere to throw all the police!

Shaw Digby

Wtf was that pro police BS? I’m out on AOC for throwing “Woke 1” under the bus. Nothing useful or interesting has been done on this podcast in a long time and now I’m canceling. I’m not interested in lame shit

Chuck Finnley

>Prison abolitionists when we finally arrest Trump

A Sentient Katamari of Bad Life Decisions

That was nowhere near as bad as it was made out to be. Sure, Will's characterisation of the police abolition movement was a bit of a strawman, but let's be real, how is the outcome he described much different than how it would realisticly manifest right now in the US of A. Maybe someday, but listing it as a policy goal in 2026 AD is like demanding the nationalisation of privately owned rail companies in 2026 BC, regardless of its merit we have really have a few more steps to take first as a society first, maybe figure out the steam engine, a bit of thermodynamics theory and a bourgeois revolution or two.

K H

Nice. Full disclosure I will rape anyone that I catch breaking into my house.

Yung Pattawan

While it is very funny that Breivik has made appeals to his human rights to a PS3 because he's sick of playing PS2 platformers, I think I'd be very upset and the cosmic injustice of his "rehabilitation" were my own loved one taken. Props to the euros tho, I wish I could tank life's small inconveniences with the same grace that they accept the worst thing that could conceivably happen to a person.

Occhio

it is alarming that neither Will nor any member of Will’s family can tell the difference between a black vulture and a turkey vulture.

Sophian

Why is it that Anarchists have to not only explain their position, but also make it easy to understand, and also on the platform you are on so you don't have to leave the website. The onus should be on the the defenders of the carceral system to explain, in detail, how putting people in cages, violating every right, exposing them to constant physical and sexual assaults by guards, making them live in filth, forcing them into slavery, and shaking down their family for money to pay for edible food and toiletries, Oh yeah, and then release them without doing any kind of rehabilitation... Helps society. Pro tip: if you show normies what actually goes down in there, it's actually pretty easy to explain our position. You call it "reinventing" things to build mental health hospitals for the criminally insane but if shit doesn't work like how you think, it's not "reinventing" anything it's just conforming to expectations.

Lauren Heinze

The root cause of rape and sexual violence is patriarchy and an ideology that sees women and children as property to be dominated an exploited. Which is rooted in capitalism at its core… this is an incredible strawman ur doing here

William Deverell

what strawman? i agree about patriarchy but patriarchy precedes capitalism by a long long time. however they are obviously intertwined in our world today

President George Sears

"The answer, as always, is to make things 10x shittier." -Most of us, apparently

President George Sears

Hmm, seeing a lot of people here who qualify for the Temperature Bomb...

Wesley

I find really tedious their incessant hate on top-tier cities like DC and SF just because some of the people that live there suck.

Percle

Yeah, nothing says serious like writing an essay for Whistle Dog in the comments.