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Hello Beautiful People of the Internet!! We’ve thought long and hard about whether or not to move forward with watching Made in Abyss. We’ve done as much research as we can without getting spoilers.  To be completely honest I think this show is too dark for us.  Some scenes seem to be equivalent to that episode in dadadan and that other one from Full Metal Alchemist. We know this is disappointing for everyone who voted for it, but we don’t think we’d be able to handle it.  We hope you understand and respect the decision. 

That being said we think the best thing we can do is re run the poll without Made in Abyss as an option.  We are also going to remove Naruto and Bleach for now because as much as we do want to watch them we need to keep the channel balanced between long, medium, and short shows. 

Thank you again for understanding and being patient with us! 

Look for the new poll tomorrow Wednesday the 21st! It will end on Friday at 5 pm EST.   

We can’t wait to see what you guys pick!!  We’re so sorry again for the last minute change. We’re still learning how to best implement these polls!

Comments

Shakir

Much rather you watch a show you can tolerate and enjoy than be forced to watch something for us.

Dank Waifu

You're watching mushoko tensei and have watched Takopi original sin though, they're equally as bad. Man I really voted for it for like 8 months too, I can't tell you the genuine excitement I felt when it finally won 😭

V

Reincarnated as a slime is probably better for them

Cursed Wings

Its alright lets have a repoll

☾Joey

Completely understandable!

Tom

Make sences still a grate chanel

JohnnyBSMK

Yeah seeing Made In Abyss on that poll I was like “you guys are total demons for recommending them to watch that” lol

Sneaky

The to be hero x faction grows stronger with every passing day.

ATableWithPants

Completely fair to be careful about what you guys can handle. I'm also glad you took out the much longer shows. As much as I love Naruto, having 2 or 3 extremely long shows going can't be good for maintaining a varied community that will stay beyond those shows ending.

Heather

No its not lol what

brandon

I think you did the right thing. I was not a fan of Maiden Abyss for that reason.

Heather

Yes as we should

Zana

That’s cool guys. Totally respect your decision. ❤️❤️❤️

StolenChakra

I totally agree with this btw! Im not saying it's a bad show guys but you can tell it would destroy them!

chefboyarkey

Wow, I apologize to everyone who told me and others it would be too dark for them and i said nah theyll be fine..yall were 100% right😅

Oscar Medina

That's fair. I love Made in Abyss, but to me is one the goated anime I am never willing to recommend. For Naruto and Bleach those animes need a lot of prep to watch too. Watching one them at the time would be wise.

Ronald Christmas

Please add March Comes in Like a Lion to the poll

Cursed Wings

Lord of the mysteries up again Best webnovel of all time

Hi I’m Paul

Monster truthers we get another chance!!!

Sharrpfangs

Yeah that show is definitely not for the weak but it’s still a peak show so don’t blame yourselves

sangoire

I think that’s a good decision. I also agree that it’s too dark for you guys😭

Zana

I would recommend so music genres for you guys like your lie in April since we haven’t got to that genre yet. Well whatever you guys watch, I really don’t mind

John

Made in Abyss is so peeeeeaaaaak tho!!! 😭

Dank Waifu

Pedo man who video records his neice is not worse than Made in abyss? If anything they're at least equally as dark, but whatevs.

Leandro Calderón

Well, I sure hope either Slime or Tanya win this time

Paulo Sebastiao

As you should, as much as i like MIA, that show can get HEAVY, especially for parents like yourselves, being taken by surprise by one of those moments is not something I would recommend.

Dank Waifu

I'll vote for anything, as long as it isn't slime. Never see Hero but I'd be down to see them react to it.

chopchop

Oh damn! I've never watched made in abyss, now im wondering how dark it gets You spiked my curiosity 😨

Brnden

While im disappointed as it's one of my favorite anime, I completely understand if you guys dont feel comfortable as it does get very intense. I feel like a quality of the show that very often gets overlooked is how hopeful the show truly is even through all of the darkness. Don't listen to the people making a fuss on either side of the fence though, it's your decision through and through.

humphrey-t-humphrington

I really think they'd like madoka since the writer is the same as the one for fate/zero

Toro E

damned and boring ZzzZlime

Brnden

Something tells me it's more to do with the intense violence aimed towards children and not the other controversial aspects of the story

Ale

Hmmm, okay, that was unexpected! I've never watched Made in Abyss, but I did watch one scene, and I totally understand your decision. Let's see how the new poll goes

Nahnah

Lord of mysteries instead maybe. It only has one season.

Sanam99

But you guys were able to watch aot so i dont think made in abyss is that dark but fine with me, i want erased anyway

Dank Waifu

It's about the same as Re Zero, some parts are slightly darker, especially the movie.

Chance

OVERLORD HERE WE GOOO

Ale

I suggest to vote for clannad! I hope ppl give it a opportunity!!! Or ass class :)

Dank Waifu

There's no intense violence aimed at children in Mushokou tensei?

Philsi

Oh wow...

hellodude776

damn I've been waiting so long for MiA, I honestly don't think it's that bad but maybe I'm desensitized

MacrocephalicRooster

They are completely different type of messed up. They did watch takopi original sin, wich is the same type of messed up. I voted for it too, but , you know, let's respect their decision. I'm glad they dropped the possibility of new longruning shows tought, absolutely correct decision. We'll get interesting things in the rotation faster 😁

Ale

I wish they'd watch it someday, but with the way the poll system works, I don't think it'll even make it onto the poll 😭 Such an underrated show!

Heather

I told yall to stop recommending bleach and naruto some of yall have no sense there already watching one peice and other long animes.

Toro E

and Cyberpunk Season 2?

Dank Waifu

I respect their decision, just interesting because they have reacted to many things equally as dark

Cameron

No shade here, I don't think I can handle it either, so 💯 understand

Ale

One anime I REALLY want them to react to is Clannad and Clannad: After Story!! I want to hear their thoughts and commentary, especially as parents. Just imagine their reactions!!

Lord Grim

Rooting for YLIA

Cinshadis

As disappointing as it is not to see your reactions to a great show, it's completely understandable, and a wise choice to make if you know that level of darkness bothers you. I do the same thing with really violent live action stuff, and just don't want those images in my mind. Love and respect.

A.G

Objectively the best anime on that list, it won't win tho, people are only voting for the generic shit

Fabien

I had a feeling Made in Abyss would have that effect on you, so even if again it's a masterpiece like you'd rarely see in animation, most people will understand. And W move to have removed Naruto and Bleach until the other long shows are finished (OP and Jojo). Thank you for that.

Brnden

There is but do also consider how often these things happen between the two shows and other shows they've reacted to. They're very sensitive to it even when matters like this come up in other shows they've reacted to. Anyone who's watched them for awhile knew this when they nominated it. I also nominated and voted for MiA but I didnt do it to see their shocked reactions but rather see them delve into a show I love and experience the good qualities of it.

Sneaky

It's not objective, it's literally a question of taste, but I agree it's the best out then ones I've seen.

Dank Waifu

So did I, I thought it was the most compelling option. I'm disappointed but it is what it is. I just hope they consider it in the future. There's honestly no other anime I would vote for.

Arian Abdolahy

I knew it as soon as I watched the Dandadan scene and I said it once in a past voting but y'all didn't wanted to hear. Their reaction to the Dandadan scene was not "Oh, this is so touching although emotional but beautiful." No, it was "This is absolutely too much and overwhelming. I don't want to see this or think about this again." But some of the viewers here are too desensitized to read the room.

Tanmay

Please orb glazers lock in 🙏

Arian Abdolahy

This comment heals me. I was genuinely upset when someone in the past said something like this when I tried to warn you guys.

Ulises Aragón

Please guys, Assassination Classroom or Erased 😔

C

I will pray for Bocchi the Rock to make his comeback.

Ricchan

Aww I wanted Naruto but that's fine. I really hope Monster wins Or legend of the galactic heroes

Yorutia

No worries. There are still so many good shows out there. I can easily name 10 happy shows that I'd rather have you react to than MiA. The best reactions are when you guys are enjoying the most.

Nody

guys please let's vote for a funny anime like saki k or grand blue T_T

Juan José chica Acevedo

Thats fair, i consider made in abyss an amazing show, but lets be honest, its a little too much and there's nothing wrong with finding that as a reason to not watch it, Reincarnated as a slime seems like a nice pick, erased would be awesome too, we'll see which show wins this friday!

rizqiefajar

Very understandable. It's fine in the beginning, but it does get progressively dark.

Winda

To be hero X fandom rise up!! Haha hopefully we get picked. But to whichever show gets chosen ill be there watching :)

rizqiefajar

Come on, you didn't watch Mushoku Tensei did you? "Pedo man bla bla bla" is so telling. Anyway, Made in Abyss gets crazy dark in season 2.

Claude

Me praying more people will vote for Link Click

MacrocephalicRooster

Second season touch some subjects that I never seem any other piece of media touch before ( ok, some philosophy literature does, but in a directly and blunt way, not in a graceful/classy way made in abyss did). But then you have to "survive" the movie... wich, idk if I wasn't in the headspace... but felt like was trying to be disturbing for disturbance sake....mostly

EddyTheMoza

Understandable, I've never seen Made in Abyss so I can't speak on it but if it makes you guys uncomfortable that's reason enough. W community feedback on the longer run animes (they will get their chance someday).

HopelesslyImmersed

Glad to hear, I don't like cheering for another shows downfall especially after it won but its too disturbing and cruel imo. Can't wait for the next poll, hoping slime or saiki k wins

NoSoupRice

Probably not the best place to ask but I'm just curious if y'all are going to watch Edgerunners 2? Tho it seems to be a separate story from what most people can tell right now

Indie Doodles

Honestly I think its best that you guys do end up picking shows you yourselves feel comfortable with, even myself I couldn't watch this one myself too. But im excited to see what shows will be up for the pull. (Also a side note, you two should totally wach the show moomins, its a very cute show and im not exactly saying to make a reaction video. But I recommend it for you guys to watch and could even watch with your kids too tbh. Its a charming and wholesome show, theres many adaptations to it but the 90s series is a loved and more memorale classic)

NoSoupRice

They just went ln those shows blind. Simple as that. Because half their audience talk about how dark MiA is just so it wouldn't win in polls. If they had been "warned" as often as they have with MiA in other shows, they might have skipped those too. Idk, it's up to them, in the end. It's no fun watching a reaction of a show they are not enjoying anyway. It is what it is.

CD Elio

Ok Bocchi The Rock fans lock in we getting the wholesome block in this again

Alkampus

Ahh yes another mushoku tensei is a pedo show commenter. Just accept they don’t want to watch it and move on with your life.

Infinite Winds

Very disappointing indeed, but even more so reasonable. Also, if keeping the channel balanced in regards to series lengths is your goal, removing Bleach and Naruto from the poll is a start, but only a small bandaid. All the series in the current schedule excluding seasonals are long running. There are other long running series remaining in the poll besides to the the 2 removed, including the now favorite to win. But either way, it will be extraordinarily interesting to see another poll right after the previous one, will it turn out roughly the same or completely different

Dank Waifu

I have seen it and I like the show, I'm just speaking the truth. But okay, make shit up to try discredit me. I literally read the light novel before half you even heard of it, just stop it.

uchuu kitsune

Yeah, that's why I didn't vote for it, it was too incompatible with yall, it's like asking you to watch Berserk, personally I was hoping for a lighter anime than other options on that poll.

Dank Waifu

Never said that but Ight bud

Dank Waifu

Takpoi original sin, mushoku tensei are about the same level if not worse.

A.G

Pleaseee dont put eminence in shadow on the new list, its genuinely top 5 worst animes of all time

IzVito

Anything but Slime please

Danycan

monster and parasyte the maxing are still strong contenders and my go to for action seinen!

blood_drac

put Release That Witch on the poll, only 8 episodes and came out a few months ago

MacrocephalicRooster

mushoku is good despite its kid stuff. Made in abyss is good because of it's kids stuff🤣 . They are diferent kid stuff tought. And altought i agree with you that takopi is the same type of kid stuff as made in abyss, made in abyss is way way worst man, lets not kid ourselves and its much more frequent too.

RCG

Damn, a bit sad, to be honest but totally understandable. I still think it’s a really good show but it’s actually very dark indeed and not for everyone. If you don’t feel comfortable, you shouldn’t force yourself. There’s still a mountain of other good shows out there. Also, removing some of the ultra long series is very welcomed. Side note: Cyberpunk: Edgerunners Season 2 is out.

minjin batbold

I agree!! I have also been avoiding MiA for the same reason so would love to have the repoll. also god i wish we get something like assasination classroom this time

RCG

If people don’t recommend it enough for it to make it into the poll, it probably won’t get enough votes anyway. But yeah, great show.

Just Mav

Thats very subjective lol

The Anime Dude

That’s fair, it’s a good show - a really good show, but definitely not for everyone. Plus the character designs look younger than they are - and the main cast is kids, so when anything dark does happen… it definitely hits harder, probably even more so for parents with kids. Hoping we vote on something y’all can enjoy instead!

Zana

That would be fun

RCG

Obviously, it’s different for everyone but in my opinion, MiA is way worse than anything they’ve watched so far. While other shows also deal with some heavy stuff, it’s usually not the primary focus. MiA, on the other hand, focuses heavily on that kind of content and the fact that its main characters are little kids is also something they don’t seem to handle very well. I voted for it as well, but I can respect their decision.

The Anime Dude

Disagree, Eminence is great - top 5 isekai anime all time for me, parodies the genre really well. 😭

Solemnity

Good call, Made In Abyss is made by a probable pdf and it's target audience imo is pdfs.

A.G

Its easy to be top 5 when there are only 2 great isekais, and 3 alright ones. EIS is unwatchable for me, I cant look at the screen when its on i cringe so hard

Just Mav

I'm not one to be cheering for another shows downfall, so i'm sorry for everyone who was looking forward for MiA. I think it'd be fair if the 2nd place of this and the last poll (tensura - that time i got reincarnated as a slime) would finally get a shot, before it gets overruled by yet another show. :/ And everyone saying "it's too long!", well if you look at the poll history, it was already on the poll list when it was still in season 2. It wont get shorter with time.

The Anime Dude

I still remember when my roommate watched the Made in Abyss movie before I ever got to it… he was just sad & depressed for a week. Said it was really good but that he’d never watch it again. Then I watched it & he rewatched with me… then he was sad for another week. 😭 (though this time we were both just sad for that time)

The Anime Dude

I voted for pretty much everything besides Slime, but if they just went with it since it’s been like runner up twice now, I wouldn’t be too mad. It’s a decent enough show - very happy go lucky if that’s more of what they’re looking for, especially compared to MiA.

MacrocephalicRooster

I dont mean to be mean but AoT really cant be compared to MiA in respect to disturbing. AoT does have parallel to real war and whatnot so I can understand it being more upsetting to some people in the later parts, but you can get that in many other forms and media. MiA however its horror is indeed, well, different. Idk man, I tought i was desensitized to fictional media, but the season 2 village backstory still got me

Lena

Honestly, I was surprised to see it even win didn’t think it had a big following. I think a lot of it was people that didn’t want to watch slime and saw MiA winning?

Sergey (Horn)

I'm not sure about Slime. They might enjoy it, but especially in the earlier seasons, it feels like there isn't much to comment on or really dig into — it's a very straightforward show. For a lot of people, that's part of the appeal: it's relaxing and easy to watch. But personally, like many others, I really enjoy listening to Wes and Steph's discussions and hearing their thoughts on the themes a show touches on. That said, of course, I don't mean they should cater to me and only watch things that are especially discussion-heavy )

Wurzeldieb

That's sad, but understandable. I think it is not that bad, maybe you can find the courage at some point in the future.

Tsatsa

That’s why I was hoping you’d watch a slice of life comedy show!! I think some switch up would be nice, and you two would love it I’m sure. I’m still voting for saiki k

MacrocephalicRooster

i found the movie weak... did you got to watch s2 ? what do you tought about it?

The Anime Dude

It’s been a while since I watched, but S2 was really good - went in a very different direction than expected, and ended differently than expected! If nothing else this series constantly keeps you guessing, a genuine adventure story!

Eastie

same, or bleach lol blackclover this time for me i guess

RCG

Honestly, I didn’t vote for Slime or Eminence either because I like most of the other shows more but all the people constantly crying about it almost make me want to.

Subarun

If you had watched the anime, Made in Abyss toned down some of the creepier scenes. In the manga, he shows the kids naked and other things, so I saw this coming for sure.

Subarun

We need Bocchi to win now

Sum Ting Wong

Lets goooo, tensura has another chance

Armando

GUNDAM: Iron blooded orphans. The lone voice is still here

CD Elio

After Bocchi the Rock I'm gonna propaganda the hell out of Orb, Monster and a new entry Spice and Wolf hehehe

Lucas Pinheiro

Vote clannad I think they will love the show

Vishwa Joshi

Thanks so much guys for listening to the comments,the big shows are good but some smaller or medium ones that are great would never get the chance. Thankyou for the consideration.

Vishwa Joshi

Please guys let's do different shows like Monster or parasyte!! I am always up for fruits basket on the other hand.

Atlas Creation

dank waifu, Made in abyss shows intense, graphic, and extremely persistent violence towards children. These violent scenes are extensive, full of context, and more disturbing than average child violence. This is vastly different from tensei and tapoki. furthermore, just because they have viewed child violence in the past, doesn’t mean they enjoyed it or wasn’t disturbed by it. tapoki was short and tensei doesn’t have it in the same flavor.

Atlas Creation

anything but slime and eminence. Anything but those.

Sanam99

oh i didnt watch the season 2, didnt even know there was a season 2. The first season didnt seem that dark to me which was why i watched it in the first place, cause everybody said it was so dark but i guess it would be for them for the kids factor, i never voted it anyway, i want Erased man, i want slice of life short animes

David Stern

Yeah honestly now that you mentioned it, based on stuff you guys have talked about before, there is one part that you really would not be ok with. It’s like the most messed up thing I’ve ever seen but that’s why I love it.

RC

Wes would LOVE the world building and politicking in That Time I Got Reincarnated as a Slime. Don't let the title deter you.

Ricchan

Please pick your own show this time (and please be Monster, you can read the synopsis it's really interesting)

Kret

It's understandable you guys know yourselves best I will just bully my nabor into watching it instead mwahahahaha

Juan José chica Acevedo

I was thinking that too, i mean, i would love to watch them react to the silly slime because its just a fun and chill show to watch, but to be fair the first season its just your average isekai, not a bad anime at all but compared to the rest i think there is a lot more to unpack from shows like madoka magica or erased, wes and steph can add a lot to the experience of watching a show so i believe even something like the silly slime would be fun to watch even for the people who didnt vote for it

vivaan

yesss!!!! especially with the long shows i agree so much

vivaan

BOCCHI THE ROCK NOW PLEASE SLICE OF LIFE HAPPY ANIME

Marcos cruz

Maybe them reacting to shows similar to it is the reason why they decided not to watch another one

ReCursed

It's all fair. Even if show wasn't as dark and was "normal" but you didn't want to watch it - decision is yours. While I didn't vote for MiA and not interested in you watching it I will still add that it's a great show and as one said it's very hopeful in all that dark. It is quite disturbing thought. Also it has great music. The point i want to make is every show has haters that'll overblow it's flaws, misinterpret it's messages or outright spread disinfo. They mostly didn't even watch the show making their opinion on vibes and what others think. MiA is one that suffers from that a lot. One most suffering from it is Mushoku Tensei) but as you know it's a fenomenal show. It's a bit long-winded but the thought is watch what you want - we'll tag a long. Also I'm sorry to all the fans while personally glad makes me feel a little bit guilty.

Musa Stone

I'm playing the long game... we'll eventually get Overlord.

ReCursed

It is really graphically disturbing. I didn't watch takopi so can't say about that. But it's not equal

ReCursed

The most twitter/TikTok opinion i ever seen here. You don't have your own opinion or fear relaying it.

Dank Waifu

I don't have my own opinion? Sure buddy.

rain_y01

I really want them to check it out, it's so good and I think they would enjoy making theories as they watch it 😭

Vequoin

I think Monster is also quite a dark show too but It is a manga by Urusawa Naoki who is regarded as the genius of mystery manga . It is more of a mature series than something dealing with children though . Monster has mature characters and a lot of mystery , as it is a seinen show. I also think attack on titan and 86 were quite dark too.

Vequoin

They should avoid orb too tbh. Some of the things can be rough there but atleast most of them don’t deal with children as much 😭

Vequoin

Given the stuff we see in western media most of the time , it is not that bad 🤣

Vequoin

Personally , I feel Clannad hits and punches harder than Abyss…. Clannad is kind of a difficult show to watch and it is petty sad. Shows like Clannad , the music one , angels beats etc are a bit too emotional. Another one I find hard to watch is the flowers of evil. That show is jsut difficult to watch , even when it is not emotional and doesn’t have the same tragedies. That show is something uncomfortable

Vequoin

I really wish they did monster, it is such a classic.

ReCursed

Nah. It's great

Vequoin

Not really , a lot of western media has worse shows and tragedies, and even more haunting books 😅. I wouldn’t blame the subscribers as such.

Vequoin

It is a good show , especially the worldbuilding and the sad and tragic parts did uplift the first season in such a big way. Else , it wasn’t that peak

Vequoin

I kind of recommend this but too much isekai is like brainrot 😆

Vequoin

Erased +1

Vequoin

It does have a few things that are dark too when I think about it 😅 you know what I mean

Vequoin

Not really that dark. It is only some pieces that are dark. If you watched AOT , or 86 , or some other anime themes of children, gore and other stuff like the promised neverland. It is about the same or less

Blocklv55

Clannad can hit harder and be sadder than Abyss but it only really gets that way in Afterstory. The majority of Clannad is quite fun and not intense at all. It also doesn't have the violence/gore of Abyss.

ReCursed

Idk I would call it berserk with kids.

Vequoin

I would second Gundam too , there are so many good Gundam series and most of them aren’t that dark. The cutest ones are guild fighters 🤣

Ale

I don't think they're against sad shows in general. I think it's more about the gore and violence toward kids, which doesn't happen in Clannad. Also, like BlockLV55 said, Clannad is more of a slice-of-life anime with a lot of comedic moments overall.

rizqiefajar

Season 2 towards the end is really dark. I don't think they can handle it

NeoArc

Fully understand your decision on this since some anime no matter how good are just not for everyone. Also i feel like since it did get the second most votes you guys should start slime after one of your longer series ends.

Loro Lukic

What? Completely different ballpark what are we saying!

Loro Lukic

We can't explore the downwards so it's time to set our gaze upwards upon the stars Its time for Orb: On the movements of the earth 🗣🗣

BananaPengu1n

Too bad to watch? I don't know anything about it but that surely is great advertising to skip ahead in my pile-of-shame.

TSP

Don't replace it with some generic Zoomer show. Do something like Baccano!, Clannad, Monster, Spice & Wolf, or Kara no Kyoukai.

TSP

Wild statement considering how many people have watched and enjoyed it. Tourists are weird man. Projection?

TSP

Just watch the better show: K-ON!

TSP

Minami-ke

TSP

TF is Dandadan?

TSP

Holy crap I forgot Aku no Hana was a thing. I blocked that anime out of my head. Probably the worst thing I've ever watched. Damnit now I remember it exists.

TSP

Doesn't necessarily mean THEY watch that Western media though.

Sei_2002

Yeah. It's literally the kind of lore heavy show they would enjoy. So many exciting things to come in future seasons. I hope it at least gets decent attention in the new poll because not a lot of people here seem to be familiar with it.

Nina

Super disappointed in the outcome, but I also understand. The show is definitely not for the faint of heart. I would rather you guys enjoy whatever you are watching and tbh there were a lot of other good shows on the poll to get excited about!

Kanaan

You guys should definitely do black clover instead

Merili

This makes total sense to me! As many people have already said the balance between longer and shorter shows is probably a bit easier on you and more exciting for viewers, so i hope you guys can do separate polls for them at some point.

Mohamed Musa

I dont think thats the issue

Mohamed Musa

Thats just the worst than MIA

Mohamed Musa

Pls let's all vote for erased

Keiran Muntfront

Thank goodness, i was worried these fans were going to tramatise you with that show

Maddd

we need more school + slice of life show

Marco Nodo

I understand anyone is free to do what they want, but this is really disappointing. I also understand nobody will care how disappointed I am by this, but this was really unprofessional and I need to take it out. Excluding the fact that this is not a show from the deep dark web, (it won anime of the year 2017, how bad could it be?) , I find it awful to make the choice not to watch it this late. It's been a prominent runner up in many polls. Now, it won with a never seen before landslide. But suddenly on the day we were supposed to see it, it's not good to watch and the poll has to be redone. I've been upset with the lack of communication here for a while but this one takes the cake, sorry.

Runhua Tang

You know what? In that case we should really go for something wholesome this time. Let's do Bocchi the Rock. It's lighthearted and fun, and it's only like 12 episodes long.

Moot

I respect it. Anything but Naruto.

Ethereal

Made in Abyss is dark, but it is also hopeful. There are sad scenes and tragic scenes but ultimately it champions the human will and perseverance in the depths of darkness. The themes in the writing are interesting. It's an adventure series, and it can be compared to HxH's Chimera Ant arc in terms of young protagonists surviving in a ruthless environment. It's a mainstream show. The first season won Anime of the Year at the Crunchyroll Awards 2018, just to show that it isn't a dark niche obscure show. And for its second season in 2023 it got 6 nominations. It is enjoyed and celebrated by the wider anime community. If you're apprehensive about parent-child storylines, personally I don't think anything beats the Dandadan episode since it's the most realistic scene mentioned. It's set in modern Japan, a child gets tragically taken away. There's no fantasy involved, making it hit harder. MiA takes place in a fantasy setting and the parent-child relationships there are aren't typical whatsoever, so there's an element of abstraction there. And in the first season, the tragic storyline revolves around two friends (no parent-child), so you could check out the first season to get the vibe of MiA. It is dark but it's intrinsically hopeful. Brutal but not nihilistic. Throughout the show it points out that curiosity, human warmth, and the courage to look into the darkness are noble enough to outshine the terror of the abyss. Well, those are my two cents.

TheSlothSmile

Hey, first off, thank you for being honest about this and for explaining your reasoning. You’re not obligated to watch anything, and I fully respect that. You’re not our little servants. 😄 I do think it’s a bit of an early judgement though. I’d say Made in Abyss isn’t dark for the sake of being dark. It can be gruesome and harsh at times, but the contrast is there on purpose. It shows how dangerous the Abyss is, not how cruel people can be, and it makes you appreciate life and the little moments of joy more. It’s definitely a tear jerker, but it’s also very hopeful, and the characters have as much depth as the Abyss itself. There are only a handful of scenes similar to the ones in Fullmetal Alchemist, just more detailed, so I completely understand not wanting to put yourselves through that. But I’d compare it to something like Princess Mononoke. It’s brutal in places and the world is unforgiving, but it’s really about wonder, courage and caring for each other. IMO it’s a very good show and pretty mainstream in that sense, not over the top cruel. Either way, I’ll be happy with whatever the new poll brings. Looking forward to it!

Sorin

who needs good worldbuilding when we can have a 1st episode where the main character just randomly gets a bunch of video game skills and going forward there's 0 tension in the anime.

Sorin

it's because the poll was infested with internet activists that were overly dramatical so the show/author they hate doesen't win. i wish monogatari wins just to piss off the activists even if probably it won't.

Cristian Ambrocio

Tbf I'm not sure why this wasn't voted out with naruto and bleach, theirs current 72 episode with ovas and side episode included. Which would make sense if they would watch it if they watched the re:zero ones. Not to mention this next season is considered to be one of the longest season yet. Having 60 episodes released by July of 2027 This is by far not a short or medium watch.

John Spartan

I mean you do you, but they didn't know anything about the show until now.

John Spartan

You usually go full blind so I wonder if this was flagged by your mods or what. Just curious, I respect your decision. And also I just want a slice of life or romcom to win again.

S0ulSp4de

Some shows are not that easy to watch with Made in Abyss being one of them. It's understandable if it's too much for you. Maybe now we can go with a comedy or slice of life show. :P

HopelesslyImmersed

I don't know about 0 tension. Slime has amazing world building too. Not many animes where the MC build an empire from the ground up

Lejunon

all i can say, orb is an anime that will change everyone perspective in life. It changed mine after watching it.

Barry

Alright guys this is clearly a call to Bocchi or similiarly fun and short shows.

vivaan

surely

elan d

Thanks to the witch hunting andies for spoiling and dogpiling the show, overblowing its flaws, and straight up spreading disinformation. Your fav anime didnt win but you managed to create enough panic to ruin it for everyone else. End of the day it’s W&S’s decision to make and i respect it, i’d tag along to watch any show that they like regardless. My support now goes to Monster or Orb 🙏

Subarun

@Sorin I love monogatari and made in abyss, you don't know what you are talking about. Im literally a rezero and subaru fan ffs

rryutie

As a naruto fan, im glad you made that decision (as well as removing bleach). I do hope the day comes that you guys watch all of naruto and shippuden, but that day is not for a while! many reactors take on a lot of long running shonens at once and it kills the variety (i stopped watching carli and ange & ailincia because of this). i havent seen made in abyss so i was lowkey looking forward to first time watching it with you guys but since i havent seen it, i dont feel any type of way about it being removed. unforch for the ppl who really wanted to see ur reaction to it tho but understandable reasoning so i hope u guys dont get criticized for making a personal choice. How does made in abyss compare to Monster? I haven't seen that one either all i know about it is that it's a dark psychological show.

Gia

Ikr we need some light hearted show

Sorin

hey, i hope you watched re:zero in dub and not in japanese. according to the nonsense you believe in the japanese va for emilia is a pdf

rryutie

they did want to see more highschool romcom/dramas

rryutie

brother, reverend insanity exists. the goat/best webnovel is uncontested

Philsi

I wish they at least gave it a chance and tried forming their own opinion, rather than believing the loud minority that can't handle a show with a few darker scenes.

Temojikato

I mean it's a shame, I think your thoughts on it would be very interesting. That being said, you being comfortable and enjoying yourselves is more important, for you but for the viewer experience too. Totally valid.

Nekoda

I was thinking about a solution that could able you to watch it without the heavy kid stuff : What if we create a fan group to edit the anime, debate on scene to cut out or censor, and we could deliver you a ligther parent-friendly version of the anime, since this anime is so much more than just kids in pain. If you’re interested by the idea, I (and probably other people) would be hype to work on this project for next year

Sorin

yeah man, let's ruin the work other people put in the anime. at this point just not watch it.

Nekoda

It’s better than nothing and not seeing kids die is not ruining the work

Arian Abdolahy

It absolutely does not matter if any western media or any other media has "worse shows and tragedies" which is subjective anyway. It was never about the degree of how tragic or worse something is in general. It's about Wes and Steph's reaction to a specific trigger. One subscriber even apologized in the comments because his response when people pointed out that Made in Abyss would be too much was "Nah, they're gonna be fine." If people saw Wes and Steph's reaction to the specific scenes they mentioned and still thought Made in Abyss would be a good choice, that's where the lack of sensitivity, empathy and understanding play a role. Because their reactions were very clear signs of personal boundaries.

Ethereal

I do think this is a case of an overeager audience overblowing elements. Not that it isn't dark or contains body horror, but I don't think it's a show W&S wouldn't be able to handle. The commenters make it sound like that's all the show is about too. Not a word about the touching relationships or hopeful messages it contains. Riko is the same age as Gon and Killua. They've seen other dark shows. Takopi's Sin is, in my opinion, psychologically darker than MiA since the protagonists find themselves in a despairful mental state. Riko & Reg, the protagonists of MiA, are forward-looking, persistent and courageous. They don't break down in despair. This show isn't nihilistic at all despite the content.

Sorin

it's literally crucial to the story and not done for shock value, what are we even doing? everything in the end of season 1, the movie and season 2 is a big part of the story how is it not ruining the work?

elan d

Exactly, its so much more than a dark or unsettling show. Its filled with themes of wonder, exploration and hope with deep character and world building. Insane music too. Unfortunately the show was blown way out of proportion by the few who threw around crazy statements here, which is the same case in reddit and twitter too. So when someone googles MiA they are only likely to see these overblown statements and "warnings" like this show is some sought of gore galore vid from the dark web, when it actually won Anime of the year in 2018 and is fairly mainstream.

Nekoda

The point is not cutting out half the show, it’s to make it watchable. I’m not saying it’s possible I’m saying it’s worth trying and maybe reaching the conclusion it’s not

Dale Tucker

A shame. Would have been a spectacle

zahraa

Would be fun to see them react to it, but based on the past poll I doubt it will

Dani

what was the dandadan episode? i forgot

Dani

I don’t like slime show but holy shit there’s no way you’re crying about an anime that feels the need to show naked children pooping because “muh world building”

Westerschwelle

I don't know what people have been thinking recommending it in the first place tbh.

NECOdes

MiA is one of those shows that get most of its hate because of people making conspiracies about the author and spread it without watching the anime itself. But the fact that its dark parts get very dark is true. IMO it's still masterfully done. Has arguably the best scores in entire anime, has one of the most spine-chilling villains, and has one of the best world-building in entire anime too. Very unfortunate but understable.

Rai

Yeah its really disappointing considering it almost won every poll. I wish they could at least watch the first episode or something...

Sorin

Same tbh. Who could recommand something with an interesting premise, great worldbuilding, great art, great music, great story and great characters? Wild to me that in 2017 people were normal enough for it to win anime of the year even in the western world but nowadays so many people lose their minds over it.

NECOdes

People mostly talk about the movie and the first season (and it's only for a couple of scenes). Second season is even tamer than Season 1 in terms of pure violence and has broader and more interesting themes. I find it funny that people still defend Takopi which its whole plot was about violence and left the kids with horrored mental state (not to mention is was parent-child violence which I find it more disturbing because it's very real). Abyss has violence but most of it is about showing how the Abyss is a beautiful yet very dangerous place. MCs in MiA are kids but they love their journey and are hopeful they reach their goal. They're not mentally scarred and about to commit su-cide at any moment.

Rai

I wish I could recommend you guys "The promised neverland" if only the season 2 did'nt exist...

NECOdes

I would rather them not watching the show entirely. Made In Abyss is a masterpeice because even its darkest moments speak hope. Their journey would be meaningless without its curses.

Nekoda

They watched Takopi so almost everything was possible

Nekoda

It’s about kids too so it would be No I think

Rai

Its not that bad compared to MiA

HopelesslyImmersed

He's not a happy camper, been replying to comments expressing support of their decision not to watch. Like i get it, but its not the end of the world.

Philsi

I'm sure somebody would be able to come up with a convincing enough comment to put them off it.

Solemnity

@TSP Watched about three episodes and saw children sexualized like 5 times so

NECOdes

also interesting that TheReactPack who to this day, refuse to watch Mushoku tensei because of the "kid stuff", watched the entire Made in Abyss, called it disturbing but very intriguing.

Mufty

Completely fair. I think im desensitized to most things in anime but I have these vague mamories of MiA that make me go wtf.

Arian Abdolahy

It's crazy how some of you are not respecting boundaries, are insulting people in the community and are still trying to convince them to watch the show. No means no!

Zak

Bocchi is probably the right call, even slime would probably win unfortunately. But you could also be a demon and double down on Madoka Magica.

Rostislav

Now just imagine the look on my face when I signed up for a year’s subscription, eagerly awaiting *Made in Abyss* 💀

Rostislav

Yes, the scenes in Dandandan and FMAB were worse

Rostislav

They’re watching *Dr Stone* and *Mha* right now – what good anime are we talking about? The good, popular anime are all over; we’ll be stuck watching bad, popular anime for years to come until we get round to the good, unpopular ones.

Rostislav

It’s far too dark; they eat children in there. Now we only watch anime for three-year-olds, like MHA.

Nguyễn Hữu Minh Tuấn

As someone who watches a great deal of dark anime adaptations, I can confidently say that *Made in Abyss* is truly darker than any other show Wes and Steph have reacted to. The darkness it presents is unsettling—more in the vein of an "eerie, mysterious" dread than the kind of darkness associated with mature themes. I therefore understand why they chose not to watch it; while it’s a shame, given that it’s a top-tier series, I still support their decision to drop it.

Lilanea

I can respect that totally. I would rather you watch something you would enjoy than one that bothered you or was hard for you to watch. There are some shows that have big followings but when I tried them for whatever reason they were not for me. There are so many good stories and shows to watch so there is no shortage to try. Looking forward to what you pick next!

Alvaro Vesga

Put yourself in their shoes...Imagine you are a person that gets marked or "impressed" with violent or disturbing images OR dont like seeing that kind of imagery because it can show in your mind ever so slightly and you get disturbed by it. Now imagine that kind of imagery shows in their head for even one fraction of a second before hugging their kids...it is disturbing..it is dark...Not everyone can handle that. They didnt say the show was bad, they said it was too dark FOR THEM. and thats ok, you should be respectful about that, if you are that dissapointed just dont renew the patron and move on

Rostislav

Well, the people who paid for the service were cheated. It’s clear why there’s been such a reaction

Sorin

Also them trying out the show and realizing it's not for them and dropping it is fair. Discarding the most voted show without trying to watch it and listening to some people in a comment section is not it.

RCG

I mean, what’s the point of your comment? Telling me that you don’t like Dr. Stone and MHA? Cool! I just said there are a lot of good shows left. If people don’t vote for them, that’s a different thing. Also, I think both Dr. Stone and MHA are good shows, yes. They’re not masterpieces but they’re still good. I really don’t understand why people complain so much and can’t tolerate shows they personally don’t watch/like. Just skip them and move on. NOBODY cares whether you like the shows or not. They won a poll and a lot of people want to see them. You’re in the minority if you don’t like them. But if you’re genuinely curious, I can post my list from the recommendation post again. It includes most of the shows I’d like to see and i consider good or interesting. A Place Further than the Universe Ajin Akira Angel Beats! Baccano! Bakemonogatari Bakuman Beastars Black Lagoon Blue Lock Bocchi the Rock! Call of the Night Cautious Hero Chihayafuru Daemons of the Shadow Realm Death Parade Diamond no Ace Dorohedoro Eden of The East Erased Ergo Proxy Free! From the New World Gachiakuta Great Teacher Onizuka Hajime no Ippo Heavenly Delusion Houseki no Kuni Howl's Moving Castle ID: INVADED Inuyashiki: Last Hero Invincible I Want To Eat Your Pancreas Jaadugar: A Witch in Mongolia Kill la Kill Kuroko no Basket Link Click Lord of Mysteries Look Back Magi: The Labyrinth of Magic Mahou Shoujo Madoka★Magica March Comes In Like a Lion Mashle Mononoke Hime Monster Mushishi Neon Genesis Evangelion NHK ni Youkoso! Nichijou Odd Taxi Orb: On the Movements of the Earth Overlord Parasyte: The Maxim Ping Pong the Animation Psycho-Pass Ranking of Kings Rokka no Yuusha Saga of Tanya the Evil Serial Experiments Lain Shinryaku! Ika Musume Soul Eater Spice and Wolf Sonny Boy Summer Time Rendering Suzume Tatsuki Fujimoto 17-26 Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann The Amazing Digital Circus The Disastrous Life of Saiki K. The Girl Who Leapt Through Time The God of High School The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya The Mighty Nein The Promised Neverland (Season 1) The Summer Hikaru Died To Be Hero X Toaru Majutsu no Index Toradora! Vivy: Fluorite Eye's Song Welcome to the NHK Your Lie in April Yu Yu Hakusho Yuri!!! on Ice

Rostislav

I’ll let you skip over the unpleasant bits, as they only make up 1 per cent of the whole anime :)

Rostislav

Incidentally, it’s the latent PDFs that shout about this the loudest

Alvaro Vesga

You were not "cheated" this is a subscription website in which you willingly pay for content that can change at any moment, the creators are not obligated to stick to a show/content. It works the same even for Big companies/streaming services in which the content it includes can change at anytime and they wont owe you jack. Put yourself in their shoes...Imagine you are a person that gets marked or "impressed" with violent or disturbing images OR dont like seeing that kind of imagery because it can show in your mind ever so slightly and you get disturbed by it. Now imagine that kind of imagery shows in their head for even one fraction of a second before hugging their kids...it is disturbing..it is dark...Not everyone can handle that. They didnt say the show was bad, they said it was too dark FOR THEM. and thats ok, you should be respectful about that

Alvaro Vesga

To those complaining, Put yourself in their shoes...Imagine you are a person that gets marked or "impressed" with violent or disturbing images OR dont like seeing that kind of imagery because it can show in your mind ever so slightly and you get disturbed by it. Now imagine that kind of imagery shows in their head for even one fraction of a second before hugging their kids...it is disturbing..it is dark...Not everyone can handle that. They didnt say the show was bad, they said it was too dark FOR THEM. and thats ok, you should be respectful about that

Nguyễn Hữu Minh Tuấn

I have read your comment. While I agree that *Made in Abyss* is excellent, I disagree with your characterization of it as being "full of hope." The "hope" you refer to is, in reality, nothing more than the pure, naive curiosity of a child within the Abyss. The journey is, more accurately, a beautiful trap; it is by no means a journey of hope, nor does it represent the human spirit. At its core, this anime is about the sacrifice of one’s humanity, one’s companions, and one’s physic body—all to satisfy the protagonist's curiosity—rather than being a journey driven by hope. I find it even more frustrating that you compare it to the Chimera Ant arc of *Hunter x Hunter* (*HxH*). You seem to have focused only on superficial similarities while overlooking the fundamental differences: the *HxH* arc centers largely on moral conflict and the struggle to protect humanity, whereas *Made in Abyss* is purely about the willingness to pay any price to satisfy one’s curiosity. They are, in essence, not alike at all. The "hope" defined in *Made in Abyss* is entirely different from that found in other anime series that Wes and Steph have reacted to; because the definitions differ, you cannot label this journey as "hope" in the conventional human sense. The author has crafted this journey more around "insatiable curiosity and a desire to explore" than around a simple "will to survive." A place where, the deeper you go, the closer you get to distortion and death—rather than some "light at the end of the tunnel." If Wes and Steph were to read only the first part of this comment, they could very easily get the wrong idea.

banlungx001

so them watching one piece/mha/jojo at the same time is already balancing for long show? LOL

Omer Durrani

Honestly when I saw Made in Abyss win my immediate thought was "Man I really dont want them to go through this experience" Like the show is amazing, but its... its a tough watch. More than happy to repoll and much respect for taking the choice!

Marco Nodo

You and everybody else is misunderstanding me. As I've said they are free to choose and do what they want. All I'm upset about is the lack of professionalism and communication. Made in abyss has been in many polls already, and they figure out it's NG for them only after it finally wins? With all the money they make they could at least pay their editors and moderators a little bit more so they look into the shows people suggest before they put them in polls. Because at this point next time there are anime nominations, everybody could go and suggest boku no pico, and they would unawaredly include it in the poll. A little bit of prior research would have spared many people from a false hope. I don't want to be mean, but I would like to remind everybody that they are paid to do what they do

Raydough

How is it objectively the best when It fell off hard because of the middle arcs

Super Gamer Q

You should be happy still since we got Fates series to watch

Raydough

It ain’t winning anytime soon 😭

Rostislav

It really is the only thing I’m watching at the moment, but there are only three films left – do you think they’ll carry on with the spin-offs?

Lucas Pinheiro

Clannad isnt dark Its sad Its difeerent

Qhent1 Freecs

just to put what you're saying in perspective so we can all suppose better what they define as a long/medium/short anime. one piece = 1180 episodes naruto + shippuden (+ boruto) = 720 (1013 with boruto) bleach ( + tybw) = 366 ( 415 with tybw) jjba = 195 mha = 170

Ethereal

You can view a story from multiple angles and from multiple characters. I never said it's "full of hope". It's "hopeful" (yes) and "intrinsically hopeful" (yes). "nothing more than the pure, naive curiosity of a child within the Abyss" is only one dimension of MiA. "At its core, this anime is about the sacrifice of one’s humanity, one’s companions, and one’s physic body—all to satisfy the protagonist's curiosity—rather than being a journey driven by hope." - It's the opposite. That is a superficial read of MiA. What you're describing is the outcome that we see and encounter (loss of humanity, companions, body). It's not what the story is about. "I find it even more frustrating that you compare it to the Chimera Ant arc of *Hunter x Hunter* (*HxH*). You seem to have focused only on superficial similarities while overlooking the fundamental differences" - I only compared it to Chimera Act in regards to one aspect: "in terms of young protagonists surviving in a ruthless environment." "whereas *Made in Abyss* is purely about the willingness to pay any price to satisfy one’s curiosity" - This describes Riko's journey. Not the other characters in the story. I acknowledge your take, but you're also limiting the story of MiA. It's more so about the human drive to seek wonder, discovery, and light, even when the journey is irreversible and the cost is immense. Those are obstacles but they're not the driving force for the characters. It's not mere curiosity either, like exploring an unknown cave. Each character is seeking something deeper (themselves, their home, their identity) and believing they can find it in the blessings and curses of the abyss.

banlungx001

25 short , 50 medium , anything more than 60 should be long

NECOdes

This definitly was what sucked the most about the situation. I was constantly refreshing the website today for the drop, only to see it being cancelled. I'm mainly subbed for Fate so I don't mind it in the end. But I feel bad for those who only subbed thinking they're getting to see MiA reaction.

Xan

Are you guys sure? even though it has some heart dropping scenes especially if you are a parent the other 90% of the show is amazing and makes it worth it. Would also make for a really good reaction. This is a like skipping Mushoku Tensei because of season 1... missed treasure trove. Also some of the scenes you are talking about aren't depicted to the extreme sense for the anime as you might have read online, but im sure Wesley would catch onto them very quickly and share the painful realization with Steph hahahahaha.

HopelesslyImmersed

Im hoping for them to continue with fate strange fake

Qhent1 Freecs

say who ? it's their channel they still have the right to define it themselves dont you think ? anyways, bleach is mid❤️

Nahnah

Fr it’s probably gonna be slime😅

Narawin971

actually, yeah, it's a wise decision bc it's just so dark. very good story but still, so disturbing.

Carlino McClain

I recommend removing slime as well because there are about 100 episodes and a couple of OVAs

Zane

Before writing Made in Abyss off, couldn't you just watch the anime on your own and make a decision based on that? if you ever feel like its too much while your watching the anime you can just stop watching and write it off, but if you can get through the first season fine then I think it would be worth reacting to the rest. Its up to you guys though.

Super Gamer Q

The fate fandom in the community will not let them drop the show after heavens feel, I promise you we will get them to watch the spin-offs.

Peter II

No, made in abyss is not as bad as you think it is

Exit

I’m very sad by this. I’ve been waiting for years for MiA to win and was very excited that it finally did. I even cleared my schedule after being busy with university stuff for the whole week so I can re watch the show with you guys today, but didn’t realise you guys had made this post. I could understand if you guys give this show a chance, but then drop it midway if it’s not you guys’ cup of tea. However this is just cruel for people who keep voting for this show again and again, just for it to lose painfully close to another show, hoping one day it could finally wins, then finds out it didn’t matter in the first place 😭

Jay

Things like that happen don't worry about it. In my opinion it's totally worth the trauma though, it's kinda that good.

yeaterknine

did they make a statement about not watching psycho-pass before? Cause I guess it is a little dark but its such a good story, and I never see it ion the polls.

Dirkmann

honestly, i did not even want mia to win, and i am not particularly interested in watching it either. but i think what makes this so much worse than just being disappointed about a show not getting picked is that it retroactively changes the meaning of all those previous polls. you kept voting for mia, watching it lose by a small margin over and over again, thinking that maybe one day it would finally win. and when it finally does, you find out that your vote might never have had the chance to lead to the outcome you thought you were voting for. it is not just that you lost the show you were looking forward to. it is realizing that all those previous attempts might have been pointless, because even if you had won earlier, the result apparently would not have mattered anyway. and i think that is what a lot of people are missing when they say nobody can force the reactors to watch something they do not want to watch. of course they cannot. that is not the point. the point is that they put a show up for a community vote without checking beforehand whether they were actually willing to watch it, and only addressed that issue after the community had already voted. they could have avoided all of this by doing their research beforehand. instead, the people who trusted the process are the ones paying the price for their lack of preparation. i can completely understand why that would feel awful.

Nik

Im sad to hear that I wont get to enjoy a rewatch of Made In Abyss with you guys. Its one of my favourite shows of all time, its beautiful, thought-provoking, deep and doesnt hold any punches. Despite all of that I totally respect your decision! I do hope you would reconsider sometime in the future whenever you might feel more up for it. Anyhow, I look forward to watch more anime with you regardless <3

XDrakeX

Lol what? If you watched Mushoku Tensei and Takopis original sin then this is nothing. Its a great advendure anime. I dont know what kind of people are trying to influence you to not watch it but there are also a lot of people who try to influence people to not watch Mushoku Tensei for example. And people who are listening to those people instead of making up their own experiences are missing out on great stories. Just something to think about.

Rostislav

@Alvaro Vesga If subscribing to services guarantees nothing, then piracy isn’t theft. Is that what you’re trying to say? lol You can think whatever you like, but people pay money expecting something in return; if you’re in favour of giving money away for nothing, then go on, I’ll give you my card details and you can send me some 😂 I’ve still got nearly a year left on my subscription, even though I hardly watch anything at the moment apart from ‘Faith’, and I’ll probably renew it. It’s their choice to listen to GPT rather than their audience, and I realise I can’t influence that and don’t intend to. Just don’t pretend you don’t understand why subscribers aren’t happy with this situation involving GPT

ZhangShuYi

Someone isn’t happy with their decision, lmao. Are you forgetting they watched Tapoki’s original sin?