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Early update for January 10, 2026 (Patreon)

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2026-01-09 04:55:01
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2026-10

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Andrea Andrew

Joyce had no reaction to being called bisexual.

Fart Captor

Panels three and four are one of my favorite things you've ever drawn

Logibear

That middle panel is the most Akido shit i've ever seen.

C

Every time I see someone get mad at Joyce, I wonder when they forgot that Joyce enjoys being a giant troll at times.

Crunchos cereal

I love Roz's face in panel four. Also Joyce's!

ArdieBea

Yeah, coz Robin would do so much better at teaching this class than... Roz? You know, I hadn't really contemplated the similarities between Robin and Joyce before, but yeah, they could both serve as brilliant comphet exemplars.

MP

Man. He knows someone who did this in college and was just as profoundly infuriating, huh. 😂

VengeanceKnight

Holy crap, can you draw the entire class? Like, draw out every single thing they say for the next 45 minutes or however long this class goes. I want to see this dynamic play out for weeks.

Corronchilejano

Your sister is most definitely not fucking.

Harold

@Crunchos cereal: An instant classic panel, for sure.

Logibear

Is Joyce to Bisexuality like the robots are to reality in Westworld "It doesn't look anything to me"

LupinThe8th

She literally can't hear that word, it just came in as a burst of static and audio feedback. That's why she looks perplexed in panel 2, she's wondering if Roz is having some sort of glitch.

Astariel

I second this!

Harold

A few people here predicted that Roz was going to be jealous that Robin got arrested at a protest. You called it!

Astariel

Honestly, Roz, that is pretty surprising. These two have a hilarious dynamic. I want more!

voyager-ngc5195

Certainly the queerest Abbott and Costello routine I've ever seen.

AE Gonzalez

“Who licked clit?” “First Base!”

AE Gonzalez

Joyce said it. To Roz. This pairing is gonna be gold.

Dmitri0240

Joyce's burn may be the funniest thing she's ever said, and the uncertainty on whether she intended it as such just makes it funnier.

Maude Reads Things

Well one of them is actually bi and one of them is actually a gender studies major so this might work out okay? Oh who am I kidding? This class isn't gonna learn fucking anything.

Gale Tazzin

"I can't watch Lord of the Rings because if there is One Ring it must be used to wed the church to Christ" lives in my head rent-free

Sajuuk-Khar

Whenever anyone says “bisexual” all Joyce hears is “stolen valor hussy” (Unless it’s about Dorothy, in which case she hears the singing of an angelic choir and beholds a glory about Dorothy’s golden locks)

Sajuuk-Khar

The “straight ally” line alone is fucking *chefkiss*, bravo Willis

Sajuuk-Khar

Au contraire! They’re going to learn a lot! About Joyce’s neuroses and Roz’s incredible sibling envy

5099 5618 v2.0

So, I heard a story about Diogenes the Cynic, once. I'm told he attended a lecture given by a philosopher whose topic was motion. Specifically, the lecturer argued that motion, itself, did not exist. Upon hearing this premise, Diogenes walked out of that lecture. I think I understand why he did so just a little bit better, now.

5099 5618 v2.0

@voyager-ngc5195 Well, you're young yet.

C.T. Phipps

It is a very easy mike drop.

David M Willis

really fought myself over whether i could use panel 1 as a preview panel

Dan Rabin

I think it's a running motif that people underestimate Joyce.

Dan Rabin

Joyce doesn't do things halfway, right? Once she's decided that she's not heterosexual, she's *all* the other -*sexuals.

5099 5618 v2.0

@Logibear Joyce (to Dorothy): "These violent delights have violent ends." (_meanwhile_) Joe: (/is lost in the maze)

5099 5618 v2.0

@VengeanceKnight Or maybe one extremely detailed splash page. Like a Last Supper kind of thing showing the state of the comic and the characters in a single illustrative moment. Bonus points if Walky has the flaming skull in-hand.

5099 5618 v2.0

@Dan Rabin Man, that sounds exhausting

Simon Magid

I want panel 4 as a poster with the words 'The Odd Couple' :)

Sajuuk-Khar

@5099: Having not seen Westworld (I should fix this) I am instead imagining a Hellraiser II situation Joyce (to Dorothy): But this is what you WANTED! You wanted to SEE! You wanted to KNOW! * * * Joe: *running, screaming, from a horrible flesh mass with a face protruding from its lower half*

Waifu Purplebutt

Joyce gayslpaining as a half-gay to a subject-expert is ironicly hilarious

EnterTheHero

Look at that smile. She definitely launched that with intent.

5099 5618 v2.0

@S-K ([Cenobite merger of Dorothy and Joe] to Joyce): "It is not hands that call out to us... It is DESIRE..."

5099 5618 v2.0

Man, I haven't seen Joyce this smug since she stole Dorothy from Dina.

5099 5618 v2.0

Walky. From Walky. (That's what I get for doing this while watching The Pitt)

Dan Rabin

5099 5618 v2.0: It's only exhausting if you don't chug two liters of Sprite every morning.

MiqoRems

Damn, she really swung HARD off the "I'm not a 'real gay'" side of the pendulum

Sajuuk-Khar

(God, I love that part so much. Top shelf.)

Sajuuk-Khar

In a way, though, she DEFINITELY did steal Dorothy from Dina, at least in the timeline where Dina and Dorothy were supposed to hook up after Dina dumped Becky

MiqoRems

Yeah, it's *Becky* that she stole from Dina. KIDDING KIDDING PLEASE DON'T HURT ME

CoreyWW

Can this just be a whole spinoff lol

Gwen R

Tbh being condescending to bi women sums up like 90% of tumblr discourse so Roz was taking solid notes. 😂

Rob McBobson

Hey, could somebody be an angel and explain this comic to me? Like, translate it to clearer speech instead of implied? Because I've often got trouble with implied speech, don't understand what they're saying here. I get what each individual sentence means, but I don't understand the dialogue. Like... How does Roz's last line relate to the rest of the dialogue? And I don't understand the line "You're doing your best as a straight ally." Is it meant as sarcastic praise? And if so, what's she implying?

tifani

Joyce is being condescending to Roz fully in that moment likely as a reaction to Roz correctly pointing out to Joyce that she’s bisexual not gay and that one night of sex with a woman does not make Joyce any kind of expert on a subject matter she admittedly barely paid attention to while taking the class. Joyce’s response to Roz was likely the result of a lot of mental gymnastics. She is still fully embracing her “gay now” attitude and is doubling down on it hard by acting like it grants her some kind of superiority. It’s an extension of her “what do you straights know” comment from before. So she rejects the bisexual word because she’s still not ready to deal with that and decided that Roz’s reaction here must be insecurity over never having had a gay experience (as far as she knows and I still find really hard to believe despite Willis word of god on her being straight Roz gives off heavy bi/nb vibes to me) so she gives the “straight ally” line which was guaranteed to piss off Roz and I think Roz storming off and saying that was just her going now that I’m mad again I’m going to take a second to remember something else I’m mad about. Or she’d rather be in jail than interacting with Joyce in this moment and feels like she should be considering she likely has actually opinions on what was being protested on and didn’t show up just to show up like Robin did. But I also think Joyce is very much reminding Roz of Robin in this moment.

tifani

I’m finding Joyce to be the condescending one here, not Roz.

Harold

@Simon Magid: "On a Monday in January, Joyce Brown was asked to remove her foot from her mouth and her head from her ass. That request came from Roz DeSanto. Can two women teach a gender studies class without driving each other crazy?"

Tessea

Wrong comic to apply that phase to. x.x

tifani

Joyce would actually be great to point out as an example of the extensions of comphet. Compulsory heterosexuality does also extend out to compulsory monogamy and monosexuality. Joyce has let go of parts of the idea but not the idea in its entirety. For her sexuality needs to exist in a binary so if she’s not straight she HAS to be gay (even if she admits the label doesn’t feel like it fits her) and she also HAS to be monogamously gay (the cheating becomes retroactively justified if she tells herself it was for true love and as long as she never talks to the other object of her desire ever again she can focus all her energy on the one she’s with). So if you bring up ethical non monogamy to her she leaves the conversation immediately to avoid coming back to for as long as she possibly can. If you straight up call her bisexual she dismisses it immediately and tells whoever said it that they are limited by their own perspective (did it first with Lucy and now doing it with Roz) and can’t offer any kind of insight on hers despite her own lived experience and clear desires telling her and us that they’re right. Joyce is determined to be way less complicated than she actually is ironically making everything way more complicated by doing this.

Simon Magid

I would watch the crap out of that show. <3

Rob McBobson

Huge thanks! But I still don't get why it would be insulting to tell someone straight that they're an ally, and that they're doing their best.

tifani

Basically it’s how it happens in the conversation. Joyce says she’s an education major so she should have no problems teaching this class . Knowing Joyce’s major is elementary education Roz points out correctly that she’s an expert on the subject matter that they’re actually being taught which is gender studies. Joyce gets defensive and says Roz can’t be an expert on homosexuality basically saying that because Roz is straight and Joyce had sex with a woman yesterday she has accessed some kind of special knowledge on this from that (despite admitting just last comic that Joyce ignored large parts of the curriculum she felt didn’t directly apply to her). Roz points out as a response to this Joyce is bi (because Joyce is bi) and having sex with a woman once doesn’t give Joyce any kind of special understanding in the larger scale implications of the subject matter. Just like how we’re not all suddenly experts on food chemistry because we ate a snickers one time. Roz has made this subject matter her entire thing. She’s studied the material. She actively navigates the world. She knows this shit. She’s likely gained a similar level of knowledge to it as Leslie given she taught the class in the past and got an A when she took it. I think Joyce also got an A but now that we know how much she actively did not take in I think Joyce was just good at giving the correct answers without offering evidence of internalizing it) She knows this better than Joyce. But instead of accepting that Joyce takes Roz pointing out the actual reality of the situation and calls it “lashing out” and THEN she says the shit about Roz “doing her best as a straight ally” basically implying Roz should feel some kind of insecurity compared to Joyce because of the lack of experience of lesbian sex. It’s not really a compliment. It’s like Joyce is treating Roz like a kid having a tantrum she needs to soothe about a situation Roz is objectively in the right about and Joyce is in the wrong. (I am speaking exclusively on teaching the subject matter as presented in the curriculum not what it means to be someone who has gay sex and doesn’t think on the deeper implications, history, or community beyond that versus someone who has immersed themselves in the culture for years and put intense study in it but has only had sex with the opposite sex. That whole thing you could write actual papers on I’m sure).

Albi

This is amazing, thank you for the breakdown. I *think* I know what's going on, but I like to be sure and see what other people are also thinking.

tifani

@albi you’re welcome :)

tifani

Also speaking on vibes and speaking on Roz am I the only one who gets non binary vibes from her( /them)? Like whatever Not Straight, Not Cis vibes people say Walky gives off I absolutely get from Roz every time she appears. I think it’s why I feel like coming to her defense so hard when she’s dismissed as a straight ally. I look at Roz and I am like “That is a she/they. I see myself in you.” I know Willis has called Roz straight but I really wanna ask @willis:….are we SURE about that?

tifani

Like I really have to wonder was Roz labeled as straight because the character themselves makes sense as straight or was Roz labeled as straight because in that moment it was more convenient for them to be labeled as straight? Like I think the first time Roz was explicitly called straight it was because she was in an argument with Leslie about judging someone over past homophobia. That someone being judged was Joyce in the wake of Becky coming out to her. Roz was like “Finally! A revelation!” But not willing to do that thing a lot of people seem to liked to do with Joyce which is extend her infinite patience. She had that “that was you!” moment when she called out all the times Joyce had been on the wrong side up until then. Joyce herself said Roz was right to do this and I think this is actually the origin story of me really wanting this friendship. I think they’d have a positive influence on each others growth) but Leslie got pissed about it because Roz wouldn’t shut up when Leslie asked her to and called her a straight girl ignoring a gay girl asking her to stop talking. I think in that moment a point was being made and the point would have been moot if Roz wasn’t straight. But that was a moment years ago. Does Roz still make sense straight to the canon? I would say no. I don’t think she did before and I even more so think less now. I think Roz reads as someone who other people write off as straight and who might have labeled herself as straight but if she really thought long and hard about it she might realize “wait….no I’m not.” And this would also make her and Joyce more alike than they realize and I think they are very much two sides of the same coin.

Rob McBobson

Additional, equally huge, thanks for the second explanation!

Dmitri0240

If Roz were actually the expert she thinks she is (and probably will be, some day) she wouldn't smugly and publicly assign Joyce to an orientation she has never self-identified as.

Shane Wegner

Further supporting your hypothesis is Joyce’s polarized current view of the only two options being Monogamous<—>Hussy with no partner-consented or community-recognized middle ground in between. I’m also with you that Joyce hasn’t yet even parsed her own lived experience, let alone enough to coherently convey meaningful insight to others. Joyce can’t detect it currently, but Roz has surely given 10x the thought and time reading (and and taking to heart) experts on this than Joyce has thus far. Huh. One other observation is, looks like the “nothing is real until it happens to me personally” (examples- abortion, loved ones getting deported, someone coming out as queer) viewpoint common enough to fundamentalist/MAGA types caught Joyce too on this one.

Shane Wegner

Headcanon read- “I could say ‘You know Joe’s dick has been inside of me’ right now and I’m consciously choosing not to.” I don’t know if Roz knows about their fling, cares, or would actually say something like that, but it might give Joyce’s bisexuality compass a spin.

Dmitri0240

Exhausting would be having everyone yell at you for not immediately finding the perfect label for yourself when you just realized you weren't straight 72 hours ago, were then immediately outed by the media, and are in the midst of a brand new relationship. She's been in love with Dorothy without realizing it for months now, and gets to actually explore that fully; it's perfectly reasonable that she's not particularly interested in thinking about her attractions to non-Dorothys. I get it, Joyce isn't real. But are people acting like it's the author's duty to have Joyce immediately identify as bi or pan so that she can function as instruction to the audience that bi and pan are valid orientations. And in some pieces of media, that might be necessary. But Dumbing of Age has multiple bi or pan characters; at least two other characters have already been shown having the very discussion people seem to demand of Joyce. When it comes to educating the audience, what more is there to say? This isn't a gender studies class. I'd rather see Joyce be Joyce, and navigate this matter in a way that feels right for her character. And honestly, feels reminiscent of some of my own friends' journeys out of the closet.

Waifu Purplebutt

"Oh honey, it's great that you *think* you know about [X thing], but as someone who (only just recently) became a member of [X thing] (which you are not a member of, despite having extensive knowledge about it), *I* am clearly more knowledgeable about [X thing], but thank you for being an ally to us [X thing]-people!"

MiqoRems

Honestly, I say let Joyce go ahead and take the lead. Either she surprises everyone and actually does a good job, or the crash and burn of the attempt might give her a little bit of a reality check.

MiqoRems

They're both being extremely condescending, Joyce is just both condescending *and* completely unversed in the subject matter

Harold

They're also going to learn that Leslie apparently gives "A" grades too easily

Jennifer Novelli

Big "Andrew tries to hijack Duke Ellington's story from him" vibes! LOL

Jennifer Novelli

On the other hand, Joyce is self-evidently bi to the point that people she's just met clock it immediately.

Harold

Can we please get a Tumblr hi-res of panel 4 after the strip goes live? Thanks in advance.

tifani

There is absolutely no way Joyce can handle this class on her own. She barely knows the material and definitely doesn’t have the necessary level of understanding to teach it. Maybe she’ll be okay if she’s just reading off Leslie’s notes (assuming they have them) but what happens the second someone asks her to elaborate on a concept? She can regurgitate the word for word explanation but she doesn’t GET the concepts. We got a literal example of this with her reaction to Ruth dating Jason. She’ll flounder and say something stupid or offensive or both. That being said Roz should absolutely let her do it. That line about ROZ being in over her head speaks to a level of self delusion that has to be answered for and Roz is fully within her rights to be like “Okay you wanna do this? Fine. Go for it.” Sometimes we need to be made aware of just how little we actually don’t know and that’s how growth happens. Go grab yourself a vending machine snack Roz. The five to ten minutes that should take should be just long enough for Joyce to get a very very very very necessary reality check. It’s like taking the training wheels off after a kid has been screaming at you that they don’t need them two seconds after they get their first bike. You take them off the kid wipes out because of course and then they get why they need the training wheels. You put them back on and then the actual learning gets to begin.

Dmitri0240

And if you ever met such a person in real life, and they identified as "gay", would you immediately say "no, you're bi"? And even if you would tell them that in private, would you announce that in front of an entire class of strangers? Personally, I have a huge soft spot for the "sincere, enthusiastic, and well-intentioned dope" trope. It's why Britta from Community is one of my favorite characters in media. And that's why I love this pairing so much; because they both fit this trope but in different ways. As their frontal lobes finish developing, I think both will grow into great people ready to do a lot of good in the world. But in the meantime, it's a comedy goldmine.

tifani

It’s an into class for freshman. As long as Joyce was actively participating and doing the assigned class work it would actually be pretty hard to fail by design. I also don’t think anyone was paying attention to just how little Joyce was actually understanding what she was being taught. This is a perfect example of how having a decent memory so you can pass the test and being able to regurgitate the right response when asked what something means isn’t an accurate insight into knowledge gained. That being said I think Leslie would actually be kind of horrified to know just how little sunk in with Joyce. But I don’t think that’s Leslie’s fault. This here is the end result of Joyce’s own lack of curiosity in this particular area and her particular habit of thinking that she gained a small amount of knowledge on something so that means she now understands everything and has nothing left to learn.

tifani

Is Joyce’s lack of curiosity about learning anything beyond the basics a home school thing or just her brand of homeschooling? I’m thinking on how she doesn’t seem to think of learning as an ongoing lifelong process which is why everytime she learns something new she decides she now knows everything she could possibly need to and she is actively resistant to the idea of there being more to learn about herself and the world at large. Like I don’t think this is an autism thing. There’s a resistance to change that comes with that and yeah gender studies clearly didn’t become a special interest but I do wonder if they way school was set up for her where you only need to know just enough because you’re going to be a house wife homeschooling your kids wired her to think of knowledge as this finite thing that you have to reach the point be of eventually. That could explain her view on gender studies as well as her view on her own sexuality and self understanding.

tifani

I really don’t think she was until this exact moment.

Kazo

Did you even GO to the protest, Roz?

5099 5618 v2.0

@Dmitri0240 Wait...I thought this *was* a gender studies class

Dmitri0240

I mean the comic itself isn't a gender studies class; Willis isn't teaching us the validity of bisexuality like it's a "very special episode" of a TV show, they're showing one character's messy journey to understanding their own sexuality. The comic already has a lot of bi characters, so if Joyce takes a while until she's ready to claim that label, the comic isn't being deprived of bi representation in the meantime. And if indeed she eventually does identify as such (as I agree is likely), that will illustrate that even within a given orientation there can be different perspectives and different paths. And if it turns out she isn't bi, that can be an important lesson that orientation isn't a set of diagnostic criteria that third parties can force others into. The world is full of people who identify as gay or lesbian despite having had one or two enjoyable and meaningful different-gender relationships in their younger days.