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Amadeus - Patreon Version (Theatrical) (Patreon)

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No Sync Required Version: https://cinebingers.ca/gDmtcepoh3 - For Patreon tier "Bingers on The Wall" or higher.

Movie runtime: 2:40:01

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Amadeus - Patreon Version

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Jon

oh yeah !... one of the best film ever :).... you did awesome movies like "12 angry men", "Amadeus"... now you MUST do "Bram Stocker's Dracula" and "Awakenings"... even "Meet Joe Black"... those are must watch ! :)

Hernani

Oh no you did the theatrical, it's not available anywhere where i live

Hammy

I'm in the US, can't find the theatrical cut available anywhere to stream.

Hans Olav Sletnes

Milos Foreman made some great movies. Some reccomendations off the top of my head: One Flew Over The Cuckoos Nest, Man On The Moon and Larry Flynt.

Rob Parry

Where did you find the theatrical version? The director's cut is the only one I see available in the US.

Elder Lyons
>>129332936

yeah the lose-lose situation for them, no matter what version they do, there will be some segment of people who cant access that version. luckily torrents are global.

HUGO TORRES

Man how did u even find the theatrical cut its not available anywhere here in the U.S. its like 20 minutes shorter than the directors cut

Actuarial Lurker

A brilliant movie- but plays loose with the facts a bit- still one of the best movies ever

simon brouillard

That’s awesome. Another great movie from Foreman is One flew over the cuckoo’s nest (they did a full simpsons episode parodying it 🙂)

Jon

Just a precision, for those who don't know : the movie was NOT meant to be a biopic of Mozart... this is based on a play, it's a story, … so, if many things are more or less accurate, the general plot is totally made up Now, Salieri has a bad reputation because some people took it as History, literally............... but as far as we know, Salieri was a good man, appreciate :) And also, among Liszt, Beethoven, Schubert and other, Salieri had Mozart jr as a student... so, he must have been a good collegue, or at least someone appreciate by the Mozarts

Odd Thomas

"I knew I shouldn't trust you. He said you killed Moe Zart" "Moe who?" "Zart"

Odd Thomas

The only other film I think I've seen Tom Hulce in is Mary Shelley's Frankenstein, which is a GREAT movie with one of De Niro's best performances (imo)

Mark Messer

I literally cant find this version. Thats never happened before. Strange

G P

Fernando Alamán

George, Simone, It would be great if in patreon poll winners like this (or The Abyss next week), once you've seen it, post somewhere which version you saw (Theatrical, Director's, Special...) so people can prepare to that.

Tay Schumaker

The one time you pick the original version when the directors cut is so much better. Also I can’t even find a torrent of the theatrical version and I own about 5 different versions of this over dvd, Blu-ray, etc. But they’re all the DC. Not sure what to do, was looking forward to this for the last few days. Edit: Wait apparently the Theatrical version has never even been released in HD. How on earth did you manage to even find it? This is baffling. I guess I'll watch the DC and just try to pause and re-sync

Stephanie Bedworth

I'm excited to watch this but I'll have to download the TC on my other computer.

Cliff

As mentioned already, Forman's 'One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest' is a great film. It asks profound questions about what society labels as sanity, and features one of the great screen villains in Nurse Ratched (sp?). I showed it as part of the Psychology course I ran, so I've seen it at least 30 times, and always found something new in it. Peter Schaffer, who wrote Amadeus, also wrote Equus, a truly disturbing film with a fabulous screenplay. But might be a bit much for Simone given the central act of brutality that it's based around. I love the choice of Tom Hulse for Amadeus. He really captures the central question, "What if sublime, transcendant genius was granted to a vulgar buffoon?"

ChickensAreRacist

Was really looking forward to this one but thought it was likely it would be the unavailable theatrical cut (in the US). I’ll try pausing to sync a lot tho.

Rob Parry

Thanks Cinebinge for uploading the edit and so quickly much appreciated!

Alexrandom

I haven't watched this version in a long time. It will be a nice change. Both versions are great. I'll just torrent it :)

Christopher Feiertag

So, now that you enjoyed one film by Miloš Forman, how about continuing with his most famous (and arguably best) movie: “One flew over the cuckoo’s nest”.

Tay Schumaker

Going through and pausing a lot with the DC. It's crazy to me how much they cut out in the Theatrical version. There are so many great scenes that add so much they cut out

Martin Roca

I don't understand the note in the post, should i watch the reaction normally or i need to use the Google drive? I dont get it.

gobmob2000

As far as I am aware, there where no restrictions on color. But for a long time the color blue was unbelievably expensive, so only royalty really wore it, hence the term Royal Blue.

Odd Thomas

I second Man on the Moon. Great biopic starring Jim Carrey. The making of documentary of that film is also great viewing.

Cinebinge
>>129340889

Hi Martin, the version of Amadeus we watched is the theatrical cut, however this version is not widely available to all audiences, especially people from the US. The link we provided (temporarily) in the description are the theatrical versions of the movie that we edited with and can be used to sync up with our reaction as per usual. This is provided for those who cannot access Theatrical versions in their region, it functions the same as its always been, as if the links are Netflix or Prime or any other site you normally watch your copy of the movie from. Its just that in this specific case, we are providing that copy as well.

E. D.

Write "Rock me Amadeus by Falco" in YT, you´ll like it.

Patrick

Thanks for the links S&G! I'm glad I'm giving this movie a shot. I was initially turned off because it's listed as a "musical" and for the most part, I despise musicals. But I'm 20 mins in and I wouldn't classify this as a musical at all. It just has good music in it.

Thirty Year Old Mulberry Field
>>129333162

His earlier Czech movies, like “Loves of a Blonde” and “The Firemen’s Ball”, are highly recommended to fans of foreign cinema. Now thinking about it, I’m surprised his name isn’t brought up more often in the discussion of great directors.

E. D.

I just found a 3h(!!!!) director´s cut version and a 1:57h version. ps: okay, I´ve seen G´s links with the 2:40 version.. thanks George :)

REDR58
>>129334279

Often in the comments when a lot of people are talking about a movie, and there are different versions to consider most people seem to post one way, or the other way they should look at. For example, close encounters of third kind they should go for the directors cut! 😄

REDR58

Speaking of classical music, a recommendation for a movie about Ludwig van Beethoven is “Immortal Beloved” from 1994 with Gary Oldman. Incredible film.

Ghost Dog

*laughs in Amadeus Oops, saw this post only after the fact. But well, I am very used to fiddling around in the effort to sync up old PAL-Dvds with these videos. By now I consider myself an expert in the distinqushed field of 'almost'. Then, on the rare occasion I think me being in the clear as an proud holder of a license for a digital copy of this movie: version mixup appears on the stage. I enjoy the Irony in that. Almost as much as this movie and the your reaction to it. Good work!

Smooticus

Such a terrific movie!

Funny That

FWIW the theatrical version is there on youtube. Search for "amadeus theatrical 1984" and it will be there in the results. Rather than one vid it is a series of 5 min vids (36 of them) and at 480p, just wait until after the Orion logo disappears before beginning to play.

Smooticus

If you guys are looking for another period piece, probably one of the best 18th century period pieces is Barry Lyndon by Kubrick. A bit long, but one of the most beautifully shot movies ever made. I think both of you would enjoy and appreciate it for the work of art that it is. Highly recommended

W T
>>129350247

Huh, no kidding. I mean, it's distorted to all hell and about as agonizing to look at as finding the theatrical cut is... but for the more piracy-averse, that's a neat option. Bump for visibility, I suppose. 37 videos for me in the playlist though, we're talking the same uploader with like half a dozen of diacritics in the username?

W T

Easily and by a huge, massive margin his best movie, fight me. wait, no, don't

E. D.

Pls do Wayne´s World 2 in the near future.

ChickensAreRacist

Very much enjoyed both your reactions to this classic. Again thanks for the temporary link. I won’t write a wall, begrudgingly. So I’ll just say this movie means a lot to me and many. Edit: oh and it’s gonna be weird watching you two react to Eyes Wide Shut lol. But will do.

Brad Lowry

Okay... I am not bragging, my family just bought tickets like anyone else, but I saw Peter Schaffer's stage play on Broadway with the two leads played by Ian McKellen and Tim Curry, and it was amazing. It seemed perfect. But I don't remember any characters other than those two, and although I don't remember any stagecraft lacking, I am quite certain that it was much less immersive than with Twyla Tharp's Staging and Choreography in this film. Indeed, all these years later, I only remember it as a two character play with a minimalist set. I am going to withhold posting this until I am able to look up whether my remembrance is correct... WoW! I was WRONG, but such is the play/film that those two characters seemed all alone in my memory. Both Tim Curry and Ian McKellen were nominated for Best Actor Tony's, later in parallel both Tom Hulce and F. Murray Abraham were nominated for Best Actor Oscars. In both cases, the actor in the Salieri role won. F. Murray Abraham was as gracious as could be and Tom Hulce tried to be stoic, but it was difficult to watch the disappointment on Tom Hulce's face on National TV. As per Simone's question about relatives/descendants I can't think that Salieri's descendants would be happy that the family name is now synonymous with the ache of mediocrity in the presence of true genius. Perhaps they would think "lost to history" is a better fate than the personification of unworthy schadenfreude. As an aside, I also saw Cynthia Nixon on Broadway for her small, but so well done role in "The Real Thing" while she was simultaneously performing in... was it "Hurlyburly"? (yes, just looked that up too)... across town in another small but important role. Then how many years later... after all that Sex in the City... she runs for Mayor of New York City! Second aside, so much to look up as far as Twyla Tharp, not least of which is "The Catherine Wheel" where she commissioned a score from David Byrne (of Talking Heads) for her to choreograph to... to my mind that soundtrack is one of the greatest albums of the 1980s (mostly available on YouTube I believe). Further, Twyla Tharp was the Choreographer for the Film Version of "Hair" also a Milos Forman film... although the clip of the touring company of "Hair" featured on the Smothers Brothers (also on YouTube) really gives you a glimpse into how much of a tectonic shift that show was for Broadway in its day. (Not to disabuse anyone from watching it, but IMHO it was too soon to make the film. It would be better now where a director might try to do a "Mad Men" or "Marvelous Mrs. Mazel" attempt to retroactively capture some of the same zeitgeist.) Third aside, Tom Hulce is pretty well remembered for playing Pinto in "Animal House", but perhaps more importantly, as the Producer that brought "Spring Awakening" to Broadway. Also, FYI to the community, the only copy I could access was the Director's Cut, and navigating the differences was not too bad. Just a matter of pausing the Reaction and being attentive to Simone and George's next scene and starting up when it arrives. So not to be put off.

Odd Thomas

If you watch Close Encounters (and I hope you do) there are three cuts, so might be worth doing a poll? Same with The Abyss.

REDR58
>>129353975

Hopefully the uncut European version (which is also the most easily found) AND in 1.37 : 1 screen ratio!

Adam Wetstein

In the Pink Panther, Blake Edwards made Peter Sellers have a ridiculous French accent while everyone else has no accent. The joke is the whole cast is supposed to bespeaking French, Also the producer of the Pantomime, is a take on the modern Hollywood producer

mky
>>129359549

Being as old as dirt, I saw Amadeus (the movie) in the theater when it came out, so the "Theatrical" version is the one that I know and love. There was also not much confusion as to its historical (in)accuracy, knowing at the time that it was based on Peter Shaffer's Tony Award winning play from a few years earlier, and not actual historical record. What I remember most is the movie exposing many people to the beauty and wonder of Mozart's music, especially as expressed through Salieri's (cursed) appreciation. I also remember being astonished going in that Pinto from Animal House was playing Mozart. :) Funny thing, Brad, I have "The Catherine Wheel" on vinyl (and CD). What an album that was. ;)

Brendan Rafferty

George… John Landis is the famous director Tom Hulce was talking about when he said he copied the laugh. I can’t believe with only four movies to pick from in his resume before Hulce did Amadeus, you didn’t notice that there was only one blockbuster with a famous director And if the name John Landis isn’t familiar to you, look him up and hang your head in shame for not realizing who he was.

Funny That

Its a great story, but it is a fiction, though a beautiful, sad, tantalising one, with delightful dark comedy too. There is a wonderful documentary series covering the history of music, of course including the tale of Mozart, by Howard Goodall that is worth a look. Mozart's life was not a tragic tale, though a brief one as most lives were in the 1700s. For example, the magic flute wasn't some low rent anything, it was widely loved and respected, and it was encapsulation of the (very much stable and giving) love between Mozart and his wife. Mozarts branch of the family did die off, but his sister (every bit as much of a prodigy, but a girl, so...) and her branch of the family did carry-on.

Lola Lirola

Time to learn about the music prodigy that was Nannerl Mozart, Wolfgang's sister! She's completely absent from this movie, and nowadays the title "Mozart's sister", like "Shakespeare's sister", has ended up being synonymous with how girl's talent doesn't get nurtured or afforded the same opportunities to thrive as their exact male counterparts. It is well documented that both Wolfgang and Nannerl were child musical prodigies. In the early days, she sometimes received top billing, and she was noted as an excellent harpsichord player and fortepianist. When Wolfgang was a toddler, Nannerl (four and a half years older) was his idol. According to Maynard Solomon, "at three, Mozart was inspired to study music by observing his father's instruction of Marianne; he wanted to be like her." Nannerl's music was a big attraction in Europe, where she performed with her brother as “wunderkinder”. There are contemporaneous reviews praising Nannerl, and Wolfgang repeatedly wrote that nobody played his keyboard music as well as she could, and her father Leopold described her as “one of the most skillful players in Europe”, with “perfect insight into harmony and modulations” and that she improvises “so successfully that you would be astounded”. However, when she turned 18, she was forced to stop performing. A little girl could play and tour, but a woman doing so risked her reputation, so she was left behind in Salzburg, and her father only took Wolfgang on their next journeys around the courts of Europe. Nannerl never toured again. According to New Grove, "from 1769 onwards she was no longer permitted to show her artistic talent on travels with her brother, as she had reached a marriageable age." Wolfgang went on during the 1770s to many artistic triumphs while traveling in Italy with their father, but Marianne stayed at home in Salzburg with their mother. Being 'marriable' abruptly ended her public music career. There is also evidence that Marianne wrote musical compositions, as there are letters from Wolfgang praising her work, but the voluminous correspondence of her father never mentions any of her compositions, and none were preserved. After being married and becoming a mother, when her children were old enough, she returned to music as a piano teacher, becoming a well renowned trainer of several future piano masters, and was a highly esteemed piano soloist in the concerts at Prince Ernst von Schwarzenberg's court.

Monica Alarcon

A personal opinion: Always go with the Director's/Extended cut, I hope you do this for The Abyss next week... I know there are some exceptions, for example I like the theatrical versions of Dumb and Dumber and Terminator 2 more... Dumb and dumber adds some pointless and gross scenes and the Terminator 2 ending in the director's cut is kinda stupid... as I said, this is just my personal opinion...

Shonnicus

This is one of my All Time Favorites. I love this film. F. Murray Abraham's performance is up there with the best for me. Some hard carry but Milos Forman directed the bleep out of this film with the integration of music into this film. The big gap you miss in the the Director's Cut is when Constanze visited Salieri with his music. Salieri made a pass and told her to come back later. She came back and he made her disrobe then left. That is why at the end when she sees him, she is very upset. Now the final when Mozart and Salieri are working together to finish the requiem was so great. First by Mozart describing the composition and then the overlay of the actual music. Incredible. The best part is when Mozart was dictating to Salieri for that one moment, Salieri was Possessed by God when he and Mozart were one.

Astraeos
>>129372184

I think the bottom line rule should be to just do a little research beforehand. There are so many movies where the Directors Cut is absolutely not worth it, and so many where the Directors Cut is worth it. Its not really that hard to do some cursory google searching to find out which one is recommended.

Johnny Liu

The older I get the more I realize I'm Salieri...

Glenner7
>>129350533

Absolutely. Every shot is a painting. The title character is such a scoundrel...

Brad Lowry

A request via an aspect of Amadeus that Simone especially remarked on , and that George echoed agreement with. (And as Shonnicus discusses above.) The scenes where Salieri explained the beauty of Mozart's work by explaining the composition as it unfolded, and most notably as Salieri is transcribing the Requiem at the end. Those scenes reminded me of the amazing scene in "Philadelphia" where Tom Hanks' character explained the beauty of an Opera Aria to Denzel Washington's character. There are so many reasons for S&G to react to "Philadelphia" beyond that scene, but that scene is so remarkable and it is so parallel as theatre to the Amadeus scene they remarked upon. FWIW: $0.02

Tim T—

To answer George's question as to how to recognise Emperor Joseph II among all those finely dressed people: As emperor he is wearing a military uniform, not just a waistcoat and on his uniform he is wearing the sash/ribbon and the breast star of the Grand Cross of the Military Order of Maria Theresia. Somebody at courts in the 18th century would have known that, even if we today see it all as a mess.

Brad Lowry
>>129369408

Regards Lola! This post will encourage me to learn even more. Thank you. If you are interested in a similar story about math and technology rather than music, do read about Ada Byron Lovelace. I learned the story mostly by the amazing book "The Information" by James Gleick, but perhaps there are books that focus solely on this amazing woman. The personal journey I went on was reading that she was quite famous for the amazing things written in a Translation of an Italian paper - maybe it was French? I remember thinking to myself as I read, "She's most famous for translating another person's paper?" The more I learned it turned out that the original paper was a few pages, but Ada Byron Lovelace's translation was considerably longer. As you might know, back then women couldn't just author such a paper, so by translating from Italian Lovelace was able to shoehorn into that "translation" many of her groundbreaking original ideas, notwithstanding her gender. Of course, by being Lord Byron's daughter, she had available to her math instruction in the first place, and the further advantage of attending parties where she might make the acquaintance of Charles Babbage. Fun fact for George, and where I first learned of Ada Byron Lovelace myself: the preface to an Oracle PL/SQL book told me that the original name of what became PL/SQL was "ADA" in honor of her.

REDR58

The powder they’re dumping into the mass grave at the end of the movie is lime, which will help to decompose the bodies faster so the grave can be used again relatively quickly.

Bennett Holleman

Figured Black Swan from Stanze's costume then went back through the polls and confirmed it. All I can say is buckle up, Darren A's movies are extremely hardcore.

Bryce Lamkin

I recommend Son's of Anarchy as a show to watch please, it has 7 seasons

BangDroid

So am I the only one who see's David Dobrik in Mozart? Almost as if David modelled his personality from this film and even kind of looks like him

akaTheBARON

🖤I can't explain it... but something about watching this reaction made me want to join the Navy... something George said I think but can't put my finger on it. Oh well, off to my local recruiting office!

mky

You know those guys at the very beginning who are trying to get Salieri to open the door by offering him sweet treats? The one who's speaking, the taller one...he's in Buckaroo Banzai. Just sayin' ;)

YukoValis

Where did you even find the Theater version to watch? I can't find it anywhere.

Angela D. Mitchell

I wish I knew where you guys got the original release -- I hate the Director's Cut and it's the only one available. I had to keep trying to FF and rewind to find where you were again. Meanwhile, wonderful commentary and reactions! I love the final "Requiem" scene so much between Mozart and Salieri because it is so many things at once. It is a meeting of the minds, a kind of love duet, and it is also as if Salieri is a vampire, draining Mozart of his final genius as he dies. The core of this play -- for me -- is that nobody hates Mozart more than Salieri. And nobody loves Mozart more than Salieri. Once we get that final scene, I just want to go back in time and get these two kids together in friendship to make it all work out. (sniffle) Meanwhile, great dialogue on the accents. As a theatre director, I always hate when movies force actors to adopt terrible accents instead of just working around them. Like, I'd argue that a bad accent is more immersion-breaking to audiences than just letting the actor do their own. Just add a line to explain where they're from, poof, no problem. With this in mind, I would have added a line to the dialogue that Keanu Reeves was American in "Dracula," or a line that the main character was Scottish (not Irish), in the case of Gerard Butler in "PS I Love You," etc. In both cases, the actors just couldn't do it, and it would have been so much better to let them work with what they had. So I'm glad Milos Forman let the accents stand here -- everyone was wonderful. Also -- Tom Hulce did some fantastic work in film (never better than here, when he was amazing) but he was really comfortable in the theatre, and eventually within a decade of "Amadeus," went back into the theatre (he went on to multiple Tony nominations as a producer, and won a Tony for "Spring Awakening").

pinkdino99

You say that it's weird to have laws about dancing. In the UK The Criminal Justice Act 2003 outlawed dancing to "repetitive beats" (ie: illegal raves). This law stands today.

Paul Hess

I just joined because of this reaction. Interestingly before joining this post had the beginning of a note which said "Hi folks, sorry about the mix up with versions we made a mistake, got confused and thought that theatrical being the way to go. To remedy th...". So I joined and as a member that note is missing! (you can see the note by logging out of patreon and not viewing it as a member). So I was super curious to find the rest of the note so I could know what the remedy is or how to stay in sync with the reaction. I'm looking forward to the reaction, but I hope I'm not missing out on some great secret on how to stay in sync other than trial and error.

Paul Hess
>>170084457

Well I found the theatrical version on an old DVD of mine. But I no longer have a DVD player (long ago I grabbed the director's cut to store on my hard drive but didn't grab the theatrical version). I also found it for rent on Apple TV+ for $4 and I think that will be worth it.

Paul Hess

What a great reaction, thank you! It was cool that George already knew so much about opera and the times (I wish I did, when I first watched this in the ’80s, but for me it was the start of a journey not a continuation). Click! To be honest you had two reactions. First, you were watching the movie. Then, from the Don Giovani scene onward, you totally got it and got sucked into the vibe of the movie, click! You heard everything the movie was trying to say. Fun fact: They put up F. Murray Abramson in a separate hotel and generally kept him separate from the cast to help foster the feeling of aloofness that they wanted Salieri to have in the movie. Over and over again at the costume/musical chairs party, after the vaudeville show, and almost every other scene he was meant to seem separate and isolated from the common group. (p.s. just last month I drove to NY to see Abramsom perform in person in a Beckett play, (Krapps last tape, https://irishrep.org/show/2024-2025-season/beckett-briefs/). He still has it and it was well worth the one day round trip drive to NY for it! If you rewatch (maybe the director’s cut?) pay attention to the acting. It’s exquisite and I don’t just mean the big dramatic moves. Almost every actor’s gestures and expressions and motions, even if they aren’t the center of attention for a scene, is carefully crafted for meaning and expressions. Not unlike Mozart’s music “displace one note, and there would be diminishment”. Finally, WTF is that cup George has?!????!!?

Ste Rawlings

On George's point in the post film discussion about a production where they had the actors do accents based on class position, that's exactly what they did in Game of Thrones