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Guest: Stephen Rabe, historian

Recorded: March 18, 2024

We talk to historian Stephen Rabe to recover the lost history of how the CIA wage a dirty war in Guyana, using US labor unions to pit the country's blacks against Indians, wrecking the country for decades to make sure that its popular leftist politician, Cheddi Jagan, was kept out of power.

Buy Stephen Rabe's book U.S. Intervention in Guiana. Also check out his latest bestseller, The Lost Paratroopers of Normandy.

*Music break by Brendon Anderegg (check out his group Mountains here).

Images:

*Map

*Cheddi & Janet Jagan

*Cheddi and Janet Jagan, 1992 after winning Guyana's presidency

*Cheddi Jagan meeting with JFK, 1961. After the meeting, JFK ordered the CIA to destroy Jagan and Guyana.

*JFK's plan put into action

*First reports leak to New York Times of CIA using US labor unions to stoke Guyana's race riots

*Forbes Burnham and his benefactor

*Comrade Leader Forbes Burnham (right), and Rev. Jim Jones (left)

*Forbes Burnham's tomb

Total time: 1:30:14

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Ger Tobin Art

Man I was getting worried. Can’t wait to listen!

LPO Crane Jefferson

I've been waiting for my war nerd fix, this looks like a good one.

William

I think the American innovation to world hegemony was that unlike britian, it didn’t need to do traditional land grabs and claim lands, if there were countries that could be controlled by corporate interests instead. If Exxon can control the government of Guyana there’s no need to take control of the land

Josephus Franks

Though I think Britain started in that direction in Latin America, or I'm drawing too much from the movie Burn!/Quemada

a clash of purple

The British controlled India through the East India Company for over a hundred years, up until 1858 when they formed the Raj instead. They invented this method, and they did it far better than the Americans.

William

“I need fake votes to save democracy!”

William

The EIC isn’t the same as Exxon is today. I actually can’t think of any commonalities- for one thing, the modern corporation doesn’t claim sovereignty over any land it extracts oil & gas on whereas the EIC was the default governing body in some areas of the subcontinent. Also, in what way could any government nationalize Exxon like the crown took over EIC possessions in India? Are they the same because they were/are joint-stock companies? Also a pretty weird thing to be proud of - “England the best colonizers. Simple as”

Ander Pierce

Great episode! Didn't appreciate the guests habit of jumping in while you guys were mid sentence but nonetheless he was a pleasure to hear from.

a clash of purple

When I say they "did it better" I don't think it's anything for them to be proud of. They were simply more competent in administrating their evil empire, that's all. Frankly, I'd say that, in a just moral world, most of England's wealth would be seized and expropriated back to Ireland, India, China, Africa, the Americas, etc., and the English ruling class all thrown into a deep dark hole in the Hague. Anyway, there's of course significant differences between East India Company and modern corporate rule. I think they've refined those mechanisms of governance to some extent. Also, when it comes to America, the balance of power between private corporations and the government is vastly in favor of corporations, unlike the British Empire. So it's not a one-to-one comparison, but I don't think the idea of using corporations to rule colonies can rightly be called an American innovation.

John Waaben

This isn’t a new observation at all, but It’s so grim to learn that during the Cold War all these global attempts to build center-left governments just get crushed underneath the weight of US+NATO and the USSR (much more NATO).

Eli Burnes

✋but sir I lament the collapse of the Soviet Empire!

Dipster

Listeners who have read the book—does it go into Jonestown at all? I guess that topic is outside of the scope of US influence in the region

Patrick Link

But I thought JFK wanted to end the Cold War?!?!?!?!

Leo Silverstein

> episode about imperialism in guyana > posts propaganda map showing half of guyana gobbled up by venezuela

Tyler Berglund

Great episode, I listened to it twice. Its got me really interested in what Venezuelas perspective is on their land claim. I’d like to hear analysis from Ben Norton or Max Blumenthal, but they don’t really cover Venezuela anymore.

David Andrews

For my first few episodes I thought Mark was saying "I'm the coast". This was confusing. :) Another great topic and excellent guest.

Kendall

Space Cohost from Ghost to Coast 🤷‍♀️

Backofhouse4

lol I thought you called yourself “the ghost” for years

Dorst Savijeski

With the German scenario planning zoom call not clicking on the encryption button, I think they wanted to be fired. Conor McGregor used to be gay thats why needed the trt. Heard it here first trt fixes it.

Matt Henry

This was a great episode, interesting guest

Mark Ames

I think he meant no east europeans lament it, though I'm not sure that's entirely true, at least not from the polling in the 1990s that I recall (a significant minority of olds lamented the collapse of socialism)

Mark Ames

posting today! the customer is always right!

Mark Ames

On the coast of the Erie Canal

hence therefore

Terrific episode. Please change the inaccurate map you've got in this post though! Those are not the current borders

hence therefore

My main knowledge about Guyana before this episode is that it's part of the West Indian cricket federation, most recently contributing the exciting new fast bowling talent of Shamar Joseph to the Windies' Test cricket side

Steve Mathews

Why does Rabe keep saying it's sexist to believe that Cheddi was controlled by Janet? Racist, maybe, but sexist?

Flipswitch

Really fantastic episode. Great guest.

Simon

Great episode.

Logan Ausherman

trope of the controlling schemeing wife i suppose?

Logan Ausherman

i gotta say when i listened to this episode i didnt come away with much respect for Cheddy. the guy sounds like a naive mark that lacked any kind of political skill outside of left liberal populism.

Mark Ames

fixed that, I blame venezuelan active measures

Jim Vail

The worst disaster since Soviets invaded Hungary? I guess that's why he publishes a lot of books here.