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We Were Soldiers - Patreon Version (Patreon)

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2022-09-18 12:00:05
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No Sync Required Version: https://cinebingers.ca/GmKhlKbLF5 - For Patreon tier "Bingers on The Wall" or higher.

Movie runtime: 2:18:30

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Jim Finley

When I retired from the Marine Corps, I started a second career as a psychotherapist - in my last job before I had to retire from that too, I worked in a jail diversion program for veterans (the court would mandate that they go to counseling instead of being locked up) and I worked with an Army vet who fought in this battle. He had been shot in the shoulder, which left him with lifelong pain and unable to use that arm very well. He said that when he was shot, he was lying prone between his two best friends, and they were both shot and killed right next to him. He was a small, quiet, melancholy old guy - he said he spent a lot of time sitting at his picnic table in his back yard smoking marijuana to help his physical and emotional pain, talking to his friends who had died. His son was going to buy it for him, and his main stressor in life was worrying about his son getting arrested. He felt guilty because his son was risking arrest for him. New Mexico had recently legalized medical marijuana, so my main therapeutic intervention was to give him the back page torn off the local free weekly paper - it had ads for a bunch of dispensaries where he could go, see a doctor and get approved for a medical marijuana card, and be able to buy it legally. Of course, I had to come up with something else for his treatment plan, because there was no way his insurance was going to pay for that. I only lasted a few months in that job, partly because of my own medical problems but even more because the vets' stories started triggering my own PTSD. With some of my guys, after every time I saw them I would have to close the door of my office and spend some time getting myself back together before I could talk to anyone else. My own therapist, who was a Vietnam vet himself, told me he thought that it was a really bad idea for me to work with that particular group of clients. I looked at him and said, "And you aren't doing the same thing?" I still think about that one guy sitting in his backyard talking to his ghosts.

JayF

This is a great tribute to the soldiers on both sides of that battle but it's a tough one to get through. The movie doesn't pull any punches on the cost of war. The lack of a funny YT thumbnail kind of says it all. Hope you both were able to take a bit of a break after watching this one.

Haye Zeus

Wow, ya’ll are really piling up these war movies

JediLounger

George, I am watching the reaction right now, and about an hour in you are asking about war movies from alternative view points. I do not know any for Vietnam off the top of my head(perhaps someone can list some), but Flags of our Fathers (2006) and Letters from Iwo Jima (2006) do this for the battle of Iwo Jima. Flags is the American story, Letters is the Japanese story. Another war film of note is the South Korean film Taegukgi, also known as The Brotherhood of War (2004). It’s been 15 years since I watched it, but I remember it doing a good job trying to show both viewpoints (North/South Korea).

Jeff I.
>>91860446

Downfall from 2004 is another good one from the perspective of Hitler and others in his bunker during the final days of the war. Some great acting in that one!

olly.enn

Bullets don't look like that during night time, but tracer rounds do (kinda). However I don't know if the Vietnamese did have or would use them like that... Also, those "tubes" with which they launch grenades are infantry mortars. Artillery are the "big bois", parked a few miles away.

JayF

Okay I finished the reaction and listened to your commentary at the end. George, I think the whole part with the Vietnamese soldier that led up to him getting shot by Moore was to further the effort to portray the Vietnamese soldiers as people instead of "the enemy" like most war movies do. So it wasn't there for that soldier to have a heroic moment but to remind us that those men also had families that mourned their loss.

Haye Zeus

And here I thought Black Hawk Down was heavy handed. The battles were good tho and I did like that the viet cong weren’t just an evil boogeymen that other movies have portrayed them. But at the end you can feel the over abundance of melodramatic propaganda which I don’t normally see when it comes to the depiction of the vietnam war. This is definitely a movie made directly after certain events. No cynical views allowed.

MisturSmith

"Broken Arrow" means that a ground unit is about to be completely overrun or destroyed, and to call in every available air unit for support. Its essentially a call for "we are completely fucked, throw everything we got at them"

Samuel Bruce

That reporter is Joe Galloway who would help write the book of the same name of the movie with Lt. Gen Moore. Joe was a pretty involved reporter during the Vietnam war, he's heavily involved in the Amazing Ken Burns documentary series on PBS covering the war. I believe he also received a bronze medal for that one scene he was carrying Jimmy from the mortar crew. He died recently last year.

AC10

YAY. Love this movie.

Young Blood Priest
>>91861058

It’s been a long time but as I remember every 4th round is a tracer and they’re suppose to help you adjust your fire at night. Problem is the enemy can see them too and can give away your position.

Persnickity

The lights you see when they are shooting at night are tracer rounds. Every 6th bullet (or some count similar) is lit up. That way you can better see where you are aiming at night

Logan Kerlee

Wow, that movie hit me hard. Such a great film. For the first 2/3s of the movie I didn't hear George or Simone but that's just because I was too wrapped up in the movie and didn't want to pause to adjust volumes. The final third though I had to take a break and fixed it all during that. All in all, amazing movie and great reactions! I wasn't expecting the movie to be this good.

Nate Terry

George's critique of the Vietnamese soldier with the bayonet, well, I saw a little differently. Most of Col. Moore's "interaction" with the enemy General was a play by play of the opening scene when the enemy General assaulted the French platoon. the bayonet was a repeat. I believe the point of the enemy soldier with glasses is to show what the enemy is doing based off what the opening scene was and how the enemy was victorious. But Col Moore is expecting all of that and is i suppose "hyper" aware of the enemy General's tactics. Also, Vietnam was the first military engagement USA had that had politics and the press way WAY involved in the war. Which is why Vietnam is considered so negative(contrasted to say...Korean war or WW2) and essentially what lead to it ending unfinished and tainted..in my opinion of course. All together though, this is one of my favorite Mel Gibson movies

michael denny

"Letters from Iwo Jima" is completely from Japanese perspective in ww2. Its much better than the American centerpiece "Flags of our Fathers."

michael denny

Also for some context on Vietnam. Ken Burns' documentary "The Vietnam War" is the best way to understand what happened and why.

Brendan Rafferty

Yes... the movie came out in 2002... but the scenes of preparation and heroism had nothing to do with America being at war again when the film came out. It was filmed in the Spring of 2001, when America was at peace and no one in hollywood had any idea we would be at war a year later

Brendan Rafferty

Weird Trivia: We Were Soldiers and Black Hawk Down were both in wide release at the same time in February 2002. Actor (and military advisor) Keni Thomas had a small role in this film, with only a couple of lines, as a sergeant. In real life, Keni Thomas was one of the Rangers who fought in Mogadishu in 1993. In the film, Black hawk Down, Ranger Keni Thomas is played by actor Tac Fizgerald. So... in February 2002, you could have gone to your local multiplex and watched Keni Thomas play a sergeant in combat in We Were Soldiers... and then you could sneak into the next door theater and watch Tac Fitzgerald playing Keni Thomas in combat in Black hawk Down

Brendan Rafferty

Military alphabet A, B, C, D Alpha, Bravo Charlie, Delta Charlie is just short for Viet Cong... V.C... Victor Charlie... shortened to GI slang... Charlie So... no... they did not change anything else called charlie because that would be like removing a letter from the alphabet

Daniel Popp

Yeah, the Vietnam War was an absolute cluster fuck of a war from day one. Terrible tactics and very bad policies based in racism and classism (when our country started the draft to send more troops to Vietnam, it was only for Americans not in college, which was typically poor Americans and people of color at that time). Not to mention the war was used for massive profits by private corporations who did a lot to keep the war going as long as possible. There was a point where North and South Vietnam were about to make peace, but Nixon convinced the South to hold off until he was elected President, then he would get them a better deal. He was elected, and the war lasted 6 more years.

Maddie

If you enjoy Mel Gibson and a war torn country I would recommend The Year of Living Dangerously! It also stars Sigourney Weaver!

REDR58
>>91925930

I doubt it will ever come up on here, but "Tora! Tora! Tora!" from 1970 is a unique film in that the American and Japanese elements of the movie were directed by people from each of those countries. It's almost documentary-like in some ways and can be a little slow-going, but it's a worthy inclusion in any war film buff's library.