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#206 [fixed]: What Is Synthesis? What Is Control? (pt. 3) (Patreon)

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2024-01-19 17:32:36
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Alchemy is the bad conscience of the Scientific Method. I'm looking at X-rays. Repress it all and scrape Synthesis from the alembic.

Plus: A Declaration of the Rights of Subterranean Man.

NOTE: Patreon fucked up the last one, had to edit/repost.

Comments

Dan Z

Love these edits where you hear abrupt cuts to a room mic at 10 ft shouting "PARODY!"

Jaime Christley

Your rent swap arrangement sounds like the Cuba episode of THE SIMPSONS Homer (confidentially): Mr. Buurns, I think we can trust the president of Cuba... *Mr. Burns hands Castro the one trillion dollar bill* Mr. Burns: Now... give it back! Castro (it's gone): Give what back? Mr. Burns: *groan*

Daniel McVeigh

Making this dull Friday shine, thanks!

Bryn Nieboer

what the hell, you've been in bk all this time and didn't hang out with me once??

NYCM&AHole

I had a friend who couldn’t take a generic of drugs because of the way the generic version interacted with her vs the brand

Gianteye

The romantic love death could also be called the death nut challenge

Jaime Christley

As regards to Pynchonian paranoia (everything is connected) and anti-paranoia (nothing is connected), and you bringing up singularities in the cosmos... it's interesting that the two prevailing ideas about how the universe will end are: heat death, in which, eventually, even the infinitesimally small components of matter and energy will dissipate completely (nothing is connected), or the Big Crunch, in which all of that stuff reuinites in a single point of infinite density and zero dimensions (everything is connected). Also ... mutant brother locked in the attic, boy did I blow my one Simpsons reference early.

Matt

I'm counting this as a low key Against the Day episode

Karl Childers

Loving this series, wanted to shout out a serendipitous episode of another podcast also released today discussing Benjamin Labatut's book When We Cease To Understand The World. Dealing with exactly these themes of the libidinal drives underpinning scientific ideology & the megalomaniac's need for definite control. The podcast is Trashfuture, the episode is from their Left On Read subscriber series: https://www.patreon.com/posts/left-on-read-we-96741117

Kate Baldwin

Aw I'm glad you and the tunnel boys figured out how to communicate 🥰

NYCM&AHole

If you need a place to store your PRS archon 50 amp since it can’t stay in the tunnel, I’ll be happy to keep it company with my dual rectifier.

r b

My face looked like the kid from Come And See after listening to this. Jesus fucking Christ

r b

Also, you'll get a kick out of this. I'm in a caving grotto. We do spelunking. We host our meetings at this dude's house where he has ACTUALLY dug 100+ long tunnel under his house he calls, "Bad Neighbor Pit."

Maciek

I’m on hr28 of trying to quit cigs so I have less than zero patience left in me. But fuck me when does this episode start? I’m 14minutes in and this assholes still talking about his junkie past as if we havn’t heard this fucking story a million times.

Brent Puls

Michael what's the recording song you used at the beginning of the episode? I'm digging it.

Jaime Christley

MSJ I can't remember if I've asked you this but have you got any opinions about horror writer Thomas Ligotti? I gather you've watched TRUE DETECTIVE; I've only seen a few eps but Nic Pizzolatto has name-checked Ligotti at least in regards to the first season. imho he's written some of the strangest and most terrifying short stories I've ever read.

Bored at Work

I think about two things everyday. One is where the fuck are my electrons going when they are popping in and out of our measurable existence. Two is there more bacterial cells in our body then quote human cells in those microbiome influence our mental health or gut health or her health literally every part of our body. So whose body really is this. It is hubris to think you understand any of this.

Bored at Work

As an undergrad I worked for a research lab that was funded by a cranberry company I shall not name. Turns out cranberries really help with UTIs but only if you drink the cranberry juice ongoingly before you get the UTI not during (for my interpretation of the research please don't see me). At no point was it acknowledged that drinking copious amounts of cranberry prior to getting a UTI might stop a UTI due to fluid dilution and explanation. Obviously it was the cranberry concentrate. Thank you cranberry company for putting me through a semester of college. If you want to hear a really fun one that kind of ties your story together I worked at the EM center and a guy I worked with could not possibly recreate the PHD candidates research that he was taking over and he reached out to her and she said oh well if the data didn't match the hypothesis then it's an outlier... 💫✨ Science 💓

ggmacd

I think you talked about this before but it bears mentioning that in the pharmaceutical industry the intended purpose of a given drug is not determined by the chemists, researchers, or even clinical trials. It's something decided upon by the marketing department of pharma companies based on growth potential. People are usually a little disturbed to find out that drugs don't get made in a process where a problem gets identified and then a solution is worked towards -- they get made as solutions in search of the most lucrative possible problem. In the drug regulation world post-covid some wealthier countries have begun discussing what their "life sciences industrial policy" ought to be. The UK (which is in an interesting spot on these matters post-Brexit) is piloting a public system for monitoring the adverse effects of pharmaceutical medications, as well as a proposed national biobank (called the Yellowcard Scheme). Perhaps neither of these things are inherently bad, but that their stated purpose is to "foster medical innovation" and "get medications to market faster" is troubling if you consider, yknow, the basics you alluded to of how the pharmaceutical industry goes about 'innovating' and getting drugs to market. And then there's the implications of the fact that the UK is building this public infrastructure to become the world's premier testing ground for pharmaceutical companies as a matter of national industrial policy. The entire concept of "industrial policy" was taboo in western liberal democracies until 1, maybe 2 years ago. Maybe I had hoped naively that this conversation on industrial policy -- just having a plan for the future -- would inject some bare minimum elements of socialism-by-necessity into a crumbling and increasingly rent-seeking capitalism. Now it seems obvious we're just going to get the subtext of "what's good for the market/industry is good for everyone" as the text. You could call it the triumph of market fundamentalism, but if you were to describe it in material terms there probably no daylight between this arrangement and the "raketen-stadt." As both the first country to industrialize and the first country with a national health system, the UK is definitely ahead of the curve and I'd consider it a little glimpse of the future, ie. the kind of rat warrens that a falling rate of profit is going to start carving into our bodies under the guise of building institutions to deal with X or Y crisis. I'd also file this under to something you said about the synthesis between stock as in security and stock as in livestock -- the new era of industrial policy has to figure out the value proposition behind keeping first world citizens as increasingly expensive livestock.

ggmacd

yall think the Chabad Goonies are crazy but try describing what a private equity firm does swapping out "shareholders" for "messiah" and your third eye will open to gaze upon the realest grindset.

Ash

What's the one thing Marx got right and what are the apparently awful conclusions he drew from it?

Tyler Miller

This latest series needs a little conversation with McGilchrist’s “The Matter with Things” before it’s done

Percy Plump

I really really want to hear what your issues with Darwinian evolution and Marx are. You throw out these little provocative asides and I can’t help but be fixated on them.

Court Hansen

A few episodes back, you talked about a woman being confronted at a press conference about something and she just kind of shrieked in fear when someone shouted her name, but I can’t remember what the anecdote was or which episode it was in. Is there any chance you remember what episode it was or what you were referring to? Sorry to be a needy Nelly, I appreciate it.

V

as someone who dropped out of a neuro degree and fell into a decade of self-destructive chaos due to the combination of 1) a sleepless dread at the inevitable consequences of psychiatry in a world where most all research is eventually weaponized, either purposefully en masse or through ignorant mispurposes on individual levels, 2) horror at the state of what we've created, sitting around all of us like some noxious glistening flammable fog and 3) a desk jockey with a prescription pad throwing a long series of seemingly random pills at what are now thankfully known to be nonexistent conditions... thank you. your recordings are always great to hear, but this one in particular got me right in the heart. you speaking about this is a necessary addition to the world. hope you have a good week

Gorgo

The phrase "manufacturing divinity" keeps popping into my head the more I digest this episode. I see the way that pure scientific pursuit is essentially anathema to life, as you say. The image that popped into my head about rigorously destroying variance, accounting for everything possible, it's like a sift where the holes get smaller and smaller until you don't think it's possible for the final product you want to escape, but it always can wiggle out, that alchemy, that perfect throw of the dice to let it slide right past you. To eliminate it completely is to create a system without a need for human observation or maintenance, something that produces forever without us, something divine. Removing the need for humans in the recreation of human life would be a pretty big abnegation of humanity. Two pieces of media trail into my thoughts, Tommy Lee Jones in No Country saying that even the contest between man and steer isn't certain. And then Final Fantasy 13, but that'd require more blathering to explain and i probably look crazy enough.

M Wigby

hypomania as feeling "metaphysically itchy" is the most accurate description i've heard

kaolin holly

MSJ I beg you to talk a bit about the news of that AFRICOM-Fort Bragg ketamine bust

Bored at Work

I'm going to ask you this seriously half my family in Libya I got bummed and my sisters are half Palestinians how do you even listened to any of this and just not sound so ridiculous and I'm not saying that to you I'm just saying what the f*** do you do anymore

Arielle Curtin

You are amazing and the intro music was exquisite!

Scott

Seeing "Val Kilmer Batman" as a tag cracked me the fuck up.

MRSAful Fate

Anyone got a source for the EA Wallis Budge/ King Tut thing?