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hello loves

i posted this last night:

https://www.patreon.com/posts/72565116

i read the 200 comments that came in.

the votes were are a 50/50 dead heat when i went to sleep.

i decided to sleep on it, and to see what the morning told me.

the vote stands at 43% to 57% right now, but i was more interested in the comments than anything else, and 90% of the comments said the same thing, and so many people echoed the refrain and wish for a third option: to just do what felt best.

i woke up at 5:30am, filled with the urge to fucking write and finish this thing, but also filled with relief because i felt so supported by all of you. so many of you articulated so well what is hard to put into words. what we are doing here.

i read the rest of the comments (there are 350 right now. and i love each and every one of you.)

the theme is clear…support is support. i have been crowdfunding for so, so long and STILL i know there are no answers to these questions. you all understand the ebb and flow. but what if i just stopped creating? how long is an ebb valid? who is to say? who decides this shit??

i also think it really may be time to move to monthly. i fear, mostly, that there are so many patrons who’ve tuned out that we will lose thousands of people who simple wont open the email and opt in. i don’t know how to solve that.

i’ll talk to patreon and the team.

meanwhile - you helped me.

i wrote from 5:30am til noon - about 6 hours straight. i took two coffee breaks. i’m sending the piece into my editor. i’m incredibly proud of it. and me. and you. and this.

i don’t know what would have happened had not put up that post with my tired brain last night …

but i know i love and appreciate you all more than ever.


see you soon, with piece.


peace.

piece.

x a

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Lynn Robinson

The love and support is mutual xxxxx

JessTCreate

You're a human being. If this were a corporation, you'd have set time off that would be paid. Heed the balance you genuinely need and create accordingly. 💜 That's all I will ever ask in exchange for my patronage 💜

Bethany Olson

Love you always, heart sister. Keep on doing what feels right. We are here and we see you. Being an older mom is so hard, and dealing with that plus family and health and writing and trying not to collapse into a pile of protoplasm on one’s shower floor and sob on the daily is sometimes damn near impossible. But I’m here. I see the struggle and I’m so proud of you.

Rebecca Ryan

Amazing ..piece out ha, goodnight from here a x enjoy your afternoon xx

Kathryn Weber-Boer

Well done for doing exactly what is best for you, which happens to be exactly what we all want for you! Also, please remember that you are also being a bit of a role model for those of us who feel artistic and motherly and lost. So, keep on showing us the vulnerability and wise choices and self-care. <3

Michela M.

Just a quick one, to say if you do switch to monthly, a post with capital letters title will be definitely necessary to tell everyone to go click...

Debz michaela

I think you just needed to hear us all echo back to you that we love you and support you regardless so you could make the right decision…! Mind blowing that you could write for 6 hours with only 2 coffee breaks 🤣 Anytime you need us to reassure you then JUST ASK. All the love to you and this amazing community you have created 💜

Coila

You did the thing! Cheers!

Phyllis Kaelin

Don't know everything about how Patreon works but can't you add a monthly level and let people switch if they want? I mean, if people are happy with "per piece" (or should I say at peace with pieces), so be it. Whatever you decide. Thanks for sharing your life and your art.

Stephie

💚❤️

Janie

Thank you for modeling all of THIS. The ask, the response, the process. I was gonna vote last night & didn't get to it but sent you a cosmic hug for being vulnerable with your process (again). <3 <3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3 The Art of Asking is hard sometimes, even for AFP! Yes!!!! And no worries on switching to Monthly from this Patron. Please just have a $1/month level.

Joni

I SO wanted option 3 but just didn't have all the spoons last night.. . I knew the fam would take care of you. :) Good call!! Also, yes, I would love a monthly option! Although frankly as a one-a-month as my cap, I already essentially am. How about you create your monthly categories, and then ask everyone to opt it. Leave your per-thing categories open, but remove the option to sign up moving forward. Once those "more than once" numbers are low enough that losing them wouldn't bankrupt you if you lose them (which by that point, you'll be more likely to do as you'll have basically identifired them by the fact that they didn't move over... Then you can kill those categories if/when you choose. There's no rush because they're running concurrently. As long as that doesn't totally mess up your admin... It would likely work. Just a thought... solving logistical / admin problems is my jam, take the free advice for what it's worth, every penny paid. ;)

Dorit

🥰

walter ray brock

I like that regardless of how anyone voted, the flow of the comments was "Amanda, you do you, whatever works for you and your family, that is what we support you for." 👍

Dahlia

You did it, you rockstar! Good on ya. “Hi-dee-ho, here I go, Lookin’ for my missing piece.”

amandapalmer

unfortunately, i think it's binary. you gotta have your whole patreon be per-thing or per-month.

Nessa Ruiz

First song on my Spotify after reading this post is Thao’s “astonished man” speaking on “decisions” ✨ “worrying” and “not hurry” so here’s to synchronicities and playlists

Marie O'Reilly

Amazing. I'm so short of spoons right now but also very uplifted with this whole beautiful thing of asking and supporting.

Jen Beeeee

Love it! Good job listening to your heart / body, because it got you where you needed to be! You gotta give yourself space & time, whether it's to recharge the batteries or dust the bookshelf or do an epic piece of art!

Ellen Moreau

That third option - whatever feels good - speaks volumes to me, and would have been what I would have voted for. Wishing you health, happiness, and well-being, Amanda. Take care of yourself, your family, and your team before you worry about us: you know we've got your back.

Ria

I love you as a creator and artist - it’s how I met you after all - but by now I care so much more about YOU and your well-being that I don’t even care how long the ebb is. If it’s 10 years (I know it won’t, don’t be scared) I’ll still be here supporting you. So stop worrying, we’ve got your back. Take the fucking donut. Take the whole box. I love you.

Joni

Yet another example of the limits of binary... anything really... *sigh* OK, how about you ask everyone to change their schedule to once a month... That will ID the folx who aren't paying attention and let you gage who that might be... It will give you data at least... then you can decide if you want to pull the lever or not and we all agree that if you don't have an offical "Thing" you can put out a "I don't have a thing" post to "Thing" (litterally, that's it.. five words) and we'll JOYFULLY pay "for it". As a binge-worker myself (I have two modes, all or nothing, there is no inbetween) I've always thought you were asking a lot of yourself by tieing your patreon to production (although I completely understand why). But think of the old patronage system... Rich dude/dudess is moved by tallent. They sent them to school.. they paid their rent, they gave them space to create... and each relationship was different and based on the personalities involved. You've shared SO much of yourself... We KNOW you (or think we do). We KNOW you're not eating bon-bons and watching soaps. We love you and we support you. And if you need to take two months to look after Ash so you can make art later... than THAT's your job... whatever leads to art (no matter how circuitous) COUNTS... Hear that? REALLY?? It counts. To you and to us.

Joanna Lindblad

(((A))) <3 everything will happen, the way its meant to happen... and it will be good;)

EmVT

congrats on doing the thing!! so happy for you (and us) 🤩 👍 could you simply add tiers called monthly tiers that are pre-configured behind the scenes as a capped-at-one tiers? that coexist with the existing tiers so you don't have to change existing relationships, yet give people who want to click on a tier that says 'monthly' for convenience, that option? hopefully this is a simple programming task Patreon can handle. I can see how going monthly requires careful consideration. it kind of means asking people to opt in at a higher level than they are now to keep the same level of support because on average you do more than one thing per month (notwithstanding caps). so if I'm switching to monthly, I would select double the monthly amount of my current tier to support you the same (on average)--the exception being folks who have already capped their pledge to one thing, who are basically monthly already. ideally there would be a component that is dependent on things you make--this might become more important at higher tiers. IT ALSO MATTERS A LOT HOW YOU FEEL ABOUT IT. do what feels right. if thinging at all levels feels right, thinging it shall be :)

Caitlin Brown

No matter what - be proud of yourself. You should be. You're a badass :)

Titus

I have been giving monthly for 5 years now,, my God has it been that long?! You owe me a Yerba Matte Latte (My own invention, so I better make them.) and 3 days of beginner yoga training while I camp under the loveliest tree that have me as a guest.. :)

Katie King

Oh I didn’t realize that if you switch to monthly, you risk losing some patrons during the shift. That makes it more complicated. Definitely something to consider.

Amanda Stende

I am probably the worst patron. I very rarely have the time or energy to read your posts. So I haven't read the post from yesterday. But the art that you have created this far in your career has been SO moving and influential in my life that, as long as I can afford it, I will support you. I may only be able to do $1/thing or a low monthly flat rate, but it is important to me to contribute to your life in some way as you have significantly contributed to mine.

Marie

I’m already a “monthly” Patreon. Capped at one thing. I’d pay you if that thing was a photo of your ceiling. I’d pay you if that thing was nothing. I love it when you MAKE STUFF, but I also love it when you TAKE CARE of yourself and your family and crew. Monthly is fine.

Nora Czy

Awesome! I'm already monthly ( capped at one thing) I did a similar thing. Got inspired to write all my emails late last night and they are sitting in my outbox ready for me to send this morning so I can pretend I'm a bit more normal than not. Why are morning birds more accepted than late night owls in terms of getting work done???

Arin Greenwood

Ah, I commented on yesterday’s post just now before reading this one, but you answered my question here about the risk of switching to monthly. That is a fair fear but I think even the quiet and less involved patrons will still make the effort to swap as long as the information is clear to them. Before today, I think it’s been two or three years since I’ve actively read and responded to each and every post you make. I read many, but I certainly miss many as well and I rarely if ever comment - but you’ve helped me in so many ways throughout my whole life that I would never stop supporting you and any email from you with a title that sounds important would get me to notice and click through! If you decide to make that change, we will all be here to help you spread the word so you don’t lose out xx

Petra Miliankos

I think the challenge (and the beauty) of asking and giving is the inevitable need to give yourself over to that process without expectation. And as much as that's where the good stuff is, it might also fall flat. The risk is the reward. I'm a "per thing Patreon" who very often rarely has the space to receive the thing- but I'm very happy to give- financially- towards the process of it's creation in full recognition of the reason I often don't receive the thing is because I just don't have the heft and wherewithal to give myself mentally and emotionally- which is what I feel more and more is the subtext of this Ask. I'm tired too. I'm an 80% of 24/7 solo-mama working and studying and trying to regularly carve out the time to feed us in a way that genuinely feeds my soul, because I love the simple alchemy of chopping and mixing and stirring and waiting. It's the process. There are times- many times- when keeping afloat means I just don't have the emotional buoyancy to wade into this space. And for me, that's okay- that's my gift to me. Maybe that's not what you need. Maybe it's not enough of an answer, but ultimately authenticity dictates that we simply can't give what we don't have. It's your authenticity- your Velveteen Rabbit realness- that I've appreciated most of all. Not the number of your things. Just be you. Be real. Give what you have when you have it, but don't feel the need to give more when you don't. That's what I feel we're all here supporting. You. You being you. Maybe there's things. Maybe there's no things. It's not for me to decide how, or when, or how often you be.

Doug Ryan

I love this. You’re doing great.

Suzanne

I'm already capped at one thing, so you do what you gotta do babe. People will figure it out, it might take a month or two for it to click. Yay for feeling good about writing today! Can't wait to see it. Sending love. xx -Suzanne

Cyn

I must have missed the vote, but I have tier capped and I'm not worried. I support you to create. Not publish, not post, create. Since I'm a creator too, I understand that comes in bits, some long binges, sometimes just notes and something I call compost - good lines, phrases, ideas that just need to sit a while and develop. So yes - please thing what you think is ready, AllThing every time. But remember you've been going non stop for a very long time now through hard changes and your mind and body will demand rest and force you if you don't listen to them. Take care of yourself.

POTU David Nelson, Author

Your words echo'd in my mind 'I fucking love you' - (you taught that to me), but really it is a 'We fucking love you.' - You let go, and peace returned and BAM. My patreon is a monthly already so and I am fairly new. Weird, I found you through your book, not your music. Trust in the flow of things is still a strugle for me. You've lived a life so far of trusting the flow. You wrote a book about it (laugh). Keep on, keep'n on. Thou Art Goddess, sister in beloved spirit. Being you, is all that you can do :)

AlidaNui

I am glad to see you finished the writing. I voted for that but had no time to comment. My comment is that you might as well get it over with because that’s something you can finish, but house work never ends. So I felt getting the concrete thing off your list was probably easier in the long run. Just keep going as best you can, knowing we all are in the same boat in our own little ways, we understand, and we support you.

Laura Morland

BRAVO!!! So proud of you. Can't wait to read the Ask Amanda!

Laura Morland

P.S. You've got 2 days left to produce the Althing... sending prayers for equivalent powers of concentration!

Lexi Anthony

For some reason I thought I was paying you monthly anyway… ha Just thought I’d say, because I’m totally happy to give you a monthly payment for you just being you, I’m really not bothered about “how much I get in return” that’s not why I give. Sometimes I don’t have time to see/hear/read what you’ve put out because life is mental. But I catch up when I can. I give because I’m also a creative, with a kid, I read your book, I agree, I believe in this way of living for you; I support you regardless. I’m pretty sure others feel the same xxx love and peace xxx

Laura Morland

I voted for that, too. Thrilled that Amanda woke up with the motivation to finish writing it!

Laura Morland

I also came to Amanda through another route thsn her music... her Ted Talk! I've been a Patron since 2016, I believe. It just keeps getting better.

braincolor

You ask: "but what if i just stopped creating? how long is an ebb valid?" My answer: You are an creator. It's not in your nature to stop. Maybe some things take a loooong time to mature, but at some point they want to get out. Perhaps you know the German saying: "Gut Ding will Weile haben." (something like: "Good things will take their time.") So: "How long is an ebb valid?" Abba took a pause of 40 years. Hopefully yours ist not THAT long ... %-))

Eleanor

When I think about being a patron, I don’t think about it as an exchange of goods and services, I think of it like I am contributing to your art. My small amount of money, combined with many others, supports you in your artistic endeavours. It allows you the freedom of time - time that you don’t have to spend working a 9-5 job, or time spent pleasing a corporation (record label) who funds your art. Instead, through the contributions of your patrons, you can make the art that we enjoy. I don’t believe art comes with a timetable. Make art, don’t worry about pleasing us. We are here on the journey with you.

EmVT

braincolor, this is how I feel, ebbs are not an issue, even long ebbs. I want the AFP realm to exist and flourish in the world. I would definitely miss Amanda if she went dark for a few months or years, but I would not stop supporting her. I support lots of people I rarely hear from, and am happy to do so.

EmVT

Eleanor, I love this ^^^ I agree one thousand percent :) well said it's such a conundrum because a flat monthly amount FEELS more unconditional, in line with the spirit of this, less transactional. on the other hand, what if a flat monthly amount ends up meaning less support and inadvertently places restrictions on projects, especially collaborating with other creators. I wonder if a hybrid model would fix this, but it sounds like Patreon does not have enough flexibility to accommodate a base monthly amount plus an opt-in for special projects on top of that. I like to stay connected with AFP and the DD by email list, email will always prevail over whatever the latest platforms are.

Róisín O'Connor

I love what you do, and I think you need to follow biodynamic principles: a time to prep the soil, sow seed, nurture growth, harvest FESTIVAL, and then a period of faaaaaaalloooooowssshhhhhh…