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19 Allegations and Counting (Patreon)

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The girlies reflect on the Duggar documentary Shiny Happy People. They discuss Jim Bob and Michelle's quiver full of freaks, the darkest parts of Evangelical doctrine, and Julia's dream to visit the Creationism museum one day. Digressions include LA’s freedom from June Gloom, Eliza’s new car, and an unsettling psychic experience.

Comments

madeleine

thanks for feeding us girls

Charlie Wright

you’re keeping us fed. and i love u.

Erin

this ep is my joker btw

Sarah

Loving this ep thank u mothers

Sarah

Also I want you too know that I’ve been losing sleep over the second dc show. drop the tix i beg of you

trishy

we are being fed today

Isabella

watched the documentary just so i can gab with the girls😎

reagan

Omg im so excited to listen, my aunt used to be their pharmacist… need to see if she has any tea

Emma Steinert

As someone who was so clinically obsessed as a child that they could name all 19 children (&&& our latest tiny precious addition…) … I can not wait

Kaitlyn

This is my multiverse of madness

hannah

SOS GIRLIES I NEEEEEED YOUR COMMENTS ON THE BILLIONAIRE SUBMERSIBLE SITUATION

Rhiannon Ellis

maybe the duggar’s are just diehard fans of ukrainian metalcore (stream pisces by jinjer 💖)

Lucy Johanneman

i live really close to the creation museum (lol) and it’s right outside of cincinnati!!!! so you should come here and do a show!!!! or else. btw they used tax dollars to build it & it was a huge thing when i was in high school. i have unfortunately never been because i’m too scared to go but you have inspired me….

ssteph

2 eps in one day? if nobody got me, i know binchtopia got me

Elisabeth Jordan

just finished shiny happy people and i’m soooo excited for this. i am listeningggggggg

payt

as a formerly brainwashed fundie child i need to guest on the pod

Grace Keane O'Connor

Erin Smith in LA (vardotarot on instagram) is such a skilled tarot reader, she studied psychology and jungian archetypes alongside tarot so she incorporates that into her readings so they are quite a beautiful well rounded look at the human experience , not just stab in the dark woowoo if you get what I mean. Not for everyone of course, but I literally zoom with her from here in Ireland because she’s so 🙏🙏

Ondine

we just had la niña so the past 3 summers for me in australia have been so rainy, and the summers for u guys were rlly hot hence the bush fires but it’s abt to be el niño which is the opposite which is good for warm weather but australia is gonna BURNNN cause our bushfires are so bad

India Marriott

i wanna watch this doc so bad now???

Stina Olsson

Listening to this backstage as I turn into Pippi Longstocking

Grace

as someone who lived a 15 minute bike ride from a branch of the quiverfull cult (called the institute of basic life principles) my childhood was spent cycling Stranger Things style with my friends onto the cult property because we were all in a collective state of shock and horror that we lived so close to it. weekends from age 10-13 were spent playing a game of "will we get kidnapped by the cult this time?!" which thankfully never happened but the property itself truly did have such a sullen and haunting vibe (esp with the context that minors and women were likely abused there) and they had their own graveyard :0 when i was around 15 the leader of the cult, bill gothard (bastard of a man. he can rot) was arrested in illinois for abuse allegations so he moved the cult property to texas and then we had an ABANDONED CULT in our midwest town. needless to say i do not live in the midwest anymore

Lucas Klein

I have been to the creation museum it taught me soooo much

Callie S

every single episode title … is perfect and so very creative and nuanced … but especially this one

Ariel.Sls

… are u guys gona watch the Natalia Grace hbo doc?? it’s like the movie orphan but she’s not actually a grownup and the parents are on trial rn …..

Kirsten

do a show in Cincy and then take a trip to the creation museum 😌

Emma Mack

omfg there’s an “archeology of the bible” museum near me and i was like omg cool! and when i looked it up it was a creationism museum 😭

Ella Nelson

when i was little i begged my parents to take me to a creation museum in southern pines, NC (now called the taxidermy hall of fame lmaoo) because i was obsessed w animals and thought it was cool w/o knowing it was lowkey indoctrination

Lucy Johanneman

didn’t bethany of girl defined’s husband go to conversion therapy too…

Chloe Jones

As an arkansas girlie, I remember all this drama when it was going down literally at church(I don’t go anymore). Loved this episode. Living in Arkansas and being Baptist/evangelical just means everyone is one to two degrees away from the Duggars. (Also unfortunately Jill’s husband is pretty transphobic)

Katie

Jana is for sure one of the gays. She’s the only child still in her 30s that’s not married and still lives at home raising the kids

Clara Clark

Y’all don’t miss 😤

Clara Clark

Totally grew up in this and was schooled with the horrendous wisdom booklets but don’t worry lads somehow I came out gay and also very cool 😎 💅🏼

zoë hessian

y’all should watch take care of maya on netflix it truly is astonishing how much this girl was failed by hospitals/cps

Katya

bethany’s husband has been to conversion camp several times I’m pretty sure

kenny

beeeeegggginnggg for a fundie fridays collab

zoë hessian

omg just got to the psychic part- i used to work in a yoga studio cleaning/doing receptionist stuff and one day a fancy yoga lady came from germany and she said “oooooooo your aura is a beautiful deep purple. but i am sensing you could die a young death. could you mop the floors?” and then left i was absolutely astonished

Brittany Grendler

My best friend and coworker of years just left to go to Australia and attend Hillsong… I had tried to get her to watch the documentaries but she refused as she wanted to “form her own opinion”. It was so hard to have the conversations as a person who was raised to actually distrust churches without accidentally making her feel judged and isolated. The kicker is that our entire network of early twenties friends in rural iowa is queer, progressive and she fit in perfectly. Truly so full of love, empathy and naïveté. However all of us separately having conversations with her about how it is not safe for her there could not change the decision, regardless of how much we could all tell she was scared to go. An episode on Hillsong would be incredible and maybe she’d even listen to it.

alyssa castillo

i think it's very interesting to note that the jettset farmhouse mom just posted a video coming out about being raised in the iblp...i never realized how wide the scope of iblp survivors are

ssteph
>>111250132

would actually love an ep on the rise of rich people adventure tourism (this sub thing, climbing mt everest, blue origin rocket)

saige
>>111252328

lmao yes! they're close to each other and ran by the same people but separate cursed locations. i know too much and have never been.

gil

My best friend, a wonderful and resilient lady, is an energy healer in LA! Her name is Alyna, and she’s hilarious and effervescent so it’s not too woo-woo or crazy. Insta: @alynaarana

Jael Campbell

Help a girl out and drop the NYC psychics 🙏🏾

ava danielle

girls i hate to say this but it does snow in california just not socal

Laura Peña

Did you see Jett Set family (the mom, noelle) talked about this on her latest tik tok video. She made it sound like she grew up in a family like that

MFreel

Re: the astrologist friend. My mom is waaaay into all that shit (numerology, tarot, palm reading, dreams, you name it) and literally believes she’s psychic. It was wild being raised by her. She had her labor induced bc she didn’t want our charts to have so many squares so I was born two weeks early. I’m underbaked. My whole life I was told weird shit about like spirits latching onto me or if your hand or back or whatever itches or you get a pain it means good/bad thing happened/will happen in 3/5/8 months/days/seconds or whatever. She even changed my name at the hospital bc she believes in nameology and thinks that the numbers corresponding to the letters in your name make your life or personality play out differently. It’s mostly affected me with like identity crisis. Do I actually like the things I like or is it because of my rising? Was I just groomed to be like this or is it a self fulfilling prophecy or idk the trauma of being told wack shit about how she thought my dad would get Alzheimer’s in seven years and abuse us (even though she was still married to him and didn’t do shit about that hunch). Every few months she has a new thing she believes and backs it up with a chart or a card reading. She’ll say pretty indefensible things about my siblings and then deny it or change it based on weird things like autumn/spring mix ups or Saturn is also the planet of xyz so actually I’m correct blah blah… I just got married (elopement, she wasn’t invited) and when she first met my (then boyfriend) she said “Oh, I’m just SURE he’ll be your first husband” as if it was the most normal observation anyone could make. When I was four she looked at my hand and said I’ll be married three times. 🙃 I could go on. However being trained my entire life to remember and parrot back my dreams to her has made them very vivid and kind of a fun insight into my subconscious. So there’s that.

Maeve Barnes

when they said “pray upon him” in regards to lori i heard “prey upon him” yellowjackets style 💖

Alaina+Zoe

Not us having matching cars bestie!!! My brother’s girlfriend bought a RAV4 in Lunar Rock last year and a couple months later when I needed a new car, I said I’ll have what she’s having. The color is so gorgina, I now have a compulsion to buy everything in that color so everything I own is starting to match my car, wish I could stop.

Hanna Bowe

Omg waking up to this on my 30th birthday was the best gift to receive because I just watched this last night and I’m absolutely captivated by the whole thing (in the most horrified way possible😍😍🥰)

madeleine

GIRLS PLEASE TALK ABOUT THE SUB

Madison Flores

Screaming at Eliza’s pronunciation of Seagoville 💀 also did not know he’s there!!!!! It’s just a bit east of Dallas

Leia

The “family business” concept and saying that abuse and molestation is a private family matter is so fucking scary. My partners mother said that to me when I confronted her about abuse in the family and was immediately shut down by her saying that “family matters” are only to be discussed by “family” - a subtle homophobic jab as well

Luteal Swan

Wait who’s the Christian influencer Julia is talking about

kendall

y’all should have a write in cult/fundi episode ive got some ~stories~

Nika Kovis

Nancy Mello pet psychic!!!! Shes the fucking bomb

Sarah

The coincidence of this coming after the homeschool episode!!! Was going to write in about my boyfriend being homeschooled, he told me he saw the Duggars speak at a homeschool convention in Richmond VA 😭😭 he has so many stories about similar families

Hannah B

Girlies my grandparents are major donors to the creation museum AND the ark encounter (also a banger and in Kentucky) and they have free tickets for life. Let me know when you want to go and I will give you a tour

mace

Just FYI Jill’s husband is openly transphobic

mimi kiki

listening to this on the beeaachh i am laaying

Haven Patrick
>>111331814

wait i live kinda close and haven't been in years (since my christian era)... binchie trip

Haven Patrick
>>111331814

wait i live kinda close and haven't been in years (since my christian era)... binchie trip

Taeryn

So depressed nothing good has ever been said about KY on the pod (not your fault there’s much controversy)

Maggie

Was talking w my sis and we decided that the horse girl ep, the homeschooling ep, and the duggars ep are all sisters. The betty, cardigan, and august of binchtopia, if you will

Cassidy Knapp

pleease have fundie fridays on the pod!

Abbey W

has anyone seen that doc on netflix called Our Father abt the infertility doc that used his own sperm to impregnate his patients w/o their consent?? it’s fucking crazy and they think he was an aspiring Quiverfull dude. would love to know if other binchies have seen

Mayme Didelot

Jana is lesbian, thats why she still hasn’t married yet

Jasmine Danielle

Me screaming "It's in Kentucky!" When the creation museum was mentioned. I grew up in Boone county and my very religious grandmother is obsessed with it

maddie haines

there's a creation museum in santee california (san diego county) i went when i was in 6th grade through my hella christian school lol

Maggie Kuhns
>>111359078

yes i have and i was horrified to learn what you learn in the third ep, truly terrifying content

Rachel

Re how people stay Christian- (this isn't a justification for staying because a lot of people, me included, see how fucked up it is and leave, but just some insight on why it can be so fucking difficult) but Eliza is right that you are not taught to trust your gut or feelings, you are only taught to trust the teachings from your church/bible/parents, so it takes a lot of mental and emotional work to validate any feelings you have that go against those things. Also, when you risk losing your community if you stop believing, it's very hard to convince yourself you'll be better off not as a Christian anymore. Even if you see how fucked up things are it can take a long time to get ok with the thought of losing your family and the community that is probably ingrained in every part of your life (as is the church's goal). Even churches that aren't cults have total cult vibes because they scare people off from leaving (let's not even mention the anxiety that leaving the church will send you to hell) and tell them to ignore signs and red flags most people's instincts would tell them is wrong. Again, I'm not supporting anyone who knows about abuse and harm and all the other shit the church does and still stays and never speaks up about it, but the system/religion is designed to make you scared to leave. Like if you go out into the world the devil is going to get you. It's incredibly fucked up and really messes with your mind.

Shae

JULIA you need to watch the documentary “The Curious Case of Natalia Grace” and comment about it on the pod. It’s CRAZY

Lauren Daniels

okay so i live like a mile and half down the road from the duggars. shit has been crazy here with josh, jim bob running for office, and the doc. the whole community here is tired of them, including the evangelical community. they’ve been barred from certain establishments and churches. nearly every one of jim bobs political signs i saw had “RAPIST” painted on them. thank god he didn’t win. i used to see michelle at the grocery story a few times a month but i haven’t seen her since the story about josh came out. i pass their compound on my way home and there’s always a shit ton of cars parked out there, sometimes news trucks. but yeah, the whole community is sick of them. no one here really liked the show while it was on because it made the rest of look like weird redneck breeders for christ. i feel awful for josh’s victims but i’m glad that my community has shunned them and doesn’t give them time or attention they so desperately crave.

Lauren Daniels
>>111381807

🩷🩷🩷hey!! yeah so obviously they still have their weird fans and other crazies (it is arkansas after all) but the general consensus is that they’re delusional religious fanatics that no one wants to be associated with

Maggie Raedeke

omfg i’ve been to the creation museum and my grandparents were crazy donors to it so I literally was gifted a life time membership. I went when I was like 8 and have truly never recovered it was so bizarre. my mom was pissed bc my grandparents took me with out telling her. but I met like the president of it and he gave off the most retched vibes.

Sabrina

My name is Sabrina and I had the same car as you that you called Sabrina… (Toyota Corolla)

emily c

eliza needs to dress as big ang for the italian wedding party

Maggie Howes

Okay you girls NEED to watch the Bama Rush doc, mayhaps a whole Greek Life deep dive??

Katie Currie

As an astrologer that comment is so fucked up omggg. You never say something happened as if it’s a fact, especially a trauma, and absolutely never insist you know something about them that they don’t!!! I always tell people when they’re scared of having a “bad” placement (tiktok brain rot) that your chart will never say anything about you that you don’t already know.

Rachel

a huge part of why these churches have such huge issues with child sexual assault is purity culture - and the idolisation of innocence and purity above all else

Holly Mattox

pausing my skin care routine to say diana agron (quinn from glee) is in her superstar arc rn as well!

Jacqueline

re:intro chat PSA to the girlies covid is not at all back to normal and very much still happening! stay safe out there and wear a mask ❤️‍🩹

johanna

i’ve been to the creation museum and my only memory is sobbing and begging to leave because there was a documentary that showed a frame of a literal wall of baby skulls. don’t remember anything else, pretty sure you can ride camels there though

Emily

Josh Duggar’s sentence was extended three months bc he got caught w a cell phone in prison

Emily

Also! I don’t think Josh duggar was abused. And I think what he did as a minor is solely his parents fault <3 they did nothing to help him, or the victims, or any of their other children. As an adult, he’s just a horrible pervert pedophile and that’s solely on him.

Cricket Kaya

I have a CRAZy tarot story. A couple years ago I was at a friend's house where my friend was giving me a reading. She did a past present future reading. I don't remember the past or future but for present she predicted "material loss and destruction" which is.... not the sexyist prediction. Literally not 10 minutes later a drunk driver slams into my parked car outside her house. My car was TOTALLED, pushed up on the curb with the axel all bent out of shape. I'm never getting a reading again, lol.

viv

What’s the hill song doc? I see a few 🫢

Just for Binchtopia

GIRLS as an aspiring Theatre stress, I have to say cast of Glee ARE SUCCESSFUL!! Some have MULTIPLE TONY AWARDS !! And Lea Michelle has none (slay) so don’t give her that lol

Ashlyn

life happens in a toyota corolla (what i drive)

lauren baker

this is such a juicy topic. Have y’all considered hiring a research assistant? i think it would help flesh out these kinds of episodes with deep lore

Amanda Shelton

Being from Texas I’ve learned that if you want to go into a creation museum, you MUST present as very agreeing & accepting of all the views presented. They will kick you out so quick if they get a whiff of disagreement…

Catherine

Julia we need gav to give us the break down on Russia. My STEM brain needs history dad to walk me through it

baby.yogurt
>>111277930

that was a rumor, idk who started it but Dav addressed it himself a while back and said he has never been to conversion therapy. I suppose it's up to u if u wanna believe the guy but that is the gist

baby.yogurt
>>111283619

this was a rumor, Dav addressed this a while ago and said that never happened.....i'm p sure it started bc he made some weird joke in a youtube video and ppl took it to mean something else and and ran away with it

baby.yogurt
>>111300218

wait this is so similar to my situation!! (rewriting bc I accidentally hit delete!) my mom has always been extremely into numerology, astrology, tarot, divination, psychic stuff, the list goes on. she even tried to get my brother and I to believe we had psychic powers or something when we were younger, and would also tell us random stuff like if ur palm itches it means ur going to come into some money soon, or if a candle flame flickers that means there's lots of anger in the room....she has always called herself clairvoyant and thinks her kids could be too if we just believed her, and. she used to have dreams that she believed were prophetic and would tell me that certain things were going to happen in my future based on these dreams (spoiler she was super wrong!). like ur mom my mom also used to sometimes have theories about things she thought my dad was doing to sabotage the rest of us, and would tell us about it for some reason. I could prob write a book on this but essentially the stuff she believed/tried to get me to believe in rly confused me for a long time and I'm so glad that when I got to be an older teenager I started distancing myself from her/her beliefs. When I was 17/18 I realized I was an atheist and a couple years ago I finally cut her off (for lots of reasons not mentioned here). Anyways I wanted to share since our stories seem to overlap, and I'm really sorry you have had to go through all that!

Sabrina Martin

southern tour!!!! Eliza we need Appalachian representation!!!!!!

cybersylk

Commenting this here even tho it’s unrelated but fr thank you for the D Mannose rec I know y’all hear it all the time but it has SAVED MY LIFE

Colleen S

joy-anna has been giving lesbian from the start

a

love the girls but speculating about someone’s sexuality really isn’t it

Victoria mantillan

omg i was thinking the other day we need a fundie friday collab... TUNING IN now..

Eleanor

so true about psychics and mediums preying on the vulnerable... like i knew my tarot reading was WRONG and yet i still ended up CRYING to the tarot lady by the end of the session

aly

Christian culture really emphasizes the importance of “honoring your father and mother”. Growing up Mormon that was a huge outlet for control. I do not think the Duggar kids are going to do a tell all anytime soon just because they have to keep commandments from the Bible :/

Hannah

love u girls but pls do basic research on these ppl before saying you think jill’s husband is great. he’s openly transphobic homophobic and racist

Emily West

Podcast “Someplace Underneath” does a multi episode deep dive into the Duggar family and the the IBPL 🙏🏻

Téa Lindsey

I had the same experience with a tarot reader (I am a very spiritual girly and have read tarot for 10 years so this was a laaame experience) I went ON MY BIRTHDAY and she told me she saw a dark energy within me that she didn’t know if she could help with and then asked me if I was SAd as a child…. Jail

Jules

am i the only one who disagrees that all pedophiles should be castrated and burned like… and that thinking perpetuates the system and cycle. And leads to more abuse!!! i thought we were all disciples and followers of sarah marshall 😢 let me know if i sound crazy ig

Holly Mattox

plz y’all it isn’t letting me watch the new drunk history/…..

Ondine

I NEED the drunk history rn baes it’s not working

Holly Mattox

patreon is on thin ice rn…..

Emily Kane

i am drunk and need the drunk history

Jules
>>111587879

i reallly think you should listen to the You’re Wrong About “sex offenders” episode .. unless u hate nuance ;P

Danielle

I can’t emphasize this enough, get a pet psychic reading from MetaPsychics! I found them on YouTube/tiktok. They’re two young girls, like your age Eliza. They’re psychic mediums, and basically are just sharing their experience of being a psychic medium. She comes from a family where the women are psychic mediums. She is a skeptic herself, saying “idk this all could be untrue” because she’s so real. 0% scam, they’ll do it over zoom. I got a reading for my kitties and they basically told me their fav toys, what they would like more of in my home, and I learned one of my obnoxious / pretentious kitties has a connection to the diety of wine lol. She nailed all of their personalities and things they like to do. Even the little stray kitty that lives in my yard was spoken about. I didn’t give her any insight to my cat’s personalities and she still got them all. I originally booked because I rescued a stray kitten who was extremely scared even a year after me having her. I feared she was traumatized by this horrible vet I saw right when I took her in. The psychic said she was scared of a large man, who smelled bad, and dropped her when she was being held. This is 100% true and she taught me how to work through it with her. They’re lovely people and I really hope you look in to it! 🫶🏻🫶🏻

Averie Jeffus

as a northwest arkansas binchie, all the duggar content coming out rn feels INSANE… like, it was a regular occurrence to just run into them at the local mexican restaurant on sunday afternoons 😭

Emma Biddle

as a kentuckian we do not claim the creation museum!!!!!!!

Madison

I had a traumatizing psychic reading from someone who told me my partner and I would break up in September!! Why would you tell someone that?!? I was literally just there for career/life path advise, not my relationship. Anyways, we’re happy and chilling and have literally no problems 💅🏻

duru

u guys should have caroline calloway on 🩷

Jillian

Ugh I have a 2020 lunar rock rav 4 and i will love her til the day I die!!! So happy for you Eliza

Erin

I recently learned the correct term is actually child sexual abuse material now which is more fitting as the word porn implies consent

Erin
>>111587879

The ones that don't offend? And can't help that they're paedos because they've been abused themselves?

Erin
>>111587879

No not crazy at all, I'm assuming they meant OFFENDING paedophiles

Jane Laurence

my j name ass was holding my BREATH as u read the kids out