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Star Trek: TNG 1x16 Full Reaction! (Patreon)

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2023-12-09 18:00:06
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2026-06

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Star Trek TNG 1x16 Full Reaction

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Ryan

This is one of those times like Doctor Who's Invasion of the Dinosaurs where a really great script is let down by the practical realities of production. The decades-long backstory between Jameson and Karnas is so rich and involving, and despite our only getting to see the very end, you absolutely feel that epic history between them. So it's a real shame that the only thing anyone remembers the episode for is the decision to have 27 year old Clayton Rohner play Jameson throughout the whole episode rather than get an older actor for the early scenes. It probably just came down to wanting to save some budget by reducing the actors who'd have to be paid, but for as great as this makeup crew is at creating aliens right from the start, turning a young man into an old one proves to be totally beyond them, and I've seen quite a few reactors go into this episode totally blind and still quickly get an idea of where it's going just from how off Jameson looks. Still, I absolutely choose to look past all that and appreciate the great story, especially when compared to most of the season's other scripts.

Thomas Corp

First off, before we get to the episode: Happy Birthday to your brother. Now to the episode. This one is quite a strong episode; I appreciate your thoughts that it wasn’t one you were over the moon about. I love the guest cast. Clayton Rohner was great as Jameson. Lovely to see Marsha Hunt as Anne, who yes, Jess, she looked gorgeous. She is the character you feel sorriest for in this episode. Then there’s Michael Pataki as Karnas, who it took me a little too long to clock where I knew him from. I saw him, said, “Wait a minute, I know this guy from something. Where do I know him from?” Either he said a line a certain way or stood in the right light, and it clicked, and I yelled, “Rocky IV!” As you observed, the make-up is overt, which can be a giveaway for the twist. When I first saw it, my thought was it being similar to Ian McDiarmid or Ralph Fiennes cast as the Emperor or Lord Voldemort as age-appropriate actors would struggle with the physicality the roles require. And yes, you initially suspect that it’s a story of a man far past his prime trying to reclaim past glory. Once Beverly starts observing his condition should prohibit his getting better, it starts sliding into place. A feeling made more prominent by Midnight Mass being brought to mind. I love the Picard and Beverly scenes in that though Beverly cannot provide Picard answers for the whole picture, he still has the faith and trust in her skills that the two of them work together to figure out what’s going on. As I said, Anne is the one you feel sorry for the most, especially as she argued Jameson never asks what she wanted. I loved your observations on that plotline. The overall conflict is interesting. I’m not knowledgeable enough about the Prime Directive to speak intelligently about how it was utilized in the past negotiations. From Picard’s reaction, it does at best come across as dubious bending of the rules. I do like how Picard does have the point of view that both men were at fault. I hear what you’re saying on neither were all that sympathetic. A great story does not have to have sympathetic characters for you to root for after all. In this scenario, you said the lack of sympathy did, to a certain extent, hamper the enjoyment, ok, reasonable opinion, Jess. I liked how Karnas just deflated when Jameson died, recalling one of Mandy Patinkin’s favorite lines from The Princess Bride, “It’s very strange. I have been in the revenge business so long, now that it’s over, I don't know what to do with the rest of my life.” The whole thing reads as a tragedy, and I thought it worked great. Other observation, I loved Picard’s sass when Data has a moment of stating the obvious, loved you got a chuckle at that. And I loved it when they were under siege and Tasha was doing the work, and I loved you appreciating that as well. So, an occasion where we differ slightly on opinions of the episode, yet still, most enjoyable to share it with you, and to hear your thoughts, Jess, thank you for the wonderful reaction.

ThatGuy11200

Michael Pataki, who played Karnas, was in The Trouble With Tribbles, as the Klingon, Korax. Scotty: Laddie! Don't you think you should ... rephrase that? Korax: You're right! I should. I didn't mean to say that the Enterprise should be hauling garbage. I meant to say that it should be hauled away AS garbage!

Ian Smith

I'm in agreement with everyone...the old age make-up just screams "major plot point coming up!!" I've also always been disappointed that the writers didn't have the courage to give Jamieson's physical journey a logical ending, by having him regress to babyhood. Apparently 27 is the age where his body can't cope any longer. Two pieces of scriptwriting trivia: Dorothy Fontana (veteran TOS writer) was responsible for the war storyline,as she felt there needed to be additional conflict (very wisely!); the principle writer (Michael Michaelian)was one of the lead writers (and producers) of the 80s Classic,The Dukes of Hazzard. Talk about creative versatility! *Edit: Michael Michaelian's former wife (Katherine Michaelian Powers) wrote 'Code of Honor', (ep. 3 of this season ). She also wrote for DS9

Josef Schiltz

Isn't it amazing what these vitamins can do!