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The West Wing, Season 5, Episode 19 (Patreon)

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Michelle Taylor

I can’t find last week The Good Place.

Cosmic Slice

"This is a dark episode" .... buckle up guys.

Martin Nicholls

In re the last episode, I don't think it's filler - it's out of band, but not filler. The show has filler, but that isn't it. It also had an actual point. I like the little trick of this episode of people lining up to throw things Josh has said in his face, it's an interesting way to engineer an episode.

Daniel Lydford

Ball bouncing cold open was Season 2 - 17 People. Mary McCormack starred in 'In Plain Sight' for a few years - it was a good show - Joshua Malina was also a regular guest star. She was a US Marshall protecting people in witness relocation.

Joy M
>>152987046

I liked the montage cold open from Slow News Day where Toby decided to save Social Security.

Joy M

The Newsroom discusses some of the issues you brought up.

Allison Otto
>>152987046

I really liked In Plain Sight! Fun fact, Mary McCormack and Bradley Whitford did a Broadway play together after TWW ended (Boeing Boeing in like 2009; Christine Baranski was in it too). I met them both at the stage door and they both hung around chatting to fans for quite a while because Mary’s husband was coming to meet her and Brad was waiting with her.

MrRuss50

When I think of the cold opens I like the happy ones like the Galileo episode where CJ doesnt say Galileo 5 the way President Bartlet likes but Sam rewrites the nasa guys speech off the cuff and President Bartlet says "see he said it right". Season 1 Ep.4 had a really long walk and talk leaving a speech where the whole cast makes an appearance during the walk and the president razzes a couple "she deserves a nice room and some dinner" while walking the back way out of the building. It feels like one really long cut and I always really loved that one.

ScarlettMi

I disagree with the idea that Access was a filler episode, especially one that was done for budgetary reasons. They had new areas of the set we hadn't seen before, they had a bunch of guest actors instead of the core regulars. They had to change up their filming style as well. I think what it was, was a chance to highlight CJ/Allison Janney and to do something a little experimental. As far as plot goes, however, it's no different than any other regular weekly episode of The West Wing where there is a particular issue or crisis that takes centre stage and that ends up primarily resolved that episode, while still referencing the larger history of the show.

Laura Room

Ack! I disagree about The Walking Dead. I feel sorry for snoyone who didn't hang in until the end.

dys

The bit about the 17k programming jobs being union jobs doesn't seem right... I work in that field and pretty much none of those jobs in the US are unionized. That said the 17k is a drop in the bucket compared to the massive layoffs in that industry over the last 2 years. Venture capital investment into risky startups plummeted with the interest rate hikes and while jobs grew for the rest of the economy, the tech industry shed hundreds of thousands of jobs. I really like how they explore the nastier side of free trade/globalization here. Yes it's better for the economy as a whole, it creates more jobs than it costs, it lets countries specialize, it makes goods cheaper for everyone... but those people whose jobs are threatened become a bitter voting bloc, whole cities and regions decay because the industries that were their reason to exist are gone, and unscrupulous politicians can gain power by promising magical solutions to those problems they have no plans to actually implement. "Brussels is Pittsburgh with an accent"... lol, Pittsburgh is a cool city in its own right but why does Brussels catch so many strays? I feel like Brussels gets a bad rep for being the EU capital (kinda like DC which is also a cool city with a bad rep) and letting a handful of modern skyscrapers get built in the city center, but it's still an incredibly beautiful city with amazing food, cathedrals, parks, museums. I visited Brussels on the same trip where I went to Copenhagen, Amsterdam, and Paris, and Brussels was honestly the highlight of the whole trip.

Youtalkingtome
>>153011517

Pittsburgh catches a lot of strays too lol. Exploring the nastier side of things is really what made this episode for me. It was interesting to see them go this route

Youtalkingtome
>>152999567

Maybe they were just experimenting. Regardless it does stand out this season. Fascinating how divisive the episode really is.

Youtalkingtome
>>152987046

I'm gunna check out her IMDb cause it's still not ringing a bell. Oh well, she seems great and is obviously quite accomplished.

Pam Nail

Toby and the ball is my favorite cold open, too (and the opening of my favorite episode). This episode is very well done, but I kind of dread it every rewatch because it's such a downer. It is nice to be reminded of why we love Josh, though. For all his swagger and occasional goofiness, he joined this team for a reason and his heart (if not always his ego) is always in the right place.

Tezz Parker

actuary lurker must be a platinum member because they are mentioned every West Wing episode i watch with you all...lol

Taylor

Toby with the ball is definitely the best cold open, but I also have a soft spot for Bartlet’s Third State of the Union - Season 2, episode 13. It has the whole lead up to him walking through the Capitol, arriving at the door, and asking the Sergeant at Arms to tell the Speaker he’d like to see him. Then as he announces the President, the theme song rolls in. I get chills every time.

Dr Ozzy
>>152987884

Was literally going to comment on this video asking if you guys were still planning on doing that show haha

Youtalkingtome
>>153036865

Hard to top a Sorkin cold open. No one can say Josh is there for the wrong reasons. Is he cocky and sometimes an ass? Yes, but he is absolutely a good person and this episode is a great example of that.

Balazs Foldes

Actually, the Sorkin-era had pretty nice low-budget episodes. A lot of the "core staff, all night, in the white house" special episodes were made for budget purposes. Sorkin overran budgets often, so they introduced those one with basically just core cast, no extras, no outside scenes, relatively cheap. And boy, many of them were so good. The ball-bouncy 17 peoples had that same structure, for example.

Balazs Foldes

I really like the theme of this episode. I've learnt a lot of from this one. Such as... 1. I like the lesson about promises. I try to follow that as a guideline as a boss, as well as a client-serving service provider. I tell to limit promises to whatever I really am sure I'll be able to deliver, and just try hard with other stuff. I find that being honest, both with employees and with clients, usually pays off in the longer run. People, even clients appreciate being told in honesty about difficulties, challenges, what we can do and what will be tough. Then, if we get a win, people appreciate it for real. If we don't get a win, if we cannot do something... well, they knew in advance what will be the tough part, and were somewhat more prepared. The only problem is, sometimes, on the short run, it's easier selling things by giving nice promises. :( 2. I also like the President's basic message. Yes, business, economics are complicated and difficult. Whatever is your role - POTUS, chairman of big corporations, or just a manager in a job, you cannot chaneg realities. You can try and help, but overriding market forces really tend not to work out. (My country, Hungary seems to be a great example of this in recent years. Our government was a big fan of 'unorthodox policies', government interventions, popular programmes. Treating inflation by forcing shops to sell certain things at state-dictated prices, legally capping the price of petrol, limiting interests that banks may charge to customers, charging unplanned extra taxes on some bigger corporations. Results? Petrol running out at the stations, shops charging extra profit on other goods with uncapped prices to get the same total profit level, banks and big corporations re-charging extra taxes to consumers in the end, and inflation climbing much-much higher than it would have otherwise. Sometimes, you can just try to cushion whatever reality does, you cannot command the tide to roll out. You will just make things worse, otherwise.

shawn Johnson

My favorite cold open is Ainsley Hayes and Sam.