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Mike FromOz

"Capital punishment for murder in Great Britain was suspended in 1965 and made permanent in 1969, while complete abolition for all remaining offenses (such as treason) took place in 1998." Now who's the smarty-pants, Mr. Sherlock?

Jeff K.

This show was my official introduction to Andrew Scott (I say official because he was essentially an extra in Saving Private Ryan, and then appeared in the second episode of Band of Brothers, but obviously at that time, I had no idea who he was), and his portrayal of Moriarty originally really bugged me. But he definitely grew on me, and whenever I revisit this episode, I start loving his performance more and more.

Lord Sanogo

This show just makes me want to rewatch Luther

Tom B

This is hands down my favorite portrayal of Moriarty in media. He’s so unhinged and charming and fun to watch! Andrew Scott nails the character

Tom B

Simone thinking about Sherlock and pudding made me think of the old Sherlock Holmes serial from the 50s where they have an episode called “The Case of the Christmas Pudding”! It’s about as silly as it sounds. The old Basil Rathbone Holmes movies are also worth checking out!

MeetMountain

He is very odd lookinh. I think Cumberbatch looks like an alien/human hybrid. 🤣

John

If you enjoy Andrew Scott, I recommend Pressure (2026), which also stars Brendan Fraser.

John

The First Season of Luther is very good, It would make for a nice short TV series (six) one hour episodes. I would strongly recommend it, but I do not think it could win a poll, though I believe it is some of Idris Elba's best work and that includes his work on The Wire which I love.

Richard Pearce

The Adventures of the Christmas Pudding is an Agatha Christie short story with Hercule Poirot

Richard Pearce

They should react to 10 Rillington Place starring Richard Attenborough and John Hurt from 1971 was a major reason

Richard Pearce

For a podcast covering the golden age of crime fiction 1920s to 1940s mostly Agatha Christie check out Shedunnit on Spotify BBC sounds etc

Der heilige Stuhl

Season 2 Episode 1 will be next...which is...in my opinion one of the best episodes of any TV show in history ever..you guys are in for a ride...oh and..Moriaty is played brilliantly in my opinion..a gay man playing a straight man playing a gay man ..loved that touch

Lessiarty

Umactually... Some people think that "the proof is in the pudding" is a misnomer of "putting," in the sense of putting something to the test; but that is incorrect. The original expression (c. 1605) was "The proof of the pudding is in the eating." But there's a couple of small tweaks in meaning here. "Proof" used to mean "test" rather than evidence, and we still use it in that sense in the word "proofread." "Pudding" is considered by some to be the most ambiguous word in the English language. What Americans today call "pudding" is what the British call "custard," but in a sort of reverse osmosis Brits now use "pudding" to mean "dessert" in general, not necessarily custard. BUT, originally (c. 1605) "pudding" meant "sausage," and Brits still sometimes refer to it as "pudding," even though it's far from being a dessert dish. The line from the Christmas carol, "Now bring us some figgy pudding" refers to a dessert, not sausages made of figs. Okay I'm done, you can wake up now.

Jamie

Are we ending here or going back after Sopranos?

Divinerights

GOD DAMN what a great show that was

ArcadeAndy

Have you guys seen Bennydenny Crundlebundle in Star Trek? If not, I hope you're getting to it because he cooks.

Jeff K.

They’re going back to Sherlock after this next batch of Sopranos.

Thall

Hanged is correct, because it is a different act from hanging something up. One being a mode of execution, one meaning to affix something.

DaveisCool

Now I just need to know what proof people are looking for in pudding!

Lone Desert Bones

One thing about this episode that always makes me giggle is the red dots that are clearly just laser pointers, but indicate quite possibly the shakiest snipers to ever hold a rifle. I just imagine a henchman who’s drunk fifteen cups of coffee just vibrating uncomfortably in his perch.

Warmachine1228

Btw, the voice of the documentary the Professor was scrolling through was Peter Davidson, who played Dr. Who after Tom Baker AND is father of the wife of Dr. Who, David Tennant

Belekai

When you started this series i wanted to say something based on how you found Sherlock, but decided against it. When you started talking in this episode, i felt i had a obligation to mention it. It is entirely possibly to live in a world where everything bores you. I know this because i have a similar and rare condition. I suffer with high functioning autism, specifically something called low latent inhibition. Essentially i cant discard useless information like a normal person. If you were to open a door and walk from one room to the next, chances are you would forget the action as soon as you did it. Sadly i cannot. I remember the door, what material it was made from, the smell, the colour, even the texture of the handle. Im sure it seems like this is a good thing, but honestly its incredibly debilitating. If you are above average intelligence, access to all that information usually results in creative genius, or savant syndrome. If you are below average intelligence its crippling. For people like myself of average intelligence, i can handle it, but only in small doses. I mention this because the latent inhibition applies to everything. It makes it hard to enjoy anything. Imagine watching a film, but someone keeps spoiling it for you, pointing out every mistake and controversy, thats what my brain does. You see the good and bad in everything, its impossible to enjoy anything. In probably the most ironic twist, its for this reason i watch and subscribe to reaction channels such as yourself. I do not have the capacity to experience and enjoy things like other people do, but i do get to experience things though your eyes. And for that reason i thank you :)

Jay Johnson

I got a kick out of Sherlock telling Martin Freeman that they were going to do some burglary, given Freeman's role as the burglar in The Hobbit (burglaring Smaug voiced by Benedict Cumberbatch)

Richard Pearce

The proof OF the pudding is in the eating

Jamie

Cheers

droodly

Hmm... so she was the Doctor's daughter who went on to play another Doctor's daughter and then married the Doctor.

Tay Schumaker

God Andrew Scott is so good. There was a little controversy when it came out for his portrayal, but I think most of that has fallen away now. He's so good

The Real Andrew Kim

George was so close to actually getting the Janus Cars sign.... reminder they like to say arse in the UK 😂 It was still funny with half the joke tho

The Real Andrew Kim

Also anyone else notice we jumped from Blackberries and Flip phones to smart phones this episode. They were filming this as the first iPhone released i think.

Tay Schumaker

Simone they for sure try to get you to at least, possibly, consider it was John. His appearance and his first lines, "This is a turn up. bet you never saw this coming," are, to me, meant to cast at least some doubt. Even for just a fraction of a second

Mike FromOz

That movie is brilliant and intense. Here in Australia it was the hanging of Ronald Ryan which saw the stopping of executions by the Government.

Eric Wilson

The earth around the sun thing is straight from the books. He said he didnt want to know it either and would try to forget after learning it because it didnt have any practical use for him then it goes into detail about how he knows hundreds of different tobaccos.

Nathan C Johnson

It's odd to me how we all see how rude and outright mean Sherlock is to everyone but whenever Sally responds with her own incivility its somehow surprising.

Jaaahn

hes very autistic, whats her excuse?

Corabal

Glad they didn't click that it was Andrew Scott playing Moriarty as he's much more famous now than when he surfaced in this, so it would have been more realisable. And yes Simone for a split second I thought Martin Freeman was Moriarty

Lessiarty

Simone, I was with the cheese for a full second. Moffat took many creative liberties with the original stories, so I did wonder for a moment if he was really going to take it that far.

Kev T

I really hate this version of Jim Moriarty. Andrew Scott is just so cringe and so far over the top that I can't do anything but just roll my eyes up at the sky.

Nathan C Johnson

Sherlock being autistic (autistic coded) might explain some behavior but doesn't mean people around him are obligated to ignore that behavior or invalidate other peoples feelings. Sally is an officer who has to deal with an arrogant insulting man who has no real business in police affairs except Lestrade keeps breaking rules and protocols to have Sherlock invade Sally and her colleagues workspaces and treat them all like idiots.

ArcadeAndy

People love a protagonist. Remember how everyone hated Skylar White and Chuck McGill even though Walter and Jimmy were truly horrible people? It's just the nature of storytelling... and always entertaining when show runners play around with this knowledge.

OddThomas

Bilbo and Smaug hunting a Golem, lol

Gee

Yes the old cliff-hanger leaving you wondering how they're going to stay alive. Was quite a 90's early 00's trope.

fforw

05:27 The walls are old European stone walls. You need something more cannon sized to get through them.

OddThomas

I was watching an interview with Mike Flanagan talking about 'Why re-do Carrie?' and his answer was that it's been done definitively one way so instead of staying 100% faithful to the book it makes more sense to put your own new spin on it, and that's a good way of looking at Moriarty here. You don't expect a younger man, you expect a suave Jared Harris-type to pop up and Andrew Scott very much puts his own spin on the character.

Lawrence Fair

Yeah the Star Trek reboot movies are fun if you ignore the silliness in the story. Which most Trek fans can do easily.

Lachlan Smith

full agree, hard to think of an individual episode of anything that rivals it

Hasse Lillesol

When I first saw the first season of Sherlock. I was a bit sceptical about Andrew Scott being Moriaty. But over the years I think his performance in this episode have solidified more in my brain than Jared Harris in the movie, so to me that is a good sign.

funky weapon

Skylar I'll give you but Chuck was a serious prick.

funky weapon

Hot Take: I don't really like Andrew Scott's Moriarty. and I'm not precious about Sherlock Holmes in the slightest. I don't even have a clear definition of what I think Moriarty should be. I just find his performance to be a little contrived. he's trying to come across as unstable and a little deranged but I don't find him convincing at all. also totally forgot about that cliffhanger. brutal that you guys need to wait what, three months? for the conclusion.

Richard Pearce

It's still available on iPlayer if you're in the UK

Funny That

One does have to wonder how the concept of stone/brick walls never manifested as a thought. I guess only sticking around for the first two pigs and then checking-out for the rest of the story will lead to that. (After all, Canada does have some brick buildings)?

Nathan C Johnson

I think that’s actually kind of my point. I’m not saying people shouldn’t dislike Sally or that we shouldn’t like Sherlock. I’m saying the disdain for her feels disproportionate when you consider that her hostility toward him is pretty understandable. The audience gets to enjoy Sherlock’s brilliance (except when the show just has him solve the mystery off camera). Sally has to deal with his arrogance and insults in her actual workplace, while her own boss accommodates him. I think there’s a difference between favoring a protagonist and treating a character who responds in kind as unreasonable.

Craig Bruce

A high-functioning sociopath meets a high-functioning psychopath.

Mike MacColin

Aren't you cursing yourself for putting the next Sopranos season between you and the conclusion of this cliffhanger?

SbE

If you're referring to the beginning of the episode where he says the guy is going to be hanged, that scene is set in Belarus, which does have capital punishment

Joe

The building across the street blew up, not Sherlock's.

Robert Carter

I agree. It is a very polarising portrayal I think. Actors should be free to try something different but it just doesn’t land for me like it does for others

Villa Lobos

Season 3 Episode 2 is a very close second IMO.

Joe

While light pollution drowns out a lot of the night sky in London, you can still see the brighter things with a good telescope.

REDR58

In my day we waited 3 months and we liked it! Uphill, both ways, in the snow!

james repka

I believe that the most recent place you would have seen Andrew Scott was in Wake Up Dead Man as Lee Scott, the popular SciFi author-turned unpopular right-wing writer whining about how his fans all looked like John Goodman from The Big Lebowski...

nj

would this be a good time to make a plug for fleabag?

AVATAR-X

They're only doing the first half of Sopranos S06A (for 6 weeks) so, Sherlock S02 should release on December 15th, if my math is correct.

Marcus Hicks

Don't feel bad, Simone. My mind very briefly went to the same place when I first saw this episode......right until I noticed the heavy coat Watson was wearing.

REDR58

Yeah I think that's pretty clear, as it's such an obviously notable phrase.

I🖤Kraken

You were not the only lonely cheese, Simone! I thought John was Moriarty, at first, too. It's a brilliant misdirect.

REDR58

He was also in "Spectre" and "1917" both watched here.

REDR58

The phrase "hired a car" always sounds strange to me as here in the US we "hire a person" and "rent a car." Simone, Julie (Alison Lintott, she was also in Guardians of the Galaxy) who speaks to Watson about the deceased Alex the security guard, who was found by the river, tells Watson that "We'd been sharing (the apartment/rooms) about a year. Just sharing." They were just roommates. Watson and Holmes could LEAP into the pool as Holmes fires at the explosives! The water would keep them safe from the explosion and any surviving sniper's bullets! Then they just need to hold their breaths until the snipers leave!

Mike FromOz

D'oh! You win again, Sherlock!

Helen Mucus

I absolutely hated Andrew Scott as Moriarty when I first saw this. The performance was way too goofy for me. However, as time went on, I enjoyed him more. I don't remember whether he toned it down or I just got used to him, but I really hated his introduction.

The Real Andrew Kim

Sherlock and Moriarty's relationship was also the inspiration for the Batman vs Joker dynamic. This show brought it full circle by making Moriarty way more Joker like in this adaptation which was probably inspired by The Dark Knight and Heath Ledger's Joker that came out only a year earlier before this series.

Der heilige Stuhl

Agree Season 3 Episode 2 is insanely good as well...but Season 2 /1 is in my opinion unmachted because of the 100 levels of brainfck it produces..also I can already see Georges head explode at one point in one scene ;)

REDR58

Well, the first 2 are good. The third... Yeesh.

SbE

Damn, don't go all Moriarty on us!:)

Drake

we had to wait 2-3 YEARS between the seasons ... they both became superstars so scheduling was hard

Mike FromOz

To be honest, him being a bit of a nut reminds me more of Count Jim "Thighs" Moriarty from the radio comedy sketch series, "The Goon Show".

ArcadeAndy

@funky weapon Chuck McGill is what Sherlock would be if he wasn't a protagonist. Brilliant in his field, pompous about it, seriously lacking in people skills, and constantly scheming to take down the criminal mastermind that no one else can stop. Yes, he's a prick... but not a villian.

Cc Decc

Well, still will never be in love with that choice for Moriarty, I rem these same writers did something similar to Dr. Who's The Master. Such a clever but trite group at the BBC at that time. 30 year old megalomaniacs are just not scary. Especially not when they do the "oh he won't shoot" thing and walk right up to your gun. Yes I would shoot, and the whole series would have been much shorter.

Ben G

About Cumberdink Bandersbatch's appearance: I put him in the long face category along with Adam Driver and Sara Jessica Parker.

Cc Decc

The problem I had with this introduction is that this is supposed to be the Big Bad of the Sherlock universe. Doing something different is potentially ok in a series which obviously was playing huge games with the Sherlock character himself. But no matter how you play the character, he has to maintain his omnipotent position in the universe in order for it to work. He's got to be brilliant and scary and mysterious and always always a step ahead. This first exposure was none of those things. Instead he's petulant, immature, and by all rights just got himself shot in the head to wrap up the series in only 3 episodes. IMO glib writers struggle to write true evil and so they resort to flippancy and antics. Fortunately the portrayal gets better in the future episodes and eventually we actually begin to feel a real threat.

Jayson Phillips

LMAO The Search for GOLEM!!! Starring Bilbo Baggins!

OddThomas

Cannot unsee this, lol

John

I'm glad George caught the "gay" comment, because I think Simone completely missed it. She initially looked confused when Molly got upset.

Jay Willis

Like some others have echoed below, I love this portrayal of Moriarty. Honestly it's what really got me into the show. I'm not a huge Sherlock fan, but I love this series.

Justin Leone

Now it's my headcanon that Moriarty hired his buddies Badger and Skinny Pete to each hold a handful of laser pointers.

Snuggelbum

Anyone else that thinks that Sherlock the series has either aged very very poorly or the rewatchability is really bad? This is my second time coming back to this series after originally watching it as it came out all those years back, and i have completely changed my mind about this show, going from very positive to negative.

Snuggelbum

being autistic is never an excuse for being a dickhead, unless you have such a severe form of it that you cant take care of yourself. People need to stop this bullshit of not holding people with some kind of mental challenges accountable. it makes them worse and their lives harder.

Snuggelbum

agree with that take funky weapon.

Snuggelbum

i agree also, but i think its actually the screenwriters/directors fault, and not so much his acting skills per-se. The screenwriters/directors of this show very clearly went for a certain feel and style of things, and i'd argue that it has aged very very poorly also. I remember being very intrigued and entertained by this show when it came out, but i have completely gone 180 degrees on that opinion today.

Ian Tellam

Well the first iphone launched in 2007 and this aired in 2010, I doubt there was that much of a gap in filming between the 2 episodes.

Ian Tellam

As an official British person, I have to correct you - there's no reverse osmosis going on. Pudding is a steamed cake-like dessert cooked in a casing (usually some sort of fabric) - hence the relationship with sausage, which also comes in a casing. See Christmas pudding (aka figgy pudding) or sticky toffee puddings as examples, these aren't puddings just because they're dessert it's because the way they are made makes them puddings, that they're cooked in a casing. The term used in this way predates the US as a nation and likely came about via plum pudding (kind of an early christmas pudding) which probably evolved from a meat based pudding via increased adding of sweet ingredients until the meat was left behind entirely by the 17th century. So these days there are sweet and savoury 'puddings'. The increased use of the word to refer to sweet puddings over the last few hundred years lead to it becoming synonymous with dessert (although this is quite regional) except for a few holdout sausages (most notably black pudding, but also local sausages such as hogs puddding or white pudding). Brits wouldn't call American 'pudding' custard either, as it's nothing like custard. The connection with what Americans call pudding comes via semolina pudding, a basic dessert found all over Europe and often flavoured with cocoa. Most modern American chocolate puddings would likely be sold as 'chocolate mousse' in the UK. So basically pudding is both a specific term for a kind of dessert, as well as being used in some cases as a generic term for dessert, and the American use of 'pudding' is derived from this latter usage with other desserts such as bread pudding and rice pudding also being found in parts of North America, so it's not just the chocolate kind.

Angela D. Mitchell

I adore Jared Harris's Moriarty. It's basically my main reason for liking the second RDJ Sherlock movie at all. Every second of that scene with Moriarty is so incredibly tense, fascinating, and beautifully acted -- and worth the price of admission alone. But I do think Andrew Scott is phenomenal here. It's a tour de force and the performance makes him so cold, scary, unbalanced, and wonderfully strange. (And Simone, it doesn't bother me that he's also Hot Priest -- the two are so incredibly different! So I can just sit back and enjoy the masterpiece here and still adore Hot Priest.) Meanwhile, as always with this show, I feel like the mystery feels very artificial and glued together, because so many little moments depend on Sherlock thinking up an answer in the very last literal second. Also, as a classical music snob, I was so irritated that they kept playing Holst's "Mars" in the planetarium during the LECTURE ABOUT JUPITER. Ugh. We do hear "Jupiter" briefly in the short clips that follow but it's just so sloppy of them to use "Mars" for that and no planetarium would do so. Or they could have simply made the lecture about Mars. It's just such a stupid mistake for a show that prides itself on how smart it is. There were a few tiny little nods to real Sherlock lore here, which is always nice -- the reference to the "five pips," Sherlock not keeping information in his brain that wasn't necessary (right out of one of the stories), But I continue to hate how cruelly Sherlock is written. It is utterly antithesis to the lore character of the books and stories. He is introverted and antisocial, yes, but he is also deeply caring. Making him a "sociopath" (which he isn't anyway) is just such a cheap shot to me. It will always bother me. Last but not least, yeah, Benedict Cumberbatch is an odd looking guy, but I love that. It's so much more interesting than boring male-model handsomeness. I think he's gorgeous, and he looks fantastic as Sherlock in this series -- the black curly hair, white skin, and piercing blue eyes? The camera loves him.