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Whiplash - Patreon Version (Patreon)

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2023-05-28 12:00:02
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No Sync Required Version: https://cinebingers.ca/ZbuFQt7Or1 - For Patreon tier "Bingers on The Wall" or higher.

Movie runtime: 1:46:45

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Whiplash - Patreon Version

Comments

Paul Peavler

Oh my god I’m so excited I’ve been waiting for this

JediLounger

Too bad Simone could not have done one of the scenes where JK Simmons is yelling. lol.

Young Blood Priest

I have definitely run into tyrants like this but the minute you put hands on someone like this in college you’re fired.

punterjoe

Yeah, Caravan is a jazz standard. Although considering how much improvisation/extrapolation & artists putting their own spin on a performance is such a staple of the genre, "jazz Standard" feels like an oxymoron. 😏

Young Blood Priest

I’ve had tyrannical instructors before but Simmons character is so over the top he’s his own worst enemy. He’s causing so much stress no one would ever thrive under him.

Young Blood Priest

This movie won Cannes? I’m tapping out this is just torture porn.

Odd Thomas

It was a good movie, but honestly I have no urge to watch it again. It's so stressful, lol

djKENTO

The ultimate sports movie with no sports.

JayF

JK Simmons is one of my favorite actors (please react to The Accountant!) so it's weird that I've just never gotten around to watching this movie. Looking forward to it.

PIG

LA Confidential and then Whiplash. I can't take this. It's just too good.

Paul Peavler

I mentioned it in my comment on the video, but I’ll put it here too in case anyone was wondering, yes the story is based on a true story and Fletcher is based on a real person. It’s based on the conductor and teacher that writer/director Damien Chazelle had as a drummer in a jazz band in high school. So basically, he was Andrew and his teacher was Fletcher. He talks about it in interviews and his thinking behind the movie.

ShadowStunts

Now you've gotta check out Sound of Metal. Imo probably the greatest film about music ever made.

redddfer44

I can relate to Andrew. My field was different and the professor was nowhere near that abusive, but he was abusive nonetheless. In public, he's seen as a wise old man. Among his students, he'd flirt with young women and go on incoherent rants about our academic discipline and pick on people for arbitrary reasons, but every now and then he found something to compliment. And man, those moments felt SO GOOD. The hypercritical angry old guy saying something constructive and nice... Sadly, he did instill a desire in some of us (me included) to do our best just to please the fucker.

redddfer44

Oh, and I've heard some jazz musicians comment on this movie. Some of them think it's so unbelievable that it's hard to really take anything about it seriously. Charlie Parker wasn't nearly decapitated (the cymbal fell at his feet), even the most sadistic conductors couldn't get away with Fletcherisms, and the amount of blood on the drumset is ridiculous. Maybe those sorts of artistic exaggerations are why it's much more tolerable to me than in a more realistic depiction. There's a sort of larger-than-life aspect to it that makes it watchable to someone like me who knows nothing about jazz drumming, but can relate to perfectionism, unrealistic dreams, romanticizing harmful myths, the dynamics of giving up and giving away too much etc.

Tay Schumaker

This movie creates so many great conversations. Is it worth it? Did Andrew really learn anything? Is he too far gone at the end? What is greatness worth?

JayF

Sooner or later you have to find some self respect. Nobody has the right to speak to you like that without you firing back. Fuck anyone that feels entitled to do so.

akaTheBARON

🖤Yeah... I'm debating even watching this after the huge spoiler Simone dropped in the beginning before the movie even started... #SpoilerAlert ... eh... I'll touch it out I guess LOLLL P to-the S ... Another absolute banger thumbnail!!! The thumbnails alone are worth the price of admission

Logan Kerlee

Mega enjoyed this reaction! I'm a huge fan of this movie. I'm so glad you both checked this out! The movie's very intense and emotional. JK Simmons did a fantastic job playing this role. Huge props for him. Miles Teller did a great job as well. I disagree with your takes on how it ended, I like how it all wound up. I don't think that the point of the movie was to show that Andrew's better than Fletcher. Yeah, I think you're after blood George! xD I'm thinking that this isn't supposed to be happy ending type of movie. I'm thinking we're supposed to think/feel how difficult it all is while recognizing Andrew's growth through pain.

Logan Kerlee
>>109479759

xD Wow! I really enjoyed this movie. I've watched this a number of times. While this isn't a movie that I'd put on when I'm wanting to just chill out and relax - I'd still watch this when I'm wanting to watch something with music while also being touched emotionally.

Śéáń

Malteasers/Minstrels in popcorn is one of the best cinema treats

Robert da Spruce

Man! J.K. Simmons was so good in this! So good, that you actually feel a little traumatized just watching the movie! 😂 Personally, I liked the ending. For me, it’s not about Fletcher. There’s always gonna be “Fletchers” in this world. It’s about Andrew. The moment he decided to go back on stage after being humiliated. He overcame all the abuse that Fletcher inflicted on him. I feel like he truly knew in his heart that he would move beyond Fletcher. And had what it takes it to be truly great. And that’s what I think about watching this movie. What it takes to be truly great at something. The dedication, the obsession, overcoming all the people that doubt you and tell you you will never succeed. Even sacrificing your personal relationships in order to obtain your goal. The single minded drive it takes. Is it worth it? It makes one think. Nice reaction guys!

St. Amb

Don't take me wrong pushing too far is bad and wrong but this movie toys with the idea of... is it? If that's what it takes to bring out true greatness does the end justify the means? Each of us answers that question for ourselves.

Cubonemaker

YEAAAAAAAAAAS my prayers have been answered hahaha

Win

I enjoyed the movie the first time I saw it, and I see it with the perspective of being a musician who has studied jazz at a university. Overall the movie showcases the meaning its trying to get across very well despite not being entirely realistic. I do know of musicians (one of them being my brother) who had being berated and emotionally abused by a leader of a group, several times he would force his players to walk up a steep hill everyday if they had made any mistakes in the band, not for a jazz band, but for a pop/rnb/disco cover band that would play for money at weddings and gig regularly. Buddy Rich, the drummer who Andrew idolizes, was known for being intense and abusive to his group, there are relatively well known audio recordings of him yelling and berating his players, acting out similar to Fletcher. In my experience, there were times when a teacher would be strict, and if for example someone turned up late, the teachers wouldnt let that person go off so easily, but it never got to the extreme like it did with Fletcher. Also generally speaking, Buddy Rich was/is not a huge influence on jazz drumming, he was known for being a showman and was a celebrity, but not considered "groundbreaking" or influential. Most jazz drummers probably wouldnt list Buddy Rich as a huge influence, I get the feeling they chose Buddy Rich because its someone people know of, he has celebrity, and is also a mirror of Fletcher himself, so in that sense it was a good choice. I like that this movie exists because its one of the few places I get to see Jazz out in the public eye, albeit in a less realistic way.

Viktor M

It was hard to see your reaction to the film, especially the teacher. It's sad that people these days think of suing as soon as someone demands the best of them. And you have a habit of seeing the characters a bit too one dimensional, probably as a result of the superhero movies of the moment. The teacher isn't just bad because he takes his students hard. he searches for perfection and knows how to find it and he stands by his principles. You always ask why no one is sue him and stuff like that and the reason is that people want to work with the best and take the treatment to become the best. We have a saying in Germany: "Nothing of value is free". People who only complain never achieve anything, sacrifices are part of success. Everyone is complaining about the youth of today that they are lazy and always just on the phone (at least in Europe), but as soon as someone shows up and try to push the people to do their best everyone is screeming sue him. For me the teacher is 100% right and it is sad that you two dont see that. I for myself hab such teachers in school and i did learn more from them then from anyone else. I did hate then back then but now i see what they wanted and I appreciate that.

Generators
>>109592108

i mean i think its the physically slapping a student in the face.. and throwing heavy musical instruments at people... thats not a teacher trying to get perfection, that is just physical assault...

Ghostwriter

The teacher in this movie sort of reminds me of Captain Sobel in Band of Brothers. Yeah, sometimes pushing people really hard can bring out their best. But often Fletcher, like Sobel, was just being a jerk.

Cliché Guevara

This movie felt like David Lynch directing Fame, from a script by the Coen Brothers.

Joanthan Skidmore

Fun Fact: This film has some truly great actors.. and not 1 of them is in The Worlds Fastest Indian.. BUT The Worlds Fastest Indian does have Anthony Hopkins.. which some would say is better :)

W T
>>109491136

Also, there is a very much literal shitton of people who are like that - and more. It's like people forgot all about abusive celebrities, Polanski getting support by your favorite celebrities (don't look up the letters unless you want your childhood heroes vouching for a freaking knob), Chris Brown still being in the business and getting way too much attention for someone who deserves prison twice over... yeah, in many ways, even this dramatization is so hilariously under powered (and I don't think it was nearly as bad for Damien afair), because, as always, the reality is so, so much worse. Even holocaust depictions, to evoke Godwin's law once more, are often tamer than the actuality of all the travesties we got to witness over the centuries. Thirty Years' War, anyone? It is over the top, sure, but man... these people are everywhere, in academia or otherwise. I think most of us felt some form of this weird abusive codependence, wanting to please a would-be mentor to some degree. And don't get me started on willingness, the degree to which some folks abuse themselves for the sake of perfection is crazy in itself and comes in all shapes and forms, often accompanied by severe drug abuse, of course. Even college can do that to you, tons of people who risk it all because they have to drive to school or uni after a hard night of learning. Pressure to perform is immense across the board, arguably a huge part of modern human existence... at least for some of us. I mean, fuck that shit, but it's definitely an intriguing take on life along the lines of "why not go hard if life's that short". Some sort of creative existentialism.

W T
>>109499516

Being a musician myself and knowing too many of them: yeah, there is stylization going on, but believe me, there are infinitely worse people out there with both more and less subtle methods. From wife beaters to slow-cook torturers tapping into your mind to pick you apart, there's just about something for every taste out there. And dang, fluids definitely are a part of it sometimes, believe me. I mean, guys, I need two hands to count the times I've both suffered spontaneous and not-so spontaneous blood eruptions from my lovely nose, and I'm not even that clumsy of a person. Which highly coordinated drummers can still be, mind you. Over the top it is, but it's barely far from the truth and tales of artists demolishing their selves trying to capture a glimpse of what they could be is pretty much the hugest trope at this point. Oh, great segue into one of my favorite Pixar flicks. Soul didn't exactly wow audiences in comparison to the usual titles, but it really picked at this particular topic from an interesting angle. Don't really want to try and spoil it, but I like it a lot contrasting Whiplash - which is easily one of my favorite films of all time. The editing alone just makes it, everything else somehow ended up just being the icing on the cake.