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Gauging Risk on Motorcycles: Nutnfancy's System (Patreon)

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2022-09-07 11:42:00
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THE OTHER VID WAS CUT SHORT, HERE'S THE FULL VIDEO. https://youtu.be/kMRbmyT5Oxc

In helmet-during-ride of the Nutnfancy Motorcycle Safety Concept (NMSC, yep another acronym!). Understanding these two concepts might change the way your ride and evaluate risk. I have you look at each riding situation and rate the level accordingly.  This is a highly individualistic system base on your experience, proficiency, familiarity with your motorcycle, traffic, road conditions, lighting, weather, and more.   

Sean the TNPr, an xlnt rider, is with me on this ride and helps illustrate points of group riding as well.  Another not to be missed TNP Moto video, this one might help preserve your life out there!

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Gauging Risk on Motorcycles: Nutnfancy's System

In helmet-during-ride of the Nutnfancy Motorcycle Safety Concept (NMSC, yep another acronym!). Understanding these two concepts might change the way your ride and evaluate risk. I have you look at each riding situation and rate the level accordingly. This is a highly individualistic system base on your experience, proficiency, familiarity with your motorcycle, traffic, road conditions, lighting, weather, and more. Sean the TNPr is with me on this ride and helps illustrate points of group riding as well. Another not to be missed TNP Moto video, this one might help preserve your life out there!

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Todd Strelka

I blame the GoPro for the video cut short yesterday. Reminded me of the ending of a Whistlindiesel video. I really enjoy these motorcycle videos even though I don't have a motorcycle. Great concepts I can have my daughter apply as she learns to drive a car. Really smart with the instructions on the helmet I noticed at the end of video.

Tomcat503

Excellent video & safety discussion. I would say (that for me) I'd go down to 1 & 1 on a divided highway, but 2 & 2 on double yellow line road where there can be oncoming left-hand turning traffic. That usually raises the risk and work (i.e. attention) level for me. Had too many times where the car cuts the turn too close!

charles Utz

Deer are my main concern. You are riding past a cornfield or thick wooded area, Bambi can jump out at any time. Also being hit from behind is always in the back of my mind. You ride around a curve and have to stop for a school bus, you are in a vulnerable situation.

mike

excellent topic had me really thinkin about the way I ride. My buddy and I ride Harleys together I ride with the lady he rides solo. His bike is faster with less weight on it and I was having fun this past weekend in the twistys he was speeding off like 10 risk 10 work if not more when. I was passing when it was safe for me. I was following an older more experienced sport bike rider for a while giving plenty of space going at a great pace for me for a big bike 2 up 1 or 2 turns with speed were 5 and 5 but mostly going easy because i haven't been here in a few months, riding 2 up, and just got new bars put on my bike lot higher than they were stock but he would be so far ahead waiting at the check points and they sneak up so i wasn't hard stopping at the speed i was going. I do like to have fun in the turns even with two people but what he was doing was suicide. My brother broke his leg this year dirt ego riding with me on the adv bikes i go solo off road of course but when i ride 2 up i try to stay out of the 4 and 5 zones and will apply this new mindset when riding now and looking back on this past ride I still had an amazing time riding my own ride as I do every ride.

Bernal

Ride ~Faster~ Without increasing your numbers. I learned how to run with the fastest of the fastest shifter kart guys and I have the receipts to prove it. By listening to where they turn the throttle on and tracking, logging and experimenting with different racing lines, I found a combination that serves me well and will apply to any vehicle. -When accelerating, balance, aim and draw your racing line with the contact patch of the rear tire. My goal is to stay in this mode as much as possible, slowing down only when absolutely necessary and never coasting. Most guys ride like this. -When decelerating is required, focus now on drawing your line with the front tire’s contact patch, delicately and with minimal steering input, minimizing friction as much as possible, carrying as much speed as you can deep into the corner, while focusing on getting back on the gas as soon as possible. Lastly, don’t let the nose dip too much when decelerating. If you do, you are going to minimize available suspension and if going fast, you risk losing traction because you’re skipping over the bumps. Don’t max out your suspension. For better safety numbers, I would like to mention that following people too close is stupid, unnecessary and dangerous. It’s a public road. It’s OK for grandpa Fred to be lost. If Nana wants to drive at the speed limit, we would leave them alone. Be nice😁

Moe Mansour

Nutn, you straight up found Methuselah! 😂😂 I love the adventure content. Keep it coming dude.

jay m

I just love the Moto vids so please keep them coming. thanks Nutn

DuginIN

Always great info. Enjoyed the ride on your FJR.

Joseph

Best MOTO safety. Don’t have a bike in the south. People too busy doing every other mentally retarded thing in their car than driving

WILLIAM MEYER

Couldn't agree with you more concerning the work & risk balance. Over the 40 or so years riding, and 3 offs, I've learned the best defense is to be as visible as possible. Discovered white helmets provide the best visibility of any. It's all I own.

Downtrodden

Deer are a big fear of mine. Dawn and dusk riding have me on edge. Shockingly, I’ve probably been in more danger with moose. Once by collision and once by nearly getting charged. I even had a turkey glance off my helmet when it couldn’t decide which side of the road it should be on. It flew at me, I ducked, and somehow stayed between the ditches. We both survived. A couple smaller birds have not been so lucky over the years.

The Nutnfancy Project

Great comment (all you guys) and loved it. Glad this connected with you and that it may help you in the future evaluating your Work and Risk numbers. Glad you're riding, keep it up!

Racing Psychosis

My area, lots of HD Baggers. With my health issues I no longer can ride motorcycles, but I have pretty much my whole life owned a sportscar of some sort. I cannot count the number of times 2x2 HD's have crossed the double yellow in my lane with the sporstcar on the twisty backroads. If I didn't have something that handles the corners better than the average vehicle on the road it would likely be nuts how many motorcycles would not have been able to avoid.

Racing Psychosis

This kind of reminds me of all the people when they find out that I race karts that ask well you have a seat belt and roll cage right? Hell no. If you flip a kart I want to be thrown clear of the kart, hence no seat belt. Roll cages in karts are good way to lose a limb. I just raced in a closed street circuit this past weekend, the Rock Island Grand Prix, its super fun, gets your blood pump and super dangerous at the same time. I had one instance passing another kart where I hit the worst manhole cover on the circuit, forgot about it while racing, it upset the kart so much and nearly threw me out of the seat as I caught air and then landed sort of kitty-wompass on the track nearly wrecking myself before gathering it all back up and passing the guy on the next straightaway. In life you do need to take risks sometimes to experience the joy of life. One thing I will say on motorcycling that I absolutely hate is the concept of lane splitting, talk about unneccessary risk, I would not do that, I would not recommend it. I miss not being able to ride motorcycles and bicycles safely due to my health issue. I've thought about trike motorcycles and Can-Am's and 3-wheeled recumbants bicycles (the recumbant actually gives me vertigo) but have decided against them. I'll stick to kart racing for the rush.

Racing Psychosis

I think its more like use the power when you need to. I'm not going to sit behind Driving Miss Daisy in my sportscar either.

Racing Psychosis

I'll say that one thing about Harley's, v-twins in general, that have loud pipes, or loud crotch-rockets, and I have driven around lots of them is that I do often hear the pipes before I see them. Bright colors do help though.

Michael B warner

I've been foolish and a bit of a rebel for the last few years. I've been riding around without my endorsement it was stressful at times I don't recommend it at all. Long story short the MSF course schedules seriously conflicted with my work and taking four days off in a row was out of the question. Ive been fortunate to not have accidents or any major issues in all that time although ive had many close calls along the way. I think to a certain degree that close calls just come with the territory. Even though I do my best to minimize them with good road strategies. I'm happy to say that I finally took my MSF course and got my license back in April of this year that was a big relief 😅 I got super lucky with the timing. I was able to squeeze a class in right at the end of my lay-off. I went back to work literally the next day after the class lol. I really like your 1-5 risk vs work approach it sounds like a fun and different way to keep yourself focused. I'll definitely be trying this on my way home tonight. I ride everyday its my main transportation I rely on it for just about everything. Especially with these insane gas prices even burning premium in my bike it saves me a ton of money. Thanks as always Nutn have a great day.

Bernal

Racing karts, Doug Chandler ran into me so hard at the Marina airport that he cracked my frame and I ended up running over my own hand with the front tire. Another time at the Redding airport this guy Brad launched off my rear tire and landed in my lap. We did about a 16th of a lap together.🤣. Karts are pattycake. None of this stuff is safe, but motorcycles are a little bit nuts. But, that’s OK, because a shifter cart will destroy any motorcycle’s lap times. Ha ha

Racing Psychosis

Most of the higher end 2-stroke karts will. Hell even my sealed 4-stroke Briggs at the local oval stock car track turned faster lap times than the late models, they never invited us back to race there after the stock car guys complained about. Most of them are too fat to sit in a kart. 45 Hp in my 2-stroke kart will get your attention on race course guaranteed. And its like everything, not everyone is capable of racing them and my window due to age/health is closing as well on the racing side of things.

TechNeck

Just did a cross country trip, finished tonight just over 8000km. 3/5 minimuim on the dr650. You take hands off the bar, you get a speed woble from the front faring shake and you crash, have to manage the woble with speed modulation and position on the bike. Loaded up so breaking takes time. Frost heaves, pot holes deer and moose... standard canadian road obsticals. #1 highway across canada... in parts the only route (for over 800km) is a ruff road with a lot of users. Had a few road ragers. One guy tail gating so close that i had dual shadows 5 feet apart from the head lights of a 1 ton truck (within 3-5 feet of my rear tire for an hour). Wouldn't pass on the dotted line, in passing lanes... when i slowed to 60 kph in 100 zone on a 3km long passing lane... stuck to me. In the rain, in the dark antler alley in northern ontario. Eventually i spotted a snow plow turn out, slowed to 40kph, then gunned it to get some space. emegency breaked into the pullout locked up the rear fishtailing in and forcing them to pass me ... was absolutly terrifying... they stopped a few hundred meters up the road but gave up waiting for me when other trafic forced them to keep going (no shoulders, 1 lane each way, so they were blocking the highway)

Steve Feeser

Thanks for a really helpful motorcycle video!!

TRJ

Could you do one like this oriented to dirt? How do you manage risk on dirt? Little to no traffic but lots of loose or changing traction environments.

TRJ

I’m looking from going 100% street 13yrs 62K miles to adv bike 50/50 dirt. How to you approach learning dirt?