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635 - Total Recall (6/9/22) (Patreon)

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2022-06-10 03:32:08
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2026-06

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We spend the majority of this episode discussing the Chesa Boudin recall, liberal views on crime, homelessness, housing and the reality of bad vibes in urban politics. We also look at Nellie Bowles’ piece in the Atlantic declaring San Francisco a “failed city”. Also: Amy Coney Barrett Catholic sex cult, Nexium & online media drama.

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meow meow

Bring back amber pls

T K

Hey chapo can you guys lean on Nick Mullen to keep doing CT please?

etienne

more like CTE amirite

Alexandr

In glorious workers' paradise, all men and women are Nick Mullen doing Cum Town.

Paul Giamatti

She's gone. If Roe v Wade's eventual overturning didn’t get her to show up she's gone for good.

Mike Mariano

You guys should have had Weigel on—and not mentioned his suspension at all to troll us. Actually the dream guest I want you guys to interview is David Cronenberg; he’s doing a lot of press right now so strike while you can.

ZombiePelican

ACB grew up in the same area of New Orleans as I did and her dad was a priest at this church and the school attatched are in my old neighborhood which has now been overtaken by rich douchebags since after Katrina, every time I drive by there to see my dad when the kids are out for recess it's almost a 1 to 1 of how Hitler Youth looked

justdave

All better options than reading this, whatever perfect take you were hoping for lost its relevance in 1947 when they cloned hitler (and it turns out he's you)

T.A. Martin

If Ms. Bowles has a problem with San Francisco's growing lawlessness, I would invite her to move to success cities where the local government has a "git tuff on crime" policy like two of my favorites, Little Rock and Memphis. I'm sure she'll fall in love with those towns all over again.

Ozzie

Dumbass me thinking about Nexium the heartburn medication and confused as fuck for 5 minutes

Alexandr

THIS GIRL'S EATING BOX!!!

B2B Commuter

Besos allows the soft handed toddlers of WaPo to have a union so that he can use their actions to undermine unionization efforts where they matter: in the warehouses and on the trucks.

Gordon Schmidt

My hope is that they let Adam take over the podcast and Nick ends up doing it every other week because he has nothing else going on in his life

Brian Jerse

I'll name my cult Prilosec

Matt

All I want is to play D&D with my buds and the world is falling apart :(

Feedbag

What in the princess diaries is this bitch talking about?

Sam McManus

Saw the title and was hoping for a Verhoeven movie mindset ep

Shauna Seroquel

Gurl, holy shit wait can you share the link to that RedScare rosary site?

Hudson

Cant win with a name like Boudin, basically large turd in French

BigBoto

Will: "The more time you spend inside your house, the more afraid you are of what's outside your house." This describes my boomer parents and their friend group so perfectly it's spooky. So much of nasty reactionary thought stems from this, and it cannot be overstated.

BigBoto

29:10 Matt was on the front page of the NYT wearing a fedora??? totally missed that. He is truly the total package.

aKg

I can’t speak for SF as I’ve never lived there, but for years I’ve put forth a concept to people I meet that while $300K/yr might seem like a fortune to someone making $30K a year, both of these populations feel squeezed or threatened in some capacity that they are one mistake away from total collapse. Not to try and garner sympathy for those making all that money, but to try and inspire some solidarity against the real hoarders of resources. I guess the flaw here is I never meet anyone making $300K so…

Michael Coutts

Nxivm ripped off Scientology but Raniere fucked up by bringing sex into it.

nicedickdude

Two sunburnt guys blowing crack smoke in each other’s assholes is neoliberalism.

Jim McKenna

The Nexium people deserve whatever they got, but most of the culprits got away by sprinting to the media claiming they were victims. But to be honest everyone involved is such an insufferable twat it’s hard for me to care. Any of them could be eaten by rats and I wouldn’t care.

Doug Cartel

A friend of mine talked about briefly living in idaho and watching local Idahoans panic about the influx of Californian migrants. Maybe the Californians were fleeing?

FeloniousUnc

Personal vendetta aside, that was an absolutely beautiful takedown of Nelly Bowles😩👌🏽

Evan Scott

We dont talk as much about suburban brain rot anymore because it's everywhere now

Doug Cartel

Side note I dated a girl who was bi AND bi, she was cool if a little weird. Just shouting out to that subset, you're cool

Evan Scott

Yeah the queen of England can feel squeezed who cares

blackFFillip

Why bother with a cult if there’s no sexy stuff tho

N.L. Ington

Matt really is such a Luke from Emily in Paris

Michael Coutts

Don't have to get a real job, money, control over others, etc

etienne

San Francisco politics must be contained and quarantined. we cannot tolerate any of it infecting the rest of the country.

etienne

having control over hot women and not fucking them? what the fuck is the point then? having lots of time from not working and not spending 7 hours in an orgy? what do you get off of, spreadsheets?

Michael Coutts

All I'm saying is L. Ron Hubbard was the most successful cult leader and he kept his dick in his pants

etienne

died maidenless

etienne

on some Warren Buffett shit fingering my dick that's so limp it rolled back inside while updating the CSV file of how many followers I got and how many 10/10 smokeshows I'm not currently in the process of doing freak hypno sex with. Sitting inside the 3 bedroom house I bought off my parents for 35 000$ out of my trillion dollar fortune. worrying about the availability of parts for my 1997 Subaru Forrester. Getting meta-horny thinking about that time I first saw ankles poking under a long skirt in 1936

Of course

Rich Benjamin wrote a book called Searching for Whitopia in 2009. One section of it deals with mountain time zone states filling up with white California refugees and the tensions that caused.

justdave

I think white people, and most people look cool in dreadlocks- I know I'm a racist, I'm sorry

justdave

I've also never had the courage to try it out

Ben Baczkowski

I do live in SF and I think this is essentially correct. Most tech workers are making more like 150k, which is the 'median' income level here, and even though thats 2.5% more than I make, they really one fuck up away from being destitute.

Scott Harding

If you're poor, it means God doesn't favor you. If God doesn't favor you, why should anyone else.

Scott Harding

The solution to homelessness is housing.

etienne

it's really cool how the most allegedly liberal state in the US has a Reagan governor era property tax cap that make impossible for municipalities to gather funds to actually *do* anything. same with Colorado!

etienne

they have to do ballot voter initiatives that go like "uwu can we tax some thing at .01% to fund a transit or a public housing or whatever 👉👈" and the result is usually just "no : )" and so the admin can do whatever it wants as long as it costs zero dollars and accomplish nothing. so in effect the Inland Empire snake eaters have complete control over budgets

Budget Hireling

I am uncancelling Dave Weigel so that he can answer for his crimes of erasing the experience of women who are BOTH bisexual and bipolar.

Budget Hireling

Sorry Mack! Best I can do is a refundable tax credit for dog clothing! Come on, man!

Kyle Sargent

You guys just did an ep about how the Dems can only interpret criticism of them as “people aren’t getting the right messaging”. Now you’re saying anyone who thinks things are objectively bad re: homelessness, open drug use etc. need a fact check. It’s the same thing!

blackFFillip

does will have a stutter or is it an affect?

Maxwell Harkness

The Boudin recall is proof positive that Philly has more swag than San Fran.

BigBoto

Are you accusing my man of being some corny Hugh Grant muhfukka? How about...no.

Rarmeme

it always did lol, SF is aweful

Dan

I love how serious this ep is after the fact with boudin and like a couple of weeks ago you all had the most annoying “lefty” wanna be chapo on to talk California politics.

justdave

If your uneducated you deserve less, if you had a bad child hood it's because you were to blame, if your lonely or scared, angry depressed, it's because you don't know how to embrace the gifts of the universe that I Madeline (maddie❤) was able to one afford, and two also resent

Michael Branes

american catholicism is just pretentious protestantism... oh my god, that's why I love david lynch so much!!!

Null_null

Love when kids who went to Oberlin and Bard and never had real jobs lecture me on what constitutes workplace safety. It's rad, really.

Simon

i think the mainstream reaction and rationalisation of the boudin recall was fascinating and I'm delighted to hear further discussion

justdave

I used to teach (babysit) autistic children, if the world was this 🤏 different, it wouldn't fucking matter- the greatest curse in this country is to be unloved for benign bullshit

Jack

Been surreal to have listened to this show for the past couple years and not heard a word on the rise of violent hate crimes against Asian people. There have been assaults, shootings, and murders. The racist murders of Vicha Ratanapakdee, Angelo Quinto, 8 people in Atlanta, Guiying Ma, Zhiwen Yan, and so many others all totally ignored.

emalco

I should’ve taken Will’s advice to women listeners to turn off the episode 10 minutes before the end, if only to avoid the live reaction content of the Chapos trying to stifle their amusement at the firing of a woman who was mean to their media friend, thus contradicting their frequently stated position that it’s bad to celebrate when someone gets fired, even when it’s your ideological enemy :( I would go re-listen to the very moving episode they did after the Roe v Wade SC opinion leak to remind myself they do take sexism seriously, but that would be too pathetically parasocial on my part, and I have very little dignity left anyway after posting on a Patreon comment section.

Null_null

I feel like they've spoken broadly about the rise in hate crimes against Asian people as it relates to openly hateful bipartisan political messaging re: China and North Korea. But I could be wrong.

Jack

They're opposed to China hawkery. That isn't the same as directly discussing say a white guy in Atlanta shooting up three massage parlors and killing 8 people - 6 of whom were Asian women. There's specific real life effects of American imperialism and its messaging in this country. They're also broadly against Zionism, but people probably would've noticed if they never mentioned Shireen Abu Akleh.

alex d

Chesa (chay-za) had a cop arrested for tampering with evidence in SF's Tenderloin (lol). He went after an abusive cop during BLM rallies. They changed details of at least one arrest to make him look "criminally irresponsible" and the media loved the story up until it was found out that facts were stretched. I'm paraphrasing but the story is way bigger than the vibes.

justdave

I think the need to throw a jab as you leave the room is a problem all of us in this communityless community face, these corporate assholes Wan t us all to hate and resent each other, for mistakes, opinions about things, that don't matter, all I'll say is that when someone tries to get you fired, your whole world falls apart, it's terrifying, and in my experience, people who do that should be fired

Null_null

No I’m saying they’ve directly connected that hawkishness to the uptick in violence against Asian people. Shireen Abu Akleh’s murder is a direct example of state violence by one of America’s closest allies, so clearly yeah it would’ve been noticeable if they had skipped over it!

Jack

They haven't. You have, though, and that is good.

Null_null

That’s disappointing. I guess I’m confusing my pods.

justdave

It's an incredibly tasteless joke, and I can't wait for a really funny woman to come up with a really good come back

Folks,,

Do you think "was mean to" is an accurate description of what Felicia Sonmez was doing? And they say they shouldn't celebrate it because it's not good for an employee to get fired.

justdave

Who's that one chick whos always on cumtown ? You know, cumtown that show about being a little dik idiot with stupid ideas

Mark Schneider

I lived in the Bay Area 1989--2021, but always in or near Oakland, SF itself always too expensive; it was still pretty fun when I got there, the gentrification killed any remaining "subversive" vibe-- a good turning point indicator was when Chelsea (then Bradley) Manning was named a Gay Pride Grand Marshall in 2013-- the Geo. Schulz--Willie Brown Imperial squad stepped right in and quashed that immediately!! So of course the likes of Contessa Bowles will pretend to luvv her some Leather Daddies, at this point they're all rich or trust fund kiddos like here so it's not a "problem" like poor people. are.

Alejandro Pepsi

Listening to the outro music Imagining Dave in a dark room ordering "babe of the month" calendars and "no fat chicks" signs to hang up in his Post cubicle on his return.

Mark Schneider

Oh yeah, here's one of the Greatest Hits of the SF Aristos that popped into my head-- the tony Presidio Terrace 'hood where DiFi and Pelosi once lived had a $14 annual property tax assessment for the entire Presidio Homeowners' group-- which, being Who They Were, they simply declined to pay "for some 30 years", imagine that!! Some other Richie Riches swooped in & bought the street, I guess soaked their fellow swells, seems close to poetic justice. Link is https://freebeacon.com/culture/couple-buys-street-pelosi-feinstein-lived/

Doug Cartel

I'll have to check that out someday, thanks.

Gay Tito

I wasn’t alive during the 90s but in a period of a month (April) a guy got shot in his car a block from my place, people broke into the second floor garage of my building smashed all the car windows and I almost got mugged right outside my building. And I live in a relatively safe part of St.Louis. I know this isn’t data driven but People are fleeing the central city once again. Unpopular opinion but BLM was a huge mistake not for its aims but it actually just made everything worse especially in STL. Cops won’t do shit now. Also STL city has the funds to end homelessness immediately. the city they could pay the rent for every homeless person in the city with the money that is set aside for homeless services but it’s all used up doing god knows what.

Woke Batou

On the homeless issue, anarchists are particularly ill suited to provide answers

Gay Tito

Jew, Muslim, Black people, Hispanics, trans-women, and gay men still more likely to be a victim hate crime. Welcome to the club Stop being an ethno narcissist. Yes there was a rise but what do you want to do about it? All anti-hate campaign make no sense because they are target towards people whole already agree. The sad truth is that we all are just collateral damage. No amount of talking about anti-hate is going to change the culture of rising right wing extremism only material reform could do that.

John & Athena Parker

More and more I feel the most important book I read in elementary school was "The Pushcart War".

Jack

I don't want Chapo to pose with BTS. Obviously this violence ends with the end of American empire. My point is it would've been notable if they hadn't talked about Tree of Life, or Buffalo, or El Paso, or Pulse.

justdave

If men had half the flair and creativity women have they'd make their own 'no fat chicks' signs instead of ordering them online

Charvis Blutchard

It’s time to admit it folks: Chesa Boudin’s name is too dumb and annoying to be involved in public life

james

remember when Felix got robbed in NYC

Camille Shultz

I'm sorry but this article is beyond misleading. I grew-up in the Bay Area in the 80s and 90s and the "homeless problem" has ALWAYS been a huge issue. This is not because Boudin wanted to institute diversion programs instead of jail time for certain crimes. This is just bullshit. Hitting on the real estate issue is key, mostly because SF is a small city without any more space to build and, thus, prices determinably rise. The primary and most useful way to help is to instill a Wrap Around service which includes housing, employment training, and mental health services. And, Matt hit the nail on the head- this will lower prices.

Will

Could someone explain the Washington Post thing? Like what happened to lead to this guy being suspended and what the union had to do with it?

fxdpt

Dave Weigel retweeted a joke that many read as misogynistic. He then removed it and apologized after being called out on twitter by colleague Felicia Sonmez. Weigel was suspended for 1 month no pay, Sonmez continued to talk about it for the following week since she had reported similar issues to management throughout the years to little response and had previously been reprimanded for tweets. At the end of the week she got fired. People have been talking about unions because WaPo ostensibly has a union but it’s open shop so membership is not required. Some view the lack of response of the union re: suspension and firing over tweets as subpar for what unions should do for the employees they are supposed to protect.

Conor

I wish they had started crying over it, instead

justdave

No, the cool chick

Shimosanz (Brian Sanchez)

You gotta be kidding me with this. Sonmez was clearly trying to get Weigel fired, then when she got him suspended without pay did an end zone dance for a week so hard that she got herself fired. If you can’t see the humor in that I don’t know what to tell you. Also Felix explicitly said that he doesn’t want to see anyone fired, so you’re just lying there. This so mopey, jesus

orc

West coast is a sick place lol

Jack Perry

Idk I lived in SF for about 7 years up to now and I haven’t noticed worse “vibes” with chesa boudin as DA. I really think it has more to do with just the volume of anti boudin propaganda pumped out by real estate interests. It’s intentional messaging that warps perception, not the intrinsic quality of life around town

Clint Pelvis

low energy garbage like the ep

Matthew Black

Sadly no mention of her lovely wife, a noted journalist in her own right

BROTHER TO BROTHER

I live in San Francisco and am from here and I am a bartender, do not have healthcare, and I think you people are annoying.

Michael Landreth

Unspoken but understood and god bless the two of them for finding each other.

Jameson .

Classic Koch brother

justdave

Oddly enough, I think Jamaican men look better bald (and naked)

justdave

This doesn't make sense but it's an epic comeback, the person deleted, and I'm not gonna cus its funny to me

FeloniousUnc

When they mentioned him on this episode, I was somewhat shocked that I haven’t heard them call him out for that total bullshit. If they have, I somehow missed it.

Gentlesir

The cumulative effects of all the crime and the response to that crime is necessarily much larger than it was in the 90s. That’s part of why vibes are worse than back then. But also, the focus on violent crime was to the exclusion of things like burglary, and far more people have their cars stolen than are killed!

Jennifer Reft

I agree with generally everything said on this episode-but the idea that mayors have *no* ability to increase housing is bullshit. They absolutely do, not enough to end it, but definitely enough to move the needle, they choose not to.

Jennifer Reft

Yep-as someone married to a union lawyer I can say with assurance that a union IS there to protect you when you do something stupid. The fact that there was no union response to any of this indicates that for practical purposes WaPo journalists don’t really have union.

blackFFillip

Nah, just figuring out if it’s okay to make fun of him

J.P. McD.

SF has passed ballot initiatives for housing and mayor London Breed simply refuses to actually spend the money and nobody bothers her about it.

J.P. McD.

They did say homelessness and open drug use are bad, they explicitly addressed that and the left’s stupid “no it’s fine actually” attitude about it.

J.P. McD.

Why are you sorry

J.P. McD.

There’s more visible homelessness, more closed stores and restaurants, more private security in retail stores, and more things locked behind plastic. (Has nothing to do with Boudin of course, it’s mostly the pandemic.)

Matthew Black

Another awesome and closely related function of a Union is it can do friendly non-judgmental vetting of what is an actionable grievance vs a 3am rant, since most people are carrying around combinations of both

Loco Lobo

Actually I came up with the joke and Will copied it from me

justdave

Ya dudes suck

justdave

*me naked in front of a mirror holding my stomach* - 'I want babies'

Malika Nash

I hate to point this out but nyc has been on a building spree since 2015 to “significantly increase affordable housing options.” Yes same city that, as you pointed out, rents are now so high realtors won’t let you see an apartment unless you can prove you’re rich enough. De Blasio issued twice as many permits the first year in office as Bloomberg ever did. And all that this construction sprawl has done is give developers 100% tax abatement incentives and INCREASED rents and prices. So it seems like the argument that we need more inventory really only benefits the developers, the politicians and the wealthy (some of whom don’t even live in New York) to use the city as a piggy bank. Not sure “more inventory” is actually helping anyone who isn’t already rich.

Malika Nash

“In May of 2014, Mayor Bill de Blasio announced details of his ten-year, $41 billion plan to build and/or preserve 200,000 units of affordable housing. “Housing New York: A Five-Borough, Ten-Year Plan” projected that 60% of the units would be preservations, and 40% would be new construction. The majority, 58%, were slated for “low-income” residents (defined at the plan’s inception as $42,000- $67,000 for a family of four), with 22% geared for residents making more than this amount, and 20% for residents making less than this amount.8 That plan has now been modified and expanded. In “Housing New York 2.0,” released in November of 2017, the de Blasio administration outlined a plan to complete the promised 200,000 units of housing two years ahead of schedule, and add another 100,000 units to the goal, for a total of 300,000 affordable units by 2026. The new guidelines call for 55.5% to be affordable for “low- income” families making between 51% and 80% of Area Median Income (as of FY 2020 $51,200-$81,920 for a family of three), with 19.5% geared toward residents making more than this amount, and 25.0% for residents making less than this amount.”

Dan

Pinning everything on leftists is so hot right now.

Fresssh is Dope

I didn't know who Nellie Bowles was. I read her Atlantic essay and looked her up. I discovered she is married to Bari Weiss. Of fucking course she is married to Bari Weiss. The perspective in the Atlantic essay reads like something Bari Weiss would say on Bill Maher.

Nort Dangus

Boo-Deen fellas, boo-deen. Nate from San Francisco. Otherwise nice work 👍

Blingo Starr

I want chapo to pose with bts

Pedro

You boys should unlock this episode. ‘Twas a good one!

Hector Jaime

Jeez, no need to go “global” here. The main point, according to the media, was that SF’s Asian residents were frustrated with the lack of police response to property and hate crimes directed at them. Never mind that SF police has historically never done anything about those things. And to counter that, the city’s black and Hispanic residents bear the brunt of violent crime, and that is down.

Hector Jaime

It’s telling that the recall campaign success party happened in the Marina. I’d like to see a breakdown of who voted for it based on neighborhood.

Derp

This episode is gold.

justdave

I know what you mean, and I hate you for reminding me

Nolyn Mason

these guys are starting to resemble the whiny ass bleading heart libtards journilst in a dirty harry movie...this is a bad trend...

James Wallace

If they're anything like every other lesbian couple I know they fucking hate each other and are miserable. Thank God.

CS

if only

CS

it is amazing how hard london breed sucks. wish i had a partner that capable.

CS

i hate to admit you are right (and i despise SF)

William

what the fuck are you talking about

Jamin Kreighbaum

Do you think they might have been cucked at some point, perhaps causing cringe to become a "whole thing"?