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Skinny_Obelix

When it comes to the collaborating women being stripped and shaved, it’s shocking to a lot of people. And even though I don’t agree with the lack of due process, I want to talk about what it meant to my grandma. My grandma, her father, and her four brothers fought in the Belgian resistance. She was 19 when the war started and had already lost her brother and his family when the British missed the German fortifications. The British carried out their bombing raids at night, trading precision for the cover of darkness and often hitting occupied civilian areas instead. My grandmother told me she stopped going to bomb shelters after her house became the only one left standing on her street. Despite all that, she still risked her life with her family, smuggling downed British airmen through France to neutral Spain, where they could make their way back to the UK. I asked her about Jewish families, and she said her father helped hide some, but that she was kept away from that particular risk. Sadly, the girl next door enjoyed the perks of partying with the Germans and eventually ratted out my great-grandfather and two of his sons. The Gestapo arrested and executed them. My grandma and her last remaining brother kept fighting for the resistance, knowing they couldn’t trust anyone. When liberation finally came, the collaborating men were shot, while the collaborating women were stripped, shaved, and probably subjected to worse. I’m not saying it was right, but after what they endured, I don’t think people today can easily judge. Four years of occupation, losing friends and family while others collaborated to skip curfews, party, and profit from betrayal, it’s honestly sickening. After watching quite a few reactions to this episode, I see more and more people trying to explain it away as women doing what they needed to survive. But I’ve heard too much to accept that sentiment. Other than that, I get frustrated with what I read online when people talk about so-called “anti-American sentiment” in Europe, or say things like, “You’d be speaking German if it wasn’t for us.” There’s a deep respect here for what the Americans and other Allied countries did for us, actually fighting for our freedom and protecting our liberties. We have streets, squares, and buildings named after those who fought for us. In schools, we adopt the graves of fallen soldiers buried here and maintain them, or lay flowers when they’re cared for by the U.S. military.

Actuarial Lurker

I watched a YT video this week with interviews of a bunch of WWII tank guys where Germans purposefully had beer with glass shards in it left out - NOT in Holland or Belgium like this episode- to injure unwary Americans who took the bait

Actuarial Lurker

The hair cutting is public shaming of women who had slept with Germans during the occupation of this newly liberated town- the resistance movement are the ones doing the cutting- so the show WAS accurate. I don't see how "volunteering" to be a "comfort woman" for armed men involves consent- its an act of desperation to turn violent SA into non-violent unwanted activity....but considering that male collaborators were routinely shot by European resistance movements a shaved head is better than a bullet

dys

Thanks for sharing, great perspective. So much respect to your family members. May I say, I loved visiting Belgium, and the people there were some of the kindest of anywhere I've been to in Europe, even happily putting up with my terrible American highschool-level French (which was certainly NOT the case in France...) I know that there has been that longstanding gratitude for American servicemen in WW2, but I do hear second-hand about the sentiment having shifted a bit now with Trump's trade war bullshit etc. Even when I was last in Europe near the beginning of Trump's first term it felt like there was a bit of guardedness towards Americans compared to how it was just 2 years before, and I haven't been back since his re-election but a few Americans I know who have felt more comfortable letting people assume they're Canadian. Not that I can blame anyone there, when our president is purposely antagonizing the countries that have been our closest friends and allies.

dys

I don't know why but the little Dutch kid never having tasted chocolate until Webster hands him his army ration chocolate bar has always seemed so dang sad to me. The farmer and his daughter were I assume sympathetic to the Allies, but it's still pretty natural that the reality of seeing Bull stab the German soldier to death would make her scared of him.

Clare Manion

Oh man, I’ve seen this before, but still gasped when Nix was hit… or rather, his helmet. Regarding Bull moving out of the culvert - the best rationale I can think of there is twofold: One, if it’s damp, it’s probably not a great idea to hang out in standing water for a long time. Two, and perhaps more importantly, he can’t adjust his position there - if someone approaches the culvert, he has nowhere to go. In a barn, it’s a bit easier to stay elusive… probably, maybe. My best guess anyway. And yes, the music for the title sequence is perfect. Almost like a hymn in many ways.

Actuarial Lurker

Agree...Hiding in a sheltered non-human habitation (a barn) seems preferable to a drainage ditch that is open to the elements and full of dirt and contamination- a culvert could have raw sewage runoff...

Actuarial Lurker

Looks like Eindhoven is currently a 250K city and WAS and still is the home base to Phillips electronics even during WWII so had already been bombed by the RAF in 1942... The 9/19/44 Luftwaffe counter-attack during Market Garden leveled the city which dates back to the 1230s...it was razed multiple times in the 1500s and again in the 1600s during the Thirty Years War

Jennifer H

Neal McDonough (Buck Compton) still works a lot. He has 145 roles listed on IMDb. Most recently I've seen him in two Taylor Sheridan shows - Yellowstone & Tulsa King.

Paul T Hewes

I was literally just at the eindhoven train station, and have driven through it on the way to Amsterdam, its a city for sure, modern buildings I imagine came after the war that leveled it.

Paul T Hewes

-both Mageneto and Professor Xavier are in this series... -For the record, Nixon's helmet didnt do anything. The angle of the bullet made it so it went in and out a few millimeters away from his head. in fact, you can see the mark as the bullet barely grazed his forehead. That really happened, according to Winters.

Dor

He had a great turn on Justified... which the guys should watch! :D

Paul T Hewes

Market Garden was a giant cluster f. It probably cost the allies months, and its failure left the Dutch under nazi rule longer. the dutch were starving and dying...

Aude M

Yes they were very common. Though women "sleeping with the enemy" was either wanted or unwanted: some did it without really thinking further than "he's cute", some did it for the job (prostitutes), some did it because they were forced to, some did it because they were really collaborating too (like Coco Chanel for example...)

Michelle Taylor

The driver of the truck that hit his car was drunk. Patton refused to have him charged because he was a soldier.

Youtalkingtome

For sure. It's a horrific act and I think that would rattle anyone. I love how those two scenes compliment one another