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We’re joined by elections analyst Ettingermentum for a critical look at the career of Ronald Dion DeSantis: from his rise as an marine lawyer turned Obama-era tea party author, to his now-flailing Presidential campaign, DeSantis has managed to fail upwards to the peak of Republican politics, then fumble the bag as soon as the spotlight hit him. We also touch on the seemingly inevitable Biden v. Trump rematch in 2024, and what the Dems and GOP might look like once these two mummies finally relinquish their mutual grips on their parties.

Find the Art of Losing: DeSantis series, Trump VP and Candidate tier lists, and all of Josh’s writing here: https://ettingermentum.substack.com/

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Jack

it’s semen, man

Ben

First

J. A.

GO LIONS. LIONS REAL GREAT LAKES FOOTBALL TEAM

JD Nonce

There’s sugar in this slop, man

Nick

I’m telling you guys he’s a psyop to make sugar seem cool

R K

Ron DeSadness

Major bit me

Ron DeSantis: the one Florida politician the Fanjul brothers couldn’t buy🫡

Warbs

Love this kid, great ep.

Jake Zydek

Ron DeSantis (he/him)

Greg

*James adomian Gorka voice* AHHH MR. MENTUM…

Dan

Why has no one gone with Ron DeSantos? It’s a dig on both those toads, or is it that Santos is actually, crazily, a success?

Max Joyner

Oh hell yeah love this guy

T

Will on LBJ: "5 guys could dickride him at once." Bravo

skrrt vonnegut

is bong gyno the tits i'm growing from smoking too much pot

werp

virgil texas

Pvt. Jenkins

What if Biden becomes so demented that he actually does something good by accident

shawntootle

This guy should be a co-host. Good stuff

Dan

Afghanistan withdrawal?

Dick Wolf

Squoze? Will, you are truly too good to us who are suffering from a severe Pilko deficiency

Methew

Edge to your hearts content, but under no circumstance whatsoever are you to bust. And that applies to you all.

KatrinaJadeHelm

Larry’s trying to put a lot of goddamn money back in my pocket asking for a full Patreon refund there. That’s even cooler than sucking off Obama

KatrinaJadeHelm

Best guests right now are Josh, Roth, Friedland, Kath. Follow these wonderful gals

Andrew Cross

they keep forgetting about Lyndon LaRouche running for president from jail for two or three election cycles!!!

Sam

So Felix is reading Master of The Senate. One of my favorite books I’ve ever read.

jay alan

IT’S SUGAR MAN!!

Sam

You already had an episode titled this

Ardy Rezv

Part of this was like a Biden commercial lol

Brian

Great guest. But his mic always makes it tough to make out what he’s saying. It all blends into one big “yeah”. Or at least for my audio set up

Keith Jackewicz

Ettinger is a decent pundit, but it’s disheartening how many young Leftists are just Dem horse race watchers doing memes about governors.

jack flowers

2020 was crazy. I don't understand why it is not obvious to y'all why biden is running again. He got in because he was the only guy who could keep bernie down. If he doesn't run again, that window is blown open. Who else they have that can keep the party under control? He is so so old, but bernie may genuinely have decided to run again in an open primary.

Turlough Kelly

I think Ettinger is pretty openly a progressive liberal who likes spreadsheets, wouldn't categorise him as a leftist

Baby Bobby

Let’s go Palm Beach County shoutout thanks gay Ron

etienne

close! that's a Trump policy

Hilary is Pant-suited Syphilis

I kind of want to go to a DeSantis campaign rally in a giant Kool-aid man costume and hand out packets of sugar and have them chase me away.

B2B Commuter

Bernie still hasn’t announced if he’s running for senate again. I really doubt he had a third run in him.

PS2: Judgement Day

I could get behind this kid being the new Beltway Garage guy

Michael Ouderkirk

Not only was the Larry Sinclair story a DeSouza hand-me-down, I remember hearing it first peddled way back in the day by an even more sub-DeSouzian source, muthafukin' JEROME CORSI back in 2009 when Sinclair self-published a book about sucking off Obama in (I'm backing up Felix on this) Peoria. You can buy a hardcover copy on Amazon (in Acceptable condition) for the low low price of $956.62. Barack Obama & Larry Sinclair: Cocaine, Sex, Lies & Murder? https://a.co/d/6ZqUBsU

Zach H.

This helps complete my thesis that Ronnie D is Nixon without the charisma

James Roche

Love it when Ettingermentum pops in

BureaucracyNow

Unfortunately there are four non-Trump people who could sit in the big chair: Biden, Vivek, RonDe, and Kamala freaking Harris

Danny

stop cop city ep when

Max Headroom

Me too, as long as they keep an eye on his DMs this time

Tyler Sloan

Lie detector tests have the same efficacy as IQ tests. Fun fact.

Aaron Harrison

Biden's already in his lame duck period. He's not doing anything for the next fifteen months

Null_null

Biden is the guy they picked to beat Bernie. Mayor Pete would've beaten Bernie if Dem Party leadership had decided to throw all their support behind him. Instead Obama called Pete and asked him to drop out 'cause it was Biden's turn. Why else would the mayor of a tiny Midwestern city be running the Department of Transportation.

Duncan

i know a couple people who went to uni with him. he's just a polsci dork. never saw hide nor hair of him at any campus leftwing activities

Karl Childers

o shit, spanish civil war series? tight

MTH

Of course they kinda gloss over why De Santis was so popular during COVID. Chapo was always so out of touch on school closings. I’m still a Patreon but they almost lost me during COVID. Amber once said something about the horror of virtual school but she’s been gone since then.

Maouriceltic

I remember when Dave Anthony on west wing thing went into one of his full throated rants about how Dems would get "creamed!!!! creamed!!!!" by Ron Desantis. Upon hearing that, I was like "man Desantis must be the far right George Clooney." Than, I heard him speak and realized he sounded like Eddie Deezen, and realized I could sleep at night and that Dave Anthony is an idiot.

Keith Jackewicz

You can be an anti-social Leftist. Best form of Leftism imo!

Jö

Felix Saying Cargo Cult is now a Free Space on your Chapo bingo card

T

It's her turn

Kryn Benski

Clip the sugar lore at 32:55 for the youtubes

etienne

my pet theory is that at some point everyone wants to pick at least the occasional W and if that w is in the form of center-centrist dems demolishing republican incumbents by double digit in swing stats then fuckit I'll take it

K102.1FM Mornings w/ Jonny Corndogs

Underrated Thanos-Copter reference at 24:33. Precision guided riff dropped from a Northrop Grumman B-2 stealth bomber at extreme altitude.

Poppy Chulo

How about Chapo Chop House, a chapo themed steakhouse where the waiters impersonate Felix, Matt, Will, Chris, or Amber and talk to you while you eat about politics, or current events.

Chantz

Only if I'm allowed to kill my waiter at the end

Munir hakim

Where did Larry call out chapo?

Evan O'Reilly

The ones with medium accounts are maybe. The ones doing actual organizing aren't generally getting interviewed by podcasts.

Ian H

I legitimately had to skip back twice before I realized what the "alehnday coup" was supposed to be.

K102.1FM Mornings w/ Jonny Corndogs

I don't know, I feel like my waiter shouting SHUT UP, SHUT UP, SHUT UP, SHUT UP, SHUT UP, SHUT UP, SHUT UP, SHUT THE FUCK UP, SHUUUUT UUUUUP!!!11 while I ask what's the difference between cheesy chicken boats and chicken flippin dippers would really sour the meal

etienne

"yeah can I get the slop? thanks"

etienne

Chapo Trough House

Maxwell Harkness

at this point, if they're a two term president, 6 years of that is being a lame duck.

Maxwell Harkness

Nixonian sweatiness and paranoia, Reagan (post-86) intellect, Donald Trump's Body, Gerald Ford's personality

Raphael Wakefield

No, the schools were right to have been closed. The mistake was not mandating vaccines for students and teachers.

Keith Jackewicz

Nah, he’s just old and a bit doofy sometimes.

Keith Jackewicz

Nobody *liked* school closings, but pretending they were some affront to God when any halfway competent strategy (which, granted, ours was most certainly not) would have included them is LaLa land stuff.

Keith Jackewicz

At this point, “actual organizing” has to be seen as cope. DSA membership is going down, not up. Union density is going down, not up. The favorability of socialism is going down, not up. If being a Leftist is acting in a way that makes Left policy preferences into more likely outcomes, spreadsheet weenies are not doing any worse than the organizing types. Gretchen Whitmer has done measurably more for the poor and marginalized than the DSA since Bernie has. I’m not saying that triumphally, but we have to be real that what we mostly have is a subculture.

Harper Big Spender Karabees

This isn't the first time they've rallied against the Cyrillic alphabet, but I have to say...would you really rather those languages looked like Polish?

PraiseTheSun

The Biden is so old game is great for lib parties.

Charlie Moe

That David Sacks substack sounds pretty cool…

Bloggystyle

Great episode. I suggest more Ettinger. He really meshes well with the terrible trio.

Jimmy McMillan

KEEP MY FAVORITE PODCASTERS NAME OUT OF YOUR MOUTH!

Jimmy McMillan

A lot of people were afraid of Meatball 🧆 Ron. Dave was just ringing the alarm about a competent fascist coming in after Trump. Thank God DeSantis has turned out to be a whiny weirdo and the GOP doesn't seem to have any competent fascists in their ball pin so far

james

We got SO CLOSE to Felix talking about Phil Hellmuth in this ep…. I’m not giving up hope yet

MKatieUltra

Wild leprosy fact, 95% of all people have natural immunity

Methew

And debatably the sanctions null it anyway

Kamran Husain

i’ll keep paying even if it’s free so i get a direct line for my stupid questions now?

Pat M

How you just gonna come on a podcast sounding like Ed Kemper?

B2B Commuter

The better you get at making history politics, the worse you get at political analysis IRL.

Jessica Rios

I want my refund for the last two year or else imma sue

Poppy Chulo

Opie and Anthony had some really funny moments, especially when Patrice O'Neal and Bobo were on the air at the same time. Anyone remember when they had the British woman on and had her pretend to want to date Bobo and by the end of the show everyone except Cumia and Bobo had walked out. Bobo was wailing and crying and Anthony was just mumbling and ignoring him. Lol

James Blackmon

He's a very good guest on this podcast.

Jessica Rios

Is Matt having a kid? Is that why he’s going off the grid?

Adam Gorvin

Yep. I think his wife is due very soon. She's on twitter if you want to keep up with that @ambercrollo

Jimmy McMillan

If you want to know about Matt's personal life, you can also listen to his wife's podcast 'Low Culture Boil'

Alexandr

An anti-materiel rifle shot to the dome of comedy.

Alexandr

If you CARED about school closings in the sense of 'I think my child is being stunted and actively harmed somehow by not being forced to go to the indoctrination center to have their soul raped for 5 days a week, 9 months out of the year' you are a simpleton and shouldn't be allowed to have any.

MTH

It’s a divisive topic and we’ll never agree. But it’s telling that Chapo steers clear of it. Public schools are one of the most socialist institutions that exist in the US, and they played big part in a few prior elections, but they don’t want to wade into it unless it’s about a teacher strike.

MTH

It’s interesting how “indoctrination center” is almost exactly how our local right wing radio guy refers to them. The school talk is one of those bizarro areas where far left and far right become 1.

Petrorenminbi

Serbo-Croatian: choose your own adventure!!

Petrorenminbi

Googled “elundeh coup” and somehow got a correct “did you mean” suggestion

MTH

Is this a different wife than the librarian one described in the infamous New Yorker article by Jia?

MTH

Never mind, I googled and figured it out

Jessica Rios

I don’t care about his personal life and the one time his wife was on the podcast, I found her annoying. lol. I was just listening to his Cush vlog and he said he was going off grid soon and that “some people knew why.” I just kind of guessed that must be it. I wish them the absolute best and I also wish that he didn’t have a personal life because I want him vlogging constantly. Selfish, I know. Also don’t care.

Null_null

Everyone agrees closings had vast unknowable negative effects. Everyone knows there are examples of schools that stayed closed for too long. Only a few morons forget we were dealing with a novel virus with no vaccine or viral treatment. Idk wtf your last two comments even mean.

Null_null

Also, they very clearly ignored the source of Desantis popularity because it wasn’t a real outlier. Regardless of party, most COVID governors remain popular.

Null_null

Dave Anthony is smart and funny and has his place. He’s not particularly good on politics stuff, though, and his Gen X sensibility always really shines through.

MTH

Except in Virginia, where the governorship did flip. (chapo doesnt mention this). You can argue why it flipped, but many agree it was school closings. I don’t know why I’m being called a moron. Source: I live in Virginia and may never vote for a Dem gov again, after voting Bernie twice.

MTH

The aftermath of school closings is still wide ranging. We can argue forever what should have been done. Dems dealt a lasting blow to one of the only socialist institutions Americans actually like. It’s weird that socialist-leaning people don’t want to face that.

MC Prescott

Josh should be on full time

Ty Baron

This dude gotta be a regular.

Sam Zeng

Get this mf a position on the pod

Jacob Jones

Always love Ettingermentum being on here. Quality newsletter, solid takes. Only disagreement is I think Vivek is on stronger footing with the kooks than data indicates. Judging solely from my lunatic family and friends in Alabama. My grandma, who voted Trump, is now obsessed with him going to prison and being barred from running because she hates him. My dad likes Vivek because "he's not a politician." My old highschool classmates like his bullshit. Guy could still fuck it up, but he is a contender. I'll echo that Ettingermentum should be a regular, he really rounds out the talent base.

Natalie

the fact we now have two anecdotes about ron sitting in silence for trips that take multiple hours

Turlough Kelly

how you gonna complain about spreadsheet weenie libs and then start busting out "left policy preferences" as a relevant concept

joe

Ettingerman eps are great

Jimmy McMillan

Ha sounds like someone has a crush. It must be really annoying that Amber gets to kiss his face and have his babies

Jessica Rios

Haha. Sorry if it came across that way. Not a crush but I do love me some Matt on a level that I haven’t ever admired someone I have never met. lol. I’m happy for him and his happiness. It’s nice to see him being a little less tortured and it seems like it started when he met Amber. Just because I PERSONALLY think she’s annoying doesn’t change the fact that I’m happy he’s finally happy and starting a family.

Keith Jackewicz

I didn’t say “spreadsheet weenie libs”, I said “spreadsheet weenies”, which Leftists absolutely can be. My gripe is Leftists love to preen “actual organizing” as the thing that separates the wheat from the chaff, the authentics from the poseurs, but in terms of actually achieving greater equality, organizing has a pretty miserable track record in the contemporary era, in terms of where the metrics of the whole system are actually going. (Also, unless you’re a hardcore communizer/Leftcom type, “Left policy preferences” is fine as an analytical standard.)

Zakir KH

Ettinger and Felix should do a pod, such chemistry

C. Andrew

Damn good for him. Congrats.

Ryan

All-timer of an episode. As a Michigan resident, thanks for the Abdul El-Sayed shoutout. My first major election decision I could make was my 2018 primary vote for him!

Alec

And I wish I could tell you I love sugar, man, but it looks like I won’t be around. So you won’t know.

Max Joyner

I believe Larry Sinclair raised some salient points about refunding the last 2 years of our subscription fees and giving us another 2 years free.

Steve D

I am a full-fledged adult with school age children and during Covid it sucked. Don’t want to get too far into the weeds on this one but if school closing came with a regular check attached to it, that would’ve gone a long way. But it’s still a big issue with parents and the reactionaries are “doing the work” as awful as it may seem and that’s not good.

Nolan

Anybody heard about the RFK jr “Rich uncle mortgage”

Natalie

they fall for the 'outsider' trick every time

buttface

the boys are absolutely OBSESSED with ron d

etienne

Carl Diggler: ReDivorced

Jack Sweeney

we need a beltway garage with both ettingermentum and weigel