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634 - Feelin’ Feinstein! (6/6/22) (Patreon)

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2022-06-07 03:21:21
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Between a piece on “the left’s” positions on Ukraine, the NYT’s coverage of the death of Al Jazeera journalist Shireen Abu Akleh, and Rebecca Traister’s new profile of Dianne Feinstein, the theme of today’s episode is “looking the truth in the face and ignoring the most obvious conclusion.”

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Thomas

First

tanmantincan

Hi I’m a chapo sub and im gay

Kaleidoscope Chameleon

just in time I was about to have a wank and go to sleep but now ill just be reminded I live in a terrible world with no hope of it getting better.

Sam

“Ukraine/Russia has grind to a halt”…wut? Russia controls 1/4 of the ground and has annihilated the Ukrainian army. Do you guys really just read the NYT for this?

Clint Pelvis

real nice dunking on a señor c

G. Gordon Litty

Good to see I'm not the only person who thought that cover photo of Diane looked satanic

Zach Pierce

If I was gay Marge green would definitely turn me way straight… Straight into being way more gay! That grill on her oof…marrone

Jessica S

So that guy writes a 4000 word essay to say without directly saying that he has a bone to pick with the GZ? He can’t dedicate those words to showing where they went wrong? Does anyone know how to construct an argument anymore, or are we all fluff now?

Jessica S

I can’t believe it’s real. There’s no way to interpret that as complimentary in any way. Lends truth to the idea that her cognitive decline is so complete that no one even considers she’d recognize herself in the mirror, no less on a magazine. Maybe it’s a secret cry of elder abuse. Or did she die and I missed it?

K H

Why the fuck would you make this the thumbnail of something you drop at midnight? Absolutely horrifying notification. What's wrong with you.

plainwrap

I don't think I'll be able to stomach all of the self-serving books written by Democrat insiders in 2025 revealing the shocking news that Biden was even more fucked-up than Reagan and everyone in the party secretly knew that his presidency would push the country towards perpetual right-wing rule. Oh, the stories they can't wait to tell us.

Will Griffin

Felix doing England apologia feels like a deep betrayal to the Chapo project. No one did anglophobia like Felix, and now look at him, jubilee and all.

AKorgar

Long term use of adrenochrome has some fucking side effects I guess

AKorgar

Homey has taken contrarian takes too far

Bob Duvall

At least Strom Thurman had the decency to die

Bob K Ross

fucking Cliche Chris plays the pixies of course. Hes never heard of Zevons My Shits Fucked Up, because he will never be a man like yung chompsky

BossHoss

Just today NYT was writing about how the Ukrainians can’t use the weapons we sent them because they aren’t trained. Also couldn’t do maintenance because all the equipment is on Imperial measurements and Ukrainians only had metric tool sets. Go America!

Shiv

boys, it’s “Fine” looking RL “Stine” and when you say it wrong it’s li you’re complaining about a different terrible 89 yo

BigBoto

Hey buddy!

Ascetic Blur

At this point the conservatives in the United States are just doing performance art.

Flesh Colored Subaru

Rebecca Traister famously wrote the worst paragraph ever about American politics where she went on at length comparing Hillary Clinton to Princess Leia

Flesh Colored Subaru

"The idea that, at this point, there is some version of Hillary Clinton that we haven’t seen before feels implausible. Often, it feels like we know too much about her. She has been around for so long — her story, encompassing political intrigue and personal drama, has been recounted so many times — that she can seem a fictional character. To her critics, she is Lady Macbeth, to her adherents, Joan of Arc. As a young Hillary hater, I often compared her to Darth Vader — more machine than woman, her humanity ever more shrouded by Dark Side gadgetry. These days, I think of her as General Leia: No longer a rebel princess, she has made a wry peace with her rakish mate and her controversial hair and is hard at work, mounting a campaign against the fascistic First Order."

AbeLinkin

Just between u and me it’s “madon”

BigBoto

more like Rebecca TRAITOR lololol i'm dumb

justdave

Jesus christ, I fuking hate star wars

justdave

*George Lucas voice* -'Well aah actually she's more like jar jar, because she's racist and an alien'

William

Lol what are you reading? By best estimates Russia is grinding down Ukraine across all fronts and is slowly taking ground from them. Both sides are taking heavy casualties, Ukraine worse than Russia. Ukraine certainly hasn't been "annihilated" as you say and controlling 1/4 of the territory, again, as you say, doesn't mean their offensive hasn't slowed considerably as Russia changes tactics from trying to encircle to ground & pound with artillery. So what the fuck are you reading?

Michael

It's not brave to go fight in ukraine lmao if you join the Ukraine foreign legion, you're an idiot who's accidentally (or not) fighting with literal Nazis in your midst, and I don't give a fuck if you get hit with a missile for your mistake. I will never mourn anyone who fights alongside nazis lmao much love to Russia and the people of Donbass 🙏❤️

Nobody

Can't do anything about Ukraine but let's keep complaining about Israel, which also the left can't do anything about. Feinstein needs to die already.

justdave

You guys rule, I want more honestly- bring back Virgil, where's Amber? All of it, I want more

Evan Scott

it has become orders of magnitude more acceptable to criticize israel over the past 5-10 years, including within institutions of power, and israel only exists as it does because of unquestioning US support?

Gordon Schmidt

Where is Felix getting the idea that the war is turning against Ukraine? Russia has been performing better but it's hardly been decisive, and the Ukrainians are nowhere near the kind of military collapse that would justify some kind of surrender. And we cant forget that, given Putin's reluctance to fully mobilize Russia's military, they do not have bottomless reserves, and they lost an absurd amount of armor in the failed push on Kyiv and the Pyrrhic victory at Mariupol.

William

Well, probably from the fact that recently it's come out that Ukraine is taking heavy casualties, morale is shit, none of the equipment they've needed has worked for them in time, and Russia is falling back into the tactics that won them the second chechen war. Tanks don't matter anymore but nobody wants to admit that. It's just about artillery and taking ground little by little. Russia has four times the pop size of the Ukraine - not sure why you'd think they'd run dry of trained troops before Ukraine does

Clean Shirt Piggie

We’ll know it’s over when Matt Duss goes on Chapo

William

Russia has its own fascists on it's front line you fucking dumbass. The US has supported Nazis all over the world since before, during, and after WW2. And you're calling other people idiots? You, the dipshit moron who can't even see the literal Nazis all around you?

NYCM&AHole

Matt Sus would’ve launched the nukes had Bernie sellout won the presidency (but then he wouldn’t have sold us out so I guess he wouldn’t be Bernie sellout)

Michael

I don't trust liberals to tell me who's fascist but thanks champ. Power to the people of Donbass in their struggle against literal ethnic cleansing 🙏 if you don't support the people of Donbass, you have no right to call anyone else a fascist.

Nobody

Why does violent oppression only matter when it's US backed?

Nobody

If you don't support sanctions against the brutal Taliban regime you can't say you're pro freedom 🙏

Bleepblopp

Man that Feinstein article is good but it is so wild to see the libs all realize maybe we were right at the same time that it’s too late to do much to stave off the worst of the collapse. Like how long was this bouncing around in their noggins? They’re not idiots but they were so content that they didn’t think they’d have to acknowledge anything.

Michael

@nobody that doesn't really track im afraid.

Nobody

You obviously support the brutal Taliban regime

Michael

@nobody unironically yes I do support them in their mission to rebuild their country after years of devastation from countries that house imperialist cheerleaders such as yourself

SF

Hell yeah, 3 reading series in one! Great ep lads

EUGENE HETZEL

And when he comes for his next prize, the tankies will launch the same apologia with some "legitimating" bs like Nazis. We got Nazis too. That mean they can invade us? Screw imperialism. Screw American imperialism. But screw Russian imperialism. All the criticisms of the limp failure to help us all is the right takes, but letting them flounder, even it means sending them weapons despite our legit contempt for military sales, should be tolerated in the moment because Russia aint gonna stop, there is no negotations are gonna stick, and I personally have no patience for Russian Imperialism, just like I have no interest in American Imperalism.

Null_null

Tiny little baby brain. Prose with the cadence of a Michael Rappaport rant, but 20% stupider.

Null_null

Great episode. Genuinely disappointed in your guys' takes on the WaPo guy who sometimes comes on this pod. You see his suspension as a labor issue, but you don't see the issue in having to work with/alongside somebody who publicly who posts an irredeemably misogynistic joke at your expense...? Love you guys. Not trying to concern troll. Just letting you know that it's not a great look.

Jonathan G

What's felix say at 33:02? Everything's above board?

Nobody

Why are you fine with slaughtering civilians to spite the US?

BigBoto

I could be wrong, but I always felt Matt's hatred of the English burned much brighter than Felix's

I am become reply guy

Being an American senator must be the easiest fucking job in the world.

S

Idk man. As a long time listener and Ukrainian-American, these takes on Ukraine have been really uncomfortably bizarre. There are legitimate criticisms to aim towards Ukraine, the role of Nato, Western Europe, and especially the US and the war hogs treating the war like a spectator sport/easy cash grab. But the takes recently feel so hand wavey to the fact that an objectively authoritarian power is being authoritarian.

Ian Woods

I like how the Feinstein article describes straight-up dementia (can’t remember recent questions, recalls events from 60 years ago flawlessly) and just refuses to just fully acknowledge she is and has been a vegetable for the past decade. Why even write it?

etienne

they spend like 97% of their time fundraising, sounds incredibly annoying

William

Lol. Yep, the only Nazis are the ones in azov, good job detective.hey, just curious, what's that Z thing Russian soldiers keep doing?

Michael

The anti-nazi Z symbol that Russian soldiers started wearing when they started fighting Nazis? 😂

etienne

I think they're a lot more inoccuous and realistic than like joe viben saying he's at war with the kremlin and then getting mad when his staffers have to backtrack it

Chad A Eklund

that’s a fucking terrifying image

Camille Shultz

Bets on how long it takes until Milo is caught with his pants down- literally?

Evan Scott

because as a US citizen you have some means of stopping it?

Sifl

If you are going to trash Matt Duss for making a thoughtful attempt to negotiate some very difficult issues in striking out a progressive position on Ukraine, you need to do better than "they're losing, just a color war, who cares anyway, sucks to be them." The left has always stood in solidarity with those who face imperialism and should not throw Ukraine to the wolves just because the West supports Ukraine because it suits the West's geopolitical goals against Russia. We can debate what sort of support is appropriate and what sort of diplomacy needs to happen to try to end the war. But acting like Ukraine shouldn't be of interest to progressives is pretty bad.

Liz

That pic of Feinstein is terrifying. Thanks

Nat Cohen

genuine question - conceding that the tweet was shitty, what do you believe that consequence for that should be? Doesn't this suspension seem disproportionate? I was rolling my eyes last year when people were acting like Toobin getting canned for jerking it during a work call was a failure of labor protections, but this is a different ball of wax imo

Null_null

Bad Food Restaurant -- Person in question is a public figure in a senior role at The Washington Post and everyone on Twitter is acting like the maintenance guy got fired for quoting the latest Dave Chapelle special. If Dave wants to share a workplace with women, he should simply respect them.

Null_null

Nat -- I think it's extreme, but I don't there's anything to be gained by trying to elevate this into a "labor issue." Unless you want to roll into the post left's fascination with people being canceled (especially high profile public figures) as the ONLY labor issue, which it should be noted is exactly what the author of original Tweet did. Immediately. In The Spectator.

etienne

they learned that lesson loud and clear: when there's a mild impropriety scandal tangentially related to you, it is of utmost important that you shut the fuck up about it always uphold shut the fuck up friday.

etienne

actually it's okay to shut the fuck up about issues where you know it's impossible to craft a solid and good position, and it's okay to recognize when someone is trying to wash dirty laundry in public and want them to shut the fuck up

Toby

What does the left supporting Ukraine look like to you? Has anyone asked dogs and cats to support Ukraine yet? They have about the same power as leftists do in this moment.

Richard

Who did Tooze fuck?

orc

Believing in institutions is a form of senility is what I’m getting lol

J P 3

If you measured the success of the Iraq War 5 months into the invasion, it would probably rank as one of the most successful military invasions in world history. e.g. the U.S. and its "coalition" had de facto control of the entire country; Sadaam's regime had completely collapsed, Sadaam himself was in hiding. The Russian invasion in Ukraine will almost certainly end up being a disaster for both countries. e.g. right now the battle lines are not static either -- Russia is making gains in the southeast, after having completely screwed itself in the initial invasion; Ukraine is taking back territory in the south and the east. The Ukrainian economy is completely wrecked, but the Russian economy isn't likely to be in great shape either and will likely see a 40% contraction this year too (even with higher oil prices and revenue from stolen Ukrainian grain). The claims too about flooding the country with weapons and the likely harm that will come from that are valid, but the alternative of Russia completely rolling through the country -- the risk that poses for Eastern Europe -- wasn't exactly nothing either.

justdave

When are you going home to die for the motherland?

justdave

Ceasar wrestled control from Pompeo and the senate in one day, see how you sound?

justdave

Sup, I'm a cumboy and I'm totally staight

J.P. McD.

holdem accountable

J.P. McD.

Mr. Chapo is not “standing in solidarity” (i.e. performing an appropriate level of anxiety and concern).

Teddy Ballgame

WRT to the Duss article — it’s impossible to talk about this conflict without contextualizing THAT IT’S A FUCKING PROXY WAR WE CAUSED THRU NATO EXPANSION & 2014 COUP. What should be the left’s position on it? Our position on it is it shouldn’t have fucking happened because we shouldn’t have made it happen and let Ukrainians get butchered for no reason. If we aren’t gonna send troops to fight the war we caused (which we aren’t) it’s better to give Russia some concessions and let the destruction of Ukraine stop.

Dan

JOHN MEARSCHEIMER GO ON CHAPO lol

Dan

The key thing about the duss argument that chapo boys don’t want really touch is duss’ goal seems to be some kind of global ideological hegemony, and that our view of conflicts around the world should be in that lens. Thats pure liberal logic, often employed by the left. It’s amazing to me how much leftists emulate liberals in order to get validation, nevermind duss’ career aspirations. It’s you can always see left punching in political discussion, because it will always be punching down.

Of course

It's not impossible to craft a good leftwing position. Shut down NATO and arms trafficking, resurrect detente and nonproliferation, drastically reduce US military/surveillance/police spending, and don't give oxygen to Banderites and Russophobes under the guise of "supporting" the Ukraine and lusting after t-shirt clown Zelinsky.

Alex Berkowitz

Yeah but we’re literally giving the Ukrainians superior tube artillery and our prized fucking HIMAR a multiple launch GPS guided rocket artillery. This is the one area I respectfully disagree with the Chapo boys on. It’s right to want an end to empire. It’s wrong to just skip out on the imperial role as a more twisted, even darker pseudo democracy is staking its claim to Europe. The zombie of American empire happens to have its interests aligned with the popular will of Ukraine on this one. And supporting them with weapons both enables the Ukrainians popular will and lets us carry the would-be russian empire to the ash heap of history with us.

Alex Berkowitz

Yeah but so is Russia haha. After they’ve done a full general mobilization and lost 8 bajillion people to finally take the country…..do you think the west will ever stop funding and training the insurgency against them? Ukraines a big place to occupy for a Russia in steep demographic decline. This is the bear trap they can’t get out of

Alex Berkowitz

“AmErIcA iS tHe OnLy NaTiOn to EvEr dO a ImpeRiAlIsM aNd eVeR aLiGnInG InTrEsTs wItH iT Is dUmB”

Alex Berkowitz

I love chapo but they can’t get past the “always oppose NATO” thing. Like there are other, worse bourgeoisie regimes out there. And letting Russia succeed puts fire in the bellies of our own budding fascist movement here…..cuz I hate to say it but there’s as much utility in stopping Russia to discourage the right wing takeover attempt that’s coming in America as there is in stopping Russia for the sake of keeping European democracy alive

J P 3

By "Ceasar" do you mean, Julius Kaiser? The point is not that the Iraq invasion was a success. The point is in response to Felix's claim that Russia has effectively "won" in Ukraine, having effectively occupied 15-20% of the country for a grand total of 4 months. It's too early to say exactly how this situation resolves. However, I don't think Russia's position is likely to be strengthened by a protracted war in Ukraine. I also doubt Ukraine can successfully retake all the territory it has lost either. It's not clear to me that there are any real winners in this situation.

J P 3

It's not actually true that the "left" has always stood in solidarity in the face of imperialism. Castro made a pretty clear choice to back the Soviet Union when it rolled tanks into Prague in 1968 (for the preservation of his own national project). The Chinese backed Vietnam against the U.S., but invaded Vietnam when it went after the Khmer Rouge. Elements of the U.S. left backed the Soviet-line as part of the Moltov-Ribbentrop Pact, and then reversed course, when Hitler invaded the USSR. The left in the U.S. is also too marginal and fractured to really have any influence over this particular policy. Personally, I think arming the Ukrainians against Russian aggression is still justifiable just on the grounds of our own national interest and on the grounds of national self-determination. I see it as akin to the USSR backing the Vietnamese or Iran supporting an insurgency in Iraq in order to push a US invasion of their own country off schedule. In this particular instance, Russia is reprising our role in those other conflicts as the invader.

Sam

Lol you’re just recycling osint trash. Their navy is fucked? Good thing it’s irrelevant considering Ukraine doesn’t have a navy and they control crimea and mariupol. This idea that Russia is running out of tanks omfg hahaha Jesus. How very online of you.

J P 3

Russia occupies ruins in the east and the south. It has devastated its own conventional military to such a degree that it will not pose any conventional threat to Eastern Europe for years. It will take years to rebuild its military after this war, and it will have to do so under the conditions of a depressed economy and sanctions. The country is expected to see a 40% contraction in its economy this year alone. Let's check back in August and see how well the Russian occupation is going.

Sam

Real talk: I would love to check back with you in August. On my fuckin life I’ll suck your dick and Venmo you $1000 if anything you say bears any semblance to reality in august. Shit I’ll give you until October. Easy fuckin money baby. Easy fuckin money. You have no idea what you’re talking about.

Sam

That would be sick but they wouldn’t really know how to interview him. He doesn’t shit post 12 hours a day and discusses actual concepts of international relations that can’t be interpreted by simple reaffirming the same filter that gets applied to everything else.

Of course

Being "anti-imperialist" - in the sense of always opposing one country attacking another - is context-free liberal proceduralism, like being "anti-terrorism" or "anti-bureaucracy" or "anti-war" or "anti-vagrants-sleeping-under-the-bridge". The Kiev regime, put into place after the US overthrew an elected government in 2014, has killed thousands of Russian speakers, shut down Russian-language TV and papers, and caused a refugee crisis near and in Russia. In addition, before Feb 2022, the Ukrainian military - openly exhibiting Nazi slogans and symbols and "heroes" - received billions in NATO arms, interoperability training from NATO, full command integration with the US, and promises of high speed missile batteries and even nuclear ordinance... all on Russia's border. If even Henry Kissinger and Barack Obama can conclude that Ukrainian NATO participation is an existential threat to Russia, how hard would a "leftist" have to work to avoid the associated conclusion that the US is primarily responsible for Russian military action? And why wouldn't any "leftist" use this opportunity to demand the end of NATO and the radical reduction of the US military, instead of siding with rightwing Banderites and liberal Russiagaters and Raytheon to "support" the Kiev puppets?

Dan

If that’s true it’s not because they are not able to it’s because they are afraid to

Peacock Jive

Yeah but you're typing shit too long to read nerd

justdave

I like to imagine milo turns his life around, marries marg, and becomes a true Jordan Peterson paternal figure, just sitting his son down and explaining the world, but by using anecdotes about doing cocaine and blowing dudes

Sifl

So, the left's position should be that the people of Ukraine just have to give up control of their country to Russia because the poor Russians with a nuclear arsenal that can destroy the world a few hundred times over is scared of NATO? And the people of Ukraine will just have to deal with having their journalists murdered, opposition figures imprisoned, poisoned and disappeared and live under a Putin puppet because Russiagate was fake and there are right wing nationalists in Ukraine who managed to control the entire country by getting 2% of the vote in the last election? And giving Russia control over all of Ukraine (tell me that you really think that Russia will stop at Donbas in exchange for a peace treaty so I can laugh in your face) will mean that Russia will suddenly be satisfied that the big bad wolf of NATO is no longer a threat and they do not need to invade Lithuania, Estonia and Latvia and call NATO's bluff?

Peter Cunningham

Man, I thought the Feinstein article was pretty scathing. It never comes out and explicitly says "she's a doddering old mummy who needs to be recalled from office at a minimum," like some might prefer, but it certainly presents her in a light that would lead anyone with two brain cells to arrive at that conclusion on their own. Not sure how you could look at that article and think it's trying to somehow rehabilitate Feinstein's image

Peevish Giraffe

The Feinstein thing reminded me of how she was obsessed with the idea that Anne Kronenberg was going to show up to city hall in biker gear.

etienne

imagine an incredibly dour and depressing episode where they bring back Season 1 mainstays Glenn Greenwald and Matt Taibbi to ask them what exactly is up with all the Transphobia, as of late?

etienne

actually it's very easy and simple to have a left wing position on ukraine you just have to [4 entire screen worth of paragraphs]

Zarathushtra

At least the 80's had like cool movies and good music...

John Kurecki

It sounded to me like you have to have been a terminal article head for a minute to really get the context lol, I gather the author has said dumb stuff about this type of thing in the past and does not grapple with that at all. No real recognition of 'how did we get here (and how did I help)' I guess?

Rxk Lenderman

Getting into a “you’re a fascist” arguement on a podcast comment section is ridiculous but idk both sides have got fascists on the front lines- I don’t know anyway you can spin the Wagner group as anything other fascists. In fact those guys would probably be offended if you didn’t call them fascist lmao

Hector Jaime

I’m politely yet firmly asking that Felix refrain from using the term “hectoring” or I am going to cancel my subscription.

Teksi Crvenović

Virgil’s gone cuz he turned out to be a creep

Dan

I hear you, but there is something I hate about people pretending they were never wrong, and just never reflecting on it having a lifetime gig in front of huge microphone. It just doesn’t have to be that way

Matt Crossin

The dodge here from you guys is always ‘who even reads the Grayzone!?’ despite the fact that you’ve endorsed those shitheads on this show.

ClownBabee24

Do you work for a NATO secretary? Cuz this is idiot shit.

ClownBabee24

At this point, anyone who doesnt immediately start the conversation on Ukraine with the US backed coup in 2014 and 8 years of shelling in eastern Ukraine isnt worth taking seriously

Tea Ess

Supporting the US invasion of Afghanistan because it was aligned with the popular will of the Afghan people ✊

Matt Crossin

Framing the events of 2014 as a U.S. instigated coup is idiotic

etienne

chris where is Slop

justdave

Sorry this is soo fukn good im dying laughing

Patrick It Me

Did you just compliment yourself?

justdave

I'm still dying, it's a great joke

Old Mate

Russia took a lot of ground in the 1st month, gave a shit ton back and is now slowly grinding out in the Donbas anyone who says otherwise is either a moron or shill. Lets not forget they already controlled the 1/2 Donbas, Crimea(depending how you see things) and could launch a land invasion for 3 sides. Americans understanding geography challenge, impossible difficulty.

chetan kadodwala

Literally video evidence of Neo-Con Victoria Nuland doing just that in 2014 but go off king.

chetan kadodwala

They have a small audience compared to others. Also no one has ever managed to refute their reporting.

Sam

People on this thread really don't know what's happening right now. At all. Have you not watched Zelensky or any of the advisors pleas for ammo in the last 3 days? Zelensky himself admits that Russia is inflicting 1k casualties/day and that the east is falling. Ukrainian troops are now 80% conscripts from regional defense. Ukrainian artillery is breaking down and running out of shells. It's been 107 days. Intense continental warfare where one side is clearly inflicting a greater number of casualties and taking more territory against a force that can't replenish it's ranks and is running out of ammo isn't a fucking stalemate. A stalemate literally means that neither side is winning. That is absolutely not the case here.

Matt Crossin

lol you have no clue what you’re talking about.

dddilettante

Absolutely elder abuse — she makes too much money for the people around her (consultants, fundraisers, etc) for them to let her live out her remaining years (months? weeks?) with any decency. I’ve seen footage from 2017 of her sundowning during a vote on the senate floor and being shepherded around by Kamala who literally held her hand to help her vote. Brutal.

dddilettante

DiFi literally older than the Golden Gate Bridge

Isaac

By what means? Voting? lol

Isaac

The US isn't giving weapons to the Ukraine to help Ukrainians they're doing it to hurt Russia. Literally this entire war is about weakening Russia and NATO using the Ukraine as a pawn to do so. They knew that the Ukraine was a red line for Russia and they crossed it hoping to drag Russia into a costly and bloody war that they could use as an excuse to sanction Russia and hurt their economy. This whole thing is a carbon copy of US/Russian conflict in Afghanistan and everyone is blaming Russia when they should be blaming NATO

Isaac

@Matt yeah Bellingcat et al get paid by CIA fronts to disprove them with facts manufactured by the intelligence community all the time!

John

Yeah sorry, my family's Ukrainian. I want to give these people all they need to win. That's all I fucking care about right now. Because Putin needs to lose. I don't see what the fuck this has to do with zionism.

John

Yeah right because Russia had nothing to do with any of that.

Natalie

it's about how supporting an end to the war and supporting the US giving billions in weapons are mutually exclusive

Natalie

@alek berkowitz always opposing nato is GOOD. it is not up to america to run the rest of the world. ending war means ending it, not encouraging it and funding it

Natalie

the point is literally just funding weapons doesn't end the war and usa and the uk will do whatever it takes to try and prolong it 🤷🏼‍♀️

Natalie

why don't you go enlist and fight against russian imperialism in the name of the great USA then?

vanna kinder

Well due to a lot of Ukrainian nationalists wanting their country to turn into i*rael of east Europe (which should be scary for my fellow brown people already treated like shit in that country). Ukranians wonder why they don’t get ally ship from brown people when you all never stood up for us when we were being killed at 100 times the rate you are.