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Mad Men, Season 7, Episode 10 (Patreon)

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The Forecast

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Cole

The last 4 episodes are in my top 10. This show finished better than any other imo.

Toban Allison
>>145247924

I came away from the ending with two very different feelings and I think both are correct, ultimately. Somehow they appropriately concluded and summarized the whole series in its last few minutes. It's kind of miraculous. It may not be the flashiest finale but it might be the deftest. It's quite an achievement IMO

Actuarial Lurker

So we have kids trying to be adults and adults acting like kids

Actuarial Lurker

Love to see Sally REJECTING BOTH her parents and showing that she has hope to be better than both

Actuarial Lurker

Yes we get Glen finally going for Betty as if she were his "MILF"....ugh...he's 19 about to be 20...

Actuarial Lurker

So Joan refused to be the "fake wife" to gay Bob Benson. She didn't want Roger in her life, is this new guy played by Bruce Greenwood Mr. Right?

Actuarial Lurker

Don has to dig out the sales pitch from 1964 from their "purloined S3 ending start-up" since he doesn't even know why he is still in advertising enough to come up with a "forecast"...there are FOUR episodes 11-14 left for him to solve his existential crisis

Actuarial Lurker

Loved Sally's line..."you're a little late.......and so am I" just to ruffle Betty

Actuarial Lurker

So Glen looks like the drummer from Grand Funk Railroad....

Actuarial Lurker
>>145247924

You asked whether Don would spiral up or spiral down. Now that you see that he had to ask other people why he is even in the business what do you think will happen? Don IS now free as you both pointed out- no house, grown kids, no wife, rich....how will he find himself?

tom

The Megan thing is understandable but so is the backlash (provided people are being civil). I mean imagine jumping from the dysfunction of their marriage in Season 5 to this ending where she's seen as the bad guy. It's just unlucky for Megan that she ended up at her worst here and Don is climbing to his best, but it doesn't and shouldn't erase how their marriage was nor the things he put her through.

tom

Mad Men has a lot of cringe... but that scene with Mathis where he tries to use Don's line... This is actually the first time I've been able to watch the scene without muting or closing my eyes (even my first watch of this episode I could tell what was coming and had to look away). Having you guys there made the cringe a little more bearable because I knew you had to bear the brunt of it, lol! The point he makes though, like the scene with Ginsberg in the elevator, is a Don reflection scene for the ages. Many people point it out as a justified calling out of Don's character. I'm not sure how I feel. Don definitely has skill and talent otherwise he wouldn't get where he is, but no one can deny the role that his appearance plays in his charisma. And on a specific level, I mean if what he's saying is true then the Lee Garner, Jr. does hold some merit as it's an example of how Don can get away with things someone else might not be able to. Whatever your interpretation, it's a good microcosm of the many "Person tries to be Don and fails" scenes, because it lasts all of about 10 seconds. Actually if you tie it into the Sally story ending, kind of interesting juxtaposed ideas, this guy tries to emulate Don and it fails; Sally wants to avoid emulating her parents and Don tells her that'll fail. Idk a reach maybe

tom

It's kind of interesting how Cynical Peggy is not so cynical after all. She's changed so much from the first season but there's a definite pure sense of hope and optimism she carries with her (fitting since her character often represents passing the torch and the progress of new times) otherwise she wouldn't have gotten so mad at Don. As cranky and bitter as she can be, the thing that can make her snap from a good mood to a bad one is when the master of cynicism himself Don Draper laughs at her dreams, even if he was well-meaning. Also I love Pete and Peggy both running to Don in the hallway and catching him at the same time.

tom

Seeing Sally grow from a kid to a petulant tween to an even more petulant teenager, but still with an undercurrent of adolescent cynicism and rebelliousness is one of my favorite parts of this show. They lucked out with the actress (who happens to actually look like she could be a child of Jon Hamm and January Jones) and I find her moodiness so entertaining in the last couple of seasons. I love that it builds to an explosion where she's just disillusioned by both of her parents -- we've saw her favoring Don, then Betty, then Don again and now she's realized they're both the same. Yet Don's response is a fair and measured one, and it demonstrates a clear shift in motives in this recent arc because he's actually started to conceptualize the importance of his children and is engaging with them as real humans. That scene with the bus isn't as astoundingly sweet as the one in the car ("Happy Valentine's Day. I love you") but it's a really great Don-Sally scene nonetheless and a confrontation I always remember vividly.

tom

Betty and Sally getting along for once -- albeit temporarily, as I'm sure you expected judging by your wariness when noting their dynamic -- is great and I love Sally's little pregnancy joke. The fact that Betty also takes Sally's joke about her age on the chin is a huge sign of Betty's character development. Can you imagine Season 3, 4 or 5 Betty being called old like that and not letting it absolutely ruin her day? The Glen stuff... definitely one of those "people are weird" Mad Men situations, where they just have a character to portray the unyielding strangeness of humans. Like you both mentioned it's weird that Betty is so reciprocal to him, she turns him down obviously (the fact that she says "it's because I'm married" is maybe telling) but her spacing out when Sally asks her a question because she was staring at him... lol.

tom

The Joan focus this episode was more dense than I thought, I remembered everything in this one episode being spread across many. It's definitely quick and romcom-esque how she meets this guy and they both fall headfirst into it, but it's also realistic in that way sort of like when Peggy was about to go to to Europe with a guy after the first date. Joan's character is juggling a lot of driving forces... luxury and decadence; work and her career; motherhood/family; the rush of lust and love. We see in this episode and the one where she turns down Bob, that she doesn't want an arrangement or just a partner: she wants love. We see the swirling together of her career with wealth, her enjoying both work and showering herself in expensive clothes and now hand-tailored room service (is it enjoying the fruits of her labor she enjoys or simply opulence itself? or maybe the sheer contrast from her messy, very un-opulent life at home). Then the mother thing is woven throughout the story and such a big part of her character from S5 onwards. I love that scene where she yells "You're ruining my life" in frustration and then you just hear the cutest voice ever saying bye to her, ugh! Where all these facets and considerations go we'll have to see (4 episodes left not 3, thankfully, by the way) but as I'm anticipating the finale these are the things I'm thinking about.

tom
>>145255360

Honestly for me it's this vague hum of emptiness that hits home hardest for me with Don's character. His dramatic alcoholic crashes or his tearful speeches or his long contemplations with identity hit hard and are great television, but this slow "What am I even doing?" in the middle of the most mundane day is so relatable

tom
>>145247924

What do you mean the show isn't going to end with a high-speed helicopter chase as Don has to tell (insert female love interest) that he loves her, but she's getting on a plane and he might not make it to the airport in time?

Actuarial Lurker
>>145401501

Megan knew Don had found his match in Faye and hit on him that night at the office anyway...when he slept with BOTH within a few hours. When her father Emile told her to pursue her acting and then she begged Don to get her in the Butler show ad as Cinderella when he walks off the stage to "You Only Live Twice" I always thought she was as grasping as Don or Bert Cooper and not some "innocent"

Robert Bauman

FYI there are 4 episodes remaining. Split season so there was 14 total in S7. You are right that they are closing off the story lines for a lot of the secondary characters. Most of the intrigue (aside from Don) is closing the loop for the characters who have been with SCDP since Season 1. Since the show spans 7 season and a decade of time you really have been with the main cast for a long time.

Robert Bauman

Interesting discussion re Megan. It is true the ugliest version of her we see is the last one, definitely a lot of her insecurity about her career and her life in general is showing. I think since that is the final version of her we see, that is how a lot of Mad Men viewers remember her, which is understandable to some degree but not entirely fair IMO. I think being married to Don wore her down and took away a lot of the optimism/sunny personality and left her pretty bitter. Season 5 Megan was super cool, but every good thing seems to be fleeting when it comes to Don Draper. I do think it's interesting that the worst version of both Don's ex-wives is right after the divorce (Season 4 Betty is also a miserable person to be around lol). Think that shows how corrosive and damaging being married to Don can be.

Weird Magic

As someone who likes but not loves Mad Men please forgive if this sounds like a dig...but I don't get the end story to Megan. She knew what she was getting with Don from the start and then can't forgive him when she got it. What was the point of the threesome, just to have that titillation in the show? It didn't seem like there was a relationship between Megan and the other woman either, cuz that was awkward for her the next morning as well. The Glenn storyline was always a weird juxtaposition to me, never seemed to fit Betty's character when Glenn was 11 YO, maybe it does more now I don't know. But other than disagreeing with her current hubby's war stance, it doesn't seem like her marriage is in trouble but now she's got wandering eyes for a kid she knew when he was pre-pubescent? As for the Series ending - I'm really hoping I like it more than I did the first time through. I didn't dislike it, but didn't love it either. I know I'm in the minority here but really hope the J&K experience will assist my enjoyment and understanding through the final legs (as honestly they have done previously in this and other shows) :) Originally airing on April 19, 2015, 'The Forecast' is Episode 10 of Season 7 of Mad Men. It is the 88th episode overall and has an IMDB rating of 8.3, placing it as the #10 ranked episode of this season and #41 out of all the episodes shown so far.

Youtalkingtome
>>145521624

I think Megan was trying to get her husband to notice her with the threesome. I feel like she obviously felt distant from him so that was her trying. Even though it was too late. Maybe she knew it was but didn't wanna acknowledge it. Plus the age gap between her and Don. They're from different worlds. The Glenn situation is a complex one. They've always had this weird connection to one another. If she really had a wandering eye for him, I think something would have happened in the kitchen. Idk it gives you a lot to think about.

Youtalkingtome
>>145484335

Don does have a way of poisoning everything around him. He pushes people way and really beats them down. Megans storyline has one hell of an arc but it's not a happy one. While Don struggles to be a better person he has left a broken one behind him.

Youtalkingtome
>>145401925

I really look forward to the Don and Sally scenes. You actually buy the fact that he is her Dad and his complicated relationship with love in general makes the scenes with his kids so powerful.

Youtalkingtome
>>145401848

Peggy's character makes me really sad. I'm happy for her success but I would not call her a happy person at all. Her story seems tragic

Youtalkingtome
>>145401524

To be fair, he should have known he isn't Don. I do love his line "You're just handsome." It's so true! Don is good but how much of it is just charm and looks? Maybe that's all there is to it?

Youtalkingtome
>>145401501

We absolutely don't forget that Don has put her through it and he will always be in the wrong. She was a great wife to him and he betrayed her. That being said she isn't as innocent as she came off. I would not call her a bad person but she wasn't an angel. Everyone on this show is just deeply human

Actuarial Lurker
>>145402313

Does Joan "need" a man...or was she raised to expect to "manipulate" them with her looks...remember in Season 2 she told peggy to stop dressing like a little girl and Bobbie Barrett saying to Peggy while recovering from the DUI crash" stop trying to be a man and use your woman power"- two sides of the same coin. Can Joan apply that to herself?

Actuarial Lurker
>>145521624

Having watched Mad Men I believe 7 times before this 8th watch through with you guys I agreed with Weird Magic that on the first 3 or 4 watches I did NOT like season 7A or 7B. But recently I see how 7B fits in with Season 5 in particular- I won't spoil it. you'll get a different perspective especially with where episode 11 which yiuare watching tonight takes you....