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What A Cartoon! - Pokémon "Here Comes The Squirtle Squad" With Kat Bailey (Patreon)

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2019-11-04 04:00:01
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We wanna be the very best on this week's podcast with special guest Kat Bailey (Editor-in-Chief of USGamer.net)! Yes, it's time for the original Pokémon series on What A Cartoon! We discuss the history of the original games, and then how master animators adapted it, and THEN how one localizer turned it into a stateside monopoly. Then we go analyze the Squirtle Squad's iconic first appearance for tons of fun. So, to protect the world from devastation, please listen now! 

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ShyRanger

So I'd be curious to know anyone in this Patreon who knew about Pokémon as an anime BEFORE the games. Because I did. I caught the anime a bit in (first episode with Charizard), and watched from there. The first video game commercials I saw for a while I thought "oh these are tie-ins tot he show." I think it was actually the first Smash Bros,, where I saw Pikachu with Mario and Yoshi, it finally hit me "oh, this is mainly a video game series."

Alex Irish

It is by great providence that this Patreon episode about the Pokémon anime posts the same day the Pokémon Sun & Moon anime arc ends in Japan, two weeks before the Pocket Monsters 2019 arc begins, ALL of which is part of the same 22 year continuity. Also wanted to interject to clarify the Eric Stuart thing. No one was fired for the “Leo Burnett” sneaky line in season 3, and the 4Kids cast wasn’t replaced until 2006, not 2004. 2006 was the year The Pokemon Company took the dub away from 4Kids Entertainment as part of taking all licensing back in-house (and partly to not keep paying 4Kids more money for their work). It was a trying time for fans like me sadly listening to sound alikes not doing that great of a job come season 9, but the “replacement” cast has come a long way since then.

SomeBloke

I'm simultaneously relieved this isn't the episode where Butterfree leaves but also kind of annoyed because I want a scorching hot Bob Mackey take on the emotional manipulation that I'm reasonably confident is occurring throughout it.

Bryan Hutchings

Pretty sure Poliwhirl was on the TIME cover because it's Taijiri's favorite Pokemon.

Kris

Couple of things I was around 9/10 when gen 1 came out i was the perfect age and totally got sucked into pokemania, got a copy of blue when it came out. though I'll say gen 2 is probably my favorite gen. It took gen 1 and expanded it Ash's power is the ability to ignore typing Oh my friend and I totally did the restart the game 6 times so we could both have all the starters, but squirtle has always been my favorite

Kris

Im 100% a blastoise person. Charizard is just a dragon... Blastoise is a turtle tank. ... Also fire and dragon are two of my least favorite types... Dragon was fine when they where rare but around ruby and sapphire when peoples entire teams where dragons

Kris

Bob is wrong, the 4kids one piece dub is a work of art

Kris

My frying pan is also a drying pan

Jacob Reed

As a younger listener, Pokémon is what defined my childhood. Christmas ‘99 I got multiple packs of the trading cards and Yellow for my Gameboy, and I was a PokeManiac until my early high school days. I collected cards, I had an automated Pokédex that had info on the first 150, and I played all the games (even the non-mainline ones) for the longest time, with Diamond being my last one. Of course, I also watched the anime religiously and had some episodes on VHS, and memorized the Pokerap to impress my friends at school. Speaking of school, I had a couple of likeminded friends who (since our cards and Gameboys were banned in my elementary school) would have Pokémon battles at lunchtime. Of course, with this being imaginary people were bound to cheat by pretending their Pokémon could dodge every move and never run out of PP. Yeah, Mark, I still remember what you did 15 years later...

Matt Fish

Pokémon might be one of the most fun anime experiences I had before school. Still going strong after 1,000 episodes has some gas in the tank as the sun and moon season becomes more of a fun gag anime. Love the designs of Jessie And James they look a whole lot like the Marbles from Pink Flamingos.

Devin Hoffarth

your talking about how anime was scrubbed of references to Japan reminded me strangely of Digimon. The dub of Digimon adventure got cut up and a bunch of names localized and music replaced like all other dubs of the time. But the characters in Digimon still referenced that they were in Japan. Which was the most mind blowing thing to me at the time. Like oh wow this actually takes place in Japan!?

Eve of the Stars

The Sun and Moon season was the only "arc" of the show that I watched from beginning to end. I remember dropping off of the original not long after it moved to Saturdays on WB, and from then on, for the next couple decades, I would briefly drop back in just to see how the show changed. From what little I've seen of the other seasons it feels like the show got kinda stale for a long time, until Sun and Moon put new life into it. I truly loved the latest season and am sad to see it go.

Frank Grimes

An Ace Attorney name drop. Woohoo! I'd argue that the original trilogy tried to keep it Japanafornia, but once it was Apollo Justice and on, they really stopped trying...instead of burgers it's noodles and such...but what's the most disappointing is AJ and on really stopped giving us those Punny names.

John Simon

The @OoCPokemon twitter account got me looking at the anime again - and it can be bizarre in places https://twitter.com/OoCPokemon/status/1186719933771796481 When I was in high school in 1998, I remember waking up at 6 AM to watch this show because it was the only Japanimation on broadcast tv. "This is weird and slowly paced and obviously meant for people Ash's age, but I need to see more." A year later I'm in my college's Anime club, and it's "Pokemon? That's just dumb stuff for babies; step up to the REAL stuff: Cardcaptor Sakura, on fansubbed VHSs!"

Joe Hodgson

Pokemon is such a throwback to 80s cartoons. It's a 19 minute commercial and it has perfected the model by literally having new characters to introduce every episode thanks to the size of the original Pokedex. I was in high school when the show premiered and had already experienced the game via translated ROMs since I had been hearing a lot about it. I thought and do still think they're great fun even if they are a bit like "Baby's first JRPG." The show I could not get into, which is fine because it wasn't geared towards me. My son discovered Pokemon this year and is really into it now so I've had to endure this show (including this episode) as he watches it. It's fine, certainly better than having to watch Paw Patrol, but I think you definitely need nostalgia goggles to truly enjoy it in 2019 which I just do not possess. As an additional observation, I promise to never label anything my kids like as a "fad" since so many of those IPs previously designated that persist. My son basically likes all of the same stuff I did growing up as these brands continue to persist. Pokemon is a great example of this as are the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, both things my kids presently consume in both old and new ways.

Cody C.

Oh, how I love Pokémon so so much, even still as a person in my 30s. And yet, when my headphones were on fairly loud and the theme came on during the podcast, I quickly cranked the volume down so I could hide my shame. Some wounds never go away, do they?

Dylan (batmanboy11) Freitag

The proposed original ending of a slave rebellion is fascinating to me, and that semi-uncomfortable aspect of Pokemon when you think about it too hard has come up in my mind before. I'd kind of like to see that explored somewhere, whether a comic mini-series or perhaps some rapidly new and different spin-off game entry. -- As a casual Pokemon fan who watched this show a LOT as a kid and had actual Pokemon cards (but strangely didn't play the games), this episode was super fun to hear a deep dive into the world, and hearing the old 4kids bumpers game me a bunch of flashbacks to stuff I haven't thought about in years

RoryDropkick

Talking about going to see the movie and feeling self conscious, here in town they were showing late night showings, so our anime club had a get together to go see the 9pm showing on one of the first weeks it was out, and the theater was surprisingly packed with kids and adults alike. I was pretty jazzed at that.

Jack Christmas

Ahhh, I knew it was only a matter of time before you covered this show, and you didn't disappoint! It's interesting how people's feelings about the anime have evolved over the years. When I was around 7 or 8 the cartoon was my way into the rest of the franchise, and I loved both the anime and the games massively, but by the time I was a teenager, the initial wave of Pokémania had passed, and although the games were still mainstream and at least acceptable in terms of coolness, the cartoon just felt like dumb kid's stuff that I was somewhat embarrassed to have liked when I was younger. But when I got to my late teens I wasn't so insecure, so was able to better appreciate the anime for the silly fun that it was, and enjoy rewatching it. I'm now so chill about it that I was comfortable going to see the "I Choose You!" movie in the cinema by myself. It was a great time. I'm also glad you mentioned the thing about the Netflix version cutting out "Who's that Pokémon?", because that frustrates the hell out of me. A few years ago I was determined to own the most complete, comprehensive versions of the Pokémon anime on DVD, and was seriously disappointed when I realised that the streaming/UK DVD versions of Indigo League included the Pokérap but not Who's That Pokémon?, and the earlier US DVD releases included Who's That Pokémon? but not the Pokérap... (and the Australian DVDs included neither somehow). So to that end, my recommendation to anyone else is: just watch the episodes on the Pokémon TV app. The versions on there include both extra segments, and the first 2+ seasons are available semi-permanently (the later ones are rotated). Plus they're in SD, which feels more right to me than the HD upscaled versions you get on Netflix and Blu-ray. Finally, just to make some overly pedantic clarifications ;-P - The dragon trainer Elite Four member Kat was talking about was Lance, not Drake. (Though there are 2 other Pokémon League Dragon trainers who are both called Drake, so this one's on Pokémon if you ask me.) - Brock totally is attracted to Officer Jenny as well as Nurse Joy, it just doesn't come up until later. He even sings a song about it! - Levels and HP really aren't a thing in the anime. There was even an episode around this time, "The School of Hard Knocks", where students at a Pokémon school were taught using a simulation that uses levels and HP like the games, but it's demonstrated in the episode that real Pokémon don't work that way. Maybe sometimes a character will say "That Pokémon is a higher level than Pikachu!" but they really mean that in the colloquial sense, that the Pokémon is just more experienced or better trained.

Christmas Ape

I've been a Pokémon fan since '98, after reading about it in the first issue of Nintendo Power I ever bought. That Nintendo Power included a comic made out of stills from first episode of the show before it premiered, and when they said that it would begin airing on TV at some point, I knew I had to see it, even though I had no idea how. I distinctly remember tuning in on a random Sunday morning and chancing upon the very episode I had just read about in the magazine—I was incredibly excited, and I kept watching the show for a good few years after that. Listening to you go through this episode made me realize how much of it I remembered, especially the out of place guns. Being a Squirtle booster, I of course thought the lead one's sunglasses were amazing, and I'm pretty sure I was drawing them in my school notebooks afterwards.

Kiefer Fulsom

Okay as much as I love the Gen 1 starters I always pick Bulbasaur and here's why, who you pick early in the game can also pick the difficulty level for the first 2 gyms when you're familiar why type matchups. Bulbasaur can plow through the first 2 gyms as they're Rock & Water and he's grass, Charmander is fire so does no do well against the 2 of them. And Squirtle can get you through Brock and but not necessarily mysti. That being said when I was a kid I did pick Charmander for both Blue and Leafgreen. That being said I always had the strategy to teach Bulbasaur Leech Seed, and Poison Powder for a good amount of damage in battles. Also how do you tell which Officer Jenny is which? Well look at their hats! Each Jenny's hat has a different insignia on the front and is actually clever on identifying them, and I think it's the same for Nurse joy too.

Andrew Grieve

This episode really took me back, when it debuted in syndication I was ready for Pokemon, having followed the game and the seizure controversy thanks to ample magazine coverage and those “Pokemon Power” zines that came with Nintendo Power for a few months. Still remember setting the premiere to record on Labor Day, and discovering that 4Kids played a clever trick and aired “Battle Aboard the St. Anne” instead, urging viewers that they’re going back to the beginning tomorrow and to find out what happens in a few weeks. I was hooked and set my VCR every day after that. The heart and emotional manipulation in some of these early episodes is interesting, they really pulled at the heart-strings related to Ash’s connection to Pikachu in this episode, which was a common theme in that Raichu episode and the Lavender Town arc. As much as I knew the characters would be fine, the thematic elements were there to remind you anything could happen..even though it never ended that way. This was probably my favorite episode of the season, just due to the the squad itself and their hold on a town, as well as the reconciliation between Ash and the leader of the squad leading to him joining the group. Totally not because Squirtle was my main in the game and one of my favorite Pokémon at the time. I’ll agree with the point above about this episode NOT covering the Butterfree episode either, because man, that episode really manipulated you between Butterfree’s struggle to find a mate and the whole musical piece at the end to send off the Pokémon. So much emotional manipulation you could write a case study on it.

Daryl Nathanson

While the Pokérap is fun, I think most people actually know the Japanese ending as well (Hyakugojūichi) as it was the music in Neil Cicirega’s first animutation.

Thad Komorowski

Only listened to the first half so far and enjoyed it. I was sucked into Pokemania in '99 and would rather that part of my life stay dead and buried. The TV show was junk but the seismic shockwaves it sent thru the business can't be understated. I do love the OG games and the Toshihiro Ono manga—though I'll never know how he got the gig with his hentai track record (take a look at how much Misty boobage/bare midriff got sanitized for the Viz localizations). Maybe for whenever the next video game cartoon episode is, you guys could cover "Super Mario Brothers: The Great Mission to Rescue Princess Peach!" Some of it is strangely poignant, and quite a few elements/tropes originate there, predating the actual games.

Gabrielle

Great ep! My first Pokemon experience was the cards. I lived near almost no other kids but my neigh or and I would walk to his house just to trade cards not even play. After hype at school I found the cartoon and later the games. Must add that eventually at my Catholic elementary school an assembly was held that banned Pokemon anything at school 😆

Graeme Black Robinson

I don't know why Brock wasn't fawning over Officer Jenny in this episode, but he is definitely in love with her in other episodes. He even sings a song about his inability to choose between Officer Jenny and Nurse Joy in the Johto League equivalent to the Pokérap: Pikachu's Jukebox. Speaking of Pokémon music, has anyone brought up Pokémon Live? It was a live (obviously) stage musical that toured in the U.S. I don't think it ever made it up here to Canada, so I never got to see it, but the whole thing has been uploaded to YouTube if you're curious.

Adam Esat

Amazing episode. I could easily listen to a Talking Pokemon podcast any day. It's weird because my first exposure to Pokemon was the anime, and if I recall it was the Dragonite Lighthouse episode, which was aired on SMTV (brits will know what i'm talking about). I instantly dismissed it as weird looking trash.. Then one day my friend lent me a US import of Pokemon Red for the weekend, and my obsession began. Begged my mum to get me Red and Blue for Christmas (in '99) and i've been a Pokemon fan ever since. I almost certainly wouldn't be living in Japan now if it wasn't that exposure. I have a few colleagues that have worked at OLM, but unfortunately my Japanese is still limited, but I'd love to find out more about working at that studio. Recent highlight was watching Ash/Satoshi finally winning league live on TV Tokyo here with my best friend with whom i bonded with over Pokemon.