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Episode 227 - America Has No Morals (w/ Roger Waters) (Patreon)

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2022-11-14 05:45:51
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Briahna speaks to Pink Floyd co-founder Roger Waters about his recent spate of powerful, controversial media appearances about American foreign policy. How has he managed to use his fame to go where most progressives aren't allowed, and how has he managed to stay the course after so much pushback from the establishment?

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Produced by Armand Aviram.

Theme by Nick Thorburn (@nickfromislands)

Comments

Anonymous

I love this man! It’s so simple. How about the US just stops murdering us all?!

Anonymous

Would love to watch Roger school Joe Cicincione on Ukraine & US Imperialism! Roger is true and FIERCE. 💘

AbsenteeUncle

As a kid I wanted to be Roger Waters when I grew up, and as a 43 year old man I still want to be Roger Waters when I grow up.

Anonymous

The hypothetical "What happens when there's the Next Hitler," is the same bs as "What if there's a dirty bomb set to go off in NYC in an hour, would you use torture to find it?" That is the reasoning of someone who can't honestly defend their support for Endless War. Looking at you, D/R One Party politicians & supporters.

Colin Clark

i love china & have bottomless admiration for its accomplishments but the case for the CCP being the rightful rulers of Taiwan is sooooooo weak

Anonymous

Man, so glad you brought Roger Waters on for a chat! Did not see that coming and was such a pleasant surprise. Can't wait to relisten to the episode when the video is up!

Anonymous

Would love to have another guest further unpack the relationship between Taiwan and China. It's something I really don't know anything about, but considering the US' growing involvement in Taiwan's sovereignty, I'd love to get more history/context on this.

Peter Taylor

Hearing one of my favorite musicians since childhood do a southern accent on a leftist podcast was enough to justify a year and a half worth of Patreon payments

Demented Avenger
>>95594309

Aside from the fact Taiwan is a part of mainland China and that the government of mainland China is recognized as the government of China by the UN and over 90% of all world governments, including the USA, sure.

Anonymous

I love Roger’s sustained moral clarity, his righteous indignation, and militant love. (And it doesn’t hurt that he has been in one of the all time greatest bands ever. Love his live shows.)

Anonymous

Wow, what an episode! I feel like Roger not only calls out the backwards lies of our current system but gets to a vision, at least in broad strokes, of what world we need to strive for, in a way that few people have the clarity to even approach. So many powerful words about how we can try to meet this moment.

Anonymous

I'm so excited to share this episode with my Dad! Oh wait, I can't. 😕 (broken record)

Michelle B

Love the episode! Going to make the same point I made on the callin last time ... There is no ethical intervention on the part of America. We need to be honest about why America goes in and who is profiting off of them going in. I think an amazing interview for you would be with Ben Norton of multi-polarista and Aaron Good of American Exception. They can speak to Ukraine but also the history of this coup subject generally and how it works each time and who profits. Because pretending that the framing of American intervention is ever humanitarian is the biggest mistake we can make on the left. This is never why intervention happens. The direct profit off of these coups and the wars they eventually result in is so easy to track. And when you realize how many times we've done it for the exact same reasons, what the role of the CIA is and the fact that we in literally every case are arming the right wing extremists who are against our interest as leftists. We go in to privatize. We go in so American companies can secure profit and we offer loan terms that strip these countries of anything that could resemble sovereignty. If you can't go and vote for your government to not do austerity any longer, you are not living in a democracy. We all know this. I don't understand why we get confused about it elsewhere. The first Hitler/facist regimes were stopped by Russia... They are no longer a leftist state, but they are certainly more likely to be fighting against it than America. America certainly didn't and won't. We don't have any examples of American intervention that are ethical. In fact our oligarchs heavily funded Hitler. And we absolutely represent the Facist state of neo-colonialism being pushed onto the rest of the world. The story about how is and the good allies united to stop genocide is just objectively a matter of propaganda and not reality. The way the war was fought by America and the British was to do a maximum amount of damage in terms of human life and infrastructure. We still behave in that way although We do seem to be trying to minimize our own soldiers involvement at the expense of citizens of other countries or using drones. And we didn't remove much of the oligarchic power structure that existed in these governments that we defeated. We didn't give any help to the Russians who did defeat Hitler because of the very fact that their government was leftist in principal... Which America considered a threat. And we took calculated steps to profit, and had minimal exposure to the consequences of our wars. Which seems to be the most consistently true thing that our leaders are completely willing to say out loud... Fight them there so we don't have to fight them here. That's how we made money. We are representing the wrong side of the future of a fight against fascism and neoconservative and neoliberal political hegemony. The question we need to be asking ourselves is how do we stop our country from stripping all these people of democracy and installing austerity governments around the world at the expense of the working class people. That is what our country is doing. We are the ones who don't sign the human rights treaties that say that food is a human right. We are the ones breaking nuclear agreements. We are the ones dropping nukes. We are the ones undermining democracy. We are the ones starving people with sanctions and stealing their resources. The place where you can make the most compelling arguments that genocide is actively happening... Yemen, Palestine and some of what's happening to indigenous cultures in Africa where we are going into strip out lithium - in every one of those places, America is at least the most significant factor in enabling the genocide by providing weapons and funding and supporting genocidal leaders ... if we aren't doing it directly ourselves. I don't like these analogies because it's like if Hitler was making an argument about when Hiltlarian Germany should intervene to stop genocide they were doing. We are the problem. Not the only problem...but the main problem. We are the facists now! What we need to focus on is stopping our country from doing more harm. The fact that we view ourselves as having a positive potential role at all is just some really sick version of propaganda.