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Radio War Nerd EP #402 — Israel-Gaza War Update #2 (Patreon)

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2023-10-10 00:31:13
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Recorded: October 9, 2023

Brief-ish update on the third day of the Hamas-Israel war...

*War Mapper map of Hamas incursions into Israel as of today, October 9:

Total time: 52:12

Direct link to this episode's mp3 here 

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J. A.

I'm gay and my dick is small

ploob

Don't be so hard on yourself Ilya

J. A.

I'm trans. Don't worry bb.

Erik

Hell yeah dude

CE

Raiders game on with RWN over the audio

Alex Muir

The Israeli intelligence failure & Hamas's "opsec" or whatever you call it are just astonishing. Your remark that apparently Egyptian Intelligence did know something was up and informed Israel accordingly but Bibi & Co didn't pay much attention because they're fixated on the West Bank and establishing settlements there makes a lot of sense to me - the Neo-Liberal mindset did its job - after all, there's a lot more money to be made in new housing developments than in being a prison guard at the largest concentration camp in the world - I bet they tried to cut costs as much as possible. The Tech Bros persuaded the Govt that electronic surveillance could do the job more effectively and more cheaply, so Shin Bet's human intelligence budget was shrunk & whole networks of snitches were laid off...

William

I think the troubling thing is what leeway this attack gives Israelis, in their minds. What do they feel justified in doing next and what do they feel the public supports them doing. Mobilizing 300k.. would they feel justified in wiping Gaza off the map? God forbid they do

Jimmy B

cmon man this is RWN not another pod, show some respect

J. A.

Pop quiz hot shot, they were gonna do it anyways.

qjkx

does warmapper have a gaza page? I didn't see it

Ilya Fishman

Wait. Around min 23. Are RWN saying that HAMAS opened fire on the ravers BECAUSE there were security guards who were shooting? Are you implying that HAMAS needed an excuse to open fire or that the Israelis provoked them? Lmao

Nico

There used to be a whole series of tunnels running under the Gazan-Egyptian border. They sprung up after the blockade started in 2007 and I suspect they're still an important lifeline for the Gazan economy. Israel knows they exist. Egypt knows they exist. But, in addition to entrances on the Egyptian side likely being hidden inside basements, I never got the sense that Egypt (or even Israel) was very committed to eradicating them. My guess is that, by somewhat turning a blind eye to the tunnels, Egypt (and maybe Israel) can claim to be tough on allowing imports to Gaza while tacitly allowing the black market to meet a lot of demand from within Gaza. This might act as somewhat of a buffer against the blockade, keeping the situation inside from getting too desperate. Egypt has to walk a fine line between meeting cooperating with Israel and causing outrage among its own citizens. I recall even that, several years ago, Palestinians knocked down part of the barrier along that border and spent days (weeks?) freely moving and trading across it before Egyptian authorities rebuilt it. I'm not sure how big a role Israel plays in Egypt's border policy, but it might suit them for the tunnels to remain as a kind of informal pressure release valve. And for all the surveillance and intelligence capacity that Israel has, keeping track of everything moving through an underground black market that supplies over 2m people might not be feasible anyway. Additionally, I think these rockets are mostly built with dual-use materials like fertilizer, steel, ball bearings, etc, that you couldn't permanently bar from entering because they're necessary for the basic functioning of a society, even one as impoverished and besieged as Gaza's.

Scott Patrick

2017 cum town ass material. go away.

BryceSprungstein

no they're not saying that, they're saying that there are all sorts of things that could have happened. I don't know how you heard that.

Cole

John, I often think of your line about the British soldier beating up an Irishman, kicking him when he's already down and whispering into his ear, "We will never forgive you for what we've done to you." Turns out, with Palestine, you need three actors in on this. Europe will never forgive Palestinians for what Europeans did to the Jews

Will Newberry

No one saw a large scale Hamas offensive coming and he's saying it doesn't bode well for Gaza (and all Palestine) now that Isreal's psycho hardliners have a clear green light to go at them. "they were gonna do it anyways" downplays how crazy this all is

PostmasterFenian

I think i half remembered that the IDF used M113s. Probably the biggest suprise for me of this recent offensive though is seeing those things trundle around the screen. Thought the IDF had all gucci equipment but apparently not. I guess when a certain portion of your budget has to be earmarked for brutalizing refugees you cut corners in some regards.

Niklas Krogerus

I'm a bit late to my patriotic duty here ("Suomi mainittu"), but who's the Finnish OSINT guy mentioned in the last episode?

Justin

Please keep these episodes coming!

Jonathan Penn

Just listened to this most recent update (well done and balance in my opinion, for what it is worth). Given the current Israeli government, given the depth and extent of their intelligence failure, I see a response that will be genocidal in all but name. Gaza will be "rolled up"- squads will be landed by helicopter on taller buildings, the buildings then being cleared from the top down, and the IAF blowing the building down after the clearance operation. These building clearance operations will happen simultaneously with assaults all along the perimeter of Gaza with the cleared areas bulldozed and left uninhabitable. The US won't say or do anything to stop or slow such clearance operations, given Biden's electorally weak position. Ultimate result? An even more impoverished, more abused Palestinian population living in an even smaller, less functional ghetto, an even more right leaning, truculent Israeli government, and even less chance for any abiding accommodation between Palestinians and Israelis. Remember when the US invasion of Iraq was supposed to lead to a more peaceful Middle East? Another "oopsie" there.

William

No shit JA; my question is, previously they were committing genocide on a much longer timeline. How much shorter does that timeline get as a result of these attacks? Are they emboldened to do it in months rather than decades, now?

AG

I really look forward to your show. You give me a perspective I don't get anywhere else and also I get excited when I see the notification of a new episode.

AG

Wrong chat dude

Ilya Fishman

Someone needs to break up the monotony.

Ilya Fishman

Dick-ridin Hamas so hard. Anyone who has been on telegram knows that the Radwan forces from Hezbollah and various HAMAS/PIJ channels have been putting out videos showing exactly THIS type of attack was coming. Iran preceeded it with a cyber attack.

Ilya Fishman

They had 75 years to do it. Didn't do it. But yeah they were going to do it anyway. Lmao

Doug Cartel

naturally the online discourse is hilarious, as far as I know Hamas hasn't moved one inch from their ideological positions since the days when they were colluding with Shin Bet against the PLO, but that hasn't stopped twitter nerds from trying to figure out which strand of marxist revolutionary thought Hamas is supposedly embodying. Do Palestinians even support them on any level more complicated than needing a vent for all the repressed rage they have after decades of abuse and misery at the hands of the psychos running the IDF?

Colemanonymous

hamas is all they have. the only organization standing up to their oppressors. people will embrace fundamentalists when there is no where left to turn. israel and the US hold all the cards here, there is no perfect response to apartheid oppression.

Demented Avenger

You want real idiot takes, check out Michael Tomasky in TNR writing about how obviously Hamas wants Trump back in power

PostmasterFenian

I think you stated John that they IDF didn't develop the Merkava into an APC or make an APC based on it's chassis I believe that is incorrect as there is the Namer which is based of the merkava Mk IV chassis (and actually just looks like a Merkava IV with the turret off unless its the autocannon variant). Currently the IDF only fields around 120 or so but they will acquire around 550 by 2027.

Karl Childers

ilya thinks that if one person survives that means it isn't genocide

Ryan Alward

emil kastehelmi on twitter, I could be wrong but three days ago he posted a list of Israeli equipment loses that Mark also read out last episode

Mark Ames

We are the soundtrack for defeat. And yet somehow the Raiders failed their defeatist mission.

George P

we love it, don't we folks?

William

@ilya Fuck off dumbass no one asked you

A

Raiders need to tank for Caleb Williams. Jimmy G, as handsome a young fellow he is, is not the answer. Also fire that dunce McDaniels. Career loser, has done nothing but get fired from HC jobs.

Maciek

Anyone have any good telegram channels to follow that aren’t just gore war porn? I’m using @mangopress for info/videos on the conflict and it’s decent.

(American spirit menthol

Social media is unusable now unless you're willing to see people quote tweet dead bodies with amateur remote forensics about who killed them

Maciek

https://t.me/mangopress is what I got but it’s a general Asian lefty channel so it’d be nice to find something that is more focused on Middle East / Palestine info. Again not looking for war porn gore o Rama channels.

Maciek

I largely agree with you, but seeing the actual press release footage of the operations with censoring of gore from hamas that mango has been posting has been interesting just from an operational standpoint. That channel still does post the dead bodies with commentary but that’s atleast tagged. Out of all the shit opsec ukraine war understanders who are running mega gear solid levels of up to date of useless speculation being fed by one state security outfit or another, there’s like a small handful that I’ve found really useful for seeing real time event/footage that will be later spun to one groups benefit in western media.

Maggie+Al

on the rave I can see how if your pr imperative is we don't fuck with old people and kids you would see it as a self selected group of acceptable hostages. I can also see how a Hammas planner could completely miss the reality that taking a music festival hostage without causing an blood bath would be much more challenging than overrunning an IDF Camp.

Jason Thompson

Y’all gave a lot of thought as to why Hamas did this terrible-PR massacre at the rave, but even if Hamas is supposedly principled & disciplined enough not to do it, isn’t Islamic Jihad also openly involved with the attack? Maybe those guys, who are to the right of Hamas and basically Islamic State level IIRC, were the ones who pulled the triggers. I have to say though, that the Arabs I know (admittedly secular leftists) love old secular Palestinian resisters like Leila Khaled but seriously dislike Hamas and wouldn’t put this massacre past them. Jennifer Jajeh did a leftist standup comedy routine back in the 2000s titled “I Heart Hamas” but the feeling is not universal among pro-Palestinian Arabs. I hope Hamas kicks ass against the IDF, but they’re still repressive fundamentalists.

PostmasterFenian

I'm kind of suprised theres not a RWN lebanon civil war episode?

joe

The “Naked Gun-style meeting” reference is such a funny coincidence. I’m a little young too to remember anything about it, but I put the first Naked Gun on yesterday evening because I thought a dumb comedy would lighten things up and my wife and I wanted something that wasn’t too political for 90 minutes. Lmao we only made it 120 seconds, right until Nielsen rubs the birthmark off Gorbachev’s head and starts punching an Iranian.

JoR

They definitely went over it on and off in the early years. Whether it was with Amal Saad or another guest, they've definitely discussed it relatively in depth. Just don't remember the exact episode(s)

PW

Apparently nothing wrong with having a rave next to a concentration camp. Someone call Poland and see if Auschwitz is available for the next event, ya?

Jess

Maybe that, but also the West Bank provides Bibi and his coalition with an eternal base. The people in the "Gaza envelope" tend Likud but in theory they can move to a center-right wing party and not worry, what with having full established ownership of the land (at least among the Israelis). The settlers are more tied to one party. I think the people in the Gaza envelope are also more secular, which may mean that to the religious parties they're dirty girls and gays and the defense resources were distributed accordingly.

Hans Anders

If possible it would be great to have Mouin Rabbani on as a guest. He was on Finkelsteins podcasts and had a great contribution about the political motivations of Hamas for doing this.

Jaime Christley

In further developments in stopped clocks, Trump made remarks about Hezbollah that are largely in line with RWN (although I think he was actually talking about Hamas - never mind, you know what the guy's brain is like): cutting and pasting from the article, so not my wording Hezbollah – a Lebanese group also backed by Iran and supportive of Hamas: "very smart" Israeli defense minister Yoav Gallant, "a jerk" Benjamin Netanyahu, the Israeli prime minister, had been “hurt very badly” [my note: where's the lie???] "He was not prepared. He was not prepared and Israel was not prepared." "You know, Hezbollah is very smart. They’re all very smart.” Israel’s enemies, he said, were “vicious and they’re smart and boy, are they vicious”. Naturally this clashes with the undiluted support of the imminent genocide by the Biden WH. Been a big week for giving credit where due, however difficult!

Jaime Christley

he also implied that this wouldn't have happened "under Trump" but I didn't think that warranted inclusion.....

joe

Oh my god, this is incredible

Jaime Christley

Fantastic show. Sometimes it gets posted on YouTube. Dunno why it’s not streaming anywhere - probably some weird shit about licensing.

Alex Muir

Interesting context - thanks!