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Oppenheimer - Patreon Version (Patreon)

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2023-11-30 13:00:04
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No Sync Required Version: https://cinebingers.ca/IXYADOXvg5 - For Patreon tier "Bingers on The Wall" or higher.

Movie runtime: 3:00:22

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Oppenheimer - Patreon Version

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Kasa

Ayo?

Martin Roca

Talking about Winston Churchill, you can check Darkest Hour, it's about his role in WW2.

W T

Nice, neat movie, guess I've got my afternoon plans in order then Kill-eeyann is how his name is pronounced, by the way. Infamously throws off people all the time, just have to remember that his name is even cooler than you thought it was.* *paraphrased as per some post I read a while ago And also, if that was ever a criterion for shunning people who didn't spend their time on somewhat niche topics... yeah, nobody knows jack about any of this. 99.9% of this movie's audience don't have the faintest idea about the physics, the history, the anecdotes or the politics of the time/s; and let's face it, it's always the insecure pricks putting down someone for not knowing arbitrary info. Different ordeal if someone just keeps pretending like they know everything, I feel like it's much easier to back someone off who keeps bullshitting their way through these things as if they even knew the first thing about it. Not knowing century-old physics and the pop-cultural references they remain embedded in? Nah, no worries. Never mind how basically all the so-called "common knowledge" and tidbits and fun facts we still pass around today have been debunked as either blatantly wrong or very limited in scope, such that one might as well consider them wrong. Point being: even the smartest people have some gaping vacuums in their heads. "there is no need to be upset" or something

Martin

Nice. I knew you guys would do this one as soon as it became available.

W T
>>123382938

And while we're at it: rhyming. Look for rhyming in all things language. Determining ancient Chinese phonology, making sense of "secret", pig latin-like languages, tons of very old names, nicknames, or just lexemes in general... there's a good chance you can make headway by trying to figure out what rhymes with it. In Richard is Rick (not that far off) and Rick rhymes with Dick. Not that it is the only one either. William, Will, Bill is another famous one. You got so many avenues for names turning into something completely different. Calques, like direct loans from other languages, often turned into one-another or were kept. Indonesian-Dutch, every single language ever vis-à-vis English (check out Daisy vs. Marguerite/Margerete/Margarete)... half of them are just really, really dumb ways of mocking someone else's given name. Seriously, try it out with your friends' names; chances are, someone came up with a name that stuck because it sounded very similar - this is where I recommend Black Dynamite after this short diatribe, you'll thank me later. Really, such a great tribute to Blaxploitation. There, if you ever want to justify being mean to someone: "I did it for lexical diversity's sake"

Logan Nelson

Have you guys ever considered, after watching certain movies, including a reaction to something like a "Heavy Spoilers" breakdown of the movie. Maybe for patreon only? Could be interesting to hear your thoughts on all the little details you (the royal you) generally miss on a first viewing.

FrancescoTakesItEasy

Noooo! My 4K disc has to cross the Atlantic first and isn't here yet. Next week then.

Astraeos
>>123382753

Great movie. Also look up a video on Youtube behind the scenes of Gary Oldman dancing as Churchill. Its a great little video.

Martin Roca

About Jean, i always thought the hand was a representation that she has no escape, not an actual murder, but honestly i don't know, is what i thought when i saw the movie.

Elder Lyons
>>123384309

im trying to imagine how that would work cause those videos are like heavy info dumps, and unlike movies/shows where theres quiet/silent/music scenes to talk over, those videos would just be them sitting silently for the duration going "uh huh, uh huh" lol

Rasmus Larsen

Bohr mentions meeting with Heisenberg in Copenhagen. There is a GREAT movie fictionalizing that meeting, based on a play, starring Stephen Rea and Daniel Craig. It's not really something to react to, but I recommend watching it if it sounds interesting. It's called "Copenhagen" and is from 2002.

Daniel Popp

The scene with them discussing where to bomb is so powerful. The matter of fact approach to what they're dealing with, what the results of dropping the bombs will be, etc. is just brilliant. I do wish they'd mentioned Japans offer of a ceasefire. So many people say Japan was going to surrender before the bombs were dropped, but that was simply not true. Japan had offered a conditional cease fire, which would've allowed them to keep their military and their conquered territories. Only fools would've agreed to such a thing, since allowing Japan to keep such things would've lead to another, even worse war down the road. We needed an unconditional surrender, and the bombs were the only way to achieve that. Without a conventional invasion that would've killed at least one million US troops and God only knows how many millions of Japanese people.

Samuel Bruce

Looking forward to another rewatch tonight!

Christopher Feiertag

I‘d love to see the both of you react to another film of Gary Oldman. My favorite political/conspiracy-thriller of all time: Oliver Stone‘s „JFK“. (You are welcomed to guess the subject matter 😁)

Logan Kerlee

lmao, don't feel bad Simone! Many people don't know these things. hahahaha, it's true Simone! We're a lot nicer to you. What the hell? What was that pushup from? hahaha, I'm drawing a blank. The intro to this movie is so damn great. The casting of Robert Downey Jr. is so well done in this! This movie is deep but it's also very accessible for viewers, I feel. It doesn't go over the top with intellectualism. I love it! I LOVE space science. It's so interesting to read and to study! xD You aren't alone in that George. So many others feel that way. Know that as a Patreon sub, George that I understand the silence. I expected it. If you were busy talking during all of this I'd of stopped watching and possibly unaubbed from Patreon. I appreciate your silence with movies like this! Well, as long as this silence leads to more talk later on after everything's complete. Have either of you watched Lawrence of Arabia? It's a VERY important film that I feel everyone must watch at least once. I'm requesting that you both watch it together on here. It is a LONG film that runs for a staggering three hours and forty seven minutes. It basically adds another 30 and a tiny bit to this. If you felt this was too long (I didn't get that vibe) then it isn't the movie for you. THOUGH!! There is an intermission during Lawrence of Arabia! It's something that modern movies no longer include - but yeah, way back when. they included an intermission during LONG films. I'm just over here hoping that you both will consider giving it a watch and throwing it on a poll. :) War is disgusting and terrifying, for everyone. The civilians, the politicians, the scientists and the soldiers. Everyone is affected by it all. Holy crap, you two. I really enjoyed watching this with you both. While you may not have talked a lot during I completely understand the reason why. I'd be put off if you guys just spoke without reason during many of the scenes in the film. This isn't a movie to watch while being distracted. It deserves attention.

djKENTO

For the first time in YEARS the digital version of the film and the physical copy were released on the same day. One of Nolan’s demands after Tenet was straight to streaming. Most studios will put the digital version up the day they start printing copies. Factories are the first place the piracy starts so to mitigate that they started releasing movies on VOD that day.

ChickensAreRacist

This will be Best Picture and he will win Best Actor. Thank you two for reacting to this amazing movie. Edit: Your reactions were among my favorites of yours. This is a movie that gets better with further viewings, despite how good it is on the first.

djKENTO

The aspect ratio changes are technical. It’s changing format to imax like George suspected. They’d have shot even more on imax if the cameras weren’t too loud for the quieter dialog scenes. Nolan hates redubbing if he can avoid it.

Terry Yelmene

"God. I've never been so aroused by physics." ~ George (maybe the shortest, yet best synopsis of this movie) "I never want to be that close to a thing like that." ~ Simonne (not bad either... a certainly more reasonable - especially when she covered her eyes - at the horrors of the gym scene) Brilliant Commentary... but, by the end... George says "Okay" and "I... I... don't know" was all Simonne could get out. I say this was a pretty damn good reaction!

Odd Thomas

You still need to watch Memento and Insomnia by Nolan

Lola Lirola

Tigger Warning Weird detail that made me connect to this movie: Oppenheimer's daughter, Katherine, wanted to be a translator for the United Nations (like I am today), but was rejected because of her father's issues with security clearance. She ended her own life shortly after.

Lola Lirola
>>123414683

By contrast, I kind of love that his son is just a hermit that works as a carpenter, and has no interest in talking to anybody: just creating things instead of destroying them, using natural materials.

Lola Lirola

Los Alamos today is basically like Chernobyl: the radioactivity from the nuclear testing is still there, even if they officially classify it as "low level". It opens to tourists twice a year, with the indication that you can't stay more than 15 minutes (I think it's 15), you have to stay on the designated paths, and you can't touch anything. They show it in the movie as empty land, but it wasn't: Native Pueblo people were given 48 hours to evacuate, no economic compensation, and their houses were bulldozed to build the research town on top. Some of the land was sacred to the Tewa people. Some of them ended up employed by the lab to work in building the mechanical parts of the bomb. Those who lived downwind from the explosions experienced mutations and cancers, but got no government help. They formed a group called Downwinders to fight for their healthcare needs.

REDR58
>>123410123

It’s a shame that making the whole thing in IMAX is tedious for various reasons. I really dislike the aspect ratio changes in a movie. I prefer to have a film shot all one way or the other. This is not unusual for Nolan. He did it with the Dark Knight and other movies.

REDR58
>>123403363

I ordered the physical 4K Blu-ray and it comes with the digital version. The first time I ordered the disk it was backordered for several weeks till the end of December ultimately. I was able to find another source and get my copy on Friday, December 1, hopefully.

JokerDanny

Just for future reference Cillian Murphy is pronounced Killian, I too use to pronounce it the way you guys did but he himself has said in interviews it's pronounced as Killian but with a C.

REDR58
>>123399097

Gary Oldman in Bram Stoker’s Dracula is also a highlight that should not be missed.

W T

About the possibility of the atmosphere igniting: there was no possibility, really, at all, and that's what MP-folks concluded themselves... this is a bit more on the drama side, as you'd expect. The entire perception of them gambling with humanity is owed to some creative retelling of this anecdote in an American Weekly feature or some publication, eventually leading to yet another popular misconception we're barely straightening out decades later; not that (decades after WWII) the people involved weren't trying to set the record straight themselves: Hans Bethe wrote a short bit about how probabilities were never even up for debate or discussed. If it was, we're talking about spontaneous phenomena assembling by sheer chance, like guessing a dropbox file link or something to that effect or a Boltzmann Brain forming with Earth at its core - and relating those chances to human experience or how it might impact us is a bit pointless to begin with. "incredibly impossible" is just a way of stating that mathematicians, physicists - scientists everywhere are simply very reluctant of blatantly ignoring data, of which we had none up to this point. There's always something to miss, and I supposed dealing with explosives is a different ordeal than, say, entering the Bronze Age or going for a bit of explosive fun with gunpowder... but again, that's a bit like not trusting modern encryption algos. You could always take a stab at certain keys, but you're not going to guess them regardless. While we're at fun atmosphere catastrophes: did you know that not friction, but compression of the air in front of the meteor is responsible for the heating up of either? It's not friction so much as it is air molecules getting squished down to a smaller volume, and thus we get adiabatic compression causing meteor and the air with the tight air heating up. Still not capable of incinerating the atmosphere, by the way, short of its composition changing to something much more volatile, this is not going to be happening any time soon.

REDR58

“FAECT” so close to “FACET.” How tedious they couldn’t quite get it. 😄

ChickensAreRacist

I apologize for commenting so much. But isn’t it nice to see Nolan continue to grow his talent? It’s exciting.

Paul Davey

Nolan stated the differential between b&w and colour was b&w is objective, colour subjective.

Jesus F Christ

A great follow-up to this would be Fat Man and Little Boy (1989). It stars Paul Newman as Gen. Groves and Dwight Shultz (Barkley from TNG, Simone!) as Oppenheimer. It's more specifically about making "the gadget" and fills in a lot of gaps that were left out of this movie. Its also got a harrowing performance by John Cusack, and Dr. Cox from Scrubs. "Fat Man" and "Little Boy" were the code names for the bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Another good follow-up would be The Right Stuff (1983) to show what the German scientists were up to after WWII.

Odd Thomas

Another great Cillian Murphy movie involving fusion: Sunshine (2007)

JokerDanny

I watched this movie 4 times at the cinema and bought the book American Prometheus (which the movie is based on. Fantastic insane true movie.

Christoph Plank

As an Austrian, I feel the duty to mention Lise Meitner. She and Otto Hahn discovered radioactive isotopes and she's the one who figured out how to split the atom, which Hahn and Straßmann proved experimentially, yet only the two men where mentioned (which I took as a comment on sexism from Nolan). She was only the second women who graduated in physics at the Vienna University by 1906. Lise was a jewish woman with her own interesting story after she wasn't allowed to work in germany anymore. Vienna used to be an incredible hub for science and art. We lost so much on that front as well as...well, any other front after the 30s and 40s.

REDR58
>>123424661

I don’t have a problem with the blqck/white and color changing but the aspect ratio changing is very distracting. It’s even in the middle of a same scene a number of times.

REDR58
>>123427451

I have always wanted to assemble a playlist of all the movies/miniseries I have or enjoy that are set during World War II and watch them all back to back in as close to chronological order is as possible.

Philipp Roensch

For me what the two strong themes in the movie, and you caught them as well, is first the egos fighting and two men struggling and realizing how insignificant they could be - despite their accomplishments. And second, how much one well accomplished task could change the world, beyond what they thought. I'm also glad Nolan decided to include this polit-thriller into the biography, even if it makes the film more dense, we get a lot of context for the question, whether Oppenheimer was a martyr, decent person or flawed and human.

Travis

I didn’t hear you guys make this connection at the end but I’m pretty sure that the black vs color was depicting factual events vs dramatized events rather than past vs present, which I thought was a very unique way to portray that.

Jacob King
>>123452884

From what I’ve read it’s the black and white viewpoint of Strauss (RDJ) versus the full spectrum view of Oppenheimer. Politicians view the world in absolutes while scientists have to be open to nuance. I like this framing because neither version is entirely objective.

DinChild

Robert Downy Jr. played so many incredible, and far more interesting, characters than Tony Stark. Marvel is popular, but popular doesn't always = quality. I did enjoy Iron Man, to be clear.

p0sthum4n

I've been really wanting to recommend you guys one of my favorite films, one I think you'll both really enjoy — Ridley Scott's followup to Gladiator, 2005's Kingdom of Heaven. It is a beautiful, thoughtfully shot, almost painterly film with a charming soundtrack and extremely talented cast. Simone may recognize one of the side characters from Star Trek though I don't remember if she's into DS9 or not. If you guys are interested, it is ✨absolutely critical✨ you go with the Director's Cut, not the theatrical version, which cuts out an important subplot and is a significantly lesser film for it. In fact, the roadshow version on Amazon Prime includes both an overture AND an intermission ;)

Jacob King

“Break a leg” comes from London theatre culture were the absolute worst most cursed unlucky thing you could do to a performer would be to wish them good luck so you say the opposite

Fathervon

Correct me if i'm wrong. But there was a fault in either editing or a tech issue between 01:37:15 - 01:38:36. Where the recording and the movie were not synchronized. Noticed that from the dull reaction to the explosion lol. 

Jacob King

Tough reaction. There’s so much going on in this movie it would have been surprising if you’d had a lot to say. One of the things that really struck me the first time I watched it was Kitty confronting him after Jean’s suicide. She has the same accusation as Strauss, that he has done the wrong thing it ended badly and now he wants people to feel sorry for him. Watching it again with that in mind, Nolan really does build up that pattern of Oppenheimer as a thoughtless, destructive, force creating all these problems because he doesn’t need to be aware of other people. The apple! Truman saying Hiroshima wasn’t about you, is another powerful moment largely because Truman was also an egomaniac who also had no thought for other people. It’s a very interesting use of the biopic genre, it hits every important beat including the triumphant ending but as the audience we’re just left with existential dread.

WayneC

Neils Bohr was flown from Sweden in a Mosquito bomber - a 2 seat (pilot and navigator) 2 engine bomber - in the bomb bay, the roof of which was made up of fuel cells. The Mosquito used was in the colours of the airline BOAC, not the RAF, since Sweden was neutral. The flight to England was mostly at low level. But they had to cross occupied Norway, so had to climb to high altitude. The flying helmet was too small for Bohr, so he didn't wear it. This meant that he did not hear the instruction to use the oxygen when they climbed to high altitude. If they had to extend the time at that altitude he would have died.

samuel Jakob

Such a great movie, im only sad about the fact they didnt include oppenheimers original interview bit, I was hopeing for it till the end and it seems like such an important thing, but well, great reaction, great movie.

WayneC

Another film about a scientist/mathematician that contributed greatly to victory in WW2 but was treated badly by his society after the war is "The Imitation Game", starring Benedict Cumberbatch. It is about Alan Turing and his contribution to breaking the German Enigma code.

Guillermo Antonio Ricci Alvarez

Not sure if others have mentioned it but Downey Jr and his wife have a production company and they are part of the Oppenheimer producers

Odd Thomas

A big RDJ movie you haven't seen yet (and perfect for xmas!) is Kiss Kiss Bang Bang

King_Panarisi

When they were bragging about him speaking dutch while he was clearly speaking german was that a movie mistake or am i missing something?

REDR58

Anyone interested in a documentary with excellent footage of real atomic tests, on land, air and in space, check out “Trinity and Beyond: The Atomic Bond Movie” from 1995 directed by Peter Kuran and narrated by William Shatner.

DinChild

Fun fact: the use of black-and-white to denote the future was also used by Breaking Bad during season 2's cold opens.

Ricardo Alanis

Someone may have already mentioned this but the aspect ratio changes do have to do with IMAX film. The frames are “taller” than the 2.35:1 ones that most scenes use. Going back to The Dark Knight he used IMAX for the bigger set pieces so essentially the more visually stunning sections will be in that IMAX ratio.

ChickensAreRacist

‘Your reproductive system is more exposed than mine. Presumably.’ What a great burn haha

Marko T.

Fitting intro. Robert Pattinson is actually big reason why this movie got made. He gifted Nolan a book about Oppenheimer after making Tenet.

Skyruff

Even today there are so many complex concepts of the project even the town name is wrong. Los Alamos is an unincorporated town that existed and grew near the base. The base had both several names and none including trinity which is on the overall base lands. Today the whole area is a national park but security is still high and is only open to the public on a very limited bases.

AgentFalcon

Loved your reaction. Watched along with my own first viewing. I was a bit hesitant on Nolan being able to keep this interesting for 3hrs, but it was suprisingly captivating all the way through. An interesting follow up to this movie would be "Thirteen Days" (2000) about the cuban missile crisis. Basically continues the story in regards to US vs Russia, nuclear bombs and JFK, who got the shoutout at the end.

SnabbKassa
>>123531603

Movies with Mary has reacted to this and her first language is Dutch. She confirmed it was Dutch, but we are shown that Oppenheimer would have learned German first, while in Göttingen, so it's Dutch with a German accent.

BangDroid
>>123415684

Los Alamos National Laboratory (TA-55) is where the majority of the US plutonium work is conducted, still to this day. From research to disposal, forensics and counter-terrorism. It's very active, and the highest security.

BangDroid

Being intellectual isn't celebrated anymore because intelligent people understand that the common is more important than the individual, it is the best way to improve society as a whole. I would read Albert Einstein's paper titled: Why Socialism. Socialism and communism aren't the same thing, too many people conflate them. Conservatives are at best selfish and at worst psychotic. McCarthyism ideology is still alive and well amongst the right and the rich and powerful know this so they choose their enemies. Take Elon Musk, he used to be openly quite left leaning and was embraced by the left, but he - like other billionaires - came to realize that it's not just economically safe to side with conservatives, it's socially and even physically safer. Media companies and all the major social influences like churches and other institutions, if they're not conservative leaning in philosophy they definitely pander to it. We have a dumbing down of people in the west to attenuate free thinking. Even education systems are moving towards teaching what to think, as opposed to teaching how to think. And again it all comes back to billionaires owning everything and that an intelligent population is harder to control.

JoeySnowyNoey
>>127382514

Agree 100% brother!! I feel like as the human race we should strive to move away from idolizing people and figures for bullshit reasons like wealth, or intelligence. I think it's fine to be fans of someone! But conservatives want people to do this. They want people to blindly follow leaders and not think critically. We should strive to be a collective, work together, love more, be more empathic, because one single person will never be as smart as we can be working together.

Brad Lowry

I am so looking forward to this becoming free tomorrow (2/16/24) so I can watch the reactions of the two of you. Another Manhattan Project film that you two, in particular, might be interested in checking out is "Fat Man and Little Boy". The main plot surrounds a composite of a Canadian Physicist, Louis Slotin, at Los Alamos! Much of the timeline and some of the facts are sacrificed in service to the story, but a good story nonetheless with good acting by a cast led by John Cusak, Laura Dern and Paul Newman. I love the accuracy of Oppenheimer so much more, but that doesn't mean FM & LB is not worth your time.

Thoko

I was a child actor and I remember being told that the reason we say "break a leg" is because artists (e.g. actors) are superstitious and that means that if you say "good luck" or anything along those lines, you will cause the opposite to occur (bad luck) by "jinxing" them. I'm not sure if people still use the word "jinx" in 2024 lol. I haven't had a reason to use it for a while now. So basically "break a leg" just means "good luck" but using reverse -psychology to trick the universe into making your show a success instead of breaking your leg

Amelie W
>>130020546

Originally it was a pun you'd use when an actor is trying to get "cast," but probably the rest of your story is true.