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Mad Men, Season 7, Episode 13 (Patreon)

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The Milk and Honey Route

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Cole

This episode has the saddest moment and happiest moment in the entire show for me. The Pete and Trudy conversation is probably my favourite scene in the entire show. 7 seasons we’ve been waiting for him to find whats actually important to him, and he finally has, and it’s the thing he’s had all along.

Cole

“We loved the idea of her realizing her purpose in life right when she ran out of time.” This a quote from Mathew wiener about betty. The most cruel shit I’ve ever heard lol. I understand why they made this choice. It fits with the theme of her character and the show, etc. but that still doesn’t make it any easier, and I will still never forgive them.

Cole

The finale scene with everyday by Buddy holly is a top 3 episode closer of any episode I’ve seen i think. Everything from dons smile, the simplicity of the shot, how don is finally stripped away of all material possessions. It’s just done so perfectly and beautifully.

Weird Magic

You guys did a viewing "on location" In one of the earliest episodes of the show - is that going to return for the finale? (or maybe just the Old Fashioned's) :)

Actuarial Lurker

Brutal episode with Betty and Henry...she finds herself a bit too late. And "The Letter" strikes again...Betty is one of the countless victims of Don's profession selling cancer sticks. The foreshadowing was VERY long...with "Grandpa Gene" telling Betty repeatedly in Season 3 to stop smoking...and then the audience thinking back and realizing Betty had a cigarette hanging out of her mouth practically ALL day long in almost EVERY scene she has been in since Season 1- and now you see why the writers tried to make us hate her so we could feel all the more guilty now....

Actuarial Lurker

Duck Phillips does "redeem himself"...he has helped save Pete and Trudy's marriage...but it took Pete realizing he didn't have to prove himself to his parents or his coworkers- just his family- he has been stripped just as Don is doing some Buddhist-style detachment

Actuarial Lurker

Everyone got 50% of their payout up front and 50% paid out over their contract term. So Joan got over $500K upfront since her share was just over $1M and then $250K of the rest to leave- so gets $750K in the end

Cole
>>147211264

I think the sound was an issue when they did that last time so probably not.

Weird Magic
>>147211264

It was mostly a tongue in cheek request - but considering how much they love Mad Men - it should be celebrated in some way

Dylan Hearts

Betty's journey from season 1 to this episode is an impressive storytelling and this send-off is one of the most profound and touching I've ever saw in TV series. It's not overtly sentimental and respects Betty by letting her staying true to her principles. It has that kind of melancholy where you're sad about the news of inevitable demise of a beloved character, but at the same time you feel so much pride for her. Despite her life being rudely and untimely interrupted (obviously, the series deliberately doesn't show Betty's death, but we all understand what'll happen in a year in Mad Men's reality), it was lived fully and with dignity. "Sally, I always worried about you because you always marched to the beat of your own drum. But now I know that's good" - Betty in S1 wouldn't express such deep maturity in short terms. She came a long way from simply being someone's wife/mother/daughter/ex-wife to living with the purpose she chose herself despite what her upbringing and the society build her to accomplish (with a subtle presence of her past negativity which only adds high level of complexity to her personality). I love that the last shot of Betty was her going up the staircase through pain and weariness - she maybe decided not to fight for her life (for reasons she explained well and I totally support it), but at least she will live her remaining time on Earth as herself - without compromises and any guilt. She is free on her path same as Don is sitting on the bench in the end of the episode. Does it matter if the path ends in death or making another important life decision? Is the result, the goal, the target are relevant at all? Move... always move forward, not in the past, but to the next day, next evening, next hour... Eventually everything ends, and Mad Men too, only question is what our descendants feel about our life looking back at the past in a desperate search for answers in their quest for ultimate happiness. All these characters - Don, Peggy, Roger, Joan, Pete and Betty - were people who made decent decisions in life and big mistakes in life, imperfect creatures which now forever immortalized in our collective memory. Only one episode left. Our last chance for the first time to say goodbye to all of them, to let go, to move on - with warm gratitude raising our glasses for this great boat created by Matthew Weiner and the cast and crew. It was a hella fun and exciting cruise!

Actuarial Lurker

The confession to the Veterans and then giving away his car is further shedding like the Season 5 Hawaii "Star is Born" Ad

Brian Harris

I kind of hate Don’s entire storyline here. I just don’t believe it. It feels like a shortcut to character development. But it sure is well-acted and directed. However, this might be my favorite Pete episode, and Pete’s arc is my favorite out of all of them. The best thing about Mad Men, to me, is that more so than any TV series I’ve ever watched, these people feel like they were real people who lived and died and impacted the world in big and small ways, and the small ways were most important. I have a notion of what the rest of all their lives were like, but Pete’s is clearest to me, because I think he lived a very long time. I picture an old man living in a gated community in Wichita. He used to play golf on the weekends, but his arthritis keeps him off the course now. He’s the only one of his neighbors and business associates who won’t talk about who he voted for the last two elections. He thinks Trump is gauche, garish, and ghastly, a new-money con artist who represents everything he left New York because of. He’s cranky about Democrats too, he’ll bash them more or less anytime. His kids think he’s a crank. But his wife remembers a certain Election Night some years back, where she watched her husband watching a skinny guy with a funny name giving a victory speech on TV. She saw his old man’s eyes shine like a boy’s with wonder, and she heard him mutter, irrepressibly and maybe unconsciously, “A thing like that!”

Actuarial Lurker

The scene where Henry breaks down at Sally's boarding school dorm shows that he really did love her....and the voiced over funeral arrangements letter to Sally- we realize Betty has grown up since she didn't even want to hear Gene's desires when he knew he did not have long to live and finally realizes that it IS the adult and responsible thing to do

Actuarial Lurker

Don reading the Godfather in 1970- so he still can track culture since he instinctively knows that this is a "thing"

Actuarial Lurker

Betty pauses under the stained glass window on the stairs up to class- she has found redemption...

Actuarial Lurker

All that Don has (other than his millions) is in a Sears bag....he followed the Hobos advice from the flashback

Actuarial Lurker

Th only ones we NEVER see smoke are Pete and Trudy- edit- not true based on Dylan Hearts observations below

Dylan Hearts
>>147220114

Not true. Many characters didn't smoked: Burt Cooper, Ted Chaogh, Ginsberg and Cutler, Bob Benson. There are other names that I probably forgot. Henry didn't smoked either which gives the scene where he throws out the cigarettes from Betty's hand in the car after her diagnosis revelation additional subtext.

Actuarial Lurker
>>147206261

It shows the variety of life- some find purpose "just in time", others never do, we have a one more episode to see if Harry has a soul for example.

Actuarial Lurker
>>147215233

Pete being born in 1934 (he was 26 in 1960 in Season 1) would have been 74 in 2008 so definitely could have seen that. He'd be 90 today so might still be around

Actuarial Lurker
>>147220114

I stand corrected- you are right... the younger people seem to not do it. As an actuary smoking prevalence in the US was something like 85% at the end of WWII, was 50% in the 60s and now is under 10%....if you count cannibis- which is unfiltered and has 20x the tar then I bet many of the characters other than Ginsburg, Ted and Bob probably have some lung cancer risk

Cole
>>147206520

I mean from this one. I wouldn’t spoil the finale scene of the show like that lol.

Youtalkingtome
>>147214500

I must admit, this brought a tear to my eye reading. The journey of all these characters is unlike anything I've ever seen.

Youtalkingtome
>>147215233

I do see what you're saying, I can see clearly where Pete heads up. Don is way more uncertain and I really am enjoying it.

Actuarial Lurker
>>147212230

Duck stopped doing the headhunting for revenge and just did it to help Pete while still making his commission. Several characters are learning that they can do well by doing good. Kenny- so far- wanted to exact revenge against Pete and McCann by going to Dow instead of just retiring to be a writer- this episode at first watch led me to wonder if Kenny would find peace in the finale

tom

I like the "So many you don't have to work no more?" line. It's shrewd in how its surface layer is us as the audience laughing at the crude rationale of thinking you get rich in advertising on the quantity of ads you sell, but then it's a critique of capitalism / the idea of meritocracy when it sinks in that no one can get that rich proportional to the amount of hard work required... if you divided how much money Don has made by how much he could make doing a week's worth as a copywriter, it would probably illuminate that he couldn't make a pure salary off of labor in a whole lifetime.

tom

"They want to get me a new one, I like this one" reminds me of the very first scene of the show with Don talking to a busboy about his cigarettes and how he likes that specific brand, doing his own research for Lucky Strike way back when. Even the way he says it makes me feel like it was an intentional parallel.

Weird Magic
>>147211264

yeah - again, was tongue in cheek and just reminiscing back to find a different way to ask if you were going to do anything special next week

Actuarial Lurker
>>147215233

The first couple of times I watched the show I found the whole "chasing a waitress who looks slightly like Rachel Menken: to be contrived. They needed a catalyst for him to leave just to point him to SOME city before he starts wandering the Earth like Jules in Pulp Fiction as was nicely put in the reaction. The whole idea of seeing the plane fly past the Empire State building in the Miller Beer meeting and saying "F it, I'm out of here" and then detaching from everything DID maker sense

Actuarial Lurker
>>147215367

There is a transgressive element...I believe that was the dress Betty was wearing after she lost weight and the Republican donor said he wanted to spend the night with her at the fundraiser- which turned Henry on. If I'm right then that is a very interesting statement on her part

dys

The Wire is replacing this slot after Mad Men ends, right? I only got through season 3 of Mad Men when it was on but I'm VERY excited about you guys starting The Wire.

Df

Hands down best show of all time can’t wait till next week

ebrima deen

Guys, guys.. I just want to thank you for reacting to Mad Men. It's been a journey! Mad men is my all time favorite. It's the 1 for me, truly.. Watching it again along with two has felt like I am seeing it for the first time, through your eyes.

Youtalkingtome
>>147408904

Hey we really appreciate you being here with us. Truly, you all have enriched this experience for us and pointed out so many details that we otherwise would have missed. It's been a pleasure