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The girlies are back from sabbatical to discuss the psychos that tour even longer and harder than us — rockstars. They give you a brief rundown of rock as a genre, why it died in the 90's (according to Eliza and Gav), the property damage, animal abuse, and general tomfoolery of rock's greatest frontmen, and how touring damages your psyche. Digressions include Julia's review of The Rodeo, Eliza's fear that she's passing down generational trauma to her cat, and our ongoing beef with one listener's father. 

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liz

YAYYYYYYYY

Natalia Gevara

not me staring out the train wistfully on the way to nyc wishing for a new binchtopia episode..just for this episode to drop rn…God heard my suffering and He answered

Gillian Simpson

this could not have come at a more perfect time thank u binches

lils

YESSS THANK U I WAS SUFFERING

Jane L.

YAYAYAYYAYAAYYAYAAYAY

katie

YAYAYAYYAAYYYY

Brianna Bogucki

wow I was experiencing the horrors at my marketing job & this brought me back from the ledge

☆Sara☆

omg i already know these are all gonna be about Motley Crue, Nirvana, or Metallica. Thank you for absolutely FEEDING us rocker binchies ❤️❤️❤️

Lien Duke

Thank you so much ❤️❤️❤️ Having the worst week of my life and this is really pulling me out of the trenches.

Kate Winslow

So do an episode on kombucha

Ryn C

When this dropped I literally thought “thank godddd” as I’m slogging through my last couple of days before I go on vacation ofc

Tiff

clap if you're experiencing the horrors at your marketing job!

Rebecca

I wasn’t sure if I was going to make it thru another day without a binchie episode so I feel externally blessed rn

libby

I had a hardcore Instagram stan account for Queen and the Beatles in 2013-2015, and the community of teenage girl stans for these 40-50 year old bands was so interesting, I loooooved to kiki with my fellow insane girlies thirsting over dead rock stars

Kaiya

julia- i’ve been drinking kombucha for like a month now and it has definitely helped calmed my tummy and i’m significantly less bloated. i just got my period today and i’m barely bloated at all which is a major slay

Madeline Mauk

JULIARRR the way i just had a baby girl and she’s in the nicu bc she was a few weeks early and you had to bring up the baby killing nurse. i forgive eliza your concerns ab bug are so valid, every time i leave the nicu i’m worried i’m ruining any secure attachment but it’s fine bug and baby charlie will be fine. so glad you queens are back on the main

Narcisa

1. I also thought Seth and Joe Rogan were the same people until like a year ago 2. I also fear Im traumatizing my dogs by living in an apartment and not giving them a yard to run around in and feel a lot of dog parent guilt 😭

Narcisa

I also literally have nightmares about their being an electrical fire and my dogs dying while I’m at work or asleep or something so MOTHERS RISE UP

Laura

GTs has major labor violations! My werk just stopped carrying them. Owner said some crazy shit abt a guy who died from working at the factory ruining the vibes of the kombucha or something

Kiana Pattni

eliza as a mother i get it, i will always find a way to worry about my cat no matter what event is occurring

jaq

eliza needs to be a stay at home mom for bug and harley fr

Grace

Fellow chronically anxious cat mom feeling very seen, Eliza!!!

jaq

eliza but no literally me too i am sympathizing so hard w u fr 😭😭 when i got back from LA and NYC (after the live nyc binch pod ep) crumb was doing the same with me and it’s so painful as a mother

samara

oh my god loved this ep!!! pls talk about the band fanny in the next ep or at least listen to them they’re an all women 70s rock band and they are so fucking amazing!!!!

raven

eliza i relate so hard to your anxieties about cat parenting 😭😭

Sarah

The first episode I truly remembering listening to when I first was recommended this podcast and did a binge was the fast fashion episode. So good!

Allie

OKAYYY GAV CAMEO!

Vanessa Thomas

As a human mother I do feel heard and seen and your worries are valid, Eliza 🫶🏽🫶🏽🫶🏽

Julia Tassava

the sugar in kombucha feeds the good bacteria and the culture so the sugar that goes into kombucha isn't just like refined sugar that would be in something like a soda... it gets like eaten up by the bacteria. Some brands add sugar to the fruit flavoring I believe. GT's brand has less sugar than others but they have sketchy labor practices. I have IBS and kombucha helps a ton and i also make my own

Dianna Cohen

having a breakdown first day back at college after some time off thank god this came out

vee

yeah i wanna get a little funky with it but at the end of the day i am a man

Cat Cat

aw eliza listening to old episodes ur voice is so diff be still my heart

aquariuskitty

eliza i was listening to pulp and my boyfriend thought you said “i suck the pope until i choke” …..

soph

elizar my darling cat got separation anxiety horribly as a kitten and is recovering! sometimes it helps to let the kitty come to you (like sit in their fav spot until they join u) and also to go out for short periods and come back soon so they see that you do return! but they can get better don’t worry too much, i am also a BIG cat mommy and i worry about my babies all the time ❤️

Emily

Oh my god thank gos the drought has broken than k GOD

ssteph

eliza ur cat anxiety is sooooo valid i’m exactly the same with my two kitties

Kay

Rock officially doesn’t sound like a real word anymore hdjfn

Wawallama

Also on gender politics in music- the cords for amps, speakers etc the connection hole is called female connection and the the plug side is male connection sooooooo yah

Kayla

Therapy / therapy speak / the way it’s changed over time, need the research and Julia’s thoughts 💭

Sophie Kussman

Not you bringing up cody johnson and dear rodeo julia omg. Lowkey one of the best concerts I’ve seen 😂

amanda is mad

“Is that an earthquake?” ELIZAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

McKenna Walwyn

Omg I was just in Jackson Hole visiting my best friend that works at Cowboy Coffee!

Grace Murray

When Gav said Justin Bieber did that I loooost it

Berkley 🌸

This really makes me think of Alyson Stoner and their amazing podcast/video series on YouTube about child stardom. Highly highly recommend, currently airing too- episodes every Friday

Emily

I would like to shout out the greatest rock star to ever exist (Stevie Nicks)

alexa schnur

listen to clapton on my radio

Alyssa ♡

as a southern binchie i miss eliza’s southern lilt justice for the pre-LA accent

Julianna

The pedophilic beauty standards one is sooooo good

theodora baranowski

In My Old Hag Era ladies rise UP that’s my favorite ep of all time

Annip

i've been waiiiiting for eliza and julia to get hip to the series

Isø

Loveeeeee this ep! But THE STROKES ERASURE what is thissssss? also the greatest rock album of all time Hole’s Live Through This deserves praise! As a Bri’ish binch I narcissistically crave a Brit pop era deeep dive, I would lay down my life for Pulp and Blur - also Arctic Monkeys kept rock alive and well round these parts

Isø

Also shout out to DREAM WIFE current ladies who RÖCK

Kiki Frost

Would love to say I also constantly confuse Joe Rogan and Seth Rogen….

Charlie Marchand

Eliza talking about bug as her son is giving the son sketch about “oh my SOOOON”

Tori D

i wore my bitches hate nuance shirt to the airport in berlin and the security guard who did my body scan said bye bitch!

Isø

I attended my first Swiftogeddon last week and it was pure joy, I have never felt safer and happier! Highly recommend to any UK binchies, also worth flying across the world for, a lot cheaper than a live ticket and just as fun! Mz Swift is a true rockstaaaaah mate

Hannah

Eliza as a fellow mother (of a perfect cat son and perfect cat daughter) I have also been considering going the pet psychic route 😭 I was so anxious about them when I went on a business trip for the first time which was not helped by the cat sitter telling me they seemed sad without me. I can at least talk to them through my pet camera but it feels like a cruel tease to them. I tried to commiserate with my coworker who’s a new dad and he made a good point which is that at least with his baby, there’s always an adult around to give him updates on the baby

Mats

last chance to eat it is taking me outtttt

Caroline

the Fleetwood Mac and Stevie Nicks erasure but obsessed with this ep and so happy y’all are backkkkkk🧎🏼‍♀️🙏🏼🧎🏼‍♀️

Alexis

Not me looking up the Sara Barellies song fairy tale. I swear to god it looked so real when I was 10 💀

Aubrey Rion

Eliza! U follow my boyfriends rock band on instagram, @wearetheboas !! Rock and roll lives on

Marisa Modugno

Listen to “the retrievals” !!! Audio documentary podcast about the Yale fertility clinic nurse who stole fentanyl and made hundreds of women undergo egg retrieval procedures without pain meds

Conor McMahon

Next time y’all go on tour you should throw meat at us like Ozzy Osborne

baby.yogurt

regarding kombucha and IBS, I personally noticed that kombucha was making me more bloated so I don't drink it anymore, idk if that's due to the carbonation or little organisms or what but it didn't work for me. based on my layman's speculation I don't feel like kombucha is rly as "gut healthy" as people think but like I said that's more based on vibes and I'm not sure tbh

Meredith Floyd

eliza’s noises during the bat story are sendingggg me😭

Meredith Floyd

also as a born & raised san antonio girlie - the alamo was our fourth grade field trip & the ozzy osbourne peeing on the alamo fun fact was repeated to no END & we all thought it was hilarious until our teacher said the next one to say it would get in trouble because she was tired of hearing it and also because someone asked one of the alamo employees if it was true during a Q&A section of their presentation instead of asking about the actual battle💀

Kirsten Drehobl

Yoooo everyone go listen to Måneskin right now- the songs bang in English and Italian, they’re a proper band, all members are sexy, very queer, cannot say enough about them

Kjerstin Berg

I have stomach problems and I don’t drink caffeine. I started drinking kombucha every day at work to wake me up and it caused me to have a 10 week GI infection that led to me getting diagnosed with IBS at the CVS minute clinic, which is horrible medical practice according to my doctors. I couldn’t keep anything down and I would wake up with hunger when I was consistently drinking kombucha. I stopped drinking it and my stomach problems improved significantly.

Yael

Ooooh I’ve been WAITING for an ep on this!!!

Yael

Can anyone recommend good music history podcasts that might go more in depth about different rock subgenres?

Josefina Troncoso

Julia, I have to follow the low FODMAP diet and unfortunately kombucha is awful for me :’((((( it used to be my favourite because I don’t drink soda but I like a little fun non alcoholic drinketydrink, but I have all sorts of gastrointestinal fuckery going on and kombucha made it worse… at first I thought that feeling slightly Weird meant that it was “working” but actually given how slow my digestion is (I have slight gastroparesis) it was just shakingggg up the absolute nuclear disaster of bacteria I must have in my guts 🫠 I think I’ve written gastro advice for you over here so given that we might be ~gastrointestinally similar~ so chances are you might benefit from a low FODMAP diet (not diet in the evil sense of the word but more like… sticking to products that don’t set off food intolerances?) or at least just say bye to kombucha :(

Josefina Troncoso

also yeah holy shit the Lucy Letby case is just… incomprehensible?????? I’m not “into” serial killers at all but I’m fascinated by her because she really doesn’t fit the various possible profiles of serial killers at all so like… wtf is going AWN

abby elsethagen

hi binchies, love u so so so much but to be completely honest if you think rock is dead you’re literally not looking hard enough lol. I live in boise, idaho and we have an incredible, thriving subculture of local rock and punk bands that are making fantastic rock n roll music. if it’s in boise, it’s everywhere!

abby elsethagen

also!! for next week you should absolutely watch the documentary “the punk singer” (i think it’s still free on youtube), it’s about the riot grrrl genre that was born out of the same subculture that kurt cobain came from and talks about the influence the women in that scene had over mainstream grunge as well as just interviewing and chatting with some badass female rockers. it’s about kathleen hanna but it goes into depth about the whole scene & a lot more.

Ryan Setchel

eliza boymom mode over bug’s attachment style

avery fast

I am here to confirm I also confuse Joe Rogan and Seth Rogen regularly that and kombucha hurts my tummy

maya

not the nu metal slander

Sarah

So excited for next weeks ep cause when I saw St. Vincent’s Masseduction guitar in the MET’s rock and roll exhibit I cried 💛

baby.yogurt

I feel u, my gut is absolutely disastrously messed up, like it's a huge reason why I quit my last job and am currently unemployed. couldn't try fodmap because of my many food intolerances, and I also stopped drinking kombucha a long time ago bc it was bad for me too.... I'm sorry ur gut is messed up I know how BAD it sucks and I wish you all the best with ur symptoms and hopefully reincorporating non fodmap diet foods eventually god willing <3

mimi

oh god me too. do you have SIBO? i do and any probiotic food messes me uppp.

Willow

Jenn Wenner is my uncle!! Pronounced “yawn” 💖💖

Luteal Swan

I used to work for the wellness department for a natural foods store and my boss met the GT kombucha man at a conference and said he was weird as fuck lol

riavis

Loved this ep! I feel like rock isn’t necessarily dead it’s just been split into so many sub-genres. Coming from the southern hemisphere there’s a pretty big rock scene, especially in Australia with what’s often called bogan rock or garage rock, if you want extremely strong Aussie accents yelling about things check out amyl and the sniffers

Luteal Swan

Also besties I ordered my tote a month ago and I don’t have it yet 🥺

Jane L.

me listening to this ep on my week of being sick after pushing my body to the limit... u binchies are my sole company in this place of covid

Jamesy

“ITS JOVER” JUST SENT MEEEE HAHAH

Meredith

taylor swift is on uppers

Leoni

As a Scottish binchie I 110% agree with britpop deep dive & Arctic monkee for sure keeping rock alive, especially now feel like they’ve had a major revival

Leoni

And arctic monkeys are so influential in the UK for indie rock bands

Rhiannon Ellis

omg i came here to say basically the same thing! im based near london and we have such a thriving doom/stoner/psychedelic metal scene AND it’s def for the girlies! don’t get me wrong it’s still predominantly male, but there’s so many big, well-respected and genuinely ace bands that don’t have an all male line-up, electric citizen, windhand, alunah, acid king, electric wizard etc, (or have no men at all - blackwater holylight) it’s such a nice change and genuinely the nicest bunch of people to be around! so much fun for a genre based around being miserable!

Meredith Pelt

DID YOU GO TO THE MILLION DOLLAR COWBOY BAR JULIA

Lydia Schuchard

This is such an interesting episode fr— one of my closest friends’ has a partner who is a touring manager. I wonder all the time about how that lifestyle affects their relationship and sometimes I ask her about it and she always responds with a very “this is fine” attitude (but the dog is in the burning room .meme.gif) this ep definitely makes me see their relationship in a different light and gives me some insight into what they might be going thru …

Herberta Cain

Imagine doing all this research and talking about sexism in rock and even mentioning the Seattle post-punk scene but NOT talking about Bikini Kill or Kathleen Hanna :(

Raven Decorah

THE MOTHERS HEAR U ELIZA 🫡🥰

Isø

Circling back for more on the UK rock scene - I was a devoted NME subscriber from 2007-2011 and it was a true golden age of indie/rock. I saw sooo many great bands and have zero regrets. In 2010 they had their first female editor, Rihanna was on the cover and it truly shifted the culture. There was a horrific basic/racist/misogynist backlash which exposed the underlying bad vibes of the whole scene. NME basically crumbled after that when the readers either dug their heels into their bigotry or woke up to the fact that the magazine had worshiped bands of mediocre white men for years. I ultimately accepted that pop music was just as impactful and artistic and never looked back. There are still some white men with genuine talent but soooo many are just shit and boring, trying to ride off a culture that is thankfully long dead. Be discerning with your fandom! Lady Gaga thank you for changing my life!

Alex

The strokes/early 2000s indie rock erasure hurt me!!

Chloe Groom

Please do an ep on the satanic panic!

annabelle allen

rock revival is coming!! bands like narrow head, milly (local la band you should check out eliza!) hardcore is rlly popular in phoenix idk about anywhere else but theres def some awesome modern rock music :) and even like slowcore which is rock adjacent but i know theres a lot of really dope diy rock scenes and ik many people in bands ahaha

Emma

I’m at 24:39 of the ep and I had to park my car to type this out. Eliza, I am just as paranoid and anxious and overbearing about my cat, Kiwi. She is my angel baby and I would defend her even if she mauled the face off of a small child. Kiwi has always been obsessed with me to the point where I too worry that I have imparted my anxious ways on her. I have no solutions I just want to tell you that you are not alone.

Emma West

plz talk about riot grrrl next week

Jenna Hare

Let’s all listen to the Regrettes after this 💅 slayful rock girlies

Jenna Hare

Suzi Quatro- I Wanna Be Your Man is our hype song

Brianna Alarcon

this episode REVIVED me, and the small bit where eliza BRIEFLY talked about the excitement around the british punk/ new wave scene in the 80s. i had a whole ass college radio show dedicated to the British Invasion 😭 its a personality trait thanks to my mother xx

Jenna Hare

We need a psychological evaluation of these men

Sloan

ELIZA I am also in a state of constant anxiety about my impact on my dogs and fear how absurdly anxious I will be about the health over my future children 🫡

Olivia

Have y’all seen that Jon Bon Jovi’s 21 year old son is married to Millie Bobby Brown???

Angela Darley

mostly agree w you all about rock dying w kurt cobain. i will however advocate for the rock revival movement of the early 2000s. ik eliza mentioned meet me in the bathroom and that’s such a great book. i think bands like the strokes, interpol, yeah yeah yeahs, and tv on the radio had really great distinctive rock sounds. i think rock definitely died w the year 2010

Julia

Also why were still seeing today not as many women running for positions of power and the election process in America how it’s corrupt

Soph

would greta van fleet be considered rock revival?

Sophie

absolutely amazing episode!!! as the only child of a failed rock “star” (being real generous with that term), i can confirm that, if left unchecked, even a few years of touring can destroy your relationship with your kid ❤️

Lucia M

That line from the article about the Beatles ending: “instead I say goodbye to all of you” goes so hard. I listened to this yesterday and am still thinking about it

alex

girlies!!! on the topic of mental health and rock i highly recommend the movie “her smell”! its very loosely baded on courtney love but very good nonetheless

alex

also if u talk about courtney love next week and the rriot girl movement i might actually die

Juliana Dexter

Begging u guys to mention Hayley Williams next week!!!!

Alaina+Zoe

My favorite binchtopia episode is “My Close and Personal Friend, Beyoncé” because it was the first episode I ever listened to and against all advice and logic shared in that literal episode, have had a parasocial friendship with the both of you ever since! Love!

Alaina+Zoe

Also just wanted to stand in solidarity with my girl Eliza and how she feels about her cats. As a mother of 2 cats, I’ve never felt so heard and seen in my life

Sloan

The atl underground really said idc about the circumstances the show must go on (or we sue) ~~~ also I’m honored to have been at such a memorable show (incl the mc’s asking where y’all were every 10 minutes but still not being prepared lol)

Sloan

You’re wrong about has a good ep on it! It was one of their first

Kate Curl

when my favorite pod mentions my favorite album ram 🤗🤗

Sloan

I think we need a Gav reaction to Greta Van Fleet

Marwa

I fear im passing generational trauma to my baby too 😔

jessie

i was gonna also comment about hardcore. the scenes in american cities are so alive and completely diy it’s really sick to be a part of

iva

there are soo many bands still around, so many wonderful blooming scene’s everywhere! the “rock is dead” idea is mostly perpetuated by people who don’t want to interact with the modern scene at all!

iva

i agree! we are in living in great times of incredible music, so many amazing alternative bands! sadly, this idea of people claiming rock is dead just because they don’t know about it is really common

iva

this idea that rock is dead/there are no great rock bands left is an idea commonly perpetuated by older man who are not interested in interacting with modern music/just want to listen to the music they grew up listening to. i assure you that any young person involved in any modern alternative scene will tell you that we live in incredible times for alternative music. soooo many amazing punk/rock/hardcore bands all around, you just have to look slightly out of the mainstream. i wish you would have looked into that a bit more or asked someone who is involved in the scene to come on and talk about it. some recommendations: amyl and the sniffers, prink, horsegirl, bcnr, black midi, shame, skating polly <3

Emma Rose

The urge to spend a day and a half making a playlist with songs enshrining every era they reference and listening to it while listening to this ep for full effect is strong

chessie

this was so interesting to listen to! my fiancé is a touring musician & he loves it and is obnoxiously emotionally well adjusted to it lmao. I do wonder if the fact that 1. he physically cannot drink (he’s allergic) and 2. he’s just playing bass in the back he’s not famous, make it easier for him to handle it. He also gets along really well with the band he’s with and they’re all pretty tame as far as the partying goes. I have heard horror stories about the crew though.

chessie

but idk he’s said he loves only having a few hours of his day being scheduled and loves getting to wake up on the bus and just walk around a new city every day.

Nat

loooooved this ep and so excited for next weeks ep! wondering if u girlies have any thoughts on the band greta van fleet? they get so much hate for sounding like older rock bands (led zeppelin) but in my opinion i love that they’re a newer band with music that’s reminiscent of “true” rock and roll! i also think it’s so interesting that their fan base is mostly women!!!

Charlotte Beck

strokes fans (me) SCREAMING when eliza said rock died with kurt cobain

Charlotte Beck

rock died in 2013 when my chemical romance broke up and rock was reborn on august 23, 2022 in nashville, tennessee when frontperson gerard way wore a cheerleading uniform on stage. argue with the wall

Rhiannon Ellis

i am no better than a man for this comment but… i feel like there’s a reason why we point to kurt cobain’s death as the death knell for rock as a whole, but it’s not because it died with him. rock has always been, or at least was supposed to be, counter-cultural/anti-establishment. nirvana’s popularity came at a time where record-labels and marketing execs worked out how to condense and commodify that attitude and angst and it worked for them, like, really worked. (shoutout Mark Fisher’s Capitalist Realism) any bands since them that have even come close to emulating that same raw energy have felt passé, like a cover-band, or heaven forbid, cringe? a lot of that is down to marketing (or over-marketing) and blatant attempts to cash in on trend cycles rather than a genuine desire to create something authentic (not always the artist’s fault). all this to say, rock isn’t dead, it’s still thriving, it’s just not mainstream. it’s gone underground and that’s not a bad thing. (cue another shameless shoutout to doom metal, an expansive genre for the girlies (bc we own the void), and some of my faves; SubRosa, Blackwater Holylight, Acid King, Electric Wizard, King Woman, Windhand, electric citizen, Alunah and Lowen!)

Nathalie Bessette

I would love to hear an entire episode about patti smith and Chelsea Hotel and that whole scene!

Danielle

Nikki sixx’s book heroine diaries is really good! He talks about his turbulent upbringing and his inability do deal with the emotions that came from it and how that impacted his behavior as an adult (there is no morality assigned to the statement above lol)

Alex Swift

Keith Richards’ book “Life” is one of my fav books ever. Gets into the naming of the band (which came directly from the Muddy Waters song) and the meaning behind multiple songs. It’s so good and honest. I love Keith

snailgoblin

not me almost getting in a car crash while listening to this episode😮‍💨

Carolyn Thompson

My mom also hates my binchtopia bitches hard nuance sweatshirt🙄

Ava Anderson

Fellow cat mom JUST as worried about her baby constantly, I hear you eliza😭 I literally sobbed in front of the vet and nurses the other day while they were taking my baby’s blood bc I had never heard my her scream and cry like that in my life, meanwhile she was just dramatic and completely fine.

Oli Chau

Satanique Panique

freya

GUYS IM SO HAPPY U SAID JOVER, basically my boyfriend kept saying jover and i never asked what it actually was, but assumed it was a christian thing for some reason????? then i started saying it all the time only to find out it was about JOE BIDEN😭 i was like omg does anyone even know what i’m saying but now i feel immensely better after hearing u guys say it

Luteal Swan

Deadhead binchies reveal yourselves 💀 🌹 🌻 🐈‍⬛

Emma MacDonald

asked my dad when he thinks rock died, his response: “late 90s or early 2000s, or when Eddie Van Halen died” !!

Emma MacDonald

side note Slash’s “autobiography” is how i learned what sex was because i read it when i was barely 8 years old and was allowed to take anything out from the library 🤩

Jaelyn Wratchford

i competed at miss america and some of these parallels with the impacts of touring rlly put me in a place of bruh

Ruthie Hall

Kombucha is good for you it has tons of probiotics and the sugar helps the yeast ferment which creates probiotics

Holly Mattox

i REALLY wish y’all would’ve talked more about Alice In Chains…they’re from seattle as well, their frontman was in a hair metal band before forming AIC, they also were just as much a forerunner of grunge as nirvana - and they actually broke onto the mainstream BEFORE nirvana, so i’d argue against saying nirvana informed Alice In Chains … also (not fun) fact their lead singer and kurt cobain actually died on the same day! Anyway

Holly Mattox

ok i’m at the part where y’all are saying you deserve to be wrong sometimes which is true but i still stand behind this

Amana Qureshi

Would love to hear your take on sublime

freya

loveeeeeeee big thief

jaleesa flores

I am a kitty mama LISTENING and UNDERSTANDING bc I just moved in w my luv but haven’t been able to transition my kitty boys (2 sibs) from my moms to our new place bc there are our other girls (2 kitty sibs as well) plus our roomies OTHER kitty children, and I didn’t want to bring them without catifying the place enough for everyone to have enough scent soakers. I plan on transitioning them this upcoming week bc when I go to my moms they aren’t cuddling for as longgggg but I feel them just not settling to cuddle w me bc they know I’m leaving before it’s nighttime—— I’ve BEEN thinking abt how they’re protecting themselves 🥲

Jess

true but i think their point still stands that smells like teen spirit was The Turning Point,,, alice in chains was like the rumbling in the ground before the stampede coming full force onto the scene

Jess

i hate to be like,,, That Garden Fan bringing them up whenever possible but i have to say as an lifelong fan of rock i think the spirit of punk is kept alive with the garden. they aren’t held back by the legacy of rock and continue to push the boundaries of the genre; their music is all about raw ambition and they tour CONSTANTLY because it pays the bills but also because it’s what they love to do. and they seem to really have a healthy relationship to the lifestyle in general

Holly Mattox

totally! i’m not disagreeing with that part. i’d say that’s literally indisputable. i disagree with the posit that nirvana informed alice artistically/culturally - alice stood on their own. it’s probably just semantics / or that this part of the episode wasn’t as deeply researched or necessarily important to the discussion (the episode isn’t about grunge after all), but nirvana and alice are really very different and fall on nearly opposite sides of the metal-to-grunge spectrum that the big 4 occupies. i think nirvana has been longggg enduring and very particularly glamorized in the culture, which makes it easy to use them as the representative of the era - which isn’t necessarily wrong! it’s obvious why nirvana were the ones to corner mainstream culture and i do think they’re the best representative of grunge. i just think it’s boring and inaccurate to conflate the entire genre/seattle scene as “nirvana and their subsequent sound-alikes”, which people so often do. this episode didn’t do that explicitly, but you can definitely tell that idea informed that part of the discussion. this is so film-bro of me and so inconsequential but obviously very important to me personally lol

saiju

With love and respect but elizer ur age is really showing with this Green Day erasure. 9/11 was deffo NOT the 9/11 of rock !!!!!! 9/11 (and the Bush admin in general) literally jumpstarted a crazy (pop) punk rock revival that went from Bad Religion to Avril Lavigne. Also I am hurt by the exclusion of punk and riot grrrrls but who cares lol

Sarah Greene

ladies!!!! meet me in the bathroom is the name of a strokes song!!! off their first album which is still to this day regarded amongst music critics as one of the best/most successful debut albums of all time in the industry !!! the strokes SINGLE-HANDEDLY revived the rock genre as a whole following its death to Rap taking over in popularity in the late 90s. the strokes revived the local rock scene in the early 2000s in nyc, then nationally with the debut of their first album in 2001, which literally catapulted rock back into the mainstream in america and kickstarted the entire genre we now know as “post-punk”!!! they’re SOLEY responsible for all the popular pop-punk/post-punk/“indie” rock bands that soon came to follow after them in the mid 2000s-early 2010s (the killers, arctic monkeys, arcade fire, etc etc)

Sam Haimowitz

“— is that an earthquake..?” LMFAOOOO

Elise

totally agree with this, like there’s so many good modern bands that formed as a unit!!

Elise

cleaning my guitar while listening to this ep and hearing the girlies talk about the lack of bands these days 😀

Erica Richardson

babes i love ya but you cannot put rage against the machine in the same bucket as limp bizkit 🥲

Darell Hawley

Nooo dont do Rage against the machine like that - the lead singer is actually really sick. He comes from a family of Mexican revolutionaries and he actually testified against the US in front of the UN for mishandling of justice against the case for Abu-Jamal.

cordelia price

i don’t think that rock died with kurt cobains death i just think maybe the idea of a rockstar did …

stonefruit

I really recommend you guys listen to the song The Opener by an Australian band called Camp Cope! It’s about being a woman in the (rock) industry, not being taken seriously and consistently only being booked as the token female opener. A perfect female rage song.