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Mad Men, Season 5, Episode 7 (Patreon)

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At the Codfish Ball

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Mad Men, Season 5, Episode 7

At the Codfish Ball

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Actuarial Lurker

Now we get to see Megan's parent's dysfunctional marriage and TRUE LEFT in her professor father from the late 60s- like Noam Chomsky...not current "liberal Democrats"= of which I am one....my wife being the true "leftist"

Actuarial Lurker

Fraunces Tavern where Peggy is invited for the special dinner is a real restauarant that has been in NYC since the 1700s- served as George Washington's military headquarters before the British occupied NYC during the Revolution and owned by the Sons of Liberty when NYC was the US capitol before DC was built. An invite to a place like that- which is both a Museum and a real business dinner place near Wall St in current times- would have signaled a BIG announcement to most people

Actuarial Lurker

We get to see how gracious Peggy is- she is proud another woman had success....throw back to Peggy trying to network with Faye after "The Letter" Don wrote "firing" tobacco made her PR firm have to resign

Actuarial Lurker

BRUTAL reaction from Peggy's mom- "three cats and then you're done"

Actuarial Lurker

Megan's mother is played by BRITISH actress Julia Ormond, she was in the Brad Pitt and Anthony Hopkin's western "Legends of the Fall" and in "The Curious Case of Benjamin Button" also with Brad Pitt.

Actuarial Lurker

Now consider the Signal 30 comments I made- Ken doesn't want to be an account man but a writer and writes fantasies with a robot killing his bosses, Pete doesn't want to be "Don" in the suburbs, Lane doesn't just want to be a CFO but an account man, and now we see Megan is also frustrated doing something unsatisfying. Yes the parents ARE pushing them to be what they themselves wanted to be- Betty wants Sally to be a "wife", Megan's dad wants her to be successful in the arts since he is a failed intellectual who can't get published, Pete's father said in Season 1 "we gave you your last name and you go drinking and whoring rather than being a lawyer or banker. Peggy's mom wants her to be married and a traditional; Catholic. she rejected the Catholic part in Season 2 with the young priest, in the Suitcase her mom was pushing that geek on her as a potential husband...and now sees her living in sin and worse yet with someone Jewish...so her grandkids might not be Catholic

tom

I won't be able to watch until tomorrow, but I remember this being one of my more rewatched epsiodes.

Youtalkingtome
>>126686899

It's really a dark reality when you look at it. No one is happy, no matter how rich or influential they are.

Actuarial Lurker

Season Five IS the best one in TV history with Breaking Bad Season 4 or 5 being close behind

Ben Clifford

Whoever plays Peggy's mom has the best delivery of some very shocking lines. This episode it's "he will use you for practice!" delivered with such venom, and last season it was "you'll get raped", similarly venomous and matter of fact.

tom
>>126684958

This is something I remember too. I keep expecting Peggy to fall victim to petty jealousy the way so many people do in this show, but she seems like the type of person where if she feels like someone deserves something, she will be genuinely happy for them. Whether it's a success in proximity to her desires, like Megan, Ginsberg or Faye, or something she isn't even looking for like with Joan's marriage in S3, she is the type of person able to appreciate when things are going well for others.

Weird Magic

The best season of Mad Men, IMO, is the one I'm currently watching - whichever one that is at the time :) Originally airing on April 29, 2012, 'At the Codfish Ball' is Episode 7 of Season 5 of Mad Men. It is the 59th episode overall and has an IMDB rating of 8.7, placing it as the #5 ranked episode of this season and #14 out of all the episodes shown so far.

Robert Bauman

A noticeable trend in the show is how flawed and/or awful many of the character's parents are: Don, Pete, Peggy, Betty, Megan to an extent. A lot of these characters are unhappy regardless of their success, etc. That unhappiness is probably connected in some way to how their parents have viewed/treated them.

Chris
>>126696947

I think season 4 of The Wire is up there too. And the first three seasons of The Sopranos.

Chris
>>126698662

She’s great. The only other role I recognize her from is Hector Salamanca’s nurse in Breaking Bad but she’s probably been in dozens of shows.

Youtalkingtome
>>126730368

I think so. It's a vicious cycle. We see it in how they treat their kids too. Not saying it's the same but it's definitely complicated.

Actuarial Lurker
>>126698662

Peggy's mom IS in BB, she is the one who uses the bell and the card with the alphabet to let Hector spell out sentences- like F--- You. She even scolds Hector when he purposefully poops on the floor when interacting with Hank

heheheheheh

It makes me so happy to see you guys praise the show.

tom

It's been said that this episode focuses on disillusionment. The characters all have a moment where their expectations are shattered and a moment of what should be success is disappointing. The episode ends with the main four characters especially trying to come to terms with that mismatch: Peggy's relationship milestone, Sally trying out adulthood, Megan's career breakthrough & Don reaping the rewards of his letter. And as you said it's beautifully encapsulated in that tableau of the table at the end of the night.

tom

The episode has a great thematic arc but I think the reason I've watched it so much is because of the Heinz Beans pitch. It honestly may be in my top three ad pitches of the whole show and it's so satisfying the way it falls into place. To brutally undercut such satisfaction with a feeling of disappointment is so quintessentially Mad Men and I love it. It creates such a cognitive dissonance in the audience (in me at least) too, the fact that I've rewatched the episode just for that dinner scene yet the whole point is to make that catharsis fall utterly flat just shows how many complex and contradictory layers there are to the show.

John Vaclev

You were talking over it, but when Roger spouts his line about how people are looking at you but not really paying attention, Don quips "Plenty of people who haven't taken LSD already know that". I thought it was relevant to point out given your comment at the end about Roger being in a "falsely elevated place", which that line of dialogue drives home nicely

Robert Bauman
>>126801204

The pitch is great because it's a vintage Don Draper pitch one episode after Cooper called him out for being disengaged from work. Also a great display of Megan's aptitude, despite her mixed feelings about the job.

Robert Bauman
>>126730368

100%. Having Don and Betty and their imperfections as parents is something noteworthy to keep in mind as Sally gets older

tom
>>126856782

Yep, Don saying that is one of my favorite lines and I was looking forward to it haha. It's a great encapsulation of how mundane Roger's enlightenment is, which itself is a great encapsulation of Roger's character and self-image in general

Youtalkingtome
>>126800796

I'm gunna say this is the best episode of the season so far. It felt very tight and well constructed and how all the characters end up at the same place in the end was brilliant.

Youtalkingtome
>>126801204

That really does sum up the show! They've got it refined now while still throwing a curve ball here and there. We can't enjoy anything, because nothing matters LOL

Youtalkingtome
>>126856782

Dang, that is a good line. We pretty much knew Roger was full of it. His false enlightenment isn't the first time he has been acting like this. Whether it's him writing a novel or getting remarried. He just can't seem to find a place for himself and it really makes him a tragic character. Seems like he's truly himself when he's out wining and dining clients.

Spring

Yay I’m finally caught up! I love how they used a Shirley Temple to represent Sally’s childhood and how easily one event can rip it away. “Excuse me Miss, are you finished with that?” “Yes.”