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Star Trek: TNG 3x04 Full Reaction! (Patreon)

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2024-09-21 17:00:06
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Star Trek TNG 3x04 Full Reaction - Sesskasays

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Ryan

The part I was most looking forward to here was if you could recognize Ray Wise under the prosthetics in those few seconds before his credit comes up. And I'd forgotten just how much coincidental Twin Peaks stuff there is here, a year before it started, with a character named Palmer and the title Overseer, where you now can't help expecting Liko to say the Overseer looked a lot like the guy investigating his daughter's death. And the rest of the town was probably thinking "At least this time he didn't wake up with white hair singing Mairzy Dotes; that was a weird few days." I'd guess that at this point Wise would be most recognizable from Robocop, so this made a pretty huge contrast, and it's also pretty fun that he'd go on to play both Satan and a cartoon strawman atheist. That also reminds me that if you haven't seen it, definitely check out The Haunting from 1963, which also has a Twin Peaks actor and has the same source material as a Mike Flanagan show, in which that same actor also appeared in a direct reference to his Twin Peaks role. The episode has gotten some criticism for having an anti-religion message, especially Picard's big speech about it, but I find there's enough wiggle room to figure his real problem is being considered a god himself rather than any broader disdain for religion as a whole. There's actually an episode of The Orville that covers this same topic very well, and even makes a better case for the importance of the Prime Directive than Trek has ever managed, in which the planet has a faster timeframe so the long term effects of the new religion become clear, and very disturbing. Let this go too far and before you know it, you've got evil unicorns taking people to Candy Mountain. I also have to give special attention to composer Ron Jones, who gives the Mintakan society a very distinctive feel with basically a synthesizer rendition of a pan flute. In one of the worst decisions of the entire franchise, he was fired after this season for literally being too good at his job and supposedly distracting from the rest of the show. But we can be very thankful for what we got.

Thomas Corp

First off, I’m glad you said about the phone call right away, because otherwise, that would have eaten away at me worrying about technical issues or other emergencies that caused the reaction to be split up. And at the end, you said the call itself was nothing terribly serious, and I felt better. Now to the episode. Yeah, this episode was superbly excellent. Casting is great with Ray Wise, who I knew you’d be happy to see. And there is the great and immensely talented Pamela Adlon whom I absolutely adore. Here credited by her maiden name, Pamela Segall. I freaked out about Pamela being a guest star, even outright saying, “Wait!! Pamela’s in this!?!?! Holy SHIT, yes!!!” It’s funny how you can’t quite recognize her under the makeup, but her voice is unmistakable. And although yes, Pamela does not have the most prominent role in this, she is still great, and her character was a sharp cookie. Likewise, though not the easiest to recognize Ray under the makeup, his voice too is distinctive that you catch on fast. The whole problem is started by the camouflage not camouflaging, as you put it. With that, it explores, as you said, a grey area of the Prime Directive, which I share your love of that. Leads to the lovers’ spat between Picard and Beverly. It does go against her training to just let a man die, especially when they are responsible for his injuries. What would Hippocrates say? What would Socrates say? And what would we say if Picard and Beverly’s argument led to a more emotionally charged scene? Probably, we’d love it. A problem further arises when Palmer goes missing, despite the fact that Leland was right there in sickbay. Dummy like me who has yet to see Twin Peaks, and even I know that, and I anticipated your reaction to the Palmer business, which was delightful. As to the overseer business, and how you asked is there a Vault. Well, since I saw the season finale yesterday, I would certainly fucking hope not. Though that also had a prominent Twin Peaks man, and confusion with the character names as well. ...Ironic. They have to employ the use of some neuralyzers. Or were they Men in Black thingies? I so adored how that was your description of them, Jess. I had to pause just to laugh, I loved it so much. In addition to that, I do appreciate the mention of Dr. Pulaski in that we acknowledge that she was on the show. We do not just treat her as if she never existed. Still no mention of what precisely happened to her which is still frustrating, but they at least address her existence, so that’s something. Sidenote, when you mentioned Picard looking majestic. Just to be perfectly clear, the implication is that there are times when Picard does NOT look majestic? Which brings us to the really great part of the episode. How Picard is mistaken for a god, and how he resists that. As Ryan notes, the episode has been accused of being anti-religious. I felt it is exactly the opposite. It feels an examination of how false faith/blind faith can be harmful and greatly detrimental. This is well shown when Patrick sells how Picard has no desire to be seen as a golden calf and/or Lisan al-Gaib and/or just generally trapped in a bullshit white savior narrative. It reaches extraordinarily beautiful levels when they beam up the village leader played by Kathryn Leigh Scott of Dark Shadows fame. You mention how it is a shame that Picard did not declare, “I am... The Picard!” yes, well, he’s not William Shatner, er, pardon me, sorry, he’s not Kirk. It is truly spectacular how Picard explains how he is as the village leader is, mortal. He is that. A man. Nothing more. I’m with you on how although the great Sir Patrick Stewart has had multiple superb Picard moments, this one is up there high. And I SO loved, Jess, your emotional reaction to it. Both Patrick and Kathryn were most excellent in those scenes. It was beautiful to behold. Riker and Deanna end up in a spot of trouble. Quick sidenote, yeah, the change in skin color line does induce a wince, and they could have just said their appearance was altered. Valiant work on Riker and Deanna’s part, even if it didn’t go perfectly. Even when they employ the “What in the WORLD can THAT be!?” distraction, contrary to the usual reputation, it did not work like a charm here. Poor Deanna, these last few episodes, like you said. And when you observed Ray playing unhinged, as I am familiar with Ray’s work outside of Twin Peaks, he does play unhinged rather well, yes. I loved how you were concerned for Picard at the end. I wasn’t. I knew Picard was confident that Beverly would save him. Especially as she hasn’t told him anything yet; she’s just not ready. It is great, like you observed, that given the people’s logical and rational nature, convincing them of the truth is less of an uphill battle than one would expect. It ends on that lovely last scene where they give Picard the gift, and you and I are on the same page, Jess, as I loved it as you did. I loved this episode. I loved your reaction to this episode. It was striking to see you get as emotional as you did, and it was most enjoyable sharing the emotions and tears with you. This one was lovely, Jess, thank you.

Dave Hampton

I really enjoyed your reaction to this one. This is a very good episode in my opinion. While it may not be the best episode of TNG, if I had to pick one episode to show someone what TNG is, this would probably be it. It made me happy that an episode I think of that way got such an emotional reaction from you. I was not sure that it would as it is not exactly focused on a main character and giving them development (IMO where your reactions really shine). I was looking forward to this reaction and I am sure you are ahead a bit so I will say here I am really looking forward to your next few reactions.

Chloe Lanteigne-Marrow

"The Watcher's Council" — Buffy reference? 😄 Anyway. I agree that Picard's scenes in this episode are super powerful. And, the whole concept was intriguing! Although I always understood the idea and the importance of the Prime Directive, I feel like in terms of individual episodes it's kinda gotten in the way? So I love that in this episode we really get to see the Prime Directive as it was designed and experience some of the consequences of breaking it. Great reaction!

Geordie Joe

I have a feeling that you might be saying "I really enjoyed these last few episodes" quite a few times during this season. Season 3 is full of very strong and emotional episodes. On a personal note, I'm really looking forward to your other reactions that are coming up next week. It's quite a stacked lineup. Fallout season finale, the first half of the Classic Who special and one of my favourite episodes of TNG. Thanks for all the hard work that you put into these reactions.