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Mad Men, Season 6, Episode 10 (Patreon)

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"A Tale of Two Cities"

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Actuarial Lurker

So will Joan squeeze herself into a Marketing Job? We saw in Season 2 when she was assisting Harry read scripts that she was great with clients...or will the men "put her in her place"

Actuarial Lurker

Another run to California BUT with Roger and Harry...and we get to see...DANNY

Jesus

I think this episode is a great sequel to The Crash’s theme of the 70s coming for Don and Don not handling the hard change in cultural norms. Dude wore the squarest suit possible to a Hollywood pool party.

Actuarial Lurker

So the episode is called "A Tale of Two Cities" and we see the start of the "Revolution" in the US with the 1968 Democratic Convention and Nixon about to do the Southern strategy. But this is mirrored in the firm with Joan revolting against her "Office Manager" role and Pete calls what she did "A Revolt". Now we see the real Jim Cutler trying to pull a coup while Don, Roger and Harry are out of town in CA. Pete rightly calls the "Sterling Cooper and Partners" firm name for what it is- a distraction from what Cutler is doing. So YES- Jim Cutler is our new Duck Phillips- he is crafty, has accounts, and is a PARTNER, unlike Duck....so let's watch the fireworks begin And of course we see Ginsburg call Cutler a Nazi and Cutler call Ginsburg a hypocrite whose paycheck comes from Dow and their napalm....and the show features Harper Valley PTA to underscore the cynicism and hypocrisy

Actuarial Lurker

We get to see what Ronald Regan really was when Don and Roger visit the client and learn what the Far Right really wanted instead of Nixon- and we were stuck with that guy for 8 years...

Actuarial Lurker

Well now we know what happened to PFC Dinkins from the opener...and we finish the "A Star is Born" metaphor from the opener with "high" Don walking into the swimming pool and almost drowning until Rogers resuscitates him

Actuarial Lurker

Kevin has it right- the pool party with Danny is Versailles to keep the Tale of Two Cities metaphor going

Actuarial Lurker

So with Don high on Hashish we see what he really wants in Megan- a pregnant hippie wife who makes him feel young and who doesn't have a career

Weird Magic

Originally airing on June 2, 2013, 'A Tale of Two Cities' is Episode 10 of Season 6 of Mad Men. It is the 75th episode overall and has an IMDB rating of 8.1, placing it as the #8 ranked episode of this season and #49 out of all the episodes shown so far.

Hawaiian Shirt Funeral

I love that final shot. The 1960s have arrived. I think in large part this season is about the inevitability of change. On the micro level, big changes for our characters. Don and Megan, Peggy and Abe, Pete and Trudy, plus the company is in upheaval. On the macro level, at the end of season five the ad pitches were about rejecting the cultural shift. Don and Roger, two men, walked through protestors to pitch Dow on the idea that despite the noise outside Dow is an upstanding company dutifully supplying the US military. Now Peggy and Joan, two women, are pitching Avon by mocking the idea that Avon's marketing comes off as "unintentionally old fashioned" and the only person who really gives a shit is Pete. When his complaints go no where? Like you guys said, if you can't beat them, join them. The episode ends with Pete joining the 1960s.

Youtalkingtome
>>136802792

I think Joan will make it. For her character to come this far and not succeed will be far too dark. Even for this shows standards.

Youtalkingtome
>>136837839

They sure have. I really can't wait to see the next episode. How fast do they embrace that and it's already clear that Don is on the outside looking in, in that regard. Everyone around him is changing. Does he make a change? Does he implode? What does that look like?

Actuarial Lurker
>>136808643

We don't know- just as Don "crossed into the other world" in Hawaii and didn't speak in the Season 6 opener....did Don "cross-over" while half-dead in the pool? The implications are that when he in CA he is in touch with himself because of Anna- remember how he returns after the Mountain King episode visit in Season 2 after re-baptizing himself in the Pacific, to reunite with Betty...and he learns Anna is dying on the next trip and then has his "men's day out" with Lane with Godzilla, Steak and the escorts- so this may be Don finally reaching his subconscious wishes and just "knowing" Dinkins is dead and realizing he wants Megan to be a an "Earth Mother" type

Actuarial Lurker
>>136837839

The Orange Couch has emerged as a meme. Pete initiates it with the drug use on the couch and appears again in later episodes (not as a piece of furniture)....thats all I will say

Actuarial Lurker
>>136802792

Start of the women's revolution? Peggy stabs Abe by accident and her two mentors close the door in her face at the same time. She backs Joan who accepts the help. In Season 4 she tried to get Faye Miller's name to network and was rebuffed, and fired Joey and was told by Joan that she could have used her own wiles with dinner with the Sugarberry Ham CEO to get Joey dropped...maybe now the women are realizing that they have to take power themselves?

Actuarial Lurker
>>136802879

Danny does to Roger- punching him in the balls- what Bert Peterson, who was fired twice, couldn't...

tom

I love enlightened Roger, lol. He's still a dick, still never shuts up, still witty, still immature, and he's still himself, but every now and then he'll say something with a hint of wisdom that makes you remember how he's changed. I love how it always vaguely surprises the people around him and they don't know how to react.

tom

The Peggy and Joan talk feels much needed. They've gradually bonded over time and share snarky talks together as an almost audience surrogate to release the tension by commentating on events -- talking about the new British employees, Don and Megan getting married, Megan moving on to acting, etc -- but they never really had a plot that tied them together. This one culminating in that argument felt much needed, and it was satisfying seeing the past be addressed, like with Peggy pointing out how Joan did give her a hard time back in the beginning of the show. Which in turn reminds us how much things have changed, something every episode in this season does well at as we hurtle through to the end of the 60s. But it's one of the most surprisingly happy conclusions for a plot like this (remember the S2 plot with Harry where she gets indirectly kicked off the job? heartbreaking), with Peggy's little scheme resolving not just the workplace problem but the emotional conflict of Joan not thinking she believed in her. By putting it on the line and going "You better hope they do call you" it shows that she believes in Joan's abilities, and forces Joan to as well, rather than just running on defiance (which ran out, as we saw her like a deer in headlights in that meeting).

tom

Don outwardly observing how usually he feels better when he goes to California is an interesting change. This time, he imagines Megan and a pregnant one at that, a fantasy that invites him back to domesticity rather than one that pushes him away. Because his psychology is so complex and messed up, it brings me no comfort that he thinks of that. And as Joe mentioned, it's all wrapped up in the idea of death yet again (you mentioned the theme of death in the early episodes and were thinking of another one, I think you were thinking of Roger's mother dying and the whole funeral situation then (or was it before) Don's hotel pitch that unintentionally alluded to suicide). Interesting contrast there, with Megan's pregnancy alluding to life. And then Don nearly drowning in the pool, back to death.

tom

Bob moving on up! And Cutler wanting to fire Ginsberg, my reading of the scene is he comes across like a guilty child trying to coyly ask for something he know will get shut down. I think he thinks of it as "I wish this guy was gone" but he wasn't expecting Ted to say yes. He's very childish and gross like with being a peeping tom, but I don't think he's any more malicious of morally compromised than a lot of people in this show. It's funny how when arguing with Ginsberg he only loses it at Bob, "WHY ARE YOU ALWAYS DOWN HERE?"

Actuarial Lurker
>>136803458

Before you watch the next few episodes maybe you and Kevin should read the title of the episode and incorporate that into the "pre-show" banter and then see what you think after as well...this is when the audience in real time saw the "oblique" almost banal titles would try to guess the spoilers and see if they were right...A tale of two cities on its surface is just NYC and LA but becomes "A Tale of Two Cities" only AFTER watching the episode

Youtalkingtome
>>136864253

I hope we get another strong episode between the two of them. At least another storyline where they have to rely on one another because they're collective arc has been outstanding.

Youtalkingtome
>>136865136

The theme is just hanging over the show right now. No pun intended. Even more so than the last season which actually had a death. I'm very curious what it's leading too.

Youtalkingtome
>>136867142

I know. Everyone is so crappy towards Bob, which is why I'm so suspicious of him. I really like his character and he's obviously an opportunist. I just hope his character is being genuine in his compassion.

Brian Harris

The reason you haven’t seen the actor who plays Pete (Vincent Kartheiser) around since the show ended is that he’s reportedly a massive pain in the ass, a trait which unfortunately outweighs his considerable talent. 😬

Actuarial Lurker
>>136944483

According yo Wikipedia: "In 2021, Kartheiser appeared in season three of Titans as Jonathan Crane. Kartheiser was the subject of at least two complaints and two internal investigations by Warner Bros Television over allegations of disruptive, juvenile behavior and inappropriate comments on set. The first investigation concluded that Kartheiser's behavior warranted corrective action. The second complaint was received several weeks later and resulted in the studio assigning a representative to monitor Kartheiser on set. There were reportedly other complaints of alleged misconduct which were investigated but not corroborated. Kartheiser denied the allegations, with his spokesperson stating, "Warner Bros investigated this matter and made clear to Mr. Kartheiser its expectations for behavior on the set, and he agreed to comply with their directives"-...I dug deeper out of interest and concern and there didn't appear to be any "me too" complaints but his marriage to Alexis Beidel fell apart after 8 year in 2022 (remember she played the woman who was getting electroshock treatment by the Insurance Sales guy from Pete's Metro North commuter train to the suburbs) who Pete had an affair with in Season 5 and who he married in real life.... so his life seems to be a mess

Actuarial Lurker
>>136864253

No spoilers- but if you were a writer on this show and brought this topic up a few times now with Joey, with Herb demanding sex to get Jaguar, with Peggy trying to network and bond with Faye after "The Letter" and now this- you wouldn't expect them to drop the subject

Youtalkingtome
>>136944483

Man that's really unfortunate. I can't believe he was going to play a live action version of Scarecrow. I think he would be perfect for that role. So I guess he didn't have to act too hard to bring Pete to life lol. Very upsetting to hear that he is not an awesome guy.

heheheheheh

It's crazy how much of today's events mirror the ones depicted on the show. I empathize with Ginzberg's feelings towards his employers, but also feel like a hypocrite.