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Hi folks, so recently Crank had some copyright issues on the YT cut resulting in a lot of you unable to watch the video, the good news is that the copyright appeal has passed and the video is no longer blocked. Those of you who couldnt see it should be able to now!But we also want to take some time and give you all some information on exactly how Studio copyright claims work, so here goes: When we upload a new video, it goes through an automatic and immediate copyright check, this check takes anywhere from 10 mins to a few hours depending on the length, and it will usually come back immediately with time stamps of where the scan decides contains too much of a copyrighted material, this can be as short as 3-4 seconds of a movie clip even if we are commentating over it. However, at times long after a video has been uploaded and passes the auto copyright check, and this could be days to years, studio bots will do a secondary scan and that results in a type of copyright claim that blocks the video from certain parts of the world. Other times the claim simply results in the video being demonetized which we just leave as is, but when it blocks viewers from seeing it, we have no choice but to respond.

The first thing we do is to dispute the claim, which usually gets automatically rejected within a week or two, after which we can do an Appeal that can go 2 ways. First outcome is the appeal is outright Rejected and the video is either forcibly taken down or our channel gets a strike (like A24 did) and the video is taken down anyways, the second outcome is that the appeal is automatically granted when no responses are received from the studio after 7 days. The good outcome of no response occurs when either the studio doesnt actually care that much to spend actual man-hours on formulating an official response, or that the claim itself is falsified by scam companies and they can't actually produce any necessary legal documentation of ownership.

However, a few times in our channels history things have gone really awry such as the case with A24. When the appeal is not only rejected, but the channel receives a full strike. With YT, the first strike lingers for 90 days, where if you were to receive 2 more within those 90 days, the channel will be automatically deleted. To get to this point, the studio/publisher who made the strike has to do it manually with a person, its not something thats automated and a long form has to be filled out manually with evidence provided. During those 90 days however, we still have the right to counter claim the Strike, but this becomes a very risky procedure. In plain words, the process provides a very upfront warning that we were to proceed with this counter claim, the studio will then have a month to provide necessary legal documents to turn this strike into an actual lawsuit. If they fail to do so, then the strike is removed.

Of course no small time YT channel like ours can ever take on billion dollar companies and their legal teams, so our choices at that point is to either endure the 90 days and hope that the studio does not manually do 2 more strikes to take the channel down (which is what Ghibli did to VKunia in the past). OR, gamble on the fact that they are unlikely to actually spend billable lawyer hours in suing a channel over a video that made less than what those lawyers cost in an hour.

The caveat here is that this gamble takes a month to yield result, during which time the studio can choose to just make more strike claims, which is why when we were pending the result with A24, we took down all the A24 movie reactions. In the case of Ghibli, other channels who had to deal with this unfortunately received multiple strikes in quick succession which means that Ghibli intentionally waited until there were more than 3 reactions to their movies before doing so, giving the channel no chance to legally fight back. It is also why we will never have more than 2 Ghibli movie reactions published on YT. Patreon exclusives are an other matter and that is on the table, some day in the future. That's all! Thank you for making it this far, we like being transparent with things whenever we can and thought maybe this would be of interest to some of you. Thats it! Hope everyone's having a good week and remember, be nice to each other!

Comments

ShōNuff3K

Does this have anything to do with the movie Furiosa or is it just on the list and not put in a poll yet? I can't remember the studio.

Alan Walker

Thank you for this! This is, BY FAR, the most complete and clearest explanation I've heard regarding the copyright issue.

probablyKoi

It really saddens me that A24 are so set on being a threat to you guys as their films would make for great reacts. It is what it is I suppose.

Cinebinge

nope! thats in the backlog, just other movies have more demand but its there!

Gavin Kinsey

Still blocked for me in the UK. Maybe it will take some time for the unblock to percolate through youtube systems, I'll try again in a few hours.

Scott CineRam

Seriously messed up that a company would "sneak attack" with three strikes at once. Glad to know that you're being careful. You two are my favorite reactors by far, I don't want you to disappear!

Thomas Larsen

have you considered pros/cons of doing something like what blindwave does for their vids when it comes to scummy companies? (im thinking about only having intro/outro on yt and the reaction itself on a seperate platform where the bot issue is not as grand)

Gary Brown

I've been watching YouTube regularly since July 14, 2021, and usually watch 7-8 hrs a day And usually 2 patreon movies daily . Since then, i've picked up a few things here and there, but all yall reactors. It's like free publicity for the films and music. I know that there have to be rules but the way it's set up all youtubers are at their mercy. Thank u for giving a simple, straight forward explanation. Btw, I can't believe 60% are not subscribed . when i realized subscribing was free, i subscribed to the channels i watch, and its 130 channels currently. Lol. Simone , keep up the funny way u encourage us to subscribe and ur hilarious intros. Before i go, Simone, i saw on ur IG of u singing and u have a beautiful voice. It gave me Elvis vibes at how relaxed u were and just having fun with it. Well i don't know how u would do it, but Addie (counts) sings and yall should collab on a song and post it on YT. It'd be tricky, but it would be so awesome ! yall take take and stay golden.

rictus grin

first time i have had that problem on your channel, but downloaded opera and used it's free vpn so i still got to watch :)

Senec

I heard about those rapid succession copyright strikes to automatically delete a channel. Thats some vindictive shit right there. I could see justifying something like that against a channel that was posting the whole movie, since thats tantamount to piracy. But reactors? I cant be the only one that goes out and buys the movie to do a watchalong. Reactors cause renewed interest in older movies. Free advertising. Copyright striking reactors (that are only showing a few consecutive seconds of material at a time) seems like a quick way for a studio to shoot themselves in the foot.

Carlos H

i'll never forgive the studios who took away 'Brandon Likes Movies' from us. He said fighting copyright claims became overwhelming after a while.

Joseph M Sica

Hey guys shout out from your favorite lil Marine! Damn this is very informative guys! Quick question though, what is A24 and what is a Ghibli?

Itbewhatitbe

both are movie studios, A24 made films like Everything EVerywhere All At Once, Hereditary, Ex Machina, The VVitch and so on. Ghibli is a japanese anime studio, recent movie S&G did was Grave of the Fireflies.

Gavin Kinsey

It's unblocked now, so I assume it was just that.

Jacob Vallier

It seems like every reaction channel has their own enemy. Mary Cherry has to deal with Toho, Vkunia with studio Ghibli, and A24 with you guys. Hopefully it’s not forever because it doesn’t make sense if other channels get a pass.

Rob Church

Vkunia is one channel I def avoid. That girl is unwell.

Robinson vs. Parkinson's

So what you're saying is fuck Ghibli. Gotcha 👌 consider them proper fucked.

Guy-on-Couch

what makes you say that? I used to watch her videos but haven't in a long while. Did she go off the deep end

Bill Woods

"When we upload a new video, it goes through an automatic and immediate copyright check," Is there any way to set up a pre-release screening procedure? "Here's what we've got. Take a look. Heck, take a month." It's not like reaction videos to years-old movies are time-sensitive. But once granted, the clearance should be final. "Speak now or forever hold your peace." None of this waiting to collect three strikes crap.

Rob Church

Last I heard she was mistreating her editors and some of her videos like "The Boys" and "Gone Girl", basically any content that has a conflict between a man and a woman, she would go off on these ranting tangents about men where she would just spew vitriol. It got really sad and disturbing and I finally had to stop watching a few months ago. She just seems unstable. Hopefully she gets some help.

Logan Nelson

Thank you for taking the time to explain this. The transparency and authenticity of your channel is why I've been here since your viewer count was in the 100's... You guys are awesome!!

Logan Nelson

I thought I was their favorite Marine... I will just console myself by eating a 64 count box... Lol

Logan Nelson

Could we get movie franchise playlists? (Bond, MI, etc) It's just become kind of cumbersome to find the specific movie in the list if you're trying to watch them in order, there's just so many now!!!

Rabbid Dawg

I have to thank yall twice over - As someone that helps on the backend for other reaction channels too, this is incredibly valuable knowledge. I can't appreciate this post enough. As a viewer and long-time fan of yall's channel too, the transparency and effort you're willing to put into typing this out builds trust and it's clear yall love your community. You guys are awesome and I just want to be another voice here that says so. Also, damn. Studio Ghibli must eat their prime steak with a plastic spork. Lame.

Jpsynergy

So the basic solution is to have everyone sign up for patreon. Really though dealing with all that sucks, was nervous when you guys got that strike from A24. Glad you guys are careful we want you to stick around a while :)

Cinebinge

do you mean on the YT side or on Patreon?

Cinebinge

unfortunately no. everything is automated and done by bots until much later stages, and these scans can occur and reoccur years down the road when studios upgrade or change their scan bot models, so it re-scans everything out there. the result is that videos that once passed scans can retroactively fail them down the road. there is no preventative measures besides extremely careful editing, and hope to anticipate changes in the future.

Cinebinge

that is definitely something we've looked into, but it has its own complications. bigger channels with groups of people functions like a studio/company, they have more manpower to build and maintain their own sites, something we do not have. the same goes for cost, it can get really really expensive to host what is at this point thousands of hours of videos with god knows how many hours of views, the data traffic cost would likely be more than the channels total revenue. we've also looked into other third party websites, but they also have their own downsides; for one thing most other sites begins charging huge fees to host videos once your view count goes above a certain benchmark. likely for the same reason as us trying to host our own. YT is the only one that is not only free but a source of positive revenue stream. that being said, it is never off the table. if we ever discover an actually affordable and long lasting way to host everything we've done, and can handle the traffic as smoothly as YT does, we'd be happy to learn how to do it and give it a proper try.

maikeru

But if they upload it only on patreon then it should be ok, no?

FranciscoGios

I was wondering why some reactions from you guys don’t show up on the search bar, now I know why[sensitive studios]. It’s better not to have a multi-reactions from the copyright leagues of studios, we can agreed to that.

AC10

"the good news is that the copyright appeal has passed and the video is no longer blocked..." YOU BEAT THE SYSTEM!!!!!!! WHOOWHOO!!!!!!

AC10

Worth noting that they currently host their videos on youtube..., so patreon or not we won't be able to see copyright claimed videos (unless I'm misunderstanding this which is very possible).

AC10

Idk if you mean Youtube search or Patreon search but Patreon now seems to default to only showing post in your current paid tier on the main page and in searches unless you click the filter option and de-select that option.... which is a MAJOR PITA among many other things. Just FYI.

JakeyShakeyBakeyBoy

I guess it’s like working on top of an active volcano that spews copyright instead of lava; can go off anytime and all you can do is be as prepared with what you can understand despite how much it change itself with new eruptions. Long story short it’s a complex part of what it is and kudos for how you guys handle it. As long as we can see the experience you both have in some form I’m a happy lad

AC10

Some channels I follow don't host Patreon videos on youtube anymore.... not suggesting that is a fix all for this... but youtube has been notorious for over-the-top (aka default the person claiming copyright is default correct) for some time now. It seems worthwhile for money making people to have multiple hosting options available.

FranciscoGios

In general in the ‘search post’ where it gives you both YT and Patreon results.

Happy Hanukkah

I've mentioned before that I'd be willing to contribute to a carefully chosen litigation effort that would be willing to go all the way. Sadly, any contribution I could make would only be a drop in the bucket of the expenses involved, and the plaintiff would have to be bullheaded or quixotic indeed to see this difficult process through.

Jon

I'll be honest, I just about almost always watch the Patreon cut for the "off brand Kate Mara" and "less funny Bobby Lee" commentary than the movie itself. I watch the YouTube cuts of movies I'm interested in myself. Tangent question: would Kate Mara and Bobby Lee then be on brand Simone and funny George inversely?

howtocookazombie (Stan)

Ghibli. What a beast. Produces such beautiful animes but strikes everyone harsh. I can kind of understand that they want to protect their IP, especially because it is really good what they produce. But I wish they would understand that they have a lot of fans around the world and reaction videos (if created in good faith and fair) benefit both sides. People are re-watching old movies and many of them extend or buy subscriptions on streaming websites to be able to do so. I really hope that YouTube and the studios will create some system in the future for reaction channels, which gives both sides a more transparent and secure platform from which both can benefit without uncertainties like copyright strikes. But YouTube's limitation for editing already published videos is generally a pain in the ass... They retroactively apply their own rules and you have no choice to either take down your own video or re-publish it as a new one and confuse your audience.

Lee Fernee

Can anyone tell the best place for movie suggestions?

SnabbKassa

Well the ai is dumb enough that it can't distinguish between the content and a reaction to the content. It makes no sense for studios to think that people will watch content the first time via a reaction channel.

Maiki

Either in the comments of the weekly poll or DM.

probablyKoi

Think when they last did a Q&A George was saying they can do that but there's a data limit so they'd only be able to do it for so long until they run out of space on the patreon account and they kind of use that to do the music reacts or Q&As every now and then

UncleGaGa1979

It saddens me to hear about A24 being dicks, because some of the best movies like Midsommar, Ex Machina, Under the Skin, Room, Moonlight, Everything Everywhere All at Once, Locke, Enemy, The Witch, Green Room and Swiss Army Man and many more.