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Mad Men, Season 6, Episode 11 (Patreon)

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IThe AuthorityI

When you started season 6, this was the episode I was waiting for. One of the most shocking moments on the show.

Jesus

Complete devastation of the most important relationship he’s had

Jesus

Also sweet Yoakam shirt

Actuarial Lurker

So last week I said to watch for the Coppola-esque moment in this episode. In the dreadful but funny Bram Stoker's Dracula with the great Gary Oldman and the awful Keanu Reeves we see Dracula "take" Lucy in the gardens of the mansion and says "Do Not See Me" to Mina. Here Don tries to tell Sally "Do Not See Me"....you were wondering if Megan would catch Don and how he was $hitting where he eats. Well little did you know it would be SALLY to catch him and then Don try to gaslight her. If that isn't the fall from grace...imagine what the Season Finale is...

Actuarial Lurker

So Don almost screws up Chevy....and we learn a lot about what Bob has in common with Salvatore

Actuarial Lurker

Manolo IS the nurse introduced by Bob who is "pleasuring" Pete's dementing mother

Chris

Is this the first episode that doesn’t end with music over the credits?

Actuarial Lurker

So it is a series of favors with side consequences. Do you do a favor expecting something in return- even if its good will? Ted does a favor for Don to get his juice, Don for Mitchell, but then there are the sexual favors offered by Peggy to Stan to deal with the Rat, what Don was doing to get back in Sylvia's pants, what Manolo was providing to Pete's mother...what Bob wants to offer Pete. What Bob did for Joan to save his job with the ovarian cyst

Weird Magic

Originally airing on June 9, 2013, 'Favors' is Episode 11 of Season 6 of Mad Men. It is the 76th episode overall and has an IMDB rating of 8.7, placing it as the #3 ranked episode of this season and #17 out of all the episodes shown so far.

Youtalkingtome
>>137475660

Man you're not lyin. The fact that it's Sally that catches them. My jaw was on the floor. The Bob revelation was also shocking.

Youtalkingtome
>>137478800

Oof it was tough man. It must be a huge fall from grace. I need to revisit Dracula. It's been so long and I really don't remember that scene.

JVTrickypants

I'm also waiting until I can afford AMC so I can run through watching this great show as well. Of course created by Soprano's writer Matthew Weiner....and rejected by basically (no pun intended) every network and cable station multiple times. His spec script of the Mad Men pilot is what got him hired by David Chase. From interviews he's given (Talking Sopranos) he credits writing on Becker with Ted Danson (damn, how many great shows can one man do??) at the beginning of his career for his success. As Kevin is currently enjoying and Joe already knows, one of the best parts of The Soprano's is how there are so, so, so many overt and subtle jokes. Writing great drama isn't easy, but the writers/shows who can do both (The West Wing, The Sopranos, Breaking Bad, even Scrubs for laugh/cry change ups) are the shows that are consistently the best.

Jesus

Don wrecking Sally’s last shred of innocence was visceral. Amazing film-making around that moment.

Hawaiian Shirt Funeral

I've always thought this episode does a great job of highlighting that Don Draper doesn't work in the late 1960s. To get away with his bullshit he needs the life he had the early 1960s. Family in the suburbs, affairs in city, solo act professionally. Now his family lives a few floors from his philandering; he needs to work with Ted instead of being this mysterious stranger at work. He kind of looks like shit in a lot of the shots physically. You'd feel bad for him if he wasn't doing it to himself.

tom

THAT scene always feels me with such sinking dread. Don at rock bottom, literally caught with his pants down. I love the way it's structured in the season, that we get the more cathartic end to the affair earlier in the season, then we get Don trying to rekindle with Sylvia and failing but seemingly getting over it in the drug episode. Somehow, they actually ended things and were able to move forward. The fact that their situation in this episode is a relapse for both of them is very important for the tragedy of it all. We find out about it at the same time as Sally, and it's a stupid thing that shouldn't have happened -- they were both in the clear, they could have forgotten about it but they also couldn't and so they didn't. Not to mention how the only reason Sally was there in the first place was because of something completely different, the weird little coincidental circumstances -- yet it also feeling inevitable -- again building to that tragedy feeling. "You make me sick!" -- one of the iconic lines and moments of the show.

Youtalkingtome
>>137503442

Sopranos is fantastic at comedy. MM has several scenes that are laugh out loud hilarious as well. I've never seen Becker, but hearing that he wrote on it makes me wanna watch it.

Youtalkingtome
>>137508818

He looks terrible constantly. The show has flipped his character around. Our perception of him has changed almost completely.

Robert Bauman

We have seen Don go through turmoil at home before, and at work for some of this season. But we had never seen him really have conflict with his kids. Despite being a somewhat absentee father, he always seemed to enjoy being around his kids and they seemed to genuinely like their Dad. Sally in particular always seemed to have a preference for him over Betty. I just don't see any way that this moment doesn't profoundly change how Sally views Don moving forward. Maybe he can salvage it somewhat, but I can't imagine how mentally scarring that probably was for her (I'm sure she can connect the dots about why her parents are divorced now). Add this to the already existing work and marriage issues, and Don is quickly approaching the edge of a cliff.

Robert Bauman

You guys also picked up on how disheveled and sloppy Don looks at various points of this episode. I feel like this has to be intentional from the writers to coincide with his unraveling. "Don Draper" is a carefully curated person/creation, but with each mistake and bad decision the well put together handsome 1950's archetype is slowly disintegrating. The problem for Don is he has not interest in confronting the issues the Draper persona is masking. If stuff actually does fall apart I don't think even he knows what he would do.

Youtalkingtome
>>137693028

That's so true. She's at an age where she can put things together. I feel really bad for her character but I'm also interested to see how this develops her.

Youtalkingtome
>>137693273

I don't think he knows either. I like that his appearance is changing and not for the better. He is so out of style and sometimes just gross looking. The end is near and I can't wait to see how this plays out.

Actuarial Lurker
>>137693028

Sally is 13 turning 14 in Season 6- which would be 8th grade- so she definitely knows that BOTH her parents are hypocrites

steve borden

Wasn’t Sunkist a thing Roger got when they were in California, Don at no point cared about Sunkist and just kept moving the work on to others. So a lot more people other than Don and Roger just ignored the memos. Ted’s wife even pointed what we’ve known since the Ted character was introduced, he just likes to go head up with Don and puts most of his time and energy into doing that while clearly neglecting his home live, like most of the other characters. She also alluded to him enjoying taking one of his young copy writers up on flights in the past Don has clearly checked out and Ted’s insecurities about Don have him thinking anything he does is some calculated plan against him.

Youtalkingtome
>>137979233

The insecurities of these men are wild. I don't think Don actually cares about anything there. He is picking fights to make himself feel better. I truly believe that's what that was in this episode.