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Phoenix_mercury

36:48 yup! Down south and same vibes over here🤣 What I'd love to see next ep is stolas talking to blitzø about whatever Vas and him talked about without prompting, showing blitzø that he's willing to be open and isn't hiding anything from him, after all a dinner to catch up with an old classmate, friend and teenage fling doesn't necessarily mean anything automatically, especially as stolas at minimum has changed since they last spoke and Was likely has too

Martin E Melcher

Said this in Elijah's comments as well in her reaction but ill say it hre too. I do think, emotionally, Vassago would be good for Stolas, but I dont think theyd work physicaly as Vassago strikes me as one who'd be more gentle and uncomfortable with how....intense.....Stolas can get Also, Vassago did just spend 100 mill, so dinner at least would make sense, though I agree, another day, after a conversation with Blitz

jessie H

Vasago could be good for Stolas. His first healthy relationship, but Stolas should have accepted the dinner invitation for another day. Vasago is a good boy, and means well, just doesn’t know the situation fully He and Blitz agreed to be friends, but thanking someone for risking their life over a text, is just awful. When Blitz confronts Stolas about this, he will 1,000% be valid.

Sarvis

Yeah, my one hangup is that Stolas should've at least talked to Blitzø in person...But Blitzø miiiight have also crashed out on him again if he had. But yeah, Stolas is single, and definitely free to at least grab dinner with Vassago.

Sarvis

Hear me out: Stolas and Vassago are immortal, but Blitzø isn't. So Stolas spends Blitzø's lifetime with him, and then gets with Vassago after, until the end of time. That, or just polyamory. I'd love that.

Rumi_ran

I feel bad for Stella.

Xdrajco

At first, I was a bit angry with Stolas, too, but after giving it some thought, I think he simply followed his heart—doing something he hadn’t done when Vassago confessed his feelings to him. That said, Stolas completely brushed Blitzo aside, which still annoys me, especially since their relationship had been built up over the previous two seasons and finally seemed to be heading in the right direction in the last episode. Even though they both opened up about what was on their minds—making it clear that they do have feelings for each other—their love still isn’t as strong as that of Millie and Moxxie, or Fizzarolli and Asmodeus. They’ve been through both good times and bad together, but I just can’t bring myself to be angry at Stolas for having an open heart toward both Vassago and Blitzo, given that both of them have done a lot for him. At least, that’s how I see it.

Iago24

Honestly, the way Stella has been presented throughout the show, she no longer seems simply stupid, but genuinely mentally challenged. She can't think two steps ahead of where she's going, she can't keep track of simplest things. It doesn't even seem so much that she doesn't care about Octavia's birthday, but that she can't manage to prepare for anything that happens in the future. In spite of her grating and abusive personality, that aspect of her is starting to feel pitiful. No wonder she's constantly lashing out if she is that lost all the time while surrounded by the cutthroat Goetia politics.

Jexz

I feel for blitz, and Stolas does have problems. But for character growth and such, i do believe it's important that the charcaters get to grow on their own without the regard of "Will they, won't they" and thei effection they have for one another. The best representation to help explain what i'm trying to say is the yuri manga "How Do We Relationship". It's realistic and angsty, but represents growth and maturing after hard times. While it's disappointing that it's not going to be now, Stolitz is endgame by confirmation. i do think that it's best they get to find themselves without revolving /involving what they do around the other person, especailly Blitzo. While he doesn't have to let go of stoliz, he needs to learn it it's like to heal without the motivations of pleasing stolitz or getting closer to being with him. They both need to find themselves and grow into better, more mature and new people. Learn better things. Even though it would be away from each other, they would be growig to be healthier people for each other later, then they could re-learn the new them and start again from there.

Ryan

If you can't remember your birthday, you either celebrated too much, or not enough. If it's the former, you can always read the police report. The only thing you need to remember is "make the plan, execute the plan, expect the plan to go off the rails ... throw away the plan!" Yes, it's a heist episode, but the heist is Vassago stealing Stolas' heart.

Willow 404

Listen to meee if Stolitzago has no fans I am DEAD. I know it's not gonna happen but I am manifesting polyamory

Willow 404

Ohh you much such a good point about the immortality, I think that'd be neat!

Willow 404

Not to mention the fact that her brother seems to have controlled so much of her life for so long (the planners were listening to him over her for HER wedding?), not that this excuses or condones her abuse in ANY WAY but it makes sense she turned out the way she did with Stolas since he was likely the only person that didn't have the spine to talk over her for years and she latched onto that small bit of control

Suplee215

I think its more a extreme case of learned helplessness. Stella is the only female Goetia we see and she is treated extremely poor. No apparent schooling and there is always a man there to make decisions. Thats a common abusive family dynamic. They just expect her to sit in the house and make babies. Nothing else.

Suplee215

I think people are jumping the gun in assuming Stolas's intentions here. And honestly Blitz need to let go of his jealous nature a bit. Did he help Stolas to help him or to be the big gesture that get them back together? He got a reason to be annoyed and feel disrespected for sure. But for all we know Stolas figured out that Blitz is the one he wants and he is giving Vassago a in person conversation for the rejection

Mirdo

A lot hangs in how the dinner goes. If during it Vassago wants it to progress to something more, Stolas HAS TO put a stop on it. Vassago did throw a lot of money away for him and Stolas only said he was ready after he got a confirmation, so.. we'll see.

Maurice Isaac

Nope, Stolas has literally never mentioned Vassago prior to this episode. It frankly feels like a retcon that he had this friendship/potential romance with him while last season tried to convince us how depressingly lonely his life was before reuniting with Blitz. It kinda diminishes how attached he was to Blitz when he apparently had Vassago as an option this whole time.

Maurice Isaac

They showed him deleting the Safeword app, signifying that he was now interested in finding a real relationship in Vassago.

Suplee215

That is a fair interpretation of that and probably the intended one. But it could easily be a writer fake out. His time with Vassago could make him realize he wants Blitzo and is ready for that because here's Vassago offering him the workd and he still thinking of Blitz. We cannot know until next wednesday

Tgriff02

That sounds cute but I feel like it would still be cruel to Blitzø, especially if it were planned out. I just imagine that his insecure self would just constantly feel like Stolas was just waiting for him to die. Plus, Stolas is JUST getting out of his cage of having every major decision in his life planned out for him. Feels like a step backwards. Although, if it happened organically, that would be different. Polyamory is good.

Tgriff02

I think one point that a lot of folks aren't considering with Stolas is how sheltered and isolated his life was. Every major decision kf his life was planned out by someone else, almost the moment he was born. Almost everything that he has experienced and felf since the series began, he is experiencing and feeling for the first time. All the relationship decisions and choices that he's made (and making) are the first ones he's ever had to make. Most folks figure this shit out in middle and junior highschool, Stolas is having to do it as a crash course NOW, on the spot. Yes, he is absolutely making poor choices, but it's very realistic. And he's gonna HAVE to make those choices or he's gonna stay emotionally and empathetically stunted for eternity.

Tgriff02

10:48 Not Mosco suggesting Blitzø get horn enhancement procedures XD

Maurice Isaac

Even if he does realize he wants Blitz later, the fact remains that he currently wants to try being with Vassago.

Suplee215

Why are you making that up? There is no statement of that. He agreed to a dinner. Again thar is your interpretation. Not a direct mentionb

Paw-Paw

Vasago had some great gatsby level pining there. Also he locked in so fast when Stolas said the locket belonged to his mother.

Tristan N Milner

Looks like you've moved in with Elijah, so when the wedding and who's officiating? As for this episode, I will happily take Andrealphus and Stella over that shark guy and the snake themed c*** any day of the week. Octavia's 18th birthday celebration is going to be either the mid season finale or the season finale. Glad to see Blitzo's fame affecting him in the field, for good and bad. Stolas, wow. He's certainly got some choices to make in the very near future. Vassago might be healthier for Stolas long term. 35:40 Considering the scene before showed them graduating in full robes in front of their families and friends, Andrealphus saying Stolas "Debuted", and Stolas mentioning their responsibilities, they're easily BOTH adults when Crimson Sky starts playing.

Sarvis

I don't imagine it as planned, just that Vassago seems like the kind of person who will help Stolas mourn after the loss. And things slowly develop organically from there.

RaisedEyebrow

Haven't seen ep 6 yet. But whether Stolas decides to "go" with Visago, I think his deleting if the Safeword App was more a symbolic gesture that he accepts he doesn't need to be punished anymore. The fact we have a scene in the Season 3 trailer between Blitzø and Fizz still suggests less-than-smooth sailing...

John

something like 30 states in the US you are of age at 16 so its not like its that foreign and some states you can drink with your parents permission at 18 that ones more rare though but not like most people don't drink at 18 anyway but I do get where you are coming from and I do think this is basically a coming of age ceremony for them.

Maurice Isaac

Why else would he delete the app in that moment, if not expecting things to possibly go beyond just dinner?

Suplee215

I already explained its possible he has decided he is ready to be with Blitzo now after all that and not Vassago. Stolas's plan could be have dinner with Vassago and explain the situation then go home to Blitzo and let him know he is ready.

Annieme

i think... i'd like vassago and stolas to date so stolas can know what a good, healthy relationship is like. and also, after its run its course, know what a good, healthy breakup is like.

Jared Bichler

So, obviously, Octavia's 18th birthday will be a big thing. It'll probably be in the 2nd half.

Jared Bichler

Mortimer was more a father to Stolas than anyone

Jared Bichler

Stolas didn't talk about Vassago because he didn't want to think about what could've been.

Jared Bichler

Most of Hell thinks Blitz was just Stolas's pawn.

Tristan N Milner

Vassago first appeared in Season Two's penultimate episode Mastermind. Given what happened at that televised trial, and the finale, it is 1000% understandable that Stolas forgot about Vassago.

Lydia-the-insane

I dont think thats true at all, we know Stolas never talked to Vassago again after he turned down his love confession because Vassago said its been 20 years and Vía is only 17, about to be 18. Its clear that Stolas was unhappily living his life, content to be miserably married to Stella, and then he met Blitz again and that changed him, made him realize that maybe he could be happy because the one thing that was required of his marriage was soon to be 18.

Lydia-the-insane

I think its gonna be the halfway finale tbh, we haven't seen the clip of Octavia in a dress that was in the trailer and we know everything in that trailer will be in this half of the season so I think the next episode is going to be Stolas realizing hes ready to be with Blitz, and asking Vassago to help him get into Via's party, and then I think Stolas is going to sing the song that he sings in the trailer to Via

Lichen

Holy shit, So Cold mention??? Tbh personally I think it could be very interesting if Vassago is the one that calls out Stolas on some of his shit, sooner rather than later. You’re the first person I’ve seen mention that Vassage doesn’t seem like the type that would swoon at Stolas’ behavior. I really don’t want a twist villain thing with him cuz it feels so easy that it veers into being cheep. I really like his character, and I also don’t think having a queer Latinx character being secretly predatory would be a good choice. It’s a lil frustrating (from a character perspective, not the writing) that the entire plan hinged on Stolas causing enough distraction so as to stall the auction long enough for Blitzø to get the locket and get out. If he’d played his part, the whole thing might’ve worked without Vassago needing to play the hero again. I’ve always liked Stolas despite my frustrations and want to see his growth, but at this point I wonder and might not mind if Stolitz isn’t endgame; would certainly subvert expectations ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Might be better off as a cautionary tale… I know the writers have supposedly confirmed that they will be but they could absolutely be lying. Idek

Maurice Isaac

That feels like a stretch after he just saw what Vassago wrote in his journal. If he had meant to delete the app for Blitz, he would've already done it after episode 4, not after meeting up with another romantic option. While Blitz initially came up with the plan, Vassago was the one who came through for them in the end.

Suplee215

You seem extremely sold to your interpretation. Which is fair but not as objective as you are selling it. Its still a case of not knowing what stolas is doing for sure. Weiters could be purposefully deceiving

RanoPano

We need to revoke the rights to the word "retcon" until we've advanced as a society to understand what that word means.

Geass

I'm also dyslexic and can never remember Andrealphus's name. I have to look it up each time.

Phoenix_mercury

I don't bother 🤣 he's Andy now(plus it'd probably piss him off so🤣🤷)

Phoenix_mercury

She's visiting, with family iirc, not staying permanently

Phoenix_mercury

Yeah it'd be jarring af for stolas to have said no to dinner after everything Vas just did

Arcanity

The show is pretty up front about its Telenovela influences so Vassago as the rival suitor with several associated tropes felt natural to me. Semi-related “it’s hard to pick up on the body language” is a funny forest for the trees reading of Vassago finding an excuse to be conveniently sexy and shirtless around the swooning protagonist.

ShadowLightMew

Vassago if i'm not mistaken, birds aren't my forte but i believe he is a Macaw, very clever large Parrot species.

ShadowLightMew

I kinda like both ships but still team Blitzo

Patneu

What I find really interesting is that for all that you say what Stolas did here seriously pissed you off, it is provoking nowhere near as visceral a reaction as literally screaming at your screen repeatedly for Charlie to snap out of it when she wasn't listening to her girlfriend in an otherwise mostly healthy relationship and the conflict wasn't resolved within 5 minutes, while watching this burning trash fire right here has basically been nothing but(!) that and going on for more than 2 seasons now and shows no signs of burning out anytime soon and every single thing that Stolas and Blitzø did to each other is like a thousand times worse. I think that really goes to show how what characters actually do matters far less for what the fandom will let them get away with than what the baseline expectations for their behavior would be and how their actions relate to that.

Cody Schultz

Visago is unproblematic and kind, the exact opposite of Blitz and Stella respectively. I don't blame Stolas one bit for considering it.

OnTheSpectrum7342

Vassago just spent over 100 million to get Stolas' locket (and journal), so dinner is probably the least Stolas could do. It was not said anywhere that this dinner was a date, obvious mutual attraction aside. Next, Sitri (the cat-like demon with a few speaking lines) was voiced by Joel Perez, aka the voice of Valentino from Hazbin. But, the even bigger surprise for me was that Vassago was voiced by Harvey Guillén, the voice of Perrito from Puss in Boots: The Last Wish! Third, and mostly so this comment seems unbiased in the Stolas/Blitzø situation: you can tell how badly that ending hurt Blitzø, not just by how he reacted, but if you pay attention, his response to Stolas is grammatically correct, which I think is a first for him. To me, that implies that he really had to think about what he was typing so he wouldn't blow up at Stolas, which does make it hurt. But, on the flip side, "rectifying" things does not mean they're back together. Stolas said it himself: he wasn't sure if he could fully fall back into a love he had tainted so badly. With Vassago, nothing has been tainted there (yet). I don't know how I feel about the whole situation, or whose side I'm on, but at the moment at least, Stolas and Vassago seem in a much healthier place than Stolas and Blitzø...

Maurice Isaac

How is it not a retcon? We were led to believe from episodes like The Circus and Apology Tour that Stolas never had any genuine connections or positive relationships growing up with anyone besides Blitz, and now we have Vassago, who Stolas not only had a stronger friendship with than Blitz, but who had also actually loved him back. It basically makes his fixation on Blitz not make as much sense when there was always someone else he was far more compatible with.

iKirbeeburgr (edited)

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2026-10-29 05:00 Vasago is not mentioned or shown in any episode until the Mastermind trial in season 2. Stolas never talked about him, but where it would have been relevant before now for Stolas to bring up his mutual crush on his former classmate? And to who, Blitzø? Also they never said Blitzø was Stolas’ only crush, just that he was Stolas’ “first ever friend”
2026-10-27 09:23 Vasago is not mentioned or shown in any episode until the Mastermind trial in season 2. Stolas never talked about him, but where would it have been relevant before now for Stolas to bring up his mutual crush on his former classmate? And to who, Blitzø? Also they never said Blitzø was Stolas’ only crush, just that he was Stolas’ “first ever friend”

Vasago is not mentioned or shown in any episode until the Mastermind trial in season 2. Stolas never talked about him, but where would it have been relevant before now for Stolas to bring up his mutual crush on his former classmate? And to who, Blitzø? Also they never said Blitzø was Stolas’ only crush, just that he was Stolas’ “first ever friend”

iKirbeeburgr

Also to be fair, while Blitzø and Stolas did make up from their fight in the previous episode, but they didn’t get back together, it still ended with Stolas saying he still wasn’t ready to be in a relationship with Blitzø because of the guilt, and Blitzø promising to be more mature moving forward to at least keep Stolas in his life, so as much as it sucks for Blitzø that Vasago stole his thunder, it probably wouldn’t have changed how Stolas already feels about him

Maurice Isaac

Welp, according to the newest episodes, I was right on the money. Sometimes, a cigar is just a cigar.

Suplee215

No You're still wrong in that it had to be this way. Yes this time the cigar just turned out to be a cigar. The point i made wasnt that its not a cigar. My point was that we didnt know what it was. Being correct on faulty logic doesn't justify the faulty logic. i didnt take any position on what qas in the box. Just that we didnt know and gave other possibilities. And that is still true

Momo

Yeah it's not retcon but def weak writing. But I don't think any functioning adult watches this show for it's "good" writing lmao.

Alyssa Hopkins

As much as I ship Stolas and Blitz and love them... Stolas doesn't owe Blitz shit and if he did the roles have just reversed for them. They are not currently in a relationship and agreed to be friends and more mature about their disagreements going forward. Stolas is fully allowed to try dating Vasago and Blitz's opinion on that matter doesn't matter :/ Obviously Blitz is completely valid to be in his feels and upset about it, but Vasago is allowed to shoot his shot since Stolas is single and Stolas is allowed to accept or reject. Again... BLITZ IS ALLOWED TO FEEL THE WAY HE FEELS ABOUT IT, but... I don't get the anger about Stolas wanting to try something else

Maurice Isaac

If it contradicts what was previously established, it's a retcon.

Someday Sera

Honestly...I kind of like paring stolas and vassago, I know we all want and expect blitz and stolas to end up together but...this is good too.

Someday Sera

technically, vassago is actually in the old hazbin pilot, both in the group shot of all the overlords when vaggie is telling angel about alastor, and in a crowd shot somewhere during the interview with katie. But otherwise, yeah, I don't think he was a voiced character till mastermind.

Someday Sera

agreed, vassago seems great, but I need Via and Loona to be sisters dammit!

Someday Sera

he's actually in the hazbin pilot too, no voiced lines, but he's directly above rosie in the big group shot of overlords. (and i'm fairly certain he appears in a background shot somewhere too)

Someday Sera

probably, but i also suspect we'll get season 3 of hazbin in the interim, and the events of that may influence part 2 of hb, whether that's lilith coming back, roo emerging, an imp uprising or...what have you.

Someday Sera

honestly, I can only imagine how hard legally moving to the us would be right now, even if they got married, especially considering it's Florida. If that happens, I imagine it'd be 2029 at the earliest. (and really elijah should move to scotland, it's so much nicer than florida) Periodic long vacations back and forth is probably the way to go for now.