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Unforgiven - Patreon Verison (Patreon)

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No Sync Required Version: https://cinebingers.ca/zXu5H5UXs9 - For Patreon tier "Bingers on The Wall" or higher.

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Jay Davis

Well he shoulda armed himself... with popcorn! For watching this reaction to this wonderful western.

Prof. Writhms

George, Simone... If you like Gene Hackman (duh... who doesn't?), you need to check him out in his BEST role in "The French Connection" (1971).

Emptysea93

For another iconic performance with Gene Hackman, along with the iconic Robin Williams and Nathan Lane, try “The Birdacage”! Not to mention a certain simpsons actor appearing as “Agador Spartacus” lol

Odd Thomas

More great westerns: High Noon 3:10 to Yuma (2007) Hostiles Open Range The Quick and the Dead The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance Shane

JakeyShakeyBakeyBoy

This kind of grimy, intense and morally complex Western is still awesome after all these years. “Deadwood” (one of my fave shows) is also amazing and has this style but injects a really unique use of language - “Crass and Class” to put it one way haha. If it ends up winning a TV poll someday it’ll be a great watch! Also seconded “The Birdcage” mentioned below

Terdell Ferguson

Such a great film, and one where there really are no good guys. There's a reason this one never gets old. Winner of Best Picture, Best Director, Best Supporting Actor (Gene Hackman).

Monica Alarcon

You've already seen Gene Hackman . He was the blind guy in Young Frankenstein.

CT

Love you guys, but please don't have the subtitles on if you don't need them. I'm begging you! I love this movie, and I'm struggling to get through this reaction.

Tinfoilnation

The final gun fight and why William wins is set up and explained... when Little Bill has Bob in the jail cell and is explaining how gunfights work to Beauchamp. The man that keeps calm, doesn't get rattled... like as not he'll kill ya. Everyone else was rattled and Munny wasn't. Even the misfire of the shotgun was set up earlier - when they first hit town during the rain storm Munny's gun wasn't loaded as he wanted to keep his cartridges dry to prevent misfires. At the end it was a rain storm again, he wasn't keeping his rounds dry... and misfire. Everything set up pays off. Basically this film is a masterclass in scriptwriting.

Cincassette

Please, please, please watch the Clint Eastwood Westerns by Sergio Leone! For all the more contemporary westerns you've seen, you've really avoided any and all classic westerns like the plague!!

Darin Foat

If you want to check out another great Eastwood western, which he also directed, The Outlaw Josey Wales (1976) is a great companion piece to this film. He's done a ton of westerns over the course of his career, and you can really trace the evolution of the genre through his films.

David Zabel

If you want to see younger Clint Eastwood but not into westerns that much then you should do the Dirty Harry franchise.

REDR58

Gene Hackman movies you should watch: The French Connection (1971) The Poseidon Adventure (1972) The Conversation (1974) French Connection II (1975) Night Moves (1975) A Bridge Too Far (1975) Superman (1978) Superman II (1980) Hoosiers (1986) No Way Out (1987) Mississippi Burning (1988) Narrow Margin (1990) The Firm (1993) Crimson Tide (1995) Get Shorty (1995) Enemy of the State (1998) (this movie is a sequel/spiritual sequel to “The Conversation” is all but name) Behind Enemy Lines (2001) The Royal Tenenbaums (2001)

Kyle Baker

Just hit 16:35 in this video. Going to suggest watching the movie "Paint your Wagon" (1969) No special reason....

REDR58

More Clint Eastwood movies you should watch: A Fistful of Dollars (1964) For a Few Dollars More (1965), The Good, the Bad and the Ugly (1966) Where Eagles Dare (1968) Kelly’s Heroes (1970) Dirty Harry (1971) (I also like all the sequels, but they aren’t all great) Escape From Alcatraz (1979) Firefox (1982) In the Line of Fire (1993)

Amelie W

Here's something to think about: The last act when Will goes on his murder spree, how much of that is because of a shall we say cultural expectation to take revenge for Ned and how much because without his wife he can't fight his addiction to drinkin and killin any longer?

Carlos Hurtado

I think the worse kind of character to be would be Pedos and SA'ers. My partner loves the series Law and Order. I always find myself feeling bad for the actors who play those disgusting characters.

Doug's Night Terrors

I get why you'd picture Clint Eastwood as a 'white hat' lawful-good sheriff type—especially if you haven’t seen his older westerns. But most of his classic roles were actually antiheroes, not too far off from what you saw in Unforgiven. While not all his characters were as dark as William Munny (with his whole “killing women and children” past), they were always morally complicated. I grew up on his westerns, and seeing him older—falling off his horse, fumbling with his gun—really hit me. It was clear he wasn’t that guy anymore. So when he walked into that bar at the end, completely outnumbered and outgunned, and still became that badass guy again, that was epic. Made this old fart feel like maybe I’ve still got a little fire left in me. I’d love to see you guys react to some of his classic westerns!

Sagan Ritual

I had to stop myself fangirling when I got the email that you guys were doing this movie ❤️

REDR58
>>168579973

Wait wait wait! Here comes Lee Marvin! Thank God. He’s always drunk and violent!

REDR58
>>168572021

I haven’t watched this since it was originally released when I was in High School…several years, decades…. Ago. Guh.

D. T. Nelson

The fact that you guys have not seen any movies with Gene Hackman until now is insane. A list of must watch movies - action, drama, and comedy: The Conversation (1974), Superman: The Movie (1978) (and Superman 2 (1980)), Mississippi Burning (1988), The Firm (1993), Crimson Tide (1995), The Birdcage (1996), Enemy of the State (1998 - a sort of unofficial sequel to The Conversation), The Replacements (2000). There are other films you should see, too, but that will give you a start.

Doug's Night Terrors
>>168581698

Just to add—I'm pretty sure the whole “killer of women and children” thing was more reputation than fact. When Munny and Ned talk about the old days, none of those kinds of stories come up. It only gets mentioned later, when Munny’s using fear as a weapon—like when he threatens to kill their wives and burn their houses, or tells Little Bill he’s “killed everything that walks or crawls.” All of that felt more like intimidation than confession.

Terdell Ferguson
>>168572021

I love this film. It's one of the "Big Four" westerns for me, along with Open Range, 3:10 to Yuma (2007) and The Magnificent Seven (2016).

Brandon

I hope you guys have a fire lit in you to watch some more westerns. This movie got a lot of Oscar love, but Jaimz Woolvett should have gotten one for playing the Schofield Kid. Everyone remembers Eastwood's line, "It's a hell of a thing killin' a man..." but the Kid's performance in that scene is just terrific acting. The sheer mix of emotions he feels gives me goosebumps. Stories that "deconstruct" the genre they live in aren't anything new, but this might be the best example. From the way the "hero" can't properly get on his horse or shoot straight for most of the film to the fact that "real" gunfighters were a lot more rare in the west than we like to think. The movie even goes so far to compare whores and horses. Normally in a western, the prostitutes dress in frilly dresses and show a little leg - they're rarely real characters in old western flicks. Even the actual cowboys, who did that job for a living, are far from glamourous and heroic. The terrible actions of a cowboy set the story in motion. On top of that, you have the fact that nobody can explain why William Munny's wife ever had any interest in him in the first place. You could say that about all of the beautiful women in Westerns that fall in love with these rough men in movies that shoot men down in massive numbers. There's a great spaghetti western from the late 60's called 'The Great Silence'. It took all of the tropes that were expected from the genre at the time and flipped them on their head. Anyone that hasn't seen it should check it out. It's directed by Sergio Corbucci, who Tarantino went out of his way to refer to as "the second best director of spaghetti westerns" in Once Upon a time in Hollywood.

Brandon
>>168581698

I always saw it as a true story, since Little Bill knew him by name but not face. I'm pretty sure he blew something up with dynamite that got women and children killed - even if that was never his intention.

Theo Bracco

Morgan Freman plays a Mob Boss in Lucky Number Slevin (no spoilers).

Doug's Night Terrors
>>168581698

Wow, completely missed that. Just rewound it. I think this watch is my 3rd time watching, and I guess I was too focused on Munny taking that drink after hearing about Ned. I always thought the story was told to Little Bill by Ned to kinda hype up the fear factor—but hearing it back, she actually tells the story as Little Bill said it: “The same William Munny that dynamited...” Thanks. I probably would’ve watched it a fourth time thinking I already knew the story and not paid attention again.

Shonnicus
>>168580279

Firefox, YES! Some of his "lesser" films still great: Absolute Power (1997) Play Misty for Me (1971) Directorial Debut A Perfect World (1993) Directed, starring Kevin Costner The Outlaw Josey Wales (1976) Absolute Power (1997) with Gene Hackman The Gauntlet (1977) watched so many times on tv as a kid Heartbreak Ridge (1986) Eastwood just Cooks in the movie Of course Mystic River (2003) which someone might have mentioned but deserves its own merit.

JoeE
>>168581698

His characters were rarely black and white. I would recommend high plains drifter and the beguiled. I like Josey wales, but have mixed feelings after learning the true story of the author

Spacedone

A few recommendations for other films to react to with Clint Eastwood or Gene Hackman. Eastwood movies: Kelly's Heroes (1970) Dirty Harry (1971) In The Line Of Fire (1993) High Plains Drifter (1973) Hackman movies: The French Connection (1971) Mississippi Burning (1988) Enemy Of The State (1998) Crimson Tide (1995)

Shonnicus
>>168580279

Dangit I have to mention the 2 movies I watched on tv so much: Thunderbolt and Lightfoot (1974) Every Which Way but Loose(1978) Yes the Orangutan was the star.

nigel Macbug

Simones old west name killa katz

Grandalf

Western's get no better. That's all I have to say about that.

Sumner Hayes

Clint looks old because this was somewhere around his 60th movie, he'd been acting in Hollywood for 37 years already! He's only been in about 15 movies since then, so this is well into the final 1/4 of his career acting-wise (at this point, he's been active in Hollywood for 70 years, since 1955), and over halfway age-wise. His directing is skewed later, but he'd still directed 16 films before this.

Sumner Hayes

“John Bull” means an Englishman, which was intended as an insult in the context of the conversation. John Bull was/is a cartoon who kind of represented England, sort of like Uncle Sam and the United States.

Simone's Coconut Squire

If you enjoyed this, I think you'll enjoy Clint's older westerns in which he often plays complicated characters.

REDR58
>>168580279

I remember at the time when The Bridges of Madison County came out in 1995 how there was a lot of talk about it being a big romantic lead role for Eastwood, which was somewhat usual to say the least.

REDR58
>>168579973

You have no idea how many gags on the Simpsons are based on real shows and movies. There are *so many* old movies references on The Simpsons. 😄

REDR58
>>168579973

For those who missed it… The Simpsons’ reference of “Paint Your Wagon”: https://youtu.be/oGEeouAnrGQ?si=Bm2o5glzumVcXxtH “Paint Your Wagon” is a 1969 musical western directed by Joshua Logan starring Clint Eastwood and Lee Marvin. Here is Lee Marvin singing “Wand’rin’ Star” from “Paint Your Wagon” on The Ed Sullivan Show in 1969: https://youtu.be/ONv_Eo7qhVc?si=_ZnnVXwzvvX48N9k Oh we really need to get you guys to watch some Lee Marvin movies…

Mark Alex Leach

i've been looking forwared to this one, ever since it won the poll, and it didn't disappoint in any way. You guys were reactive to the film in the same places I did. I do enjoy watching good movies with friends.

Donna Castellano

Gene Hackman is one of my favorite actors. I’ve seen all of his movies, one of the few actors I like where I have. I was wrecked when all the details of his and his wife’s passing came out. Such a sad story. Anyway to happier comments … I think it was the second time I saw this movie I noticed when English Bob started yelling at the whole town as he left, his accent changed. It went from the more posh one to a cockney like one. He was even lying about who he was as an Englishman. Also, John Bull is slang for an Englishman.

Skyruff

The "Outlaw Josey Wales" (1976) is considered the first half of this movie. Although, its of a different character, it's an origin story of a killer who in the end finds a women and settles down. Thus, unforgiven is the back half of the western mythical character. The dollar trilogy (although they were meant to be three distinct movies) is the movie origin of the Clint Eastwood western mythos.

John
>>168598470

Great list, I would add The Royal Tenebaums, Absolute Power, Superman 1978, The Outlaw Josey Wales, The Dollars Trilogy (Fist full of Dollars, A Few Dollars more, The Good the bad and the Ugly), Hoosiers, The Conversation.

djKENTO

There is a Japanese remake of this film set in the Samurai era with Ken Watanabe in the lead and it fucking RULES. Highly recommend that too.

FranciscoGios

“Gene really Hack that Man up”!!!! 🤣🤣

Haye Zeus

Ahem Dollars Trilogy at once!

Jesse Coombs

For Gene Hackman movies, I really love "The Conversation" and "The Royal Tenenbaums". He's made countless other good movies though.

Michael LaPorte

It's worth noting that this movie is partially Eastwood looking back on several decades of having both starred in and directed many Westerns, and his reflections on both his career and the genre itself.

REDR58

Excellent reaction. I’ve only seen this once before when it was first released and I’d forgotten much of it, so it was a nice revisit. Big Whisky is a fictional location: https://www.mansionglobal.com/articles/480-acre-canadian-ranch-includes-the-fictional-town-of-big-whiskey-from-clint-eastwoods-1992-movie-unforgiven-01666696733 Frances Fisher was indeed in Titanic. She was married to Eastwood from 1990-1995. The late Sondra Locke (1944-2018) was married to Eastwood from 1975-1989 and was in several of his movies as well. The Schofield Kid exaggerated all the injuries to the cut woman and Will repeated it to Ned. Will said the horse was getting revenge on having whipped it in the past The people on the train are commenting on the assassination of President James Garfield who was killed by Charles J. Guiteau in 1881, dying 2 months after being shot. 50 yards is about 45 meters. A yard is 3 feet and just under a meter. Saul Rubinek who plays Beauchamp has a very memorable role in an episode of Star Trek The Next Generation. Rifles by design have a longer accuracy (perhaps about 1000 yards with skill) but some revolvers can be fairly accurate at a 100 yards or so depending on the skill of the shooter. Guns with rifled barrels, that is with a grooved twist cut into the barrel which causes the bullets to spin and be more stabilized in flight as opposed to smooth bored gun barrels, have more accuracy. Eastwood has directed 40 movies. Jaimz Woolvett who played the Schofield Kid is Canadian. It doesn’t look like he’s acted in anything since 2008.

Jesse Coombs
>>168625251

That would be great. And even the Dollars movies are a reinvention of the western genre. I think it would be cool if they watched some earlier westerns like "Stagecoach", "The Searchers", "Johnny Guitar", and "The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance" first to see how the genre evolved.

Jacob King
>>168626491

I love Tenenbaums. Hackman hated working with Wes Anderson because he didn’t get the comedy and it’s so removed from that 70s macho era of filmmaking and Bill Murray apparently had to run interference and assure him that Anderson knew what he was doing and then you watch the finished movie and Hackman is perfect and gives an incredibly nuanced performance of this complicated figure.

Drew

I haven’t seen it yet, but this was recently remade in Japan, set during the same time period, when samurai were being outlawed. Ken Watanabe playing Eastwood’s character. I think it’s a 1:1 remake.

Joe D. MacGuffinstuff

Oh man I could probably talk about this movie for a while, it's a personal favorite. But just on it being one of my favorite Gene Hackman characters and performances, and I love that Simone mentioned that she saw him as lawful neutral (*evil, later) I agree, BUT, I think it's shown that he has a sadistic streak that even he himself is well aware of. After he kicks hell out of English Bob you can see he's angry at himself for showing the little town of Big Whiskey the dark temperament that made him a successful law man in tougher towns. He's a bully and he knows it, but then as Beauchamp starts to get him al twisted on his literary avatar, I think that almost neutralizes whatever sense of guilt about his cruelty he had left. The way he smiles after he beats the crap out of Eastwood and drops what he knows is a great line, "He's desiring to leave the hospitality of Big Whiskey behind him."

Joe D. MacGuffinstuff

Yeah those old pistols were much more difficult to use with any accuracy. For one thing the weight, another the trigger pull, having to pull so hard on a trigger will definitely affect your aim, especially in a hurry (that explanation by Gene Hackman is one of my favorite scenes). But not sure, never fired an 19th century pistol, just what I've heard.

Joe D. MacGuffinstuff

Richard Harris was in another Western I remember liking, saw it a long time ago but I remember it being good, "A Man Called Horse". I specifically remember one scene, pretty brutal body horror but supposedly a real rite of passage of some plains natives. Btw you guys gotta watch "Little Big Man" another of my favorite Westerns, Dustin Hoffman, lot of humor, some tragedy of course, tough to avoid the tragedy when depicting that history. Funner fact, Dustin Hoffman an Gene Hackman were roomies, they lived together in NYC when they were young actors. One story I remember was Hoffman meeting Hackman somewhere downtown and Hackman, who btw was a Marine, was antsy, anxious, and told Hoffman he needed to go to bar and get in a fight. My guess was he was both agitated for some reason, and wanted to practice some method acting to make the most of it. He was an intense presence on screen, every time, there was never a scene he was in where he wasn't commanding. He could be your favorite coach (Hoosiers) or an intelligent and charismatic but tyrannical overlord (Crimson Ride, too many other movies to cite, that's just the first that popped in my head). He's also the best Lex Luthor that will ever live, he owns that character in perpetuity.

JarHead0351

A good Gene Hackman movie is Enemy of the State & Mississippi Burning -- for George Small Soldiers

MikeBdrx

Lots of great lines in this movie. My favorite line is just one word. Clint’s “yeh” when bill says see you in hell. Please watch Fist full of dollars. For a few Dollars More and The good The Bad and The Ugly.

Gary Fixler

Get the Night Punch crew back together! I need to see Simone in a llam-com, as a llama wearing a dress.

Justtired

Simone, thank you for the Faith reference 👍🏻

Steve Mercier

Yep. Greatest goddamn western of all time.

Benjamin Herrera

Outlaw Nicknames, Thorny Rose and the Dragon Kid 💥

Gary Fixler

Georgie Poo and Simoney Lumps! I'm not good at nicknames.

Gary Fixler

The guy who ran the whorehouse was the same guy who attacked Jane in the shower, after singing with her ("misty water-colored memories!"), in the second Naked Gun movie, the year before Unforgiven, which was his final movie. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_James_(actor)

Amelie W
>>168702777

Going off their own ideas, I'm thinking Shakes Simone and Lumpy Dragon.

SpankTheMonk

I love this movie because it is so awash in blood and grey. It is so easy to say “they deserve to dye” or “I hope/want them to dye”. But like Gene was saying in the beginning, where is the law of fairness for the type of crime to just end him. Before most of our religious texts, Hammurabi tried to setup a fair and balanced law. The woman was cut up, so we “feel” the guy should dye, but Gene was making it clear that is not a balance of justice. It went squishy from there, but the point comes across. Except the kids in the beginning no one was innocent.

SpankTheMonk
>>168577097

They have talked about it, specifically George. It was more about their interest but not sure where to start.

SpankTheMonk

Also not sure ( after quickly reading through all the comments) if anyone mentioned “Play Misty For Me”. It is a twist on a common film idea. And it is Clint Eastwood’s directorial debut. It is a good film, but I don’t know if you would get any analytical attention. So please think of checking it out on your own. Cheers 🍻

Opti_Frog

At one point in time Westerns were the most popular movie genre coming out of Hollywood. Between 1945 and 1965 it comprised roughly a quarter of studio output. But by 1992 the classic Western that mythologised the Old West was pretty much a dead genre. The revisionist Westerns and native American dramas of the late 60s and 70s had painted a very different picture of the westward expansion, and called bullshit on the myths. I would say that's the main reason Unforgiven isn't like a classic Western.

REDR58
>>168938743

The funny thing is that I remember it being much more gory that it was. Until the reaction here, I hadn't seen the movie since it first came out, but I suppose I'm just desensitized to graphic violence in movies.

SpankTheMonk
>>168938743

For sure, violence and blood is so common across all media. I think Simone, or another reactor said this in some reaction but it rings true, not seeing is almost worse now than it used to be.

DJS302

The beginning thought question that George proposed is interesting... It kind of sounds similar to other aspects in real life, not necessarily limited as a fun thought experiment, for instance having a dream job, and seems like what would help in the decision process is competence, confidence, and interest in doing it.

Cory Garron
>>168642416

Before she said she wanted to be a llama, I thought for sure she was going to say lawnmower.

Cory Garron
>>168626679

I couldn't place him while watching, but that's definitely where I recognize Saul Rubinek from.

Cory Garron

Anyone here seen The Jack Bull? I remember that being a good Western, although I watched it during a teenage hangover around 1997.

Wayne Kryka

Love hearing your cat purr Simone.

Rooster Aleution

One of Gene Hackman's greatest roles. Stone cold hard man!

Ricardo Alanis

This was a big surprise to me once I finally got around to watching it. I recommend the nameless man trilogy (A Fistful of Dollars, For a Few Dollars More, and or course The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly). Such great performances and surprises in this movie.

Funkachute

Technically I thing Young Frankenstein is your first Gene Hack Man movie