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Troy - YouTube Version (Patreon)

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2023-03-12 12:00:02
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No Sync Required Version: https://cinebingers.ca/Vr5WooJKo9 - For Patreon tier "Bingers on The Wall" or higher.

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Troy | Canadian First Time Watching | Movie Reaction | Movie Review | Movie Commentary

Full length/Unedited: https://www.patreon.com/Cinebinge https://www.instagram.com/cinebingechannel/ Merch: https://www.cinebinge.ca BlueSky: https://bsky.app/profile/cinebinge.bsky.social Simone & George are reacting to Troy for the first time! Canadians React! 00:00 - Intro 01:26 - Troy 49:37 - Discussion Subscribe | Like | Share | Comment Early Access & Full Reaction available on Patreon! #moviereaction #moviereview #troy Instagram: @cinebingechannel Instagram: @simone.swan Movie Reactions: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLN1ts9cZbHakYDfILlxWOp8Rwm60i6s31 The Witcher Reactions: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLN1ts9cZbHakPpBOOSyThaEu9GBs7h5af Squid Games Reaction: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLN1ts9cZbHakSIA0kJIJkUmcxmms0m_Q0 Band of Brothers: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLN1ts9cZbHanBD7cksu-blgCyxZOJrgT0 Blind Playthrough: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLN1ts9cZbHan3qPNF7wNbOvo653VjhxOR

Comments

Mikael Brink Frederiksen

If you do decide to watch the Disney Hercules movie (which I recommend), I'll just beat George to the punch and say that it's funny that they use the Roman name for the main character, but the rest are the Greek versions :P (To be clear, I know that the name Hercules is more well known than Heracles, so I totally get why)

Saddleface

Have you ever watched Rome? It was an excellent HBO show.

Ken Schneyer

I wrote a long post about this film about a year ago, which I here paste for your pleasure: **************************************************. Troy (2004) is a guilty pleasure for me. It's fascinating because there's so much that's done well, right along side some really awful, even laughable choices. It's both a terrible and a wonderful movie, and watching it is like biting into an especially flavorful lemon: it stings, but you can't stop. (Tons of spoilers below.) . . . . . . . . . THE GOOD: (1) Delightful, scene-chewing performances by Sean Bean (Odysseus), Brian Cox (Agamemnon), Eric Bana (Hector), and Peter O'Toole (Priam), turning the whole thing Shakespearean. It's impossible not to fall in love with Hector, and not to want to strangle Agamemnon. (2) Julie Christie as Thetis. She has one (1) scene, but she manages to make you forget everything else in the film. She's not a demigoddess in this version, but she clearly has the Sight, although she never says so aloud and it's clear that her visions are imposed on her. Like everything else Christie has ever done on film, it's electrifying. (3) The balance between making the audience sympathize with the Trojans and the Greeks. You don't approve of either defending Paris's affair with Helen or of Agamemnon's thuggish greed for control of Troy, but you feel for the soldiers on both sides, and you want the war to end so that they can all go home to their families. War is not glorified; every death hurts. You can't decide whom to cheer for. (4) The (many) lines that actually come from the Iliad. Achilles's and Hector's dialogue before their last battle, including "There are no pacts between lions and men", sent a chill up my spine. (5) The theme of the human desire to be remembered, and its curious connection with glory in battle. The film begins with Sean Bean's beautiful voiceover, "Men are haunted by the vastness of Eternity..." and makes it clear (as does the Iliad) that Achilles is seeking never-ending fame, and why that matters. (6) The cinematography is beautiful, especially the scenes that take advantage of the landscape (or seascape). (7) Much of the fight choreography is fascinating, and while I don't for a moment believe Achilles's signature move (leaping into the air and driving his swordpoint down into his opponent's chest from above with his full weight), it's still fun to watch. . . THE AWFUL: (1) No Cassandra, no Hecuba. The female cast is reduced to three, of whom Briseis is the only interesting character. Helen just makes a bunch of stupid choices and regrets them, and Andromache just suffers. (Compare this to the way those two appear in The Trojan Women, and you'll get an idea at the missed opportunities.) (Yes, I also missed Clytemnestra and Iphigenia, not to mention Penelope, but I can understand how you'd think of those stories as too big to include in this one, which is already enormous.) (2) The stupid, cowardly, homophobic decision (a) to make Patroklos into Achilles's younger *cousin* and ward, FFS (can anyone say Dick Grayson?), instead of his lover and comrade-in-arms; and (2) to make Briseis into a love interest instead of a war prize. I call it a single decision, rather than two, because obviously they realized that romantic affection could be a great motivator for Achilles, but they didn't have the guts to give him the affection he had. Now, Rose Byrne takes the opportunity to make Briseis into someone genuinely interesting, a critical voice who rejects the entire warrior ethos, and I appreciate that, but there's so much dreck that's piled on top of it that it's almost lost. (3) Brad Pitt, especially his accent. I often like Pitt's work, and I actually understand what he was trying to do with Achilles, but it just doesn't work. You can't turn a pivotal figure in the redefinition of Hellenic "honor" into an existentialist contemporary man brooding on the morality of his life. And that wandering accent, OMFG; I mean, I know that literally everyone else in the cast was British, but this was Kevin Costner all over again. (4) Orlando Bloom's Paris. I mean, it isn't impossible to imagine Paris as a feckless pretty boy, but it's painful to watch. I suppose I should admit that Bloom makes me believe the character is sincere, but he is so selfish, silly, unrealistic, and ultimately cowardly, that I don't care about his sincerity. And he gets Cassandra's best line -- except that it isn't that actual line. (5) Too many unnecessary deviations from the Iliad with no payoff. The early deaths of Ajax and Menelaus are pointless, since it's already been established that Agamemnon would fight anyway and that the Greeks would lose without Achilles. (6) Hector's and Achilles's skepticism about the gods and their influence on war. I grudgingly admit that it functions as good character points, especially in the conflict it creates between Hector and Priam, but it's so post-Enlightenment (to the point where Hector literally speaks one of G. B. Shaw's lines from Saint Joan) as to make you cringe. (7) No ethnic realism whatsoever, not even a faint attempt at it, in the casting. I mention this last because it's typical of filmmaking of that era (and it was worse in earlier eras), but still, ouch. Anyway, I keep watching it.

BND

I don't quite see Paris as the villain, he's definitely a coward and misguided but he's not a malicious person. His actions caused these events to transpire but I don't think that necessarily makes him a villain.

Jeff K

Brad Pitt's performance in here basically has the same problem as Kevin Costner's in Robin Hood Prince of Thieves, and yeah, it almost entirely comes down to the accent. Both of them occasionally tried to do an accent, and gave up halfway through every scene, and it's just so jarring it's all you can focus on. And hey, another similarity between the two roles: they both showed their butts!

Jeff K
>>103885335

Diane Kruger is great. I've always enjoyed her in everything. I also think it's funny that when she was trying to get cast in Inglorious Basterds, Tarantino didn't want her initially because he wanted to cast an "actual German"... not realizing she actually was German. I'm still not entirely sure why, but I guess he must have been fooled by her accent in something.

JBK405

George, based on your comments I think you two watched the extended Director's Cut for this rewatch, which includes a bunch of extended and deleted scenes that weren't in the original theatrical release. That could be why you find it better than you remember, since this is one of the movies where the difference in quality between the two versions is really noticeable. Oftentimes a "director's cut" of a film might have an extra line or two, or some different sound editing, and the promotion just hypes it up to get people to buy the movie twice. Here they really tried to expand the story. I'll be honest that I'm one of the people that still doesn't find the Director's Cut to be GREAT, but I'd say it reaches up to "pretty good" (or even "really good") and is definitely an improvement.

8bitAndy
>>103885774

Kinda crazy that Homer figured out how to write morally ambiguous characters 2000 years ago, and yet Hollywood still can't get it right today.

redddfer44
>>103886446

Ridley Scott’s Kingdom of Heaven is also one of those films where the director’s cut is significantly better. Sergio Leone’s One Upon a Time in America might be the most egregious example, tho: not only did the studio cut out a LOT, they also wanted to arrange the non-chronological storytelling into chronological order.

Wrencher86

Ah, this movie. I liked it just fine when it came out. I get that it's not great but that fight scene between Pitt and Bana makes up for a lot. Also, through circumstance I ended up seeing this movie 3 or 4 times in the theater. Saw it with a friend, saw it with a group of different friends, then my GF wanted to see it and there might have been another time.

Adam Wetstein

Why other than to look at Brad and Jolie would you review this piece of trash

Ed Stephens

According to Bettany Hughes book Helen of Troy Goddess Princess Whore whoever was married to Helen was king of Sparta. The throne passed down the female line at the time. It is a good read if you're interested. Was Paris after Helen or her family fortune?

Jeff K
>>103909022

Jolie? Um... you know she's not in this movie, right? Are you thinking of Alexander for her?

Bill Campbell

Have you seen Oh Brother Where Art Thou? Homer is credited as a writer on that as well. And it is a great movie.

Happy Hanukkah

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underAtack

Since you reacted to this, you should consider checking out The Odyssey with Armand Assante; it was a made-for-TV movie/miniseries, which some may say affects its quality, but it manages to maintain the supernatural aspects (gods, monsters) of the tale without the divine beings in the story removing the characters' agency, which seems to be George's main hangup.

underAtack

And if you want a REALLY fun made-for-TV movie/miniseries to react to, The 10th Kingdom is my all-time favorite! Ed O'Neil, Diane Weist, John Larroquette, Warwick Davis, and so many other great actors came together to make it an amazing experience!

Roberto Abitua

I always HATED Paris in this movie, so, I didn't have the issues George did on his initial watch. Orlando Bloom or not, I wanted someone to stab him in the neck 😆😆

Luis Torrefranca

"Your name will be forgotten in history because it has TOO MANY SYLLABLES!"

Luis Torrefranca

Perhaps if we built a large wooden badger...

Happy Hanukkah

Brendan Gleeson sure loves him some beachfront invasions.

Ken Schneyer

I did enjoy this reaction, but I think George spends too much time talking about things that *aren't* in the movie. I'm a fan of the Iliad too, *and* the other versions of the myth, but they aren't here, and the lengthy comments on them distract from what is here. For example, the gods, while *mentioned* frequently in this film, play no visible *part* here. Certainly you could to a CLASH OF THE TITANS version where we see the gods' interactions and the "humans as pawns", but that isn't this movie -- indeed, one of the things that's great about this movie is the very clear motivations of the characters and how they lead to this disaster.

Chris Moon

I like that you mentioned David Benioff and his “interesting” writing choices. This used to be my favorite movie and I still love it but the ending makes no sense. Why would the Greeks “leave” if they still had Achilles? Having Achilles death as the climax was epic and cinematic but it ruins the logic of the story.

Chris Moon

Y’all should have watched the theatrical version IMO, in this one the score is all out of wack and there’s too many filler scenes

AC10

I think the Condom allows penetration of a wall that would otherwise be impenetrable.... 0_o