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Better Call Saul 305-306 (Patreon)

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Jeff K.

I am not crazy! I know George swapped those upload schedules. I knew it was Star Trek on Wednesdays. One after BCS Tuesdays. As if I could ever make such a mistake. Never. Never! I just couldn't prove it. He covered his tracks, he got that beanie-loving woman who lives in the woods to lie for him. You think this is something? You think this is bad? This? This chicanery? He's done worse.

JakeyShakeyBakeyBoy Says Happy Halloween Grrr Argh

Chicanery is one of the best episodes of the Breaking Bad-verse period. Michael McKean is truly fantastic in that final sequence, more than just the “dude from Spinal Tap” anyways. Love how the traffic sound fills up the room after the monologue. Also it sounds weird but maybe double speed Sanderson’s Stormlight books? It’s a bit of an adjustment but it’s been my go to for years with bigger volumes and helped get the job done 😀

Jeff K.

I had only really known Michael McKean as a comedy legend, going back to Laverne and Shirley, obviously, but more importantly (for his legend status) to the Chris Guest movies. I never realized just how good his dramatic chops were. He's positively scintillating in this episode. (Also: petition to get George and Simone to watch more Chris Guest films. Best in Show and Waiting for Guffman are the two at the top of my list, though A Mighty Wind is a great McKean showcase.)

Ste Rawlings

You guys should check out an excellent French Canadian movie that came out this year called Red Rooms

Tiago Ferreira

It's pretty clear from the dinner scene that Chuck's ilness began because she prefered work over their relationship and so he blaims technology - the thing that took "her away from him".

Da Big Appa

I'm half way though book 5 of the mistborn books now!

Anthony McPartlan

Always eager to see reactions to the Chicanery episode. It's a classic

Ste Rawlings

He bothers you so much because you know he's right.

Tiago Ferreira

"Nacho" is not an alias. Nacho is short for Ignacio

Itbewhatitbe

bro why are you so hostile with every comment, is everything okay?

Ste Rawlings

It's probable that the missing money was a result of both the dad being conned and also Jimmy seeing that and taking money for himself like we saw in that one scene. Jimmy's first ever mark was his dad.

Jeff K.

Yep. To the point where the food is named after its inventor, a guy named Ignacio Anaya Garcia, whose nickname was, of course, Nacho.

Jeff K.

It's funny: the one Chris Guest movie he wasn't in (even though he helped write the music for it) is Guffman... a movie that happens to feature a quick appearance by Bob Odenkirk.

Ste Rawlings

Absolutely was not my intention for it to come across as hostile. Just passing on the realisation I had when I first rewatched the show.

Tiago Ferreira

Yes. She prefered work over their relationship, and the trigger for him it's the phonecall, technology caused their separation. of course, this doesn't make much sense for a rational person.

Tay Schumaker

That wasn’t arbitration last episode. That woman was the prosecutor, not some neutral third party. They were having a meeting setting up a plea deal. She wasn’t supposed to be unbiased.

Ste Rawlings

Haha, my bad dude I misread what you were saying about technology taking her away from him.

Guy-on-Couch

I've been waiting 3 seasons for you guys to see Chuck on the stand in this episode and George starts talking during it :/ smh lol

Philipp Roensch

Chickanery is truly a masterful episode, with the sounds and buildup to the reveal. Chef's Kiss, but not for Chuck, only the actor :D. For all legal questions around this episode, fellow YouTuber Legal Eagle did an analysis: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCZ06Sfr9Cg

Homestar

If you need an emergency Sanderson break we'll understand, George.

Itbewhatitbe

yeah if only they knew exactly when to react and when not to, why cant they just know exactly what scene we're interested in seeing ahead of time. maybe they should watch the show then react to then on rewatch so they know exactly what moment to stop talking.

Areokh

Something worth to note in my opinion is this line from Chuck about Jimmy: "He has a way of doing the worst things for reasons that sound almost noble" I think this explains the difference between them. Jimmy is a "peoples person", people like him and he is willing to bend or break the law for those who he cares about. He does his tricks because of either money trouble or a sense of moral justice. Like somekind of street law. Chuck doesn't understand this or the reason behind this. He always stays within the law, but his motives can be cold, selfish and lacks empathy. Rather than face Jimmy himself, he put Howard to take the blame for not hiring him. He lured back Mesa Verde from Kim, he can do that, it is legal but it comes out as a "big corporate screws over the little guy" He lies to his ex-wife so she wouldn't "think less of him". Chuck is all law and jealousy and some superiority.

Guy-on-Couch

I didn't know they needed a simp white knight to defend them against people's opinions. It doesn't take a genius to figure out you shouldn't talk during a 5 minute monologue.

Cinebinge

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Sergio Meira

Notice that Howard is acting not only rationally and coherently, he's also thinking of his firm (and all its employees who depend on it and its reputation). I must say my opinion of Howard kept improving since I first saw him in Season 1. All in all, he's not a bad dude -- he's not into con artistry like Jimmy, or into his own ego like Chuck.

Helly R

Top Ten BB/BCS episode right here.

Sergio Meira

Isn't it interesting that, despite all Chuck says about how "there's good in my brother" (it's not the first time we hear him say that), he never really believed that this good in his brother should be nurtured or in the end even amounted to much.

Sergio Meira

Now, if you indulge me, let me say a few words about Charles McGill, Esquire. In his final uncontrolled speech, Chuck revealed his actual feelings and showed that his attempt to get Jimmy disbarred were actually the result of said feelings rather than the immaculate concern for the law with which he tried to rationalize his behavior. But where do such feelings come from? It's true that Chuck has an arrogant, holier-than-thou attitude. But what causes that? Isn't it enough just to be one hell of a good lawyer (even Kim was impressed with him -- remember that scene when both Kim and Jimmy were still working in the mail room?) My impression is that Chuck suffers from good-brother misgivings, like that older brother in the biblical parable of the Prodigal Son. As we all know, the Prodigal Son got his part of the inheritance, left the house, and did all kinds of horrible things while the money lasted; and then, when he had nothing to eat anymore, he came back to his father's house, and asked to be one of his servants for food. The father, delighted that his son had come back, showered him with presents, and even threw a party for him, for which he had the 'fat calf' killed to give everybody a great meal. Meanwhile, his older brother, who had stayed and did everything right, protected his father, took care of his animals, obeyed all the rules... got envious. "Father, why givest thou my brother the calf, but nothing to me?" (Luke 15:29). I.e., dad, you never threw a party for me, and I did all the right things! Why the heck are you doing that for this *$!@Z> of an ungrateful son? The father had a good answer to that. But rather than thinking about the answer, think about the injustice the older brother felt. Yes, I did everything right -- and you never seemed so happy because of that, while my brother broke every law you ever respected, and when he comes back, it's all "let's party!" Imagine his anger. Imagine Chuck thinking, why doesn't everybody love me the same way they love Jimmy -- don't I do the right things? Haven't I sent bad people to prison and saved good people from going to prison? Haven't I studied my ass off? Haven't I worked like a slave for my degree, for my license, for everything? Aren't my knowledge and my actions worthy of admiration? Why do people want to admire Jimmy who did nothing even remotely comparable, while scamming people out of their money with his con artist tricks? I'm not saying it's right to be envious of your brother just because the genetic roulette gave him his adorable, charming character that makes everybody want to forgive him. But I am saying that it is natural. You, who want to throw stones at Chuck -- how would YOU have behaved if you also thought you were unjustly neglected because of your brother's charm? Now, there is a lot of truth to that. A counterargument can also be built -- who says Chuck wasn't admired? What he really wanted was love, not admiration! Also, look how he tries to defend his image, to the extent that he didn't even tell Rebecca about his condition after their divorce. (In that scene, Jimmy played the level-headed guy who's actually trying to help his brother, while Chuck was the stubborn child who just didn't want his ex-wife to see him as a poor sick man... Still, I insist. If you truly thought your younger brother was getting benefits he did nothing to deserve, whereas you do all the work and nobody appreciates (= loves) you for it... would you really have behaved differently from Chuck? What would you have done in his shoes? Be sincere.

Ballsac McGee

the arbitration lady is the prosecutor not a judge. She has no obligation to be fair to jimmy. Jimmy did commit the crime and accepted the pre-prosecution diversion so she isn't really doing anything wrong treating him like that. She's being more than fair not throwing the book at him for breaking and entering, especially considering he's a barred attorney.

Brandon

This is my second time watching the series and I realized part of how Chuck figured out Jimmy's scam with Mesa Verde addresses so easily. Jimmy most likely came up with the idea to pull a fast one on Rebecca by using a mixed up address as the reason for his power being shut off. If Chuck had thrown in that little detail, it would add precedence and make his claims about the Mesa Verde mix-up more believable. It's amazing how alike they really are. They help and hurt each other with the same strategies. Back in episode 4, the Jimmy/Chuck story line doesn't show up until past the halfway mark. I realized that it wasn't just about maintaining a good pace with the Gus plot, but about creating a believable amount of time for Jimmy and Kim to have come up with an elaborate plan behind the scenes, which pays off in episode 5 in spades. Howard's a dark horse in this episode, too. He only has a couple lines, but every time it cut to a close-up of him it has a huge impact. Especially that forboding shot near the start, where he suggests that Chuck not testify at all.

Cartoons ReAct

He is called Nacho as his name is Ignacio, all the Ignacio's nicknames are Nacho

Phillyman!!

Yea definitely the episode Five-O was my favorite for awhile… until the Chicanery episode. Absolutely an unbelievable episode. And yes Chuck is as ego SOB but can’t say he’s a liar. The best villains has some level of truth. In this case ALOT of truth

Actuarial Lurker

I don't blame Jimmy for "Chicanery"- Chuck is an ass and the only way in a trial setting to save his license was to prove in public that Chuck is delusional

Angzarr

Huh, it never occurred to me before that "barred" is a contronym -- it's its own antonym. Being barred from something means you're not allowed to do it. Except, you have to be barred to practice law, unless you become disbarred then you're barred.

Actuarial Lurker

Nacho is a play on Ignazio- his real name...which is Ignatius and derives from St Ignatius Loyola who was the founder of the Catholic Jesuit order of Priests in the 1500s

Jay Willis

Great catch. I never put that together. What a great detail.

Actuarial Lurker

George- in the BCS era the cartel is moving Cocaine to the US- using Hector's Ice Cream trucks and Gus' Chicken trucks. The Meth was what Gus WANTED to sell with his "partner" Max who got shot in 1988...I won't say any more to avoid spoilers other than saying that is why Mike shot the sneakers with cocaine in it to spray it on Hector's truck and have them get caught by the K9 unit at the border...and then the reveal of Lydia and the Laundromat Lab

Actuarial Lurker

Chuck is calling his therapist. Cognitive Behavioral Therapy or CBT uses "exposure therapy" to force people with phobias and OCD to purposefully subject themselves to their triggers to realize it's not real...claustrophobics would have homework to get into tight elevators, people with bug phobias would touch spiders, people with OCD would have to touch things they think are "dirty"...so Chuck's therapy would be to purposefully go out longer and longer into the outside world and be near EM fields, electric lights, phones, etc....

Rob Bob

"HE DEFECATED THROUGH A SUNROOF!"

Sergio Meira

"Chuck is right about Jimmy." Hm. I wonder if he would have ended up becoming a criminal lawyer if his brother had given him support and actually believed in him. I think Jimmy had it in himself to be something other than that, even if he wasn't suited for a firm like Davis and Main... When I think that Chuck was really, really right is when he said, during the judgment, that there was no malice in Jimmy. I think that's true. Jimmy never wants to do 'evil' (he is no Gus Fring); he simply rationalizes it when he does wrong things as 'well, I had to do it' and 'oh, nobody really suffered from that'. Chuck is right that Jimmy forgives himself too easily. But still--nobody (other than Kim) ever seemed to believe in Jimmy, and Chuck himself, for whom Jimmy had so much respect, never seemed to believe Jimmy could ever be much more than the HHM mail boy. I still keep thinking, if these two had been able to communicate better... I don't even think Jimmy actually ever realized the extent to which his charm caused envy in Chuck. If Chuck had been able to communicate it in a sane and safe way (but ah! communication isn't his forte, he wanted to hide his condition from Rebecca...), and if Jimmy had been able to follow his brother's instructions and learn to love the law the way Chuck did (no guarantee here -- he left Davis and Main after all -- but then again, he respects and admires Chuck so much... who knows...), things might have ended up differently. But alas, as Breaking Bad shows us Jimmy as 'fixer'/'crime lawyer', we already know these two brothers are never going to be able to help each other improve beyond their problems. And that's a pity, a real tragedy even, because the potential seems to be there.

Sergio Meira

I never thought of this, but you're actually 100% right! Such things show how easy it would have been for Chuck himself to see that his condition could not possibly be physical/biological, it had to be psychological. It kept him from seeking the kind of treatment that could actually help him. And why? Because of pride? Because it's somehow better or nobler to suffer from a physical ailment than from a mental disorder?...

Sergio Meira

To some extent, I agree: it's the only thing Jimmy could have done to escape the fate of being disbarred. Still... there's a moral argument to be made that what he did was wrong enough that the 'really good' behavior would have been to actually accept the punishment. He did unlawfully doctor those documents to create a bad impression about Chuck's mental acuity, after all.

Sergio Meira

And I would say, all the kind of things that you expect from someone who thinks he was deprived of the love that was so lavishly given to his more charming brother who didn't deserve it -- he didn't study like Chuck, he didn't have a strong moral compass (he kept justifying "using" the law to save people with some kind of heart-based morality, something that ultimately is the exact opposite of "the law is the same for everybody", the principle on which the very idea is based...), he kept scamming people as a con artist, sometimes just to show he could, that it was fun... Aren't all these behaviors what you'd expect from someone who was simply envious of how his brother had it easy just because his charm made everybody want to forgive him?

Sergio Meira

Interesting! I didn't know about this video. Thanks for publishing the link!

Sergio Meira

Just a small detail on the 'Chicanery' episode cinematography... Did you guys notice how the very last scene has Chuck in the background, still dumbfounded by what had just happened, while the 'EXIT' sign is in focus? A great way to say, 'Chuck, it's over now for you... Time to go, time to leave...'

Sergio Meira

On the amount of money Jimmy pilfered from his dad--the 40 grand total that got Chuck so angry (he told it to Kim, remember?), it probably included both what Jimmy stole and what other con artists got from him -- that guy who conned Jimmy's dad in front of Jimmy, for instance; I don't think Jimmy's dad put that money in a special "I was conned!" column in his books. So when Chuck got angry at this total, he was probably conflating stuff that was indeed Jimmy's fault with stuff that wasn't. I'm afraid we'll never know what part of that total was really just Jimmy.

Actuarial Lurker

You are correct- my auto correct is racist....!

Sergio Meira

So--should S&G invest in ads and call Saul Goodman productions to get that je-ne-sais-quoi that makes people call? ;-)

Actuarial Lurker

Spot on...if Dad gave away a dollar or two a day that would still be averaging $500/year so if he gave away $5 a day I could easily see $25K or more handed out by Dad and not stolen by Jimmy- especially since we are given the Easter Egg that Slipping Jimmy got $8,000 from a slip and fall that put him through bartending school. If he had stolen $40K from dad he could have gone to college with that money alone

Vwlss Nvwls

That was Crazy 8, and he was wearing a shirt from the furniture store his father owned, that him and Walt were talking about.

Villa Lobos

I’ve talked before about Jimmy’s nickname Charlie Hustle. The nickname of Pete Rose, one of the greatest baseball players ever, but he’ll only be remembered for his crimes. Kind of how people see Jimmy only for his crimes. There was another nickname he got in this episode that is apropo to him. Saint Jimmy, if you’re a Green Day fan you know what it means. St. Jimmy is the self destructive drug fueled id character of the narrator from the album American Idiot, also in the Broadway musical. It does fit for Jimmy’s id being the cause for his self destruction.

Jeff K.

I had forgotten just how much Ann Cusack sounds like Joan until rewatching these two episodes. Like, if I closed my eyes watching her scenes, I'm not sure I'd be able to tell the difference (well, other than Joan always sounds unhinged).

MacGuffinStuff

His name is Nacho because it's short for Ignacio, it's actually a common name. The food is named after Ignacio Anaya García, like Margaritas are named after a woman named Margarita (Spanish for Daisy, well that's one version of the origin story of the drink).

John

My guess is he is taking Nitroglycerin. It is very fast-acting.

Diiirk706

Chuck is one billion percent correct. Scratch that; infinity percent. Every word, E V E R Y S I N G L E W O R D, of his speech is correct. Every. One. Fuck Jimmy. He's a Fkn twat. Always has been. Always will be. And we have the proof. That he's ''cute'' , ''charming'' , AND makes you giggle like a twelve year old schoolgirl about it means Dick all. He's a Fucking *loser*. Also Kim's a dumBass.

Kevin

You definitely should feel bad for Chuck. Yes hes always looked down on his brother (at least for a long time) but Jimmy is committing crimes and gaslighting him. Chuck is right about all the crimes Jimmy does and its very frustrating for him.

SaulGoodman

We know that several thousand dollars went missing from Chuck and Jimmy's Dad's business. It is unclear how much is missing from Jimmy stealing or how much the father gave away to con men. We see Jimmy's dad will give away more money than asked to anyone with a sob story. So he is partly to blame for his own business failing. It is up to audience interpretation who is more at fault, Jimmy or the dad.

SaulGoodman

A lot of people will say Chuck is right about Jimmy, but I think there is a difference between being right and a self fulfilling prophecy. Jimmy genuinely tries to reform himself, but Chuck continually pushes Jimmy to go back to his old ways with toxic behavior. Chuck never believed Jimmy would turn his life around and has been sabotaging/betraying Jimmy since he passed the bar while in the mail room at HHM. So when Jimmy does do morally/legally questionable things Chuck is there to say he was right all along.

JoeE

Surprised you didn’t guess it would be ewell when the vet asked if he would need to fit in a tight space

Simon Pegged Me

Your version of Chuck reminds me of that line in They Might Be Giants's "Ana Ng": "I don't want the world; I just want your half." He has everything: a job he loves, one that suits his talents and one that he succeeds at. He has wealth from his success, status, respect, and standing in his profession and community. He has a fine home and had a wife who loved him. He has the world—or everything you're suppose to want to have—and it was enough until he sees how the world treats his ne'er-do-well brother. Then, what he has isn't enough. Before the success in the elder care case, Jimmy lived and worked in the back of a nail salon, took per diem criminal defense cases to pay the bills. The only thing worthy of envy in Jimmy's life was Kim's love for him. And yet, Chuck finds something in Jimmy's existence to crave and resent him for. He's deluded. I wouldn't have acted the Chuck did, because I don't view the world the way you've constructed it. No one is entitled to anyone else's love. You can go through life following the rules and doing everything that is expected of you, but following the rules doesn't make you lovable. If Chuck resents Jimmy because Jimmy gets love Chuck doesn't feel he's earned, that's Chuck's problem. He shouldn't make it Jimmy's.

Jeff K.

I hear nitroglycerin is the bomb. ...I'll show myself out.

Stephen Stone

I saw her name in the opening credits and I was like "there's a Cusack in this show?" And by process of elimination I figured it was Rebecca because she could pass as one. This is my 4th time watching BCS and just noticed.

Brad Lowry

I gotta believe that there is a Francophone member in Montreal that would be willing to meet you for coffee for practice, no?

Brad Lowry

Yor English is so remarkably good and that's not your first language, correct? So congrats already… Best of Luck 🤞

Brad Lowry

OMG I just noticed that Chuck used the fact that the Electric Company transposed numbers in his address as an excuse to his ex-wife (John Cusack's sister) for why the electricity was cut off, the exact same Chicanery that Chuck is trying to use to get Jmmy dis-barred!

Frank Knudsen

Good catch. He switched the adresses just like Jimmy! I love this show

mky

In order to help George learn and practice a new language, I think all future reactions should be done in French! Le français pour tout!

Grand Moff Slackin'

“Nacho or taco or burrito” seems a touch racist. How would George feel if I made a similar joke about Chinese names. For what it’s worth, Nacho is a nickname for Ignacio, he’s not named after food.

Itbewhatitbe

considering how often hes made jokes about his own ethnicity, he probably would laugh. on account that hes a thinking adult and can tell the difference between a joke and an insult. secondly, the characters name is literally a Mexican dish. so the line of thinking that "its some kind of mexican food" seems pretty reasonable. again, if youre a reasonable adult that isnt just having knee jerk reactions at everything.

Timothy

It's not that serious bud

Itbewhatitbe

i cant speak for everyone or anyone but myself, but i can tell you this, often times having people be offended on my behalf as a minority is waaaaay more racist than whatever joke someone said. because i now know the person being offended for me thinks i cant tell when im being insulted or not.

Grand Moff Slackin'

I am Mexican American and I’m offended for me. Thanks very much.

Itbewhatitbe

right, fair enough. so then this begs the second question, ive seen you around here for a while. so i know youre not new to S&G content or their humor. you've likely seen their past responses to mean comments, especially actually racist ones. do you honestly, in your heart of hearts, believe the joke was of a racist intend? and that you believe there is no possibility what so ever for the Occam's razor explanation, which is "its some kind of Mexican food"? because these days, the accusation of being racist is so casually thrown around that it can lose its meaning and potency in the face of actual, real hate and bigotry.

proVaxxer

How many con men could have possibly come to the store? Meanwhile, Jimmy is a KNOWN conman, who had been one for YEARS, who we SEE taking money from the register and spent a lot of his formative years behind that counter. You have opportunity, motive, and precedent. Anybody that doesn't believe that Jimmy stole a significant amount of money from that business is being as naive as Jimmy's dad. And how can anybody doubt Chuck? Every single thing he says about Jimmy is true. It's sad that he doesn't trust his brother, but his brother spent DECADES earning that mistrust.

proVaxxer

It's shocking how many people make excuses for Jimmy. Oh his big brother didn't hire him at his law firm... oh boo hoo. So now this middle-aged man gets a free pass to commit unethical breaches of legal conduct in perpetuity? Yes, his brother's lack of faith in him influences his behavior, but the man is a grown-ass adult and should be held accountable for his own actions.

Grand Moff Slackin'

It’s fine. I heard a joke, I took offense and left a comment. That can be the end of it. Whatever anyone does with that information is up to them.

Guy-on-Couch

funny how you could say you're offended but someone has to try and tell you that you're wrong because they're not offended...

Guy-on-Couch

Simone, you mentioned flip flopping on Howard but I think by the end you'll realize that Howard really is a good guy and a great character...Everything thing he did to Jimmy was because Chuck made him, which when you think about it, makes him a real good guy because he's taking all the shots from Jimmy for years just so Chuck doesn't have to be the "bad guy"...Yes he's douchey and pompous but not a bad guy :)

Luke

I thought the same.

DCray

Huell*

Sergio Meira

As the guy in the flashback -- the one who talked to Jimmy -- said, Jimmy's dad was well known as the person to go to if you want easy money. I'll bet even rather mediocre con men went to his shop. Enough for 50 grand? No way. But some significant part of it? Oh yes.

Sergio Meira

It's not simply that Chuck doesn't trust him -- it's that Chuck envies him, which was clear in several scenes. If all Chuck felt was a desire to make his brother understand that being 'Slippin' Jimmy' is a bad idea, well, there are more effective ways than just telling him he'll never change. But there was envy in the mix. Chuck is the older brother to the Prodigal Son, angry that his father seemed to like his SOB of a brother more than he liked him, the 'good' brother.

Sergio Meira

That is true. If only this were everything!... If only Chuck didn't feel envy as well!... He might have realized that there was a better and easier way to help his brother change his behavior.

mky

"omelette du fromage"

Fipse

That timing of her saying "Krazy8" was insane.

mky

I much preferred Chuck when he sang lead for Spinal Tap.

PabloI

Nacho is just the short form for Ignacio.

PostMan

I'm sure this has been said but there is a really great interview (I think between seasons 2 and 3) from the actor who plays Chuck, and there is a quote which sums up his feelings for Jimmy perfectly. Paraphrasing because i can't remember the exact quote but its something along the lines of, "Chuck made their mom proud. But Jimmy made her laugh."

JBK405

FYI Nacho is MENTIONED in "Breaking Bad", despite not appearing. In Saul's first appearance, when Walt and Jesse kidnap him to the desert, Saul desperately tries to say that "it" was all Nacho's fault. He also assumes that Walt and Jesse are working for somebody named "Lalo". That conversation got no follow-up in the rest of BB -- Nacho and Lalo were never again mentioned -- but we know Saul was into SOMETHING with them.

Justin Leone

I think it's left ambiguous how much Jimmy had stolen. Chuck mentions that all in all, it seemed that almost $14,000 was missing, but Chuck is also seemingly unaware that his dad was constantly being conned. It's implied in the flashback of him as a child that Jimmy also started taking money from the till, but we don't know how much of that 14k was due to Jimmy, or due to their father being a well-known mark to every con man in town.

gfixler

It's so funny to me how much George, and now I guess Simone, hates Chuck. Maybe it's generational, or maybe it's who we grew up around, but Chuck doesn't bother me in the slightest 😆 I completely get everything from his viewpoint. I've known way, way worse people, to the point that Chuck doesn't even register to me. I didn't even notice he was pompous, or arrogant, until George talked about it, and then talked about it again and again. From my perspective, it feels like life imitating art, like George has a hatred for Chuck that's been going on for a lifetime, in the way that Chuck has a hatred for Jimmy's lifetime of craziness, maybe because he's an avatar for someone George hates in real life, or an amalgam thereof. Anyway, just something funny I keep noticing. Maybe it's just because I hate fish tacos 😆

gfixler

It could also just be that I'm the baddy.

Siel sielll

I know im late and someone has probably already told you guys but nacho was mentioned in Breaking Bad at the very start

Marylou inProgress

I agree with all the reasons you feel bad for Chuck, and Jimmy switching those numbers was truly inexcusable. But at the same time *god* is it satisfying for Chuck to be revealed as the petty bitter man he is. It's so sad to see them tear each other down like this, but I also felt SO relieved that Chuck's real motivations are finally out in the open. I'd argue that Chuck gaslit Jimmy just as much as Jimmy did to Chuck by hiding those true feelings for so long. At the end of the day they've both been deeply unethical, but Jimmy knows who he is and really tried to do better, while Chuck has somehow convinced himself he's a friggin saint. So as sad as it is, I'm really glad that Jimmy's plan worked this time. (Hhh but then also Chuck is kinda right. Damn this good writing and the complicated feelings it gives me lol)

Sergio Meira

Naah. It's really because this show doesn't make either Chuck or Jimmy (as far as now) do really, REALLY bad stuff -- compare them with the Salamancas or Gus Fring, or even Mike. I mean, the worst thing Chuck did was manipulating Jimmy (and lying to himself that it was all for the greater good... if Chuck loves the Law so much, he can't be that much of a consequentialist). So it's not so difficult to be on his side and think he's really deep down an altruist who wants to help his little brother become a good man. It's just that, every now and then, Chuck will do something that goes entirely against this view (like said manipulation), always finding some pretext to justify it (as a lawyer, he's good at that) and always refusing to face the truth, namely, that he actually does envy his brother's charisma. Think of his condition, his EMH (Electro-Magnetic Hypersensitivity). It's a psychosomatic condition, not a physical one. Yet he managed to fool himself into believing it was physical, because his brain, his "legal mind." was too important for him. There were cues every here and there that this couldn't be right. Chuck is not stupid. I'm sure he saw at least some of these cues. But he dismissed them. Just as he dismissed those little moments when he either manipulated Jimmy, or lied to him (remember when he told Jimmy their mother had said nothing when she died?), or otherwise slightly wronged him -- because acknowledging that he actually did envy Jimmy would be too much for a man who thought he was as straight as they come, as correct, as faithful to the law and to doing the right thing as humanly possible. Chuck couldn't admit he had some human foibles like envy, right? Especially since he made Jimmy be the irredeemable "bad brother" who simply could never change and therefore could never be allowed to wield a lawyer's power... In fact, thinking about Chuck's EMH... when did it start? Apparently after Rebecca left him. A traumatic event. But... Chuck had had other traumatic events in his life. He didn't develop EMH when his father died, or when his mother died, for instance. So why when Rebecca left, which is after all much less final -- Rebecca might come back, while his parents never would... Could it be that Chuck had added to his trauma the (subconscious? he would never admit it...) impression that, if he had been a little more fun, like Jimmy, Rebecca might not have left him? Maybe that something in Rebecca loved Jimmy more than Chuck? Would that be enough to start his EMH?

Magnus Karlsson

Completely agree, I love Chuck, even the arrogance and sense of superiority. It's redeemed, and sometimes justified, by his competence and it contributes to making him a kind of larger than life character. I love Jimmy as a character but I also hate him, he frustrates me to no end, and Chuck is completely right about him; it would be the best thing for everyone if he got disbarred. I feel almost ashamed of admitting this since every single reactor I've watched have hated Chuck, whereas I only find comfort in his self-satisfied, oracle-like personality - even to the point where I feel like he's right (or should be right) the few times he's in the wrong.

Magnus Karlsson

I agree, it's ridiculous, and it's not just George and Simone it is basically every youtuber that has reacted to BCS. Chuck is completely right about Jimmy, and no one truly acknowledges it, they just keep making excuses for someone who is significantly more morally corrupt than Chuck; they make it sound like Chuck is the bad guy for being the only one who can see through him, is willing to stand up to him and not be manipulated by his bullshit.

Magnus Karlsson

You're completely right. I couldn't have said it better myself. Only my sense of dignity stopped me from writing the same thing.

SavyJones

You say chicanery, I say seanconnery