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Vinland Saga 1 x 22 (Patreon)

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2025-12-12 22:18:03
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2026-04-20 06:25:53
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Adam

Askeladd’s name is essentially the male version of Cinderella, it makes me laugh

Adam

25:30 yes! I have wanted to talk about that since then. Do you think Askeladd would have allowed Thorfinn to kill him? I am almost of the opinion Askeladd’s self-hatred verged on the suicidal. He is proud of himself for his revenge, and doesn’t begrudge Thorfinn. Only his “poor” methods.

Adam

Envisioning some fanfic where young Thorfinn stabs Askeladd, and is confused when Askeladd dies smiling at him

Mickael Landry

Great reaction, I knew you would cry within the first few seconds of seeing Bjorn. Agree with you, that was cruel yeah! 🙈 One thing I value about this show is the significant opportunity for interpretation and analysis. ☝️1rst perspective that you eloquently elaborated Sophie Askeladd tells indeed his story to Thorfinn to convey a harsh reality: to genuinely defeat an adversary, one must forsake principles and emotions, adopting cunning and ruthlessness. Revenge is devoid of honor and mercy. Thorfinn’s aspiration to be a noble fighter ultimately renders him foolish to Askeladd's view; even though he dislikes fighting and find no joy about it, he has spent ten years chasing vengeance yet remains unable to fulfill his objective. He persistently seeks a fair duel with Askeladd, despite having many chances to kill him. Askeladd’s point is basically: 🗣“Your pride is your undoing; it stops you from taking the necessary, albeit dishonorable, steps to eliminate me, just as I did with my father.”

Mickael Landry

✌️2nd perspective We could also make a second observation regarding their differing backgrounds. Askeladd's disappointment in Thorfinn is evident in this episode, as he subtly indicates the route Thorfinn could take to outshine him. Throughout the season, Askeladd suggests that Thorfinn could easily walk away and move forward. In contrast to Askeladd, who did not have a supportive father figure, Thorfinn is the child of a "beautiful man" who represented love and unwavering support—an "Artorius" that Askeladd could only fantasize about. However, in spite of this heritage, Thorfinn has turned into a bloodthirsty fool, wasting his life in a quest for revenge against a man he loathes. He is unable to look beyond his limited viewpoint, overlooking the intricacies of the situation (such as Floki’s involvement), and even finds it difficult to carry out his superficial quest for vengeance successfully. Askeladd was born a slave to a terrible father, which fueled his self-hatred for sharing that blood and ultimately becoming like him. In contrast, Thorfinn was born to Thors, a true warrior with a loving home and the gift of freedom. Yet, he chooses to throw it all away, becoming what Askeladd despises most. It’s as if Thorfinn is discarding everything Askeladd never had. Simultaneously, Askeladd despised the necessity of killing Thors and held enough respect for him to feel a certain obligation towards the boy. Not because he has any fondness for Thorfinn as an individual. He attempts to mentor and guide Thorfinn, yet he consistently faces resistance from the kid. All of this leads to Askeladd’s perception of Thorfinn as the most foolish “Viking warrior” he has ever met.

Leah Henderson

Askeladd is my favorite! Love him or hate him, he's a compelling, well-written character. Poor Thorfinn. It's agonizing to watch him struggle like he does. I also have to remind myself he's a kid because I catch myself getting annoyed. ^^;

Erjon Sejdijaj

I love this episode for many different reasons, but I just want to point out a couple of small details most would miss upon their first viewing. Deatils which I find add just a bit of extra nuance to the characters, or otherwise enhance their existing characteristics. Firstly, regarding Askeladd (which should be obvious by now, meaning the "ashen lad"), many focus on his "I'm just a viking" line, but one I find just as fascinating is what he said about his first duel with his dad and his emergent sword skills. Whereas for most men of that time period it would be seen as a point of pride, Askeladd instead says "I'm so ashamed, it makes me want to cry." All he wanted was to live a peaceful life with his mother, even if it meant he would be a slave. It's not just that he hates himself for the things he has made himself to do these past who knows how many decades; the fact that he's capable of performing them at all sickens him. Now, moving on to Thorfinn, I think it's fair to say this is the deepest point his character has sunk to this season. He's just lost yet another duel, and the man who he centers his entire purpose around just called him nothing more than a useful mutt. What I want to highlight here is the fact that he's regressed so much that his blade is *literally* tied around his hand. Even if he wanted to, he can't let go of it at this point. Imagine that, a character tumbling down the road of inhumanity so much that his weapon of choice quite literally becomes an inseperable part of his body. Beautiful symbolism by the author. Lastly, it's a small point, but when Thorfinn looks into his blade and we see his memories, it's very notable imo that they cut off at his anger right after Thors's murder. It's not just that we don't see his life in iceland in his memories, we don't even see the man he's supposed to be doing this for in the first place. It's been so long that his reason for revenge is merely an idea of a thought, instead of a memory itself. As far as he is concerned, his life started on that boat with that knife already clutched in his hand. Anything that happened before that was a mere precursor to his self-selected reason d'etre. We're gearing up to the finale now, just a couple more to go before season 2. I can't wait to see what you make of them! I'm constantly impressed by how much thematic material you can parse through on your first viewing even while talking into a camera. Looking forward to next week!

Erjon Sejdijaj

I think what frustrated Askeladd the most is that he knows first hand who Thorfinn's father is. He knows the type of man Thorfinn could become, yet at every opportunity he digs a greater hole to tumble down into. In a weird way I think Askeladd sees Thorfinn as a debt he is repaying to Thors, in that he's making good on killing him by sorta almost kinda caring for his son and giving him an opportunity to become such a person. I think this episode, especially after he was just forced to watch his only friend die by his own hand, Askeladd's proverbial bucket spilled over with the last drop it could carry, and he just had to say everything to Thorfinn's face to blow off steam.

Mickael Landry

I appreciate your and Sophie's understanding and empathy towards Thorfinn at this point. Many YouTube reactors quickly echoed Askeladd's sentiments and branded him an "idiot" without considering Thorfinn's entire journey. ☹️ Askeladd's way of killing his father was indeed more "logical" than Thorfinn's, but it would be futile for Thorfinn to follow that same path. The idea of an honorable duel is very important to him, largely because of Thors' influence. We must remember as you said that Thorfinn is a child scarred by war, caught in the hands of cruel mercenaries. It is hoped that his situation will not develop as rapidly as we might wish.

Username123

Love how askeladd really showed thorfinn there is no honorable way to kill someone. If you’re going to kill someone it’s inherently dishonorable. Basically destroying his delusion of getting revenge for his father in an honorable way. And making him realize if you really wanted askeladd dead you should have just killed him in his sleep when you had the chance years ago.

Mickael Landry

This is why Askeladd stands out as one of my favorite characters across all anime, despite not being an "honorable" individual. Likewise, I find him incredibly fascinating and somewhat tragic. He is someone who loses even in victory, if that makes sense. 🎭 The irony of Thorfinn's duel is that he had the chance to win during his first match after the time skip. You can see how Askeladd was acting friendly and caught off guard at the start of the duel, so if Thorfinn had played his cards right and put his pride aside, he could have defeated him. In fact, this very weakness is why Askeladd provoked him; he was aware of Thorfinn's short temper and how it made him less strategic.

icyfire

It's a good mix of frustration and sympathy I felt for Thorfinn, and yes, Askeladd is indeed a very complicated man 🤣

Hohenheim

Thorkell is still the strongest. He let Thorfin have so many chances to get back up because I don’t think he actually wanted to kill him. He just wanted to see if Thorfin had the same vision as his father because Thorkell wanted to understand what the concept of a true warrior meant. That’s why he got mad when Canute said he’s the weakest out of the three lol. (I think)

Vivasvan Gautam

God I am so excited for your reaction and thoughts for the remaining episodes of season 1 and then season 2. Your analysis is hitting all the right notes for me.

charlie

So many anime do 12 episode seasons now and I always feel like those weeks just fly by way too fast

Leah Henderson

I can believe other reactors would do that! In fact, I think we have the replay of Bjorn’s final scene at the start of this episode intentionally to make us empathize with Askeladd over Thorfinn for this duel in particular. He comes out of the scene looking much better for a reason! (Forgive my late response! I just got prescribed glasses and needed the weekend away from screens 😊)

icyfire

I realised how much Askeladd undersells how much Thors impacted him. He throws away his sword with his duel here with Thorfinn, just as Thors did on his last moments.

Ryuuji Gremory

The thing is Askeladd is very much majorly responsible for Throfinn falling deeper and deeper at every turn. He is the one that dragged him into that world and dragged him through hell since he was 6. At this point it's all Thorfinn knows, his hate and desire for revenge is all that has been keeping him alive for a decade. If he really felt that responsible and wanted to make things up to Thors and wanted him to become a man like Thors, he could have just made a trip to Iceland and thrown Thorfinn off the ship. Like even literally he could have taken him and throw him off the ship onto the land, when he was still so young that he would have absolutely no chance of doing anything against it. But actually going out of his way to do something positive for Thorfinns life without standing to gain something was too much.

Mickael Landry

At first, Askeladd sees Thorfinn as just a useful tool, a way to achieve his own goals. However, as their relationship evolves, Askeladd's view changes. Throughout the first season, he starts to see Thorfinn's potential and the burden of his struggles, which leads to a genuine sense of frustration and concern for the young warrior's welfare. This change in Askeladd's feelings underscores the emotional intricacy of their relationship, shifting from simple utility to a more profound and conflicted bond.

Mickael Landry

Furthermore, Askeladd appears to see in Thorfinn the representation of the heroic spirit that he himself does not possess. This longing likely drove him to maintain a close connection with Thorfinn, as he anticipated that the young warrior would develop into a figure akin to his father, Thors. However, as their relationship progresses, Thorfinn ultimately becomes yet another source of disappointment for Askeladd, not living up to the potential he had imagined.