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Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country Reaction! (Patreon)

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2023-07-15 17:00:04
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Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country Full Reaction

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Josef Schiltz

Oh joy! Wonderful. Hope everything is okay still, Jess! Been looking forward very much to this. Did you recognize David Warner underneath all the Klingon makeup as the Russian who made friends with Clara in the 'Cold War' Doctor Who episode? I feel for that conversation between Spock and Kirk. I empathize! " Is it possible that we two, you and I, have grown so old and so inflexible that we have outlived our usefulness? Would that constitute a joke?" That definitely hit home.

Ryan

Everyone was well aware going in that this would be the final outing for the TOS crew, thanks to a combination of the actors' increasingly obvious age, the diastrous flop of Final Frontier, and The Next Generation now going strong and clearly angling for their own movies. And they clearly wanted to send these characters off with a bang and pulled out all the stops, resulting in my personal choice for the best of the TOS movies. In particular, it takes all the thematic material from Wrath of Khan about the place of aging soldiers in the world and goes even further with it, with the story being a very obvious analogy for the recent end of the Cold War (in particular, Praxis is the equivalent of Chernobyl as a costly disaster that will inevitably destroy the Klingons' entire culture unless they get help) and everyone who rose to power in that setting now having no idea what to do with themselves. You might recall that even the first Mission Impossible film dealt with that issue, with Phelps becoming a traitor due to the post-Cold War world no longer making people like him the most powerful you could get. It's also quite deliberate that the Admiral who was so dutiful and likable in the fourth film is one of the conspirators here (though unfortunately Brock Peters intensely disliked playing the role this way), and it was originally intended to have an even bigger betrayal. If it seems weird that we suddenly have this new Vulcan character who means so much to Spock that her betrayal causes him to become visibly angry, that's because she was originally supposed to be Saavik, until Gene Roddenberry himself pulled rank and refused to let her be a villain. And yes, that would have been very hard to take, but it also would have been a more honest story move (especially playing off Spock's previous claim to her that he only "exaggerated") that it's regretful they couldn't do. And of course I can't go without mentioning the legendary Christopher Plummer, who'd been a huge fan of the show from its beginning and his joy at getting to be part of it just pours out every second he's onscreen. And it's quite cosmically fitting that decades after he played Kirk's final villain, his daughter Amanda played Picard's and got just as much praise for it.

Thomas Corp

The Undiscovered Country. Next to Wrath of Khan, it is my favorite Star Trek film. Yes, a solid ending to the era of the original series crew. I love how the plot is a political/conspiracy thriller meets a murder mystery. As you observe, a major delight how everyone gets time in the spotlight one last time. The emotional plot of the Federation and the Klingons reconciling is a perfect finale. And yes, a realistic touch that even our beloved crew must contend with prejudice and bias. Lovely to see David Warner as Gorkan. I LIVE for the legendary and phenomenal Christopher Plummer as Genral Chang. Dear Christopher, playing a Shakespeare-loving Klingon warrior who hams it up to glorious levels is such a beautiful gift. Sidenote, concerning your continued observation of the turtle with the top hat look of the Klingon ships. I get more of a derby hat vibe than a top hat vibe, but yes, I see it too, so you’re not alone, Jess. As you note, not the most difficult task of deducing Valeris as the traitor, and not just because she’s “Not Sulu lady”. You sum up perfectly how the film is set up so that you surmise it’s her before it is revealed. Yes, Leonard and Kim Cattrall killed it with the acting in that one scene. The bigger surprise is the overarching conspiracy, particularly that one of the villains is Admiral Cartwright played by Brock Peters. Brock stated that it was physically painful for him to spout the racist dialogue, though I’ve heard he did acknowledge how effectively shocking it would be to an audience that he would play such a character. It’s also jarring to see René Auberjonois not playing Odo and is instead playing Oliver North, sorry, uh, I meant Colonel West. Likewise, it is great to see Michael Dorn as Papa Worf. Also, because Kurtwood Smith as the president, you expect him to threaten to shove feet up asses, and/or end every sentence by saying, “dumbass”. I KNEW you would love seeing Captain Hikaru Sulu thriving. That opening shot of Sulu sipping his tea, and seeing how much George is LOVING it, is one of the most satisfying things ever. Every single reaction you had to Sulu’s scenes were beautiful, Jess, especially your loving the narrative poetry of the crew being betrayed by the Not Sulu, saved by THE Sulu. It all coming full circle. The film feeling the poetry, working it, and you loving it was MAGNIFICENT, Jess. Similarly, I loved your reaction to Scotty kicking the door down and shooting West, one of my favorite Scotty moments. One scene that never fails to get me is the final Spock and Kirk scene, especially Leonard’s delivery of my favorite line of the film, that I see Josef has highlighted as well. The line being, “Is it possible that we two, you and I, have grown so old and so inflexible that we have outlived our usefulness? Would that constitute a joke?” It is VERY easy to see myself and my brother in Spock and Kirk’s places in that scenario in the decades to come. Which brings us to the unfortunate black mark against the film, the absence of explicit acknowledgment of the beautiful Uhura and Scotty romance. The reason for this is because Star Trek V was as poorly received as it was, a mandate was passed down to not mention it in any way going forward. Sidenote, I think that might be the most aggressively you’ve yelled at Bones during the dinner scene. My advice to you, and what I did in my viewing of the film this time round, is project heavily on any and all scenes of Uhura and Scotty where even the smallest subtext exists. The only other gripe that irks me every time is the scrambling to translate scene because Uhura is the linguistics and communications officer. I know the official and fan explanations, but still, there is zero reason why Uhura is not at the very least conversational in Klingon. Nichelle herself even argued that to no avail. That said, you got a laugh out of the scene which made me happy. Oh, I loved your reaction to this film. And I thank you for the wondrous journey through the original series era of Star Trek, Jess, it was all so wonderful. And yes, a movie/series starring Captain Sulu and romantic adventures of Uhura and Scotty would be lovely, Jess, yes, I agree. Thank you again for the wondrous time, Jess.

Ziro the Hutt

Not seen this in years and will catch up on a lot of your other reactions outside of Rebels after catching up on my own backlog of other stuff; and I'll definitely do the better original crew films. Suffice to say though, this was a fantastic send off for the original crew and from the off, the music is tremendous. Looking forward to seeing what you make of these soon Jess.

Paul Hayes

I've always enjoyed this film a lot, although I hadn't watched it for some years so it was nice to watch it again with you! Thank you for a very enjoyable and insightful reaction, always!

Vanessa J McNamara

Loved your reaction throughout. I was afraid, since you know Voyager fairly well, you would remember the spoilers for this story in that series. I’m extremely happy for all of us that you didn’t. 😊 It’s in the Voyager Episode entitled Flashback, if you ever want to check it out. I believe it’s the third season. Thanks for this ride, Jess. Looking forward to August

Dave Ford

Well, if you've got to go, it's got be at the hands of a manic Christopher Plummer in an eyepatch, spinning in circles on a swivel chair while quoting Shakespeare at you. Great movie - obviously all about the end of the cold war - and surprisingly slowing how prejudiced the conflict with the Klingons had made many of crew. A whole lot more interesting than ST V.

Thomas Corp
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Yes, that would be a most agreeable way to shuffle off the mortal coil. I wouldn’t even be mad; I’d instead be just impressed and amazed at the sheer amount of joy and fun Christopher Plummer was so clearly having whilst filming those scenes.

Alvin Cura

And now you know where they got the idea for that Avengers: Endgame closing credits roll.