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Sacred Symbols+, Episode 532 | Sacred Symbols x Stop Killing Games (Patreon)

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2026-08-29 16:00:21
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It's me, Colin. Please welcome YouTuber, machinima artist, and founder of Stop Killing Games Ross Scott, as well as founder of Alderon Games and project lead of Path of Titans Matthew Cassells to the show. I invited this duo to Sacred+ for a conversation about the aforementioned Stop Killing Games initiative, and indeed, this is one of the most-requested topics for me to cover here over the last few years in particular. Within our winding chat, we discuss the popular gamer-led movement that's attempting to stop publishers and developers from disappearing their games, treating their customers (and their money) with more respect and predictability in the process. But while what's being proposed is simple in premise, it's far more complex in practice. Join us as we talk about the legislative, economic, and populist pressure being leveraged against the powers-that-be in our industry, and how the landscape might change when players themselves assume a more dominant position.

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TheWubbz

This is the spark that will ignite the revival of Concord!

Xenomorph Moriarty

Wonderful episode. This is why I’ve been a patron since LSM started.

Bob Spiers

Where’s my man hoeg

Ealia Staroverov

Great conversation, but the one guy getting audibly exasperated towards the end is not a good look IMO.

They Now Call Me UNC.

SKG is cool, but I do believe Digital Ownership is the bigger issue.

zepplinmike

Good conversation. I’m going to nitpick on Colin’s misunderstanding of economic libertarianism. It gets kind of frustrating because he seems to think if you aren’t some absolutist minarchist libertarian then you aren’t one at all and are maybe even a “protectionist.” He says there are “two kinds of libertarians.” There are actually as many diverse opinions within that outlook as any other and I’ve witnessed many committed and very well-studied libertarians vehemently arguing with each other about political theory and the proper bounds of government. Most libertarians would agree that government has an important role in preventing fraud and enforcing contracts, and I think the SKG guys here could easily make the case that that’s their limited goal as well. Also, Colin implied that being for small government is being pro-corporate power. That isn’t true at all. Many libertarians would argue that in practice big government is the most protective of corporations (as in the California example in this podcast) and that they regularly collaborate with corporate lobbyists on regulatory regimes that only the large companies can afford to comply with, meaning willingness to regulate business isn’t indicative of being anti-corporate power.

Big Booty Latinas Can Stay

I can’t believe no one in this movement understands that these companies aren’t “taking your game away,” because it was never your game to begin with. They didn’t sell you ownership of the software. They sold you a license to use it under specific terms and conditions—and you agreed to those terms. You don’t have a legal or moral right to force an independent company to continue selling, supporting, or distributing software simply because you want it. The entitlement is unbelievable. Debate over. Quit crying. Next.

Asha Shwarma’s Karma

50% of the way through until I realized the guy wasn’t singling out Mark Cerny.

Nat Patterson

This was a rough listen. Constantly talking over each other

Kyle Day

Totally agree. I had to stop halfway through. These guys are not the right messengers for their movement

Dante B

Didn’t want to say it but yes. One guy just couldn’t pause and allow his partner to jump in. But, they’re not podcasters and could be a delay with the location variance. But yeah, you’re not wrong.

crosstriangleOsquare

Homie got it bad 🤣 you know he pronounces Fifa and Zelda like Fifer and Zelder UR NUR Mashed Pototurs!

crosstriangleOsquare

Any PS4 game I bought digitally, I have access to today still. The exceptions are online multiplayer games like Foamstars, Destruction all stars etc. It's in Sony's best interest to keep the games on their platform that you purchased digitally. I do wish though that I could play an offline mode of Drawn to Death. Rest in pepperoni.

Ryan Douglas

These guys are just not good communicators and it feels like they did 0 preparation for this podcast.

Beef Burka

This wasn't a perfect podcast, but they did at least clarify a lot. They aren't demanding all games be playable always, they're demanding more transparency and demanding publishers not be allowed to pull the plug on games without hard notification at purchase or without some sort of compensation to buyers. The guys weren't perfect, but they made their point, so I feel a lot of the complaints are unfair. I also feel a lot of people are being completely disingenuous about this movement and intentionally obfuscating what it is about.

Jacob Lesperance

This current republican administration is deregulation at an insane rate. This current administration will fo nothing for consumers. They literally closed down the CFPB. Literally the only consumer protection agency that existed in the US

Gooch Gobbler

Hasn't it been found that more corruption and colluding with corporations happens at the state/local level though? Less eyes on everything. Cheaper to buy influence. Not that that has mattered much to this federal administration....

Big Booty Latinas Can Stay

It’s not a take. It’s objective reality and easily understandable to anyone who doesn’t breathe exclusively through their mouth.

zepplinmike

Probably true for run of the mill stuff like getting permits and such. My overall point there was that in regulatory regimes in the US, it’s not as if the lobbyists of the largest corporations being regulated don’t have a seat at the table and even write large swaths of those very regulations. In part it happens because the goal of the legislators isn’t to kill that industry, just regulate it, but they don’t have anywhere near the expertise in the given market to write effective regulations and so it comes down to lobbyists as the experts. There’s a misunderstanding in general that the companies don’t want to be regulated, but they can and do use these opportunities to write the rules around their operations and needs and effectively keep new competitors from coming in. And yes this happens at all levels of legislation and regulation.

AL022

Listening to the guests continually strawman Sony about the movie thing is super annoying. Bring up something that actually mattered for a change. Like what percentage of people even bought the movies that were removed and still actively use them? Probably very few.

Evan Westendorf

The dev on this episode has an accent that sounds like parody.

Evan Westendorf

"Republicans hate these companies too" HAHAHAHAHA youve gotta be kidding me! Which Republicans? Certainly not any im government. They're perfectly fine with whatever corporation is filling their pockets. The only ones they dont like are the ones that they can go after to score points w their voters. Theyll rail against "woke DEI" Facebook while inviting Zuck to the inauguration and accepting millions. What a delusional take.

drewmoneybeatz

Appreciate this interview Colin, but man it was a struggle listening to these guys not know how to podcast.