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DR. JOHN: CHAD AND LORI'S LOVE STORY (Patreon)

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The Chandler Evidence Release has left us an overwhelming amount to sift through and research. 

While still going through the numerous police interviews, Chad's "Love Story" also appeared yesterday. You can read the whole thing on East Idaho News, OR you can hear Lauren read the entire thing to Dr. John right here. 

Late last night, Lauren introduced #LoveStoryGate to John, reading aloud what Chad wrote to Lori Vallow three days after Charles was shot and killed by Alex Cox. 

We also point out some initial observations. I'm sure we'll have even more thoughts about the texts soon.  #loinfire


Comments

TootsPoots

I was eating a snack while listening to this and literally lost my appetite 🤢

Debbie Bruce

Right around the 15:30 mark - 16 layers of clothes in 80 degree weather??? Do psycho preppers wear their entire wardrobe at all times in order to “be prepared” or what??? No offense to non-psycho preppers okay?

Yvonne Bennett

No prizes for guessing why Chad was asked to voice a Blue Muppet

LoriM

Dr. John’s reaction to “Loin Fire” is priceless! I needed this laugh!😂. I first heard about you guys this year on Dateline. Listened to all the Podcasts, making my way through all the you tube videos and now also going through Patreon. This was classic!

Chandra

Does this make anyone else nauseous? 🤢

Evelyn Yallen

It’s all so childish … and incredibly badly written. I’m still trying to figure out what a blue Muppet has to do with this fourth rate Harlequin Romance and if “healing balm” is a euphemism for … well … ick … but I’m probably better off not knowing.

Missy

I can’t stop laughing with you, Lauren! This is sooo juicy LOL

Evelyn Yallen
>>69414534

Nothing like including the Muppets in amateur porn. Although … that is actually a genre. Just not the one Chad probably intended.

Gina McKay

I’ve had to pause this, only about 10 min in and just keep laugh crying! Dr Johns giggling is the BEST!

Kathleen Suter

He is iike a 7th grader reading a playboy,in the bathroom....

Chris

I was really hoping someone would do this. Can’t wait to listen!!

Char

I'm getting ready to listen to Romeo.... I mean Chad.... right now. I can't wait to hear Dr. John giggle! Lol

Stephanie Stewart

Omg you have made my week! New series for HTC!!!!

Jennifer-Anne Hunter

Loinfire???? Where do you go study that? I can't believe October 27/8th 2018 it would be less than a year later and 4 people would have died for just under 4months of married life together but the bars would separate them. The story itself it's just immature and clearly exposes Chad's insecurity and his flawed masculinity. This whole situation is tragic 😪

Collette Osburn

Please oh please have merchandise of a “loin fire” wine glass!!!

Christine Craig

I find it fascinating that 52 minutes into this these text messages, he never once mentions that they are both married to other people. Unless I missed it? If I did not understand this case so fully, I would think they are just two singles searching for their soulmate, coming together.

Chris

I wish this had video directed right at Dr. John. 😂

Janae Anne

Chad should be writing romance novels for Barbara Cartland! He thinks he is the first man to feel sexually attracted to a woman so he has to make it a religious experience to fit his savior of the world narrative. Some combination of Chad the savior and Chad the sex fiend. He is such a bad, unimaginative writer he uses the same description over and over; our bodies fit together perfectly and I want to grab her butt. Thanks for reading this Lauren and Dr. John for enlightening analysis. I really enjoyed your giggles too!

Shannon F

Tammy deserved better.

Tamara Wakeman Sukohl

You two made me laugh out loud. Chad is a 50 something grandpa who writes like a pre-teenage girl. Harlequin novels are a better read than this.

tora Johns

That's put the lifetime movie out of joint

tora Johns

It was hilarious listening to you both. Glad you read it out, I tried reading it and had to stop when Chad was describing his carnal desires. It's an image I just don't want to have

LauraK

If you told me this was a 1980's romance novel I'd believe you.

Toni Quilico-Kriebel

"Loin Fire"???? 😂 😂 I wonder if his kids STILL think this was an emotional affair? Question: Shouldn't they both be wearing the Mormon underwear or do you not wear those if you are married?

Amber Ferdig
>>69417995

I had that same thought, never mentions that either of them are married, would think they were single.

Tessa Madsen

I’m confused? Doesn’t their “loins fitting together perfectly” mean they actually had sex?

Melissa Wright

Loin Fire!!! I am listening to this at work and I just burst out laughing 😂

Melissa Wright

I’m so glad you read this 😂 Chad is a lyrical genius 😂

Fun2 Cruz

I’ve never read Chad’s books. But this is written so immature and corny. He’s most definitely acting like a 12 year old. Why didn’t his blessings heal that insane brain? I’m glad you read and I listened, otherwise I could never g be ave gotten through it. Right when I thought I’d barf, you’d crack up laughing. Thank you for that.

Alison Umpleby

Thanks you too! Y’all kept it classy 🤣 not an easy job. Reminded of recent podcast on Mormon Stories when Dr. John Dehlin & his wonderful co-host had the thankless job of explaining what “soaking” was. Thank Goodness for you two, your professionalism & compassion for all the victims WOW

Kim Chapman

This is horrible. Worst romance novel! I really did enjoy listening to your read this and your giggling. Thank you! Chad actually text this to Lori? I have no words!

CuriousinColorado

My initial reaction is to laugh out loud! My next thought is that my goodness they actually believe this! Do they think their love story is likely to be included in the next book, the book of Daybell, to follow the Book of Mormon? Also, while he is clearly inexperienced, she definitely is not. Must have been an interesting day in the police department when they found this!! 😂😬

Lynette Butler

This is a Penthouse Letter written by a religiously-repressed eighth grader. Enjoyed your reading!

Lynette Butler

I think Chads possible insecurity about his own body shape leads to the very frequent mentions their bodies “fitting perfectly”? Like he needed reassurance she liked his body.

Lynette Butler

I think this is your guy: A Close Look at “A Title to Liberty” by Bruce Porter About a year ago, I made a new friend: Bruce H. Porter. He regularly conducts tours in the Holy Land and at LDS Church History sites. Then, when I was researching my novel, The Invitation to the Shining City, I read his book, An Everlasting Decree: Ensuring a Title to Liberty for the Promised Land. I was spell-bound! He’s a very unassuming man; he was raised on a ranch in northern Arizona without most of the luxuries that we all take for granted today…luxuries like electricity and running water! He told me how, every night in his grandparents’ ranch house, his grandmother read to him out of the scriptures by the light of a kerosene lamp. That became so engraven on his soul that he eventually studied Semitic languages and ancient scriptures at Hebrew University in Jerusalem. As of today, he has written more than a dozen books on ancient scriptures and Biblical history, which can be found on his website at bhporter.net. When I began reading “An Everlasting Decree,” I became aware of how “truth converges.” I had been studying writings by John Winthrop, the Framers and President Calvin Coolidge (who makes “an appearance” in my book–you can do that in fantasies!). Two of the key messages of my book are statements by both Adams and Coolidge. Many people are familiar with Adams’ pronouncement that “the Constitution was written solely for a religious and moral people . . . and is totally unsuited for anyone else.” When Coolidge elaborated on that, I was compelled to include this statement he made in 1924 in my book, namely that “. . . government rests on religion...’the claim to the right to freedom, the claim to the right to equality, with the resultant right to self-government–the rule of the people–have no foundation other than the common brotherhood of man derived from the common fatherhood of god. if this faith is set aside, the foundations of our institutions fail, the citizen is deposed from his high estate...society reverts to a system of class and caste, and the government instead of being imposed from reason from within is imposed by force from without. freedom and democracy would give way to despotism and slavery. I do not know of any adequate support for our form of government except that which comes from religion.” Then I finished Porter’s book and found my Third Witness. The last two sentences of his book proved to me how truth eventually does converge, and in this case, that truth is, why it is essential for people in this country to follow Christ or be swept away! “There exist a sacred responsibility for the faithful to help maintain the freedom and security of this land. This scriptural responsibility lies within each individual who understands the Book of Mormon to seek the righteous remnant and become a collective voice in the security of our faith, freedom and family.” I would add, as I view freedom-loving people of faith around the country rallying to the cause of freedom, that this responsibility not only rests with members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, but also with all God-fearing people throughout the land. That, I believe, is evidence of the convergence of truth. Read his book: it can be ordered directly from his website at bhporter.net. I highly recommend it. GM Greg Jarrard

ShaRee

Thanks for reading this. I was able to get caught up while I drove 2 hrs. today. Though the content was from Chad’s adulterous mind (gross) it was so enjoyable and enlightening to hear both of your commentary. The more that comes out, the more I see Dr. John is accurate in his first analysis of Chori.

Rachel Shepard

I didn’t know whether to laugh or cry! I did a lot of laughing along side you! And I may need some therapy from hearing that story! There was totally a Saturday’s Warrior reference in his “story” 🤣 I wonder if they got their fake names from the day they went to the temple together. My main feeling was sadness. Sadness for Tammy. That poor woman.

Ilona Wheat

Thank you for your read of this cheesy romance, your commentary and laughter made it bearable. You brought up an observation about strictly adhering to religious rules and waiting to have physical intercourse until after marriage, while de facto having a full on affair. I wonder, is it plausible that if the rules permitted premarital sex and they could have "sampled the goods," at least one of them could have been over it and the relationship would have failed to progress? In other words, did the forbidden fruit magnify their attraction? Chad’s writing confirmed that for him it was largely about validation and sex and it didn't really matter if it was Lori or Julie or someone other lady fan. As for Lori, I recall Melanie G. alleging that Lori had a high libido. While she's attractive and could have easily found anyone to satisfy her needs, we don't have any evidence of any other extramaritally affairs. Perhaps because of the religious dogma that she subscribed to, she felt that should could only allow herself to do it with Chad? So I'm now curious, that maybe both Lori and Chad in a way were each victims of these archaic and unrealistic rules related to sex. In essence, it was easier to rationalize murder of innocent children and spouses than to have premarital sex. The taboo appears to have a strong grip especially on those with low level of openness.

Joanna Mulvaney

🤢 he has so little imagination even his sex fantasies are banal.

Joanna Mulvaney
>>69427469

they were both wearing thin synthetic fabric over their genitals so they could poke each other’s nooks and crannies without “skinship” so that makes it all ok With god i guess.

Jennifer-Anne Hunter
>>69442086

To me Chad has a contested masculinity and has to make himself look almost God-like to hide his own insecurities and inabilities. This whole novel and thing with Chad is like the novel American Psycho, where a world of murder and savage destruction is created in order for Chad to function rather than address his own identity. The reality though is murder was carried out but there was no pay off, at the end it just was sex. This basic need of accomplishment of sex with Lori it comes across childlike and nervous because she is the anti-Tammy, because Tammy is just representative of what he has known and has come to detest. Rather than addressing his insecurities and basic needs, he has just created this belief system in order for him to just function and gain some sense of who he is. Lori clearly has her own issues but uses her sexuality to get by rather than to look at herself. What in a sense to Chad is not a meeting of minds, but is a meeting of two flawed parties.

Marcella Able

Lauren, you & Dr John are cracking me up. Love that you are reading this love story & giggling 🤭. Good lord! Those two!

Ilona Wheat
>>69442086

Oh that is a very interesting perspective I don’t even consider - veiled sexual promiscuity to avoid addressing personal inadequacies. And I agree with you re: Tammy. Her well-adjusted perception of reality, her self-awareness (i.e., she knows exactly what she is), her happiness are infuriating to Chad. She is everything he’s not.

RobynB

#LoinFire?Tammy Daybell should have done the world a favor and clocked that dumb SOB in the head with an iron skillet 20 years ago...AKA. #RightTheWorld 😂

Katie Marlowe

Chad: “I knew I’d met the woman who was going to change my life forever.” That might be the mother of all understatements. 😁 ~I hope the Daybell kids are adequately prepared for all they will be hearing and seeing in court, because if this “Love Story” is any indication, they are going to have a bitter pill to swallow.

Katie Marlowe

Thank you for reading this, Lauren. I got so tickled my face hurt! I wonder if the prosecution will use it in evidence? It certainly served to further enable me to grasp just how unsophisticated and bogus Chad actually was; and, how -when Lori bought his ridiculous claims- he needed to bolster them, elaborate on them, and ultimately use them to test his own power. I’m convinced now that he is the main manipulator. They’re both guilty, selfish, sickos. But, perhaps he was the spark that lit the flame?

Holistic Holly

This confirms the date in question was in fact my daughter's 13th birthday makes this even more gross to me. Sorry... I am carrying a burden here. Had to share. Sorry.

Lisa K

Wow, this is an ANTIdisiac!! If I ever need to put out a loin fire, I will listen to this again! Thanks :).

Christina Smith
>>69423224

You’re supposed to, but who knows with their beliefs 🙄 LVD & CD didn’t follow the beliefs.

Meg

Chad says "he knew if he was patient he could experience love like this just once in his life" -- why would he say that if he'd experienced it already in multiple lives? I think this is a slip of truth knowing he only has one life

Stephanie Stewart

Lauren. I would love to donate to Ana, but really would prefer to do so with zelle so they get the entire amount. Do you think that's possible? Stephanie

Lisa K
>>69451495

I might agree if we didn't know all we know about Joe Ryan, and how Lori manipulated her children and the legal system to mess with him...and very likely killed him as well. They are both manipulators in equal measure! Lori had also been manipulating her brother for years!

Holly W

Lauren. Can you guys talk about the fact that Tyler didn’t like Charles or Chad? Is this because she has grown up having to protect her mom? Is it codependency?

Laura60

I swear,if Bruce shows up on a witness list I’ll die 😂

Lauren Rencher
>>69440698

Oooooooh, I wouldn’t be surprised if those are their self chosen temple names from their made up endowment ceremony.

Lauren Rencher
>>69453092

Totally. Not to be crude but I seriously think hearing this “story” made my vagina seal up for all eternity. I mean, the part where they are in one of their two favorite positions and he starts giving her blessings………. I can’t even comprehend how she didn’t die from barfing after getting that text. W…….T…….F. People are so weird man.

Erica A. Zwick
>>69423224

I remember reading, of course I can't remember where, that Lori said that because she was a translated being, she did not need to wear the temple garments because she did not need protection. The garment "when properly worn ... provides protection against temptation and evil."

Jeanine Harrop Hansen

Kudos to a well done narrative of this "Harlequin Romance"! Thank you for making this sick situation laughable! 😅

Lauri Bolland

I just wanted to thank you again for doing this. I started listening over lunch with hubby and he hung around for the rest of because I really wanted his reaction! LOL I read it previously, but wanted to hear Lauren's version and it was even more cringy when said aloud! PS hubby's final take: "Sounds like Junior High School!"

Lauri Bolland

You know thinking more about this. So the whole "love story" is essentially Chad doing a ret-con on their affair, to cement Lori's compliance with his fantasy. He basically uses theology to excuse and actually sanctify their bad behavior. Cause how can you criticize something that's divine? How could you say no to something that is your destiny? Yuck! So manipulative!

Morgan Perkins-Powell

I listened to this late last night after working a horrible 12 hour shift in the ER and laughed my butt off. Lauren reading this made it that much better! You two are hilarious. Thank you for sharing. 😊

Brandy Brown

Thanks, I hate it. 🤣 His writing, I mean. Your banter and analysis of it is well worth it- cheers 😁 glad to be here!

Chelsea Jackman

This was like a soft Harlequin Romance chapter for cultists. It was so awful to read. Much easier hearing both of your input. Scientific phenomenon known as loin fire? 😂 I’ll check the local university’s faculty of extension - maybe there’s a class! Otherwise, all I see is a striploin steak on a barbecue with flames (obviously no flambé because of that whole alcohol rule). Poor barbecuing skills, perhaps? Thanks for the great commentary and insight!

Karen

Melaine G had said Chad stayed in her house when Charles was out of town so they had to of met before this.

Darcy Johnson
>>69431184

That’s what I am envisioning…the police reading this and thinking, “OMG…what till so in so reads this”.

Tracy

As I was listening @time stamp 57:13 ish you read (paraphrasing) Rafael knew that he and Alaina were the perfect match….. was that a misprint? I have heard Chad did go by Rafael at times. Just wondering!! Thanks for sharing!!!

Hidden True Crime
>>69423224

Erica is correct—Lori wore them before meeting Chad (according to friends). But since she was a translated being, she no longer needed them.

Hidden True Crime
>>69428265

Exactly. I’ve actually wondered if Chad has ever seen Dumb and Dumber. They had a code word for talking, according to Zulema, the term was: “pretty bird”. My first thought was a scene from Dumb and Dumber.

Hidden True Crime
>>69442086

Loved this comment and the responses. Well said: “it was easier to rationalize murder of innocent children and spouses than to have premarital sex. The taboo appears to have a strong grip especially on those with low level of openness.”

Hidden True Crime
>>69451495

We agree. Lori was, and is a manipulator, but I think it took a special someone (aka Chad) for her to consider killing everyone close to her. Those she “claimed” to care for and love.

Hidden True Crime
>>69627712

Throughout this love story they oddly referrred to themselves as Elena and Raphael. Or Lilly and another male name

Hidden True Crime
>>69541284

it was mentioned in this love story how Chad knew Melanie Gibb before Lori, and how Chad stayed at Lori’s while Charles was out of town —the part about the spare bedroom is that time and Chad shares what happened.

Melanee Evans

When I first read the love story docs, I was on my way to the Oregon Coast and got to the Saturday’s Warrior part which I grew up with. I was singing The Circle of Our Love for three days straight, maddeningly. Also, Chad’s description of his outfit with blue shirt and shorts and Lori’s black workout outfit is the same look they sported in Hawaii when Nate Eaton first confronted them.

Linda M. Lee

I loved listening to both of you giggle.

Nutmegtella

When my loins are on fire I go to the pharmacy.

Nutmegtella
>>69427469

I think they are talking about dry humping. My ex told me technically he didn't cheat because they didn't have actual sex. "everything but sex" he told me. 🤢 I'd have preferred he told me they did the deed.

Crystal Swannack

That reminds me a lot of Josh Powell, when Dr. John describes Chad. Especially the part where he would say it was the spirit and the spirit deciding and telling him no, and not the women making the decision for themselves. This keeps him from having to be self-aware or even accountable for who he is and what he might lack. If he blames the spirit, he doesn't have to do any work or take the time to self-reflect. To me, it also reminds me of the type of guy who doesn't quit seem to see women as actual people but as a wife or a partner for himself and not an individual. It's hard to explain but it reminds me of somebody who is like that. ♥️

Sonja Mayfield

I don't know if anyone has noticed this but Chad is quoting the play Saturday Warriors starting with- "He had heard that voice before". It debuted at BYU in 1973, so it is very old. I only know it because my parents had a VHS copy, and as a child I watched it over and over again. I literally have the play memorized. My Dad grew up in Utah and they did the play in high school, so I think that is why he knew of it and how the tape ended up in our home. I loved the singing and dancing, but the whole thing is full of false doctrine. I feel like some of their false doctrine may have stemmed from the doctrine in this play. The characters who have a love story- they had a relationship in the premortal life and promised they would find each other on Earth, and then they do. So here is a link to the play on YouTube, and the lyrics from the specific song he quoted in his "love story" to her. So not even his love story is original. The Circle Of Our Love Words and Music by Doug Stewart and Lex de Azevedo I've seen that smile somewhere before, I've heard that voice before, It seems we've talked like this before. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sometime, who can remember when. But if I knew you then. It's strange I can't remember. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Feelings, come so very strong. Like we've known each other oh so long. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The circle of our love is more than just a rising sun that sets. The circle of our love it goes forever. The circle of our love begins with now and ev'ry promised dream. In God's eternal plan it goes forever. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The circle of our love extends beyond the reach of time. Beyond the span of days and years it goes forever. The circle of our love is found in ev'ry warm and tender thing. That lips may breathe or hearts may beat forever. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--w9bOGpi2s Here is the whole movie, if anyone wants to watch it. It may help Dr John to see where bits and pieces of this doctrine come from. I don't think much of it is original thoughts at all on Chads part. You'll probably need to watch it Lauren and give Dr. John the cliffnotes! I am a member of the church of Jesus Christ of latter day saints, but I follow the religion and Jesus Christ, not the culture! They are two very different things I have learned. I grew up in Southern CA but we now live in Rexburg, Idaho.

Erica A. Zwick

Maybe Chad sent this to Lori after Charles was killed to really pull her in. Praise her after she's killed her husband, make her feel stronger and invincible, You know, manipulate her further.

Erica A. Zwick

I think that neither Chad or Lori had decent mothering. For a 50-year-old man to have written this middle school caca....I mean...seriously...I am speechless.

Erica A. Zwick

It's funny that so many people insist that Lori was the Team Leader. It is transparently clear that Chad came up with all the ideas and plans, and manipulated Lori; however, Lori gets no pass from me.

Peg Peterson

Hi Lauren and Dr. John, Thank you. Such a horrendous topic and yet , I found myself belly laughing along with Dr John as Lauren read this ridiculous missive.

Rebel King

Did Elaina ask James if 6 was his lucky number?

MARY LENKINS

Oh...my....loinfire. Late to the game but I laughed so loud while listening to this at work.