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I'd wager Max is thinking that it might be time to have "the talk" when she gets home. With Rowan, I mean. Going on a few dates under false pretenses is usually pretty inexcusable, but there are probably some circumstances when it's... not terrible. Like if you just entered Witness Protection, and start dating a week later... that's got to feel like a lot of lying. I mean it is, but that's a case where it's at least understandable. (Although, come to think of it, you're probably discouraged from dating or doing anything that requires you to talk about yourself a lot within the first few months in WitPro, to give it time for your new identity to time to sink in. I have no idea either way, but it'd make sense.) 

"Dating if you're a superhero with a secret identity" is probably more of a gray area. I think you'd want to subtly but fairly quickly establish their views on the militarization of police powers and related industrial complexes - at least in the Grrl Verse. If you're in most other super-verses like Marvel or DC, you'd want to establish their views on vigilante justice. (I think the Avengers are sanctioned law enforcement, depending on what stretch of the comic you're reading. Maybe the Justice League too? I don't actually know. But you rarely see Batman or Ant Man giving testimony in trials.) 

Anyway, my point is, if you have a secret identity and you're dating, figure out if you're wasting your time and theirs early on by learning about their views on your day job. And if you have an intelligence branch as part of your superheroing outfit, do a background check to make sure your beau isn't an agent of HYDRA or a Skrull infiltrator or some DC equivalent. Or just to make sure they're not some influencer looking for a big vlog hit. 

So you figure out if you're compatible and that you trust them, you gotta come clean pretty early in the dating process. You can't True Lies that shit and wait till you have a teenage kid together. Even then, I'm sure plenty of people will be all, "It's totally unacceptable to lie on a date." And that's a valid... desire. Probably a little optimistic, but it's nice to hope for a more ideal world. 

So the next question is... is letting a naked alien man (what, like he's going to get his pants wet?) wash smart latex off your back in the shower cheating? Galen (and/or Gellen) is going to get a pretty good look at Max's bare butt. That said, until she grits back up, her butt is so shiny all he's going to really see is his own face. 

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Juliette Dianne Moss

But when can we get a novelization of the comic XD I've been reading for a decade, but require more hijinks! I think Sidney would translate very well to the written word

TrixieTurner

Honestly wasn’t a fan of Rowan’s design, think it was the hair that got me, but I’ll take any excuse to see Max shiny and chrome. If they do have the talk I’m imagining he’s gonna see some golden boobs. That being said now whether this is cheating is a matter of perspective, from a space port hopping vagabond not really but from someone like Max from earth most definitely. So this is real surprising, good to see Max can have her flawed moments too.

Chris Giesy

I hope he maintains the number of fingers he has over the next few days. I like that guy but he's riding a very crumbly edge.

Nathan Wilson

Putting myself in Rowan's shoes, I think the hardest time I'd have with dating maxima is the total change of skin/hair color. I would have started dating a tan/black haired chick, and would have gotten that visual into my head. So, once she came clean under totally understandable circumstances, it would be hard not to feel a little bit catfished - even though she's attractive either way. To Dave's other question - is letting someone see you naked to help clean off cheating? In this context, no. And it's always all about context. If my wife was writing literal poetry with another man, and getting emotionally intertwined, I'd classify that as cheating, even if they never saw each other naked. But seeing a person naked - only constitutes as cheating if you WANT them to see you in a sexy light. "you're standing there, and I need a hand to get this crud off a place I can't see" doesn't seem like opening up your heart to another person to me. Sure it would be safer to ask him to go get another girl to help with the scrubbing instead, but still not a big deal imo.

Nathan Wilson

Agreed, but with the knowledge his fingers can just be regenerated/reattached probably makes him bolder than he'd be otherwise.

Czarzhan

I'm pretty sure the only other girls on the ship are Cora, Daphne, and Sydney. Each are problematic in their own way.

William Elliott

Maxima has a variation of the "DC supers vs Marvel Supers" issue [early on...its become somewhat muddied in the past 40 years]. The short version is, most of the DC supers are "gods pretending to be men", while Marvels are "Men aspiring to be gods" [yes I know, there are exceptions]. She is ALWAYS a weapon of mass distraction...errr destruction wrapped in the [very pretty] form of a golden goddess. That is who she IS. She actively HAS to hold back and disguise herself to be "normal". Case in point, Superman...sure he looks normal...ish. I mean as normal any nearly perfect example of a human male can look I guess, but he constantly has to restrain himself for fear of damaging...everything. Its like walking through a house made of thin crystal and tissue paper. By the same token so does Spiderman but he grew up human. He had a base line to go on...which now that I think of it isn't so far off from Maxima... but he also LOOKS like an average guy. Not some Greek God trying to LARP being human [looking at you, Thor!]. In Max's case, this extends to her looks in a nearly impossible to get around way, that requires handwavium space magic super science to give her at least a modicum of "normalcy" and even then shes stuck doing the Superman "walking through the tissue paper house" level of control, and hoping the battery doesn't short on her disguise at an inconvenient moment... or say Rowan nibbles her neck and accidentally turns off her disguise...awkward!

Philip Brown

If she were naked and getting a massage on a table, its socially more acceptible. But inviting a man to join you in the shower, even if its supposedly "just the back".... ???? where did that even come from? Have to say I'm kinda disappointed in Maxima here.

Jacob Bissey

I dunno, telling a man who spent the last twenty minutes propositioning you and required a large amount of explanation to even understand the basic concept that you might not be interested in having sex with him to join you in the shower seems very much like deliberately encouraging his sexual interest, which I would absolutely consider cheating, or at the very least foul play in the general direction of cheating. It's in the same category as having a tinder account just to get attention from other people, like, I don't care if you were ever actually going to meet up with any of them for any reason ever, encouraging/inviting sexual interest from people who are not your partner, especially behind your partner's back, is very much not okay. With obvious exceptions being situations where you and your partner have had discussions and come to an agreement (based on mutual comfort levels, not them agreeing because you bullied them into it) based on open honesty, transparency, and trust.

Jacob Bissey

I mean, there's an entire industry built around massages. It's one thing if you're getting a massage from a licensed professional where you're both on the same page that there is nothing sexual going on here, it's another thing entirely to tell a man who has been propositioning you and arguing with you about whether you're sexually interested in him and the basic concept of monogamu to give you a massage. The only real difference in this situation is there really aren't shower attendants who wash your back for you as a non-sexual business transaction, but if such an industry existed and were considered a normal, common thing, this would still not be okay in the same way that asking Galen to give her a deep tissue massage would not be okay in this context.

He Who Must Drink Some Coffee

It's basically a question of Max deciding she can trust him to keep things clean, no pun intended. For context, I feel like I remember a medieval Japan setting in a piece of fiction (maybe it was Shogun?) where a Western guy is shocked and appalled that a Japanese woman climbs in to help him bathe, but eventually relaxes to the fact that he's in a different culture where seeing someone else naked doesn't automatically make it sexual. Galactic community standards are different. Granted that sexual services were offered, but Max must feel like his sticking around to offer just assistance without sex is sincere. And Maxima has a degree of confidence that is frankly not available to regular human women, since she's able to break any lesser guy into several pieces if she finds him being inappropriate. I really long for a world where women don't have to consider all men as potential threats. Max doesn't have that issue... at least not on the same level.

Philip Brown

even if he sticks to "just the back", it feels like a violation of the relationship to me.

Town Crier

Not like she's gonna ask Sydney to do it. *sigh*

Brett Peirce

Having to explain the very basic concept you might not be interested to someone who grew up in any human society I know to exist is quite different than having to explain the very basic concept you might not be interested to someone who grew up in a society where such concepts basically don't exist. IMO

Playwars

Honestly the whole secret identity stuff really boils down to if you're forthright about using an alter ego. But then again telling someone you're using a pseudonym is only ever going to work on long distance internet stuff. Here the big advantage Maxima has is that not only is Rowan an understanding gentleman, he also saw how under siege she was disguised, and regularly sees her being mobbed by the press and crowds on TV as a superheroine. I think he will absolutely get it. However, I'm certain he will asked to be carried in her arms into the skies as compensation for the deception. I know I would ! Experiencing super flight in the arms of your gilded girlfriend ? Oh hell yes.

Richard Riley

Best response Jacob, well stated. I particularly appreciated the nod to ENM to cap it off.

Stephen Gilberg

In her proverbial shoes, I'd choose Sydney.

Aclys

Technically Maxima can just turn her strength augmentation way the heck down. She's probably still at captain america levels even then but that's a far cry from living in a world of cardboard. She's also had extensive training which probably includes learning how to not squish her allies and squadmates when trying to push them out of the way of incoming bullets or grabbing vip's (theirs or hers) for bodyguard or capture operations respectively during her military tours.

Aclys

Let's not forget Maxima has been in the military for multiple operations and has had to work alongside men (and women) far more crude and liable to be rude than Galen/Gellen, though this is probably a fair bit closer than she's ever let a male of any species get to her naked self in a shower context before. As for the cheating question... Honestly this is pretty clearly a case of "yeah, not cool" given that while help getting rid of the suit-residue would be comfortable, its not like it's an emergency, she can get it the hard way OR she could simply ask one of the other women on the ship to come help with it. Given that these options are available with minimal effort then yeah... Like, why did she change her mind about letting him specifically get her back anyway? Seems a weird choice after getting reminded that she has a boyfriend and misses him or is that just me?

Aclys

This, honestly the biggest issue with "is it cheating or not" is that she Could easily ask Sydney or Harem or even the captain herself to help with the suit-residue. Given that she could? That she chose not to is her actively choosing to let an exceptionally attractive man join her in the shower while they are both naked and I just do Not see Maxima being happy to hear her boyfriend doing the same thing with a woman so... why should he be okay with it?

Phoenix

So, this is an interesting (to me at least) conversation that a lot of people who do not find themselves in situations like a superhero does, or superhero adjacent work, feel both capable of opining on, and qualified to do so, at the same time. If you are a CIA agent, or actually no. If you are something more kinetic than an analyst, an operative of SEAL Team 6, or (mostly apocryphal) James Bond-ish style spy, lying to your intimate partners, married or not, is expected and required. The dodge or go around is not to open up to them about your clandestine activities. Instead, if you feel you must, you might let them know that there things you just *will not* discuss- your job, where you were last week, what you were doing there, how many people you have killed and whether or not they were 'all bad'. And that person needs to come to terms with that, accept it or not, and leave it alone. "Ask me no questions and I will tell you no lies." is the fundamental truth you both will need to live by. To bring this back to the Superhero genre, one of the *primary* reasons to have a secret identity is to *protect* loved ones, friends, cow-orkers, etc from the very real risk of retaliation against THEM by your enemies. Rowan, if he is genre savvy, should hear Maxima start to open up about this, and immediately put a gentle finger on her lips and say "What I don't know, I can't reveal. Accidentally, on purpose, under torture, through mind control, telepathy, or Deus Ex analyzing my gait patterns and deducing that we are fucking." Yes, Maxima is different from an undercover agent because, well, she has a hard time pretending to be normal. But out of respect for Rowan's safety, she should do him the service of letting him remain ignorant and NOT suddenly become a giant neon glowing lever to manipulate her through kidnapping / threats / simple murder. Also, Maxima honey, what are you doing. Yo u have a boy friend. I don't think there is an innocent platonic explanation for naked horn dog men to wash your back. Ask Cora. Check that, Cora is just as bad (Lesbian NTR is still NTR). Ask Syndey .

Dark Kuno

OK, this legit surprised me. Was not expecting that from Max, like at all. Also, I have to say I love the concept (between Gellen's behavior in this arc and Frix's behavior with Sydney at the beginning of their relationship) that Cora apparently spent just as much time vetting the personalities of her crew as she did their physical and professional capabilities. Also regarding "The Talk" with Rowen. It's not as completely complicated as most normal dating a super situations. Because Max doesn't really have a conventional secret identity. None of the members of Archon do really. they've got code names but everybody in the world knows who they really are. The whole Harper identity was mostly to let Max go out without drawing attention to her self (well more attention than a regular 6+ foot tall amazon would). The whole thing with Rowen not being in the know feels like a classic situation of things progressing in a direction she wasn't expecting and being kind of trapped by how she introduced herself to him. While being too afraid to tell him the truth because she's afraid it will ruin/destroy the relationship after doing it for so long, so she just kept putting it off. It's more of the classic trope of "I was afraid to tell you because I thought it might scare you" situation, way more than a reveal of secret identity (which doesn't really exist in conventional terms) situation.

Rainy Rider

Well, that's a letdown. I thought Maxima had more class than that. Just a cheap ho after all. I feel for Rowan, trust in a tramp and get the tramp treatment. Maybe now she can die in the last round due to one of her friends selling her secrets. Maybe they bet against her so this is a perfect revenge for all her indignant righteousness towards everyone else. I'd call that fair. Betray someone and get betrayed

akrasia

Has it been established how far down that Max can dial her strength? Can she get down to mere mortal olympic athlete, so she might just bruise her lover instead of dismember (pun intended) them with a reflex?

Juliette Dianne Moss

I did not know about this :D But! I just like reading novels lol. I'd totally binge the entire series multiple times over if novelized :)

eddi_TBH

The highly polished Maxima look is amazing. I think one might need welding goggles. Her downcast look in Panel 4 is sad.

Martin Drkoš

Better stay on the safe side of the neutral zone between back and butt.

cheezewizz2000

Nah, agreed. The pay-off to this needs to be realistic. One of: 1) Maxima comes clean. The relationship is over. It is sad, but our girl repairs some of her integrity. 2) Maxima comes clean. The boyfriend is okay with the relationship being "open". Dave explores some of the complexities around polyamory (for example I can't imagine Maxima is going to be okay with it at the start and will need to address her own views on jealousy). 3) Maxima does not come clean. Boyfriend finds out. Relationship is over. It is sad, but Maxima learns a valuable lesson about how shitty it feels to be a betrayer. 4) Maxima does not come clean. Boyfriend finds out and responds abusively. Maxima decks him. Everyone comes away looking like a dick. 5) Maxima does not come clean. Boyfriend finds out and responds positively. Dave comes away looking a bit creepy for writing a plot where cheating is justified post-hoc. I have a preference for 1. 3 would also make for a good story I think. 4 is just shitty for everyone, and 2 & 5 are a bit too... wish fulfilment-y for my taste.

B. P.

Interesting question, how low can she go in all her attributes? Can she lower them all at once or does her power have to go somewhere?

Hugh Eckert

My wife's only rule for me is "no sex with other people". So personally I don't think this is a big deal. Given, I'm a Pagan and go to "clothing optional" festivals, and the LARP I play doesn't have gender-exclusive bathing and sleeping facilities, so nudity is not such a big deal for me... Also, if Rowan and Max have had the commitment talk, it hasn't been shown in the strip, so I'm not sure what the canon is here.

Krahazik's Shipyard

Cora might be even more problematic and pushy with the sexytime thing. The other female options on the ship are her direct subordinates.

Krahazik's Shipyard

Frix would likely have been a safe one there. He has a bit more professionalism about him with such things and perhaps a bit more understanding of boundaries. The only other female options besides Cora are all her direct subordinates.