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The Abyss (Special Edition) - Patreon Version (Patreon)

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No Sync Required Version: https://cinebingers.ca/dxsvTWtDV9 - For Patreon tier "Bingers on The Wall" or higher.

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The Abyss (Special Edition) - Patreon Version

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FrancescoTakesItEasy

Fuck yeah, when the new 4K disc gets here in four weeks, this'll be waiting. Very excited for your reaction.

djKENTO

I’m so mad that this movie’s 4K remaster is just horrendous. Smoothed out like an IG filter. It’s a shame cuz the grittiness from the film grain was part of the charm and the grounded feel of everything. Also don’t know if you asked, but just in case you do when it comes up… yes liquid Oxygen is real and yes that rat is really doing that.

MotoDork

For the record, James Cameron calls ALL of his extended editions "Special Editions." Those are going to be his approved extended editions. Like Terminator 2 "Special Edition." Like Aliens "Special Widescreen Collector's Edition" (laserdisc box set).

JakeyShakeyBakeyBoy

Haven’t watched this film for a long time but it feels shamefully necessary to say “you may need to take abyss” before getting into it, considering the special edition is 3 hours lol

Luca Kelly

Unfortunately I’ll have to skip this one even though this movie has been on my list for ages because I can not for the life of me find a copy of the special edition anywhere :( obviously not your guys’s fault and I’m glad you’re watching this version anyway

Onno Smits
>>129928096

You'll need a free torrenting program like qBittorrent. Then just go to magnetdl.com, type "The.Abyss.1989.Special.Edition.1080p.MA" in the search bar, and click the magnet icon. As long as you have a subscription to a streaming service that has the movie in their collection, I don't think anyone would be morally opposed to getting a different version of the same movie from a legal grey area source, just to get a proper sync with our Canadian friends.

N Kingham

The one-hour documentary "Under Pressure: Making 'the Abyss' (1993)" on making this is fascinating, no matter how you thought they filmed it, it was more insane. A partially completed Nuclear Reactor is used... I do see a low quality Spanish-subtitled version at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YctOKgWVn9E, but the new 4K Release should have it

Funny That
>>129927502

If you are looking for a full background chat on this movie there is the recent mild fuzz movie podcast (and on youtube) to checkout. The rat is real. The poor rat.

MotoDork

Yes the fluid breathing scene with the rat was real. The rat really was in the fluid and breathing it.

MotoDork

You guys really should take the time to watch "Under Pressure: The Making of The Abyss." Well worth watching.

JediLounger

So you should check out the other two underwater movies also released in the same year, confusing audiences for the last 3 decades and beyond. Leviathan (1989) and DeepStar Six (1989) are for sure not at the level of The Abyss, but are hilarious in so many ways that you guys would love. I think you have watched most or all of the movies they...used for inspiration, are very short, and would be great for CineCringe.

brian burke

glad you liked it, go see strange days next. cameron wrote it but did not direct. i saw the abyss at the theater when i was about 11 years old and it remains one of my favorite movies still today. thank you for choosing it. i took scuba diving lessons largely because of this movie, it was fun but its been a long time since i did it. i also made artwork based on it and had ideas for a sequel i was trying to draw. it really affected me. as for the religious ideas, actually the movie has some religious imagery, sure they may not be aliens from another planet but some articles have been written saying they are part of our mythology and religions and the aliens are from earth, one character even said he thought they were angels. also when ed harris is coughing up the liquid that scene has been said to be like a rebirth/ baptism or similar to some hindu images. i have both the normal version and the extended version, the aliens are in both versions, the main difference is some talking scenes and the scenes with the tidal waves. but yes this movie had some bad problems, mainly because of james cameron's behavior. most people blame him. mary elizabeth during the scene she was getting resurrected, she got up and walked off the set yelling at cameron because of his abuse. its amazing that scene is still in the movie, it took like 10 takes. or more i hear cameron sometimes apologizes but he does this nasty behavior alot on many movies.

Henkan

Movie recommendation: Cloud Atlas.

Grandalf

I just remembered that my wedding ring was from a company that made them out of industrial metals. Mine was a replica of Bud's and it was made out of tungsten carbide. I can testify, that thing was uncrushable.

djKENTO

George’s reaction to this makes me think he might really dig Avatar. You take the spectacular wonder of alien life and their love for life… and set it up against corpo military might like this and Aliens… it’s got all the stuff that works. And they genuinely are fucking gorgeous to look at.

Monica Alarcon

You really need to watch Close Encounters of the Third Kind...

MotoDork

The aliens are in the theatrical cut. The Special Edition is just more fleshed out. The theatrical cut doesn't have any aspect of the giant wave.

punterjoe

The whole B-plot of international tension / prelude to war (and message/warning from the NTIs) were cut from the theatrical release. This cut is a much more satisfying film.

GBmain
>>129929673

I looked it up wanted to be sure lol... Five rats were used for five different takes, all of whom survived and were given antibiotic shots by a vet. The rat that actually appeared in the film died of natural causes a few weeks before the film opened. Though I probably shouldn't be so sensitive, scientists torture millions of rats much more severely everyday

Cincassette

Speaking of water... "Das Boot (Directors Cut)" (1981) and "The Life Aquatic with Steve Zissou" (2004).

REDR58
>>129937445

The problem with the Avatar movies is that the Na’vi are incredibly disconcerting to look at. At least as far as I’m concerned. I tried watching the first Avatar for the very first time last year. I find the Na’vi so repulsive to look at I couldn’t get through it. I think I hate the way they look almost as much as I hate the Akira movie. And I loathe the Akira movie.

REDR58
>>129937682

And they need to watch the “Director’s Cut” version which is about 2 hours 17 minutes long.

REDR58

“It's a bottomless pit, baby. Two-and-a-half miles straight down.”

Monica Alarcon

Getting "Prey" ready to watch soon...

Patrick

I know exactly how Lindsay feels around the 1:15:00 mark. Me and 3 other friends of mine saw a UFO in college, but on the few times I've mentioned it to other people, I get this dismissive look as if I'm a crazy person. I just never mention it anymore.

GBmain

Heard George worry about water pressure on the human body at depth before so just thought I'd clarify. When you dive underwater, the water pressure increases, but your body, which is mostly water with air-filled spaces, doesn't experience significant compression. Unlike a sealed structure such as a submarine, you won't be crushed or even feel anything really. However, the gases within your body, like nitrogen and oxygen, can be compressed. As you descend to greater depths, these gases dissolve into your tissues and you get a build up of nitrogen. In technical diving at deeper levels, divers breathe different gas mixtures like trimix, including helium and other gases, to counteract this effect. Even though you won't feel any discomfort the gases experience compression. Divers ascend slowly to prevent the compressed gases from forming bubbles. These bubbles can then travel through the bloodstream and accumulate in various tissues, causing damage. Cave divers exploring depths of only a few hundred feet may encounter pressures equivalent to about 12 atmospheres (that's the water pressure at that depth). Because of the body's composition, the pressure isn't as perceptible as one might anticipate (even at more extreme depths) worst you have to worry about is a mask or suit squeeze. However, exposure to 12 atmospheres of pressure would be lethal on land such as on another planet. Underwater, it remains manageable with proper precautions for decompression sickness and nitrogen narcosis. I recently got into watching cave diving channels on YouTube and learned a lot lol. Check out DiveTalk , they're good wholesome, informative guys

Chris Brewer

There is a making of documentary of this movie that is amazing. It was a nightmare to file. Ed Harris almost drowned at one point.

Spacedone

For anyone who hasn't actually seen the movie... SPOILERS BELOW As you surmised, the original theatrical version of this movie basically removed all of the end of the world, anti-war message. I don't know which studio idiot made that decision but the theatrical cut has the NTIs rescuing Bud, taking him to their city and then saying they did it because he'd disarmed the bomb at the assumed cost of his own life. They then just rise up to the surface and the movie ends. It's still a good movie but the special edition ending is SOOOOO much better. I think that if that version had been the theatrical cut, The Abyss would be talked about in the same company as Aliens and T2.

Odd Thomas

Agree you need to watch Close Encounters. The Abyss is great but it's basically Close Encounters underwater. The rat scene was famously removed from the UK home video even after being shown uncut on TV, but is intact in every other release as far as I know. The UK 4k release was delayed for this reason again, so I'll probably just buy the US release.

davetheimp

Thanks for reacting to this film. This was the first James Cameron movie I watched in the theater. I remember being wowed by the film at the time but also leaving somewhat disappointed by the ending. Was so happy to eventually see the special edition with the original intended ending. If you ever want to check out another great (but rarely seen) performance by Mary Elizabeth Mastrantonio, I would suggest "Limbo" (1999). She also shows that she is a great singer in that movie.

ThePVO

I think this and Titanic stand as the limits of filming another world practically and is why Cameron has (apparently) decided to spend the remainder of his career/life utilizing a completely digital world that he can have full control over.

Joanthan Skidmore

Heart rate monitors would be a great idea! Would've been fun during a few scenes in this!

Ron K

Recently watched a documentary about the exploration of the oceans. Don't remember the name of it but they said that up until 10 or so years ago it was less than 10% of our oceans had been explored. Today it's closer to 20%. They also said that more people have walked on the moon than have been to the bottom of the ocean.

Patrick
>>129958540

There's a girl who does that with a screen overlay when reacting to music. AileenSenpai. She's such an empath I love watching her rock out or just full on cry during a song.

E. D.

Unfortunately, it seems like the special edition is not easy to find on the internet (for free).

David S
>>129960781

yea, I was really looking forward to this one, but it's not even available to rent. You can purchase it for $20, but that's it. The remastered 4k comes out next month, and it might be available to rent then, but I don't know if that version will be the same as the current special edition :(

Tim T—

There is a great and terrifying documentary about saturation divers in the North Sea: Last Breath (2019). It’s about a diver who got disconnected from his umbilical 100 meters under water – and he survives. Again: terrifying.

Christian Rennie

This would be the first time that I would totally watch your reactions to the "making of" for this one. This is notorious for how rough it was on the actors. I think there is a good YT "making of" that will explain everything. It is bananas!!! You will really feel for the actors and (warning) you will have a new view on Cameron. Even a short "follow up" to this with a review of the "making of" would satisfy my curiosity on both of your further thoughts on this movie.

Skyruff

“absolute power” is a must see for you two. Based on a book. Ed Harris, Clint Eastwood, Gene Hackman, and many more.

Seirsan

You've probably already done your deep dive (pun intended), but just in case. I think what you are thinking of is saturation diving. The basic issues with pressure in diving is 1) dissolved gasses in the bloodstream, 2) compression of air-spaces in the body (though this is usually mitigated by taking a breath of compressed air), 3) oxygen toxicity and nitrogen narcosis are the other biggies in deep diving. O2 becomes a major neurotoxin if it is under a partial pressure of more than ~1.3 atmospheres. The big hand-wave in this on diving is that at those depths everyone would be breathing a mixture of oxygen and helium. You can guess why they decided to skip that detail. Helium is used because nitrogen under pressure tends to act on the brain the same way nitrus-oxide or laughing gas does. The liquid breathing works because your air supply doesn't compress as much the deeper you go.

Shreddy

Ed Harris held his breath for the liquid breathing helmet scenes. It wasn't a helmet with a water compartment. He just pretend to breath There's a lot of breath holding in this movie (all the corpses are people holding their breath) there was just safety people with oxygen masks nearby. The reason Coffey was cutting himself was trying to keep himself together, to remind himself (through pain) that what is happening is real... or something like that (that's how I interpreted it) And the Theatrical Cut was similar, but it's lacking the tidal wave threats, and showing the motivation of the aliens in detail. You can sort of deduct it from the theatrical ending, but it's not nearly as fleshed out. It ends sort of abruptly. But main elements were the same. The other extra footage was extended bonding scenes between the crew etc.

REDR58

Another good disaster in the water movie is “The Poseidon Adventure” from 1972. It’s a classic!

MikeBdrx

Is it Prey? Do I get my 10 points lol “this is as far as you go”

Opti_Frog

For a good few years, this film was my favourite movie. I really wanted to see it in the cinema, but i was hospitalised and missed it. As someone who grew up on Star Wars and Close Encounters of the Third Kind, The Abyss was not only right up my alley, it was one of the most exciting and thrilling films i had ever seen. I still like it, as cheesy as it is. But i prefer versions without the animal abuse and the tsunamis. The theatrical version cuts the whole thing with the NTIs sending shock-waves to every shoreline on Earth, which is a pretty drastic change to the ending of your movie. But it's a better ending. Here's why: The Special Edition turns the NTIs from benevolent rescuers of Bud (because he was willing to sacrifice his life to save theirs) to Big Brother watchdogs with a MUCH bigger stick. "Behave yourselves, or we will pummel you. We are very curious about you and we want to make contact BUT MIGHT MAKES RIGHT." This is not benevolence, it's tyranny. At the end of the film, the NTIs are basically holding the whole planet hostage. And this is the ending most people prefer. "Oh thank you sweet aliens for not killing us all with your big waves. When a stranger points a gun at my head and tells me to do something, i really worship him when he puts the gun away."

Opti_Frog
>>129948800

No studio idiot made that decision. Cameron had final cut on The Abyss, but didn’t want to deliver an overlong film. It was his choice.

FranciscoGios

Well I’ve learned something new from James Cameron maybe I heard a bit of how he treated tha cast for this movie but the ones George mentioned from www.com I was surprised. And yet we as humans only know 6% of the discovered ocean. Thanks for both of you was waiting for your reaction to this ocean movie.

JayF

@Simone, if you want another lovable Ed Harris character try "Absolute Power". If you want a movie starring (brace yourself) Ed Harris and Viggo Mortensen try "A History of Violence".

Brant

I’ve always loved this movie, but my wife and I were able to see it in Dolby Atmos when it was rereleased in theaters last year. Really incredible. It’s insane how well it holds up 34 years later. It’s a testament to how truly talented James Cameron is.

Kevin Knadle

Wouldn't it be funny if all your patreons got together and recommended a really crappy movie that you would hate.

brian burke
>>129970063

good point i have also heard from some military vets that cutting themselves is also a way to stay awake, when badly injured or tired and they need to stay awake because they are in a dangerous area and cannot fall asleep from tiredness or injury and need to get to safety. coffey is having a breakdown because of decompression issues, but he still might be remembering his training. i love this movie.

brian burke
>>129973503

yeah thats good, there is also a rarely seen sequel i think its called beyond the poseidon adventure, its nto as good, but its ok, decent i would say if you want to see it.

Robert da Spruce

Why did you guys do the trivia? I never knew any of this. I’ve always liked this film. But knowing some of those things you discussed in the outro knocks a little of the shine off this film for me. Sometimes, ignorance is bliss. Oh well. I still like this film overall. And, like you said, hopefully Cameron learned from this and treated his actors better in subsequent films. Nice reaction guys!

Guy Gordon
>>129928661

Yes, this documentary, produced for the special edition laserdisc release a few years after the film's release, is absolutely fantastic. VERY much worth a viewing. Easily one of the most difficult shoots in movie history. Not that Cameron doesn't often like to mount insane productions that tend to push filming technology and possibilities forward another decade in the process...

Jesus F Christ

Adding to the chorus of suggestions for The Right Stuff.

Joseph Bateman

James Cameron said in a special about his deep sea obsession that he only makes movies to fund his expensive deep sea exploration hobby. If he needs more money to start a new expensive project then he will make another movie for some quick cash lol He is part of a whole team of engineers, scientists and is a resident sea explorer for National Geographic. He did the first ever solo trip to the Challenger Deep. He spent around 3 hours down there exploring.

Logan Kerlee

That was one movie that I did not enjoy watching. I fell asleep midway through! Still though, woke up toward the end and watched from there. Didn't understand much of anything aside from big wave being stopped and controlled by aliens. Crazy stuff! xD I may decide to rewatch sometime soon and hopefully enjoy the ENTIRE thing that way. :)

gobmob2000

The whole "I was under orders" excuse was settled in the Nuremberg trials, where the Nazi's used the "I was under orders" as an excuse for murder, but the Nuremberg trials dismissed that excuse and agreed you can still commit crimes while under orders, which the US agreed to as well. So I always cringe at the "I was under orders" excuse in films, because it keeps reminding me of the Nuremberg trials.

gobmob2000

You can use the same physical mechanism that makes flying possible in air also in water. So in that sense, yes you can "fly" in water. But whether its flying or not depends on your definition of flying.

BangDroid

George likes consistency in science, but even that can be unrealistic. Why my gravity no worky when small?

Alexrandom

If you guys could react to the documentary "making the abyss " that would be a great bonus! It's crazy to see how this was made

G Lam

I'm so glad you guys covered this. I can only hope it's due to my suggesting it a week ago. ;-) And I was so glad you reviewed the background info. I thought it was funny in your commentary where you spoke about the insurance of drowning the lead actor, and that's VERY close to what they did! It is a shame it was such an ordeal for the actors, and such a red mark on James Cameron's directing methods, but as you saw, it was such a good film.... which makes you question "was it worth it?". Reportedly Ed Harris said: “We were guinea pigs, in a way, Jim wasn’t quite sure how this was all gonna go down… [in the drowning scene I was] screaming at her to come back and wake up, and I was slapping her across the face and I see that they’ve run out of film in the camera — there’s a light on the camera — and nobody had said anything. And Mary Elizabeth stood up and said, ‘We are not animals!’ and walked off the set. They were going to let me just keep slapping her around!” And yes, James Cameron travelled to the bottom of the Mariana's Trench, the lowest point of the Earth's surface ("Deep Sea Challenge [3D]")

BangDroid
>>129997561

I love how the US is selective about what international laws it wants to accept

BangDroid

Some additional trivia: The technology that turned into Photoshop was developed for this film by Industrial Light and Magic CG supervisor Thomas Knoll and his brother John.

Lola Lirola

This movie is really most interesting to me because it's so clearly a 'proof of concept' movie. Like, the plot is almost secondary to James Cameron wanting to work out these things: - How to develop underwater camera equipment and submersibles so that he could go explore the Titanic wreck in real life. - How to film safely in water for Titanic the movie. - How to CGI liquid shapeshifting (which had not been developed yet) to use in Terminator 2. - How to CGI bioluminescence for later on in Avatar. - How to sort out his feelings about his divorce from Gale Hurd, whom he was leaving for Kathryn Bigelow in the middle of writing the script. To me, this has always felt a bit more of an idea scrapbook than a cohesive movie, but I am fascinated by it as a representation of how to find an artistic excuse to try things out that are still in draft form.

gobmob2000

Another Spielberg to watch is A.I. Artificial Intelligence 2001. Originally a Kubrick project, he gave it to Spielberg who made it after Kubrick died.

michael denny

after this really want u guys to watch das boot (directors cut)

PickettsChargingPort

I was a diver once upon a time. Had my wreck certification, which means no direct path to the surface. This movie always made me itch.

Drew Acheson

This was amazing. You guys should also watch Sphere.

Ted K. had a point

Btw the quote by Nietzsche "...when you look long into an abyss, the abyss also looks into you" is a famous one. Or the second part of it. The first part is "He who fights with monsters should be careful lest he thereby become a monster." Cameron took it and used it slightly out of context here. To create a mysterious, perhaps slightly ominous feel

Justin Leone
>>129976125

Is it still fair to call it tyranny when the thing the stranger is forcing you all to do is to not thoughtlessly slaughter each other? I get that it's infantilizing, and how that might rub you the wrong way, but calling it tyranny seems a little hyperbolic. Tyranny evokes the idea of humans arbitrarily exercising power over other humans for self-serving reasons. But we wouldn't typically use it to describe parents who exercise their authority to keep angry siblings from hurting each other, because we understand that children can be hot-tempered and act without thinking about consequences, and sometimes you need an adult to intervene. Humans, especially the ones who are ostensibly in charge, often act like children, to the detriment of themselves and everyone else. The ones driving these conflicts are often tyrannical themselves. Genuinely tyrannical, exploiting and killing innocents for power and profit. And I think humanity would probably benefit from having an adult in the room to keep the children in line.

Alex Ch

Took me a while to get a hold of the film, but worth it for a great reaction!

Brien Kliver

For some reason my version plays at like a 5% faster speed than yours so it keeps going out of sync. Very weird.

Matthew Abbott

I know this is old so you’re probably not checking comments, but George asked multiple times why people weren’t just getting crushed so I thought I’d bring it up. Humans are, as a rule, pretty goddamned hard to crush. The theoretical crush depth for a human body is much, MUCH deeper than the deepest part ocean. Now, before that you’d have to worry about your lungs collapsing, but when your lungs are filled with gas at the same pressure that’s not an issue (which is why everyone was pressurized when they came down). Bud’s final dive probably would have killed him had he been on gas, but his lungs were filled with liquid which makes it near impossible for his lungs to collapse. The biggest problems from high pressure come from nitrogen narcosis and oxygen toxicity. In reality everyone on the rig would probably be breathing Heliox, but they omitted that because the drama would be undercut if everyone sounded like chipmunks.

hackbyte
>>182410083

Yeah i was thinking the same thing... We're mostly made of water, which is virtually incompressible anyways .... so the pressure doesn't really do much .. except for killing you when you don't handle it right. ;)