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Mad Men, Season 5, Episode 6 (Patreon)

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Far Away Places

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Mad Men, Season 5, Episode 6

Far Away Places

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Actuarial Lurker

Now you see why I made the vague comment last week that Season 5 is dark and and that the Megan "relationship" can't even be called that. He married her for not slapping Sally over a spilled milkshake at Disney as you noticed- and NOW thinks he can dominate his own "Maria Von Trapp" as he called her right before he proposed...Does Don think that the S&M games he played with Megan with the "Angry Sex" would him to just dump her 150 miles from home in upstate NY with no car and who know how much money? you can't do that to any woman, let alone a 25 year old in the 60s who is a free-spirit

Actuarial Lurker

In the intro you wonder how Pete got Trudy...it hasn't been addressed in the show BUT in the PILOT, Kinsey said you're just marrying her because she's rich. Her dad works for a living and we saw that Pete's mom is "Mayflower" rich and the DAD knew they were broke and hid it from the mother. I SUSPECT, but have no proof that the Pete met Trudy at some rich "hideaway" and HIS parents encouraged her as a good match. Recall that when Don wanted to fire Pete in "Season 1 episode New Amsterdam" for pitching the "Backbone of America" ad for Bethlehem steel Cooper vetoed it and said "I don't want Pete Cambell's mother telling her friends at "Fischer's Island:" how Sterling Cooper "mistreated" her son. Fischer's Island is wealthy suburb of Long Island about 30 miles East of where I currently live where the MEDIAN household income in 2020 was over $2 MILLION. This is where Billy Joel, Oprah, the Mercers who backed Donald Trump in 2016 and hedge fund people live. Back in the 1960s it was just as wealthy. In fact, there are public nature preserves and museum estates near me where the land was deeded inn the 1680s by various Dukes as patronage and the street names still bear these family names 340 years later and in the 1890s-1920 these people went out here to go fishing and hunting like in England. They later donated the and to NY State as parks and wildlife preserves- so this old money got WAY BACK to 100s of years before Mad Men takes place. Also recall that when Don meets Hilton serving him at the bar at Derby Day- Trudy says during the party that she had been at that country club where Roger was in blackface before. So Trudy is nouveau rich and although her DAD needs to work he joined and patronized country clubs where his daughter could land a rich husband....

Weird Magic

I agree with Joe completely - can see where it can be a favorite for a lot of people (IMDB ratings prove that), but isn't for me personally. It would also appear that Joan and her baby daddy are both going to be legally available soon (now)? FWIW - no breaks in the season 5 timeline - aired every week from 3/25/12 thru 6/10/12. Originally airing on April 22, 2012, 'Far Away Places' is Episode 6 of Season 5 of Mad Men. It is the 58th episode overall and has an IMDB rating of 9.1, placing it as the #3 ranked episode of this season and #4 out of all the episodes shown so far.

Actuarial Lurker

Lane is rejecting the British class system where your future depends on where you went to school and who your parents were...yes 1960s US and current 1% rich ARE still like that. But Lane has bought off on the Horatio Alger myth where he can rise up and not just be the "lackey" at PPL

Actuarial Lurker

Peggy couldn't pull that off with the Heinz beans client because she's a woman and this is 1966....

Actuarial Lurker

Now the Ginsburg back story mic drop- he was born in and survived a Nazi death camp. His mother died in the Holocaust and the old man who he lives with may be an adoptive father or his real father....

Actuarial Lurker

And Roger actually meets Timothy Leary since Jane's wife shrink is a colleague

Nikita Kisel
>>126136172

I think some of your comments are too spoilery. The story has a lot of development ahead but you are already talking about it as concluded

Actuarial Lurker

The Port Authority Bus Terminal area which is near Times Square and riddled with peep shows and porn theaters in the 70s before it was cleaned up in the 90s- was notorious for drug dealers, prostitutes, child trafficking of runaways grabbing a bus to NYC from out of state. So having Megan alone at 5 AM in that area where "all she got was offers" from people thinking she was a prostitute was off the scale- even for Don. Can you imagine Don having dumped Betty somewhere upstate where she had to go through a red light district pre-dawn?.....

Actuarial Lurker

Only Season 7 of Mad Men was split into two pieces with a major delay like Breaking Bad- the others were all continuously broadcast

Denisse Brito

I love this episode so much because of the writing and the way that the story is told. In this episode everything is intentional like Roger opening the bottle of alcohol and the music coming out of the bottle, Megan worrying about the presentation and Don saying that it was okay, when we know that is is not.

Denisse Brito

That dinner party is the kind of dinner party I like, (lol) dinner, philosophical conversations, and good wine. I've never used anything stronger than weed, but this episode made me wonder about LSD, but the fact that Charles Manson used it to manipulate people turned me off of it 🤣 I did do a paper about the medical uses of it like for treating PTSD, etc, it's a very interesting drug. LSD is also used for spiritual reasons which is the focus of the party. The epiphany that they both had about their marriage, also Roger having that identity crisis while under the effects. Roger is afraid of being/getting old, and is pretty sad.

Denisse Brito

That was a pretty interesting observation of Lane rejecting the UK because he wanted to be American. It's really funny because I did that too, and I think is because I never fit in my country and he doesn't seem like he does either. I’m starting to learn more of my country’s history (which is depressing, I’m Dominican) and learning more of our roots.

Denisse Brito

To me, the intro to Mad Men, the Doctor Who intro, Sex and the City intro and Cowboy Bebop are the most iconic, and they are all my ringtones/alarms lol Also, loved the comparison of Pete and Jared 🤣

Youtalkingtome
>>126143402

Gotcha, that's a really good read on it. I almost feel like I need to rewatch season 1 so I can remember little details like that.

Youtalkingtome
>>126194038

Yeah, I get the filmmaking and the story telling. The way it was told made me feel a certain way. I'm sure it's absolutely intentional and I do think this episode is fantastic, I just don't think I'm going to revisit it very often.

Denisse Brito
>>126178944

Also as a woman alone in the dark, pre-serial killers, I imagine it would have been extremely scary. It would terrify me right now.

Youtalkingtome
>>126194678

I think that hallucinogenics are terrifying and maybe okay if they are done responsibly like in this episode. I just think that would be a weird group of people to trip with lmao.

Youtalkingtome
>>126194826

He really doesn't fit in. He's kind of figuring out where he belongs and who he is. At least that's the read I got on him.

Denisse Brito
>>126136172

Honestly I love Megan because she’s the closest to a modern woman we get in this show. I would have done the same thing, minus the running from him. Face him head on.

Denisse Brito
>>126194038

This episode stresses me out too, specially the part of Peggy messing up the meeting. I actually lowered the volume this time too. This episode also was heavy, with very little jokes and the jokes were when Roger was on LSD, so you have to rewatch in order to see them and not to be confused with what’s happening.

Denisse Brito
>>126194678

Yes! 🤣 Hallucinogenics are scary specially because you never know how you’re going to react. Also, some studies have shown that the continuous use of them could mess up your brain.

tom

New patron here! There's a lot of parallels between Don and Peggy in this episode, and as you mentioned Pete tries to be Don in the previous episode, but I'm pretty sure Peggy taking her nap here and Dawn waking her up, telling her the time and saying someone's on the phone is word-for-word, shot-for-shot the same as the pilot episode. I either realized this for the first time on this rewatch or I'd vaguely been aware of it but forgot. To use Roger's words, I knew that but I didn't know it. I also just love Peggy's outburst "No one else is gonna figure out how to say that about beans". I look forward to her line delivery on every rewatch, and it's perfect how she tries to be Don and it falls flat even though Don *does* (or did) do this stuff all the time. (and since I only just joined, in one of the recent episodes we also got that Peggy and Roger back-and-forth about Mohawk which is just such a great demonstration of her character growth) Season 5 is an interesting one, it feels like the most exciting and colorful one to me. Megan appearing creates a much different dynamic compared to Betty, and there's just so many changes with many of the characters (Especially the women, Betty and Joan both have upheavals of sorta that leave them having to grapple with new struggles). I think seasons 4-5-6 cycle as my favorite, but these days I'm partial to season 6 so I can't wait for that. But man this season has some great episodes, and more to come.

Actuarial Lurker
>>126143402

I've watched the whole series something like 6 times not counting rewatching it along with both of you- and as a true geek actuary I have a pretty eidetic memory so remember inconsequential minutia like the lines from a TV show....now if I could only remember where I parked my car outside the mall and not wander around for 10 minutes trying to drive home!

Actuarial Lurker
>>126194678

Look at Ozzy Osbourne or Syd Barrett a co-founder of Pink Floyd. Ozzy supposedly tripped EVERY DAY for there consecutive YEARS and that is why he went from a coherent sounding singer on the original recording of War Pigs to what people saw on reality TV a few years where he couldn't string together a few sentences. Same with Syd Barrett who already had a propensity for schizophrenia and whose use of these drugs made him into the guy with "eyes like black holes in the sky" from Floyd's tribute song "Shine on You Crazy Diamond"....

Actuarial Lurker
>>126194826

Britain basically has a caste system- if you go to Eton and then Oxford, even if you are a disheveled Steve Bannon-like guy such as Boris Johnson, you can become Prime Minister. Lane even says in Season 3 that he loves America because the first thing people ask him at dinner or at parties ISN'T "where did you go to school" like they did in England...

Actuarial Lurker
>>126194997

I love the intro to classic Doctor Who...it reminds me of the longer jam portions of Pink Floyd's song "Echoes"

Actuarial Lurker
>>126232806

First, welcome. Second I think the "seed" was in Season 3 Episode 13 after JFK. When Don goes back to Peggy to actually convince her to jump ship he says "people don't realize that the way we see the world has just changed- but YOU DO". I think at that moment Don opened Peggy's eyes that she really IS in touch with the culture and how it changed and not the sheltered Doe-eyed catholic school girl that we saw in Season 2 being domineered by her mom, and lacking self-confidence. Another seed is Season 2 when Bobbie Barrett tells Peggy when she is recovering from her concussion at Peggy's apartment after Don's DUI crash that "she will never be a man, so use your power as a woman". With the Heinz beans client she DID see the right strategy like Don said- BUT she forgot to read the room and that she would not be taken seriously as a woman in that day and age. If she had put Don's observation together with Bobbie's advice she might have put a different spin on the pitch and not been thrown off the account....I think Ginsburg is the perfect foil for the situation- he goes off with the Butler shoes people with the "stalker like" fantasy ad and Don DOES seriously think of firing him but DOES NOT. Ginsburg as a man is given the latitude to do what he did but the Heinz client thinks Peggy is just some "girl" like his own rebellious teen daughter the Rolling Stones fan filling in for Don...Peggy knew that the client was flaky and thought Mick jagger would do a beans commercial and should have sat down with Don and tried to pick his brain about how to pitch the idea...but she winged it and failed.

Youtalkingtome
>>126232806

I'm pretty partial to season 4 myself. It was just so new, it was a literal breath of fresh air in the beginning. The plotting and Don and Megan at the end was phenomenal. I do wish we got more screen time with Peggy. She's still very important to the plot and is absolutely a main character but am I the only one who feels like she is getting less screen time?

Actuarial Lurker
>>126232806

"There is time and purpose to all things under heaven"- to quote the Byrds quoting Ecclesiastes. The writers are brilliant and Peggy HAS been less prominent so far in Season 5....to what end?

Hawaiian Shirt Funeral

I love this episode. It's not fun, but it feels like a needed splash of cold water in the face for a bunch of characters. The LSD sequence is great. I’ve done LSD. For me, it is impossible to lie to myself about myself on LSD. It feels like it had that effect on Roger and Jane. I think the uncomfortable truth for them is that they were using each other. Jane wanted Roger’s wealth and status. Roger wanted a beautiful young wife to try and stave off his insecurities. I don’t believe they were ever really in love, they loved what the other person represented. Don and Megan rushed into something because the fantasy was great, now reality is setting in. Don treats Megan like an accessory, not a partner.

heheheheheh
>>126136172

I concur with Nikita, I feel your comments are very interesting to read but you still have the benefit of having seen the show, so you might prod a person to think of outcomes they otherwise might not come up with themselves. So just take care. Meaning this in a very friendly and respectful manner.

Actuarial Lurker
>>126136172

Will do...the reason you see me post 6 or 7 times is that I watch along with their pre-show, during show, and post-show portions of the reactions and my comments tend to be linear tracking along with the episode as it progresses. When they make a serious comment I post on it- typically based on PRIOR season breadcrumbs that they may have forgotten...or on NYC in general since I grew up there- like my post about the neighborhoods and where people lived or about how dangerous Port Authority was for a woman alone in the 60s. Before I write anything I make sure NOT to have any spoilers- When I said Season 5 is dark that could be questionable so will be more careful about that....but they already know that it is dark since we have dealt with serial killers, Ginsburg being born in a Nazi camp, Greg leaving Joan as a single mother, Lane and Pete beating each other up- which is pretty dark compared with seasons 1-4. For example my comment further below about meeting Timothy Leary- one of the party guest calls the other Dr. Leary....and they have missed that. Jane also said that one of the other guests was her therapist. So I just connected the dots and said that Jane was invited to the party by her therapist and that Roger has actually just met with Timothy Leary...but I definitely don't want to spoil anything so hence I read everything three or four times before hitting save!

heheheheheh

I've done LSD several times in my life and when I first saw this episode it was instantly memorable, because how weirdly accurately it depicted the trip. It didn't go down the cheap and easy route of projecting some trippy visuals, instead it creates the "feeling" of strangeness and unease. Time just moves differently and things you thought were normal suddenly aren't. I've had life-changing epiphanies while tripping and clearly Roger did too. There was a brief moment in the 60s where everyone was doing it, but yeah the drug control got onto it pretty quickly. Shame really, it can be a wonderful source of self-discovery if done correctly. One of the standout episodes.

Actuarial Lurker
>>126136172

Changing the subject slightly, thank you for saying my posts are interesting. I was born in 1966 and my parents lived in Queens and I went to a "magnet school" in Manhattan from 7th-12th grade (i'm pretty good at math and science) so from 1978-1984 I rode the subways by myself to school AM and PM like a regular work commuter. We had our high school gym class- softball and soccer, in Central Park up on the 103rd street baseball fields and it was so dangerous that people would try to steal our bats and gloves in broad daylight. My father and I would go to watch movies near Times Square- like Bruce Lee movies and Charles Bronson, Towering Inferno etc in 1973-1975 era before it was cleaned up and they put Disney stores, AMC, and tourist traps there so I got to see the "Real NY" of that time as a kid. This was all about 10 years AFTER Mad Med takes place- so my experience was not very different than the show. Another example is the very weird reactions between Pete. Don, and Peggy and the African American elevator guy and the cleaning staff who saw Peggy and Pete have sex in the office (all happening in Seasons 1-3). In the first season of the pilot we see the bartender ask Don if the "chatty" waiter" is bothering him- when it's Don asking him the questions. My (late) father grew up in NYC in the 40s' 50s and 60s and he said that there basically were NO black or latino people south of 125th street other than waiters, door men, cleaning people etc- so contrary to a lot of liberal propaganda (I'm a Democrat) NY was JUST as racist as the deep South, just not as overt....NYC went bankrupt in 1973/1974 and the place was a real hell hole for a while before it recovered in the 90s- so the whole Mad Men facade with the nice office buildings and well-dressed upper class employees is ALSO part of the myth....if you went in Central Park after 3pm you'd get mugged. If you were on the subway after the rush hour when everyone went home form work you'd get mugged. The Upper West side was covered with trash since the city barely had any money for police or garbage services etc.

tom

I was reading old discussions about this episode and saw that Don chasing Megan around the room parallels the movie Peggy was watching. Predator hunting prey, down to her clothes in that scene. I can't remember enough specifics to confirm if there's anything to that, but I do know Don chasing her around their apartment was such a sickening scene to me when I first watched this episode.

Youtalkingtome
>>126624442

I agree, much more realistic portrayal. It was unique too! Haven't seen it portrayed like this in a movie or show. Easy Rider has an interesting trip scene as well.

Youtalkingtome
>>126632481

That's a good catch! You're right he is the predator in this situation and it was a great visualization of that.