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Star Trek: The Original Series 319-320 (Patreon)

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Michael Bauer

As you're nearing the end of TOS - please consider watching the last two episodes in reverse order... TOS doesn't deserve the final episode it got, and your memory of this experience will be improved if you end it on the penultimate episode.

Actuarial Lurker

If you thought TOS Season 3 was bad- just watch TNG Season 1....yes, it's just my opinion, but there are only 15-20 good episodes out of ALL SEVEN seasons of TNG's 160+...Season 2 Episode 9 is great and Season 3 and later are OK. Wanted to warn you since you will be watching that show for 2 years. You should really poll the audience for some BEST OF picks to avoid the pain

Actuarial Lurker

Episode 20- controversial given Manson family vibes and in the 80s the reruns had weird reactions due to the AIDs crisis and the fact that the leader has an incurable disease and doesn't disclose it

Actuarial Lurker

George: the "universal translator" that everyone has implanted or in their comms badges would convert units into familiar terms. That said, since they are like the UN, NATO and EU of space I believe they have SOME common measurement systems

Actuarial Lurker

George was prescient- the Methuselah character was Lazarus in the Bible.If he can't die then Jesus didn't raise him from the dead and that did not play well with Christian audiences

Actuarial Lurker

Galaxy Quest's Sigourney Weaver was likely 7 of 9 from Voyager

Data Cable

Mixed with Deanna Troi

Skyruff Creative

Gene Roddenberry was opposed to the hippie/drop out side of counter culture. He was a strong believer in fixing the system not abounding it . Thus TOS it self with black women and Asians in command. He definitely believed in the free love side of the counter culture.

WayneC

Interesting that a US TV in the 1960s used kilometres and not miles.

Mark Barger

Like the 1956 sci-fi classic “Forbidden Planet”, Requiem is a loose re-telling of Shakespeare’s “The Tempest.”

Patrick

I've gone through TNG season 1 with a couple of other channels and it's honestly not nearly as bad as I recall it. It's obvious there are some leftover TOS plots but there's some fun ones in there.

Data Cable

This is the first time I've ever noticed the strings on those instruments (not Spock's) were multi-colored.

Monica Alarcon

Speaking of human centrism. The Animated series adds two non-human crewmembers (one of them isn't even humanoid). Then the rest of the series are more diverse (except Enterprise but it fits timewise) and then Prodigy doesn't have a single human crewmember, only aliens (and a hologram).

Actuarial Lurker

The whole Fernegi are arch-enemies thing was what git me in terms of silliness. Obviously the brilliant move was introduction of a different enemy who shall be nameless

dc

I remember the Klingons have their own unit of distance (kellicams)

Cory Garron

I guess you were mythtaken... I wonder what show that very well-known line is from. lol

Robert Evans

And Star Trek comes full circle. When MGM decided to make an SF movie, Forbidden Planet, water Cyril Hume was inspired.adapted 'The Tempest' by Shakespeare, a story of a magician w great powers on an isolated island and his young naive daughter. Roddenberry was inspired by 'Forbidden Planet' in the look and feel of Star Trek, and now in season 3 Star Trek cribs from 'The Tempest' with yet another story of a man with fantastic powers, a powerful servant and a naive 'daughter.'

dc

I wasn't expecting to love the Space Hippies episode, but i totally reached with it. Low-key one of my favorite episodes of Season 3. Spock being a total hippie at heart and having a jam session on the Enterprise? Far out! I know it's a maligned episode (by some) and while I admit that it's by no means perfect, I had a lot of fun watching it. I liked the music more than any of the other in-universe original songs, too.

Robert Evans

D.T. Nelson - sadly this was a *very* common episode of a 60s program. They nearly all did their 'hippie' episode nearly always supporting the establishment viewpoint. Only 'Batman' had an episode which suggested that perhaps you should listen and find out why they feel that way.

Perry Campbell

Nice reaction 😍I was screaming at the tv stop freaking talking, when Spock did the mind meld to Kirk to forget. It was the most touching thing Spock has ever done Kirk. That scene was so emotional, You guys really missed, well at least George did catch the end of it. 🥲🥲🥲🥲🥲

dc

Also found a great tidbit: the Space Hippies' Adam was played by a young Charles Napier, who has been in a *million* different things (just check his IMDB page) . You might recognize him as the leader of the "Good Old Boys" from the Blues Brothers!

Actuarial Lurker

Even Bewitched had Samantha play her evil cousin Serena the counterculture witch

Actuarial Lurker

Deep Space 9 is basically Casablanca in Space- so has many non-human cultures

Actuarial Lurker

Roddenberry had a multi-year affair with Nichelle Nichols who played Lt. Uhura- so he was romantically and sexually involved in an interracial affair but there was a power imbalance

Actuarial Lurker

True and the cocky child pilot in Galaxy Quest is clearly Wesley Crusher from TNG

Actuarial Lurker

Spank they Monk- Deep Space 9- except for the hokey Bajoran religion- is brilliantly written and has superior actors... essentially Casablanca in Space. I actually prefer Enterprise to TNG since it tries to backfill the technologies of TOS and does it with humor and shows that being in space would be a chore- getting infected, new tech doesn't work when you need it, you don't know which species you can trust, should you interfere in other people's business...etc etc.. That said Season 3 of Enterprise should have not been made

Actuarial Lurker

Spank the Monk- I watched TOS at age 7 back in 1973 and saw the Animated Series when it aired and went to a convention in 1974 in NYC- so have deep respect for the show and the ST universe. TNG just gets me the wrong way. Worf is poorly written- every sentence is something about "Honor", Deanna Troi is portrayed as useless, LaForge acts like an incel stalking people. The show is saved by Brent Spiner being brilliant in the role of Data, and a Royal Shakespearean actor playing Picard doesn't hurt

Kurt Hockenbury

George got it in one - "Requiem for Methuselah". was written by Jerome Bixby, who also wrote "The Man From Earth" exploring similar themes.

MacGuffinStuff

I was gonna say I recognized him from Silence of the Lambs and Rambo 2, and a ton of other movies I can't even remember.

MacGuffinStuff

I agree, I liked these two episodes. The Flint/Methuselah character was really interesting to me, that kind of episode leaves me with more questions than answers and I enjoy that. Like, what, was he anunnaki, or one of the immortals from Highlander? Kidding but I thought it would be an interesting side story to find out more about him and if there are more like him, and I thought it was interesting that he'd become a recluse, but then when he found out he had limited time left he went back to humanity, people. Also I think the word for what George was describing is chauvinism, but it would probably be kind of pushing it back in those days to seriously suggest that an extraterrestrial culture might be (morally) superior, I mean it was only ten years after McCarthy, you couldn't even suggest American culture wasn't the best without repercussions, let alone human culture. I think Roddenberry was probably pretty open minded, especially for the time. I bet he was one of those older but sort of creative intellectual types that got invited to some of the first acid parties with Tim Leary 😂 Edit: I just real quick looked him up because I never had, he supposedly flew 89 combat missions in the US Army Air Force in WW2, then was a police officer, LAPD, so going from military man and cop to writing and creating Star Trek in his 40s, yeah he definitely dropped acid at some point 🤙

Robert Evans

In the new but prequel series Star Trek: Strange New Worlds they consturct backstories for several of the legacy characters, Uhura has more skills and more doubts, Spock gets a lesson in binary thinking from a non-bianary character, and Nurse Chapel in addition to being a flirty bi-sexual has a deep psychic wound from service in war. The series certainly breaks canon but I, an old man who grew up on TOS, actually love it.

Simon Pegged Me

I think the Sigourney Weaver's Gwen DeMarco was based on first season's Yeoman Rand character and all the comely yeomen who came after her. (I think Kirk had only one male yeoman the entire series.) Thanks, Simone. You made me feel like Capt. American when you said, "myth-taken," because after you said it, I immediately said, "I got that reference." I also go your Tommy Lee Jones reference, or at least, I hope that's a Tommy Lee Jones reference. George, "The Way to Eden" aired a few months before the Manson family murders.

Rupert Purcat

my take has always been that Captain Kirk is really feeling the effects of a long deployment in space. always under pressure, always protecting the crew and ship, always losing people and always alone. He makes these connections but always moves on and being the Cap, cannot return the love of the star stuck crew. I think Shatner does a great job showing how it is wearing him reluctantly. I can only imagine the difficulties and personality clashes on set as the show winds up.

Rupert Purcat

Agreed, they are brave enough to have fun in the spirit of the original show. Even the doctor is the same as the original one pre-bones.

Bruce Woodcock

Your connection of Requiem for Methuselah to The Man from Earth is accurate, as the writer who came up with the story for that episode, John Bixby, later wrote the screenplay for The Man from Earth.

Actuarial Lurker

indeed they do- since the meter was defined by Napoleon during the French Revolution as based on the number of kilometers from Paris to the North pole why would other species use the meter?!

Robert Evans

yeah somehow they took a legacy character I didn't really care about, Chapel, and made them my favorite character. (thought La'an Noonian-Singh is a very close second)

Perry Campbell

Dam on that 2nd I couldn’t get past that big Flower 🌺 guy singing was Murdock The bad guy in (Rambo 2) he play such a good bad guy lol

gfixler

Interesting that Methuselah mentioned wanting to keep hidden from the meddlers. That's what they're doing with Methuselah, the oldest, confirmed, non-clonal tree, which is over 4800 years old, with an estimated germination date of 2833 BC. They don't list which tree it is, to keep vandals away. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methuselah_(pine_tree)

gfixler

It's linked on that page, but as for maybe the oldest *clonal* tree, we have Pando, which is an Aspen "tree" in Utah. Aspens send roots far and wide, which send up "ramets" (stems) that grow into basically more trees, but they're still part of the original. Pando, Latin for "I quake" (quaking aspens have leaves that flutter in the wind, and cause the entire tree to look like it's shivering), has 47,000 ramets, spanning 42.8 hectares, or 106 acres. It's basically its own forest. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pando_(tree) I'm a woodworker, and I got a ton of free alder scraps—an entire heaping truck bed full—from a local sign shop, and it made me curious about alder trees, because I didn't know what they looked like. Looking them up, I fell down a roughly 2-year rabbit hole, full of things like Methuselah and Pando, and far too much more than I could write here. Trees are fascinating, and it's like the science, biology, chemistry, politics, nation-building, craft, war, legal issues, and 15 other things surrounding trees, is endless. I was just poring over really interesting stuff every night, month after month.

gfixler

Okay, just as one example, which George will probably find interesting, and which is just one of hundreds of really interesting things my little tree/dendrology excursions took me to. I visited a friend where he lived at this little campus housing... "park"? full of 1950s? bungalows in Los Angeles. It had massive versions of all of the trees I was learning about, and one looked like a bunch of little trees fused into a trunk. The groundskeepers had cut off a branch, and it was "bleeding". Red fluid was leaking out of it and down the trunk. I took a picture and forgot about it. Months later I read about the logwood tree, Haematoxylum campechianum. After reading a bit, I remembered back, and realized that was the tree I had seen. Logwood trees contain haematoxylin, which was used for a long time as a histologic stain (for staining slides for viewing under a microscope). Haematoxylum is Greek for blood (haima) + wood (xylon, which is also where we get xylophone, literally "wood sound/voice"). England had a colony called British Honduras (by the way, double check all of this; it's been, like, 10 years, and I'm surely mixing things up by now), which was a swampy region, full of logwood trees. When they realized hematoxylin made a vivid, colorfast dye, which could be rich royal red, purple, or blue, depending on pH, great for royal textiles, they set up slave camps to harvest the trees, all through the 17th through 19th centuries. They had the bark stripped on-site, before shipping the logs back to England, and so much was harvested, that the bark built up the ground, forming areas above the swamp that could be built on, and those areas became the more expensive real estate later. British Honduras later became the nation of Belize, and the flag of Belize is all logwood-related, from the men (slaves) and tools for harvesting, and the boat for shipping, to the tree and leaves, and even the slogan, "Sub Umbra Floreo," Latin for "Under the shade I flourish." Logwood dye was eventually replaced by the oil-based discovery of aniline dyes, which are cheaper to produce. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haematoxylum_campechianum https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haematoxylin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belize https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aniline https://www.woodmagazine.com/materials-guide/finishes/aniline-dyes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xylophone

Bandaloop

The ending of Requiem always amazes. Uninvited, Spock enters Kirk's mind and alters it. It has to be a court-martial offense to alter your commanding officers' mind without permission, but Spock doesn't even hesitate. He helped Pike, and now he's helping Kirk. If cornered, Spock might say he was remedying Kirk to improve his efficiency, but we know.

Actuarial Lurker

There is a species of jellyfish that are essentially immortal- simply cleaving offspring off and only dying if eaten or wounded-sort of like an elf from LOTR

3dbadboy1

The actress Louise Sorel was excellent in this episode. She was really popular on TV during the 60s & 70s. My favorite role she played was in an episode of the Night Gallery, Pickman's Model, which was based on a short story by H.P. Lovecraft.

Actuarial Lurker

He was in Silence of the Lambs- he was the one Hannibal clubbed to death- and he also is in great episode of Star Trek DS9....

Robert Evans

he was also Officer Boyle the one that Hannibal Lector made into a decoration in 'The Silence of the Lambs' and the voice of Duke Phillips on "The Critic' a thinly disguised satire of Ted Turner.

gfixler

I think it gets less human-centric later, but I also think they use "human" often as a kind of stand-in for the ideals of humanity. Like Kirk has said of Spock when he's seemed to experience emotion, that he seemed "almost human," and Spock took it as an insult 😆 But they would also say that a human killer was an inhuman monster, or they'd ask someone who was being cruel "where's your humanity?" So yes, it's very centric, but it does feel like they also use the word more to mean the things we humans find good about ourselves.

Alan Kobb

The Way To Eden started with a script by D.C. Fontana about McCoy's daughter, but that got heavily re-written into this big mess with the daughter replaced by Chekov's girlfriend, so D.C, had her name replaced by a pseudonym. The whole thing is based on the "hippie" counter-culture" of the 1960s. To me it looks like they just made their own version of th Broadway play "Hair", which is basically the same thing, but much better and with really better music, Actually, Hair might be something that you guys should consider reacting to.

Thomas Larsen

I am impressed how a 6k old mega genius could not create an android with emotions, but Kirks sexy bod could!

danzthename

lol I know where that 'mythtaken' quote is from. Does the careful avoidance of the show name and characters suggest you might be watching said show on the channel in the near future? (pretty please?)

Misha T

I'm so glad people are talking about "The Man from Earth"! Such an underrated little gem, and I rarely encounter anyone else who's heard of it.

Nabikon

I've seen this episode several times and this is the first time I realized it was Officer Blood Eagle

James Wilson

Damn, I wish my friends were into Star Trek because I want to start saying things are "now" and they "reach."

Al

I can't access this particular one through the cinebingers website. Just this one. It says access restricted due to tier level. All others work fine.

Cinebinge

hm, not seeing any errors on the video itself, nor am i seeing your user name on the access log. could you tell me in the restriction message page, does it include an email address at the end of the message?

Al

Hello. This is the exact message I see: "Access Restricted The content you are trying to access requires a different level of Patreon tier subscription, please check if you have the correct tier or if you are logged in with the correct Patreon account on this browser". I don't see an email address anywhere. If it's just me, it's not a big deal. I may try relogging back in .

Cinebinge

hi Al give it another try, it should be good now.

Lana Gorgeous

I think you are wrong in one respect with regard to Reyna and Kirk seeing as a android she was flawed . You were wrong that things are different now 50 years later. I just watched Ex Machina and there were similarities, except Reyna developed true human feeling and she was nice but Eva was pretty evil.

Angela D. Mitchell

I loved "Requiem for Methuselah" when I first saw it years back, although I agree with you, George, that the fact that it's set against an urgent backdrop of the crew members dying of a fast, deadly virus is jarring because it's all I can think about on this first rewatch for me while Kirk and the crew hang out and dance, etc. I also don't find the romance quite convincing enough to be the epic the show wants it to be -- so the "Forget" moment doesn't hit as hard for me as it might. For me, it's the presentation of the romance here -- first, Rayna never seems to feel pulled in two ways at the end (which kills her) because even with her awakened emotions, she doesn't seem to feel anything for Flint at the end whether as her creator or "father" etc. Kirk also knows her for maybe a few hours, so the "love" aspect on his part feels very forced to me, in way that it never did in "City on the Edge of Forever," where he really got to know Joan Collins's character. If Kirk had been in so much pain that Spock had said "Forget" to Kirk there at the end it would have made total sense. But here it does feel a little forced, although it still moved me. On the plus side, I really loved Louise Sorel's performance as Rayna and James Daly's as Flint, and I loved that the script has Rayna openly discovering and declaring her agency. When she yells at the two of them "I choose!" it's really powerful for that reason (I'm with Simone --I would have loved for her to choose HERSELF, although that probably still would have killed her). (Meanwhile, I know reacting isn't easy, but I do wish you guys would pause talking when you're watching a movie or episode's big -- especially its final -- moments -- Simone utterly missed one of the most resonant endings in TOS on a conversation that she could have paused to continue until afterward.)