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Here's the draft conclusion for the final S8 video:

"Author George Martin always said that the end of Thrones would be bittersweet – and it’s true. It was sweet in the tv show to see Brienne knighted, Theon redeemed, Sansa as queen, Arya sailing west. Over eight seasons, we got Lannister political drama, Daenerys' conquests, Jon's journey, adapted from the books with exceptional production, acting and music. The tv show made some nerdy fantasy books into the biggest show on tv, which is nothing short of miraculous. But it’s bitter that the show ended before the book series was finished. So for the last few seasons, the showrunners didn’t have material to adapt. They had to make up their own plots, and find ways to connect them to the book ending the author described to them. So sometimes there were dumb plotlines like the wight hunt plan. Sometimes the dialogue was weak because there was no book dialogue to use. Sometimes characters made sudden turns that didn’t feel earned [Daenerys], because the arcs were squeezed into shortened seasons. Sometimes the politics didn’t have the same brutal realism as the early story [Bran council]. Some plotlines didn’t pay off in the end, like Bran’s warging powers and Arya’s Faceless magic and Jon’s claim to the Iron Throne. Intriguing characters like Littlefinger and Varys, trailed off into irrelevance cause they didn’t have their book plots. It’s bitter that we didn’t get the ending of Martin’s books. We didn't learn more about the white walkers or the Azor Ahai prophecy. We didn't get the book Dorne plot, with Arianne and Quentyn, and Alleras and Jaqen in Oldtown. Or the horror of book-Euron and Victarion. We never saw Sansa with Harry and Mya. Daenerys’ dance with Young Griff, and JonCon. Barristan’s plot in Meereen, Marwyn the Mage, Moqorro and Quaithe. Varys and Illyrio’s Blackfyre conspiracy, the northern conspiracy, Rickon on Skagos, Stannis’ Battle of Ice,  the Hooded Man, Lady Stoneheart, Patchface, Strong Belwas, and Nimble Dick Crabb. The mysteries of the Nightfort, and the Horn of Winter, ice spiders and a long Long Night, and everything else that’ll happen in the next two books. Martin recently hinted that the next book will be out in a year.  It’ll be sweet to read his ending. And it’s sweet that the tv show happened. But it’s bitter that the show is not what it could’ve been."

What do you think? Is this a fair assessment? Are there other crucial show-fails or missing-book-bits to mention?

The script is about 32 minutes long at the moment – it needs to be edited and improved and polished. Taking the time to get this last one right – it'll be out within a week.

Thanks for your support!

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Walker

That looks like a beautiful way to put it. Great work as always!

Rikke Holmberg

I love it. Beautiful list of all the wonderful stuff from the books that they left out.

Matthew Tufariello

Yeah this sounds about right to me. The internet harps on aspects of this final season that aren't the reasons as to why it ultimately failed. For example people say "oh what was the point of aryas training she did her faceless thing once" like I could let that pass. Point is she's also a good fighter now. Or "why was Jon resurrected" I can talk about this for awhile but really I think it was the ONLY way to get Jon to leave the nights watch. I'm okay with these narrative end points of the show just not how we arrived there. Don't get me started on Bran and the Night King which it's apparent that story could not he adapted properly. Brans was particularly boring. Anyway good summary!

Bran the Builder

Love it. Especially the litany of all the things that the show left out!

LMargetti

I love it, I can completely agree to that

Kenny Arnold

At the very end, show a pic of D&D with the frame panning away and Emperor Palpatine’s laugh in the background before fading to black

Adam Rezkalla

You guys are amazing can’t wait for the next video (Great little bittersweet analysis)

Schiffty5

It seems a bit too opinionated. As much as I agree, maybe seperate the finale as an episode dissection and then another one of your feelings and opinion (even tho i know a lot of your episode reviews are "could this be arya setting up xyz?") Just my 2 cents. You can put it out as is Im sure and I will love and support as will others.

Nick

I think it's an excellent conclusion. Pretty much sums everything up perfectly. And I know you want it to be as trim as possible, but don't worry too much about that. No one will object to a 30 minute Alt Shift X video for the conclusion of the series. The finale of this story deserves an epic analysis video. Plenty of GoT YouTubers have put out much longer videos, so I think you'll be fine. A 30 minute piece would be a real treat.

M0N0WREN

I would like to push back on the assertion that "the showrunners didn’t have material to adapt." It's correct that GRRM didn't finish the books in time for the show to adapt them all. But it's NOT correct that the showrunners ran out of material. They deliberately went off-book starting at the end of ASOS. They chose not to include Stoneheart, Young Griff, and sooo much more. I think it's unfair that GRRM has been blamed for the show "running out of material." If they had stayed more faithful to the later books, they would have had a lot more to work with as far as finishing the show in a satisfying way. I do understand their reasons for wanting to cut certain characters and plots out, but the show creators should bear the full blame for the poor outcome--not GRRM, who provided plenty of wonderful material which the show CHOSE to exclude.

OI Beefy

You're a good guy, ASX. I think this is the fairest and nicest way you could have re-capped the ending. Can't wait to see more ASOIAF videos from you. Keep up the great work.

David Farquharson

Yes. Articulated beautifully. However, I still can't help but feel let down at the show's sheer wasted opportunity.

Tom Painter

Well said, covers pretty much every base and remains both a fair criticism and deserved praise. I do grimace a little at the 'ran out of book to adapt' defense because its just not true. They chose to avoid adapting most of Feast For Crows and Dance With Dragons. They opted for a cliff notes version of sections they deemed not surpluss to requirement and melded it with their own narrative. If they had persisted in adapting the novels at the rate they were then I suspect season 7 or 8 would have brought them in line with the end of that semi-duology of novels. Instead they crammed all of that into a season and a half.

Kangaroo Bob

Well said Alt. It must have been heartbreaking to continue pumping out great analysis of each episode while carrying such disappointment inside. From everyone who has followed you - Thankyou. Your videos were the only enjoyable thing about these last 4 seasons. Oh and the memes! It was obvious the show would never be as good once they overtook Martins books but it could have been a lot better. Can you answer one final mystery for us. Why didn’t they hire professional tv writers to finish the story for them?

Henry

Elegant and accurate. I love it. The only issue that jumps out at me is referring to Arya sailing west in the same "sweet" breath that you mention Brienne being knighted, Theon redeeming himself, and Sansa being crowned queen. I agree with you that those last three are purely sweet, but I my reaction to Arya sailing west was bittersweet. Sweet because it's she is staying true to her adventurer spirit and curiosity, but bitter because while she has the stark direwolf on her sail, she most likely will never see her family again. I keep thinking about Arya pulling needle out of it's hiding place and declaring that she is "Arya Stark of Winterfell". But what that really culminated in was her returning home, trying to kill her sister, fighting for the living, and then fuckin splitting again, never to see her family again. I understand her lone wolf nature, but again and again we are told, and she is told "The Lone Wolf dies but the pack survives". Sorry for the long response, but it was just my reaction/

Henry Mason

I think it's wishful thinking that the books aren't going to be at least as rushed, if not more so. The last 2 books are going to need to tie up about three times as many plot lines as the last 3 seasons. I don't see that happening. Even GRRM is going to have to either give up on the books or give up on some of these story points. For example, I suspect the reason the White Walkers never really came to anything in the show is that they aren't going to come to anything in the books either. If anything, I think the biggest failing of the show was trying to stick too closely to the books. Some of the best stuff came from the show runners willing to cut their own path. I strongly suspect the show's ending will end up being pretty much what happens in the books, except that ending really didn't particularly make sense for the show.

Alt Shift X

Yeah true this paragraph is probably the most opinionated that Alt Shift X has ever been. The rest of the video isn't like this, though.

Anastakis Tess

Beautifully put! I’d probably put more emphasis on the plot lines that just fizzled out or hit a dead end (Jon as heir to IT), but then again it’s not an opinion piece. Up to you :)

Alt Shift X

Yeah I might take out the mention of Arya's Faceless magic, because you're right, that's a relatively minor aspect of Arya's story

Alt Shift X

If ever there's a time for a half-hour ASX video, it's at the end of Game of Thrones 🙂

Nick K

Even though you said it a number of times that you won't say what's good and bad and it's not what ASX is about, I'd love to finally hear your TRUE opinion about it. Uncensored, Rated R, true and honest opinion about the last season.

Henry

And while I'm on this soapbox, my biggest gripe with the season is how black and white our interpretations of the characters became. Once a show with incredibly nuanced character behavior that straddled the line between traditional good and evil and made us care for people we wouldn't expect to and vice versa, the show was reduced down to B movie-esque black and white morality. When Dany burns Kings Landing, there is no question it's evil and now she is an evil character. All of Jon's flaws have been stripped away. He is a wholly good man. We as an audience are left with no room to wonder and struggle with our feelings ourselves. Suddenly it's just sport. Red shirt good, blue shirt bad. Which is boring, and not what the show used to be. /end soapbox

Duncan

I know George isn't a fan of hearing this, but he's taking a decade per book now. He's not young. Neither is he fit. And he doesn't have to have a massive coronary, he could just get hit by a bus.And that would be the greatest tragedy of all; if the rushed, mediocre TV series ending _was_ the ending 😨.

Daniel Johnson

I think this it too generous. I'm not the kind of person who thinks that the showrunners didn't care or were acting in bad faith. That's obviously not the case. But somehow they really lost sight of what kind of story this is, namely the verisimilitude necessary to make Martin's magical realism work. Things like Tyrion referring to banners and realms as flags and countries... that's the script writing equivalent of leaving a starbucks copy on screen. Davos tells us repeatedly that he's not a soldier and can't fight... yet we see him leading the charge into kings landing brandishing a sword. The unsullied and dothraki were dramatically shown to have been essentially wiped out in the battle of the Long Night.... then they're shown a few days later standing before Dany at their original size when coming to Westeros. It's as if the showrunners just stopped caring about any type of internal consistency. But these are the kinds of errors that just take me out of a story and break the filmic spell. What's worse, and to me the saddest thing about the ending, was the way they just couldn't figure out what to do with the pieces on the board that Martin's story had set up (I think the blame has to go with Martin here... so far, he doesn't seem to know how to resolve it either. The notion that he can wrap this up in two more books, if at all, seems like high fantasy in itself). Cersei as a major player just chose inaction. The Nights King was dispensed with halfway through the season, as if resolving the mystery and danger he represented were an afterthought to the end game. A strange choice considering the threat of the white walkers is how were all introduced to this story in both show and book. Bran's handling was the worst of all. They simply just punted on trying to explain his powers, let alone reconcile them with the choices he made and what that would mean for the story if it ends with his ascension. I could go on. I just feel this was a major dereliction of duty from some very, very talented and well meaning people. It's hard to be mad. I'm just really disappointed.

Alt Shift X

Yeah GRRM did say he'd like the show to continue for a dozen seasons.. But damn, imagine how difficult of a situation D&D would be in if they included Stoneheart and Griff etc and ran for ten seasons, but still didn't get the final books in time to wrap up the story – that might have been even more disastrous for the story. Not to mention that many book readers were bored by Brienne in the riverlands and the Harzoo plotline etc. But I don't disagree with you. With this conclusion, I'm not trying to pin blame on GRRM or D&D or anyone. Just saying that the disconnect between books and show caused big problems for the series.

Jonathan Melenson

Everything you say is accurate. One comment to consider: while all of us book-readers will be quite familiar with the litany of discarded plots, TV show-only viewers (who I suspect outnumber book-reader subscribers) may feel a bit lost. It may be prudent to summarize/paraphrase that list. As always, keep up the excellent work :)

Alt Shift X

I wonder if D&D's commitment to secrecy made them less open to input from other writers on the final season

Alt Shift X

Yeah I wish Daenerys had some hint of a justification for her burning King's Landing. (E.g. city didn't surrender, or civilians were actually in her way, or wildfire being accidentally set off). Because yeah the way it played out, Daenerys was just dragon-Hitler, and there was little moral ambiguity to Jon killing her.

Alt Shift X

It's baffling to me that some of the best bits in the early seasons were written for the show, not adapted from the books – e.g. Cersei and Robert's conversation about their relationship. But so many of the worst bits in the later seasons were the non-book bits – e.g. Euron, Tyrion

Nicks244

Bitter because we know what the series could have been possibly been perfectly sums up my thoughts. I don't hate the ending, I'm not sure if I even dislike it, but I'm disappointed. And disappointment leads to bitterness.

J Singh

He's only 70. People live for a lot longer these days and there's nothing to indicate he has any severe health issues, any more than any other old person. He's rich and lives comfortably in a first world country. He can easily live til 90. And how many people do you know that get hit by busses on a regular basis? Random tragedies are only tragic because they happen rarely. Most people die normally - in a hospital bed after a period of life-threatening illness. And I'm sick of people who claim to be fans of this guy's work judging his health and lifestyle just because they're worried they'll never get to finish their magical dragon story. It's funny how GRRM has a life outside of ASOIAF but a lot of his fans clearly don't.

Alt Shift X

Keep an eye on the Alt Schwift X channel, there may be a Game of Thrones Rant video at some point

Nicks244

she still did use her badass combat skills she learned from the faceless men during the Battle of Winterfell. I think if she did use someone else's face people would be complaining that she's OP.

Alt Shift X

We'll show some fan-art of the book-only characters – hopefully that'll spark the imagination of the show-watchers 🙂

Nicks244

I disagree that including some of those characters would have made the show better. We can see from GRRM that he's even having trouble wrapping up all those storylines in a near way. It would have been even harder for D&D to do that in a TV show. We're already complaining about various plot lines that had little to no payoffs

Nick K

I will lol. I heard you mentioning it many times but I was too lazy go check it out.

Duncan

"Neither is he fit". Your predictions are optimistic. That's fine, we're all optimistic about this. But the possibility exists that you, me, all of us won't get any other ending. And that would be a tragedy. And that's the point of my comment; please don't try and obscure it / side track it with the predictable flame war that I tried to head off with my original caveat.

Tim Garay

I think another reason it’s bittersweet is because so many amazingly talented individuals (as shown in the Last of the Thrones documentary) weren’t utilized to their highest potential, solely because of lackluster storytelling. People won’t remember the amazing, amazing work that went into set design, music, special effects, coordinating extras - they’ll mostly remember a story that didn’t live up to what had been building for 5-6 seasons. That to me is the most bittersweet part of all of this.

Kangaroo Bob

That is a generous theory. I think Vanity was a more likely cause. D&D had the throne and they didn't want to give it up. In a way they were a bigger villain than Cersei

Henry

Absolutely. And even going into episode 6, I was hoping we were going to get a better explanation from her, or even sympathy from her for the people she killed. But she went full psycho mode. Combine that with her saying she's going to keep "liberating" people all over the world, and where's the conflict?

Angeleah Smith

This is the first spin on the bitter part I’ve seen actually because we were like everyone got a happy ending. You right though the bitter was the pill for us to swallow, not the characters

Henry

Sidenote: I'm sorry if anyone's made this connection before but did anyone else find it interesting that she uses the word "liberate"? Remember back in the finale of season 3 right before the Mhysa scene, she is waiting outside of Yunkai for the slaves she freed to come out. As they wait and wait she says "maybe they didn't want to be conquered" to which Jorah responds "you didn't conquer them, you liberated them".

Jenny Zina Tavares

I won't write much except to say I love it. As always, you did well. Cheers.

Adam Drumonde

This is a very fair assessment and much and more than I could have expected from an Alt Shift X explaination. Keep it up. You’re great at what you do.

Adam Drumonde

One comment I feel I need to make is commentary on the showrunners’ performance. Is that there were signs and red flags before they ran out of material that they were clumsy with plotlines. I suspect that they were told that Selmy would die in Meereen and Tyrion would eventually meet Dany, befriend her, and become her hand, and what D&D took from this is “oh, well then we don’t need to waste time on this Barristan story we’re telling and we can get right to the meat of the story” without considering the nuances of how that would realistically come to be and the ripple effect it could have; clearly also the whiplash that it would cause viewers and foreshadow the type of whiplash viewers would become accustomed to in the future.

Adam Drumonde

Maybe this makes me an asshole but I think at some point they did stop caring — at least stopped caring as much as they used to. I also suspect their accepting of a Star Wars project and that presenting them with an option of ending the show earlier than would be appropriate or not doing Star Wars at all, would have impacted their feelings and dedication to the project.

Pavlos-Spyros Karras

Hello, I think this is a very fair assessment that comes from applying fair criticism and not hatred to what the show was and finally became. The only thing I feel you didn't mention was that a very important thing that was adapted from the books was the pacing, something that was lost in the last seasons, meaning that characters didn't develop over time but changed their emotions/character from scene to scene and that they developed teleportation powers instead of making the journey a part of the story. As Greek poet Constantine P. Cavafy said in his famous poem Ithaca : When you set out on your journey to Ithaca, pray that the road is long, full of adventure, full of knowledge.

Brandon Neil Howells

Bittersweet? Nah, I would've said "Baffling". I spent on my rage on Ayra killing the Night King. You're kinder to Season 8 than I am. Being objective is your job, but I can sure sense your disappointment

Ben Peach

It seems fair to argue that the dialogue suffered because of a lack of book material, but there were plenty of scenes in the show with great dialogue that weren't in the books, eg. Arya and Tywin and Littlefinger and Varys. Though I understand why you wouldn't want to make the video just about bashing on the screenwriters.

G

Agree with everything! Except for Jon's parentage, I think that one did pay off to a degree. It didn't land too well on screen, but I think the reveal that his secret lineage doesn't matter to anyone except Daenerys felt quiet and huge. A major plot point is actually irreverent to the plot except for the small, interpersonal conflict it creates. I think it's narratively subversive and a wonderful payoff (far moreso on reflection, granted). That's more a testament to the structure of Martin's overall story than the show's writing or character development – but still, the payoff was there.

Janel Brattland

Honestly, I feel as if fans forget that the show is a commercial enterprise that someone [HBO] has to be willing to fund. A lot of the problems some fans have with the last two seasons are really the result of HBO wanting more seasons and forcing the last season to be split in half. Yes, D&D said for years (roughly once the Red Wedding aired and they ran out of book material to adapt), “Seven books, seven seasons.” They clearly had a plan to finish it with 3 remaining seasons after S4 (the last full season based on the books), and then we got that awkward press release that they had about 73 hours of material to tell in the story. I’m not saying there aren’t flaws, but rather that they have more masters to answer to than just the fans. So they don’t deserve all of the blame, and certainly if fans want to point fingers, they should point them first at GRRM who still hasn’t finished the series. If you cut out the whole wight hunt (clearly added to extend their final season plan into two seasons), what’s left is not as bad as many want to make it out to be. Yeah, sure, the lines could’ve been better in Bran council. But there’s so many great things in the series, it seems wrong to trash it for one epilogue scene.

Linda M Derouin

I'm happy with the season and where the characters ended up. It makes sense if you're patient enough to delve into the characters we've all spent so much time getting to know. You can presume to understand where they were going and why. It will play out better in the books of course.

Lilli Sanchez

Thank you! Agree with everything, I understand that D&D didn't have the book to adapt, however that is not an excuse for lazy writting given that casual viewers (not even hardcore book fans) are coming up with better endings than the one we got. Or this long expected reunion of characters and when it happens there is o dialogue, nothing happens. Is it a lack of talent? Perhaps. Or the writting got affected by contracts with the actors, politics of the studio, obliged to give a certain actor/actress more screentime? The more I want to give to D & D the benefit of the doubt and understand their reasons for this final, the more I think they could have been done better out of respect for the fantastic cinematography, custom design, production, and the audience. As Tywin said: Legacy is all that lives on, not D&D personal glory, the Legacy of the TV show Game of Thrones, the TV show that rewrote the definition. The reason why we won' t watch any other TV show in the same way unless has the same quality. Don't be shy on the length of the video, it will be as long as it needs to be, is the last review for the TV show, it deserves more time...

Tim

This

Paul Barry

I think your comments are fair, well put and very ASX. It is really so puzzling. D&D really could do it well at times, even without source material. Others have mentioned examples, but I think The Door and Hardhome were also examples of where they only had dot points, and messed up some of the ‘believability’ bits, but still managed to craft an amazing episode, full of tension, drama, action, leaving me open-mouthed and often crying at the end. A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms was the same. If the Stannis end, or Dany’s arc, or Bran’s coronation, or the Short Night, could have had any of that dramatic resonance, it would have been so much better. I’m not pretending this is easy - George takes 7 years to write a book for good reasons - it’s bloody hard. They could do it at times, but for whatever reason, they became worse at the end, when it mattered most. As I watched the Last Watch doco, I just felt sad - so many people did so much, and they so nearly did it. But TV stands and falls on plot and writing. If they’re not strong, no amount of production brilliance can fix it. I’m not angry (anymore), I’m not bitter, I’m just disappointed. Look forward to the video, and really appreciate you sharing it with us.

Cowboysfan82

Hello. Bittersweet is the perfect way to describe the ending. Some endings I loved like, Arya andTheon, but Other endings like Danerys and Jon’s make me sad. I keep thinking what could have been and it feels like I’ve come accross about a dozens ideas in the past 2 weeks that would have made a better fit than the ending D& D stuck with. I thought your assessment was fair. A lot of people want to tear into D&D and make sure they never get another script again. But there’s no denying that what they gave us for the first 4-6 seasons was near brilliant.

Jeffrey Boerst

He's said on his after-show livestream that his other channel "Alt Schwift X" will likely host a rant video addressing the negatives of the ending and final season at some point, so do keep a lookout for that! ;)

Eli Bildirici

I don't know. For me, the ending felt neither bitter nor sweet. For example, 'It was sweet in the tv show to see Brienne knighted, Theon redeemed, Sansa as queen, Arya sailing west. ' Of these, only the first two felt genuine. The rest felt bolted on - I was either indifferent or disappointed. That said, outside of that, I think you essentially say this - the multiple ways the ending was botched, how the ep in itself wasn't really bittersweet - while keeping the frame of GRRM's 'bittersweet' comment. Which is a neat trick - good for you! Tonally this is completely in line with the channel, to the point where I could basically hear your voice whilst reading it. So yay! But I'm wondering if this concedes a bit too much. Still, I understand you're in a bit of a bind since, like. The point isn't to rant.

Marc Chéhab

The basic idea of working with Martin's 'bittersweet' comment and use it to describe the botched plotlines is great imo. But I think it might weaken the thrust of the argument if you mix legitimate cuts the show had made to the books already back when the show was still outstanding and how they rammed the whole thing into the ground in s07 and s08. If 'bitter' were only to describe things born of incompetence or haste, it'd sting much more and strengthen your conclusion... I think.

Chrras

I like it - ever since season 4, the show has been mediocre at best. I've recently re-watched the earlier seasons, and damn, the dialogue and plots are on point. Sad to see D&D treat it this was Game of Thrones used to be plot upon plot carefully weaved into each other. These past seasons all the plot lines were one by one destroyed or merged into one another. It's not necessarily the ending we don't like. It's the way they got there.

WarmSeoulLights

It's the age old conundrum of whether art should hold up on its own with no context. Knowing about the background of the production makes the writing choices appear sensible, however, I don't think the last season holds up on its own when the excuses are stripped away.

Richard Hernandez

Yeah I think you nailed it. My whole family is upset at how the show was rushed and had no development the last few seasons. So I'm going to show them your video when it comes out to give them context.

a bit cheeky

Please don't be afraid to have a long video! (pretty please!! lol). We would love it and there is no other video recap out there that is as great as yours!!!!! Thanks for all the work you're putting in, we appreciate it!

Krista Zaragoza

I sincerely do not mind if this video is 30+ minutes. I really want to hear what you have to say as well as your unbiased dissections. Im starting AFFC now and I’m so excited for your future book videos. (all your videos are great) thank you for doing what you do!

B

Thank you. Your analysis videos are great, and the best on YouTube. I have to say however that there was nothing sweet about the ending. Season 8 ending on episode 1 or halfway to episode 2 would’ve been great than what we saw. I was so excited at the beginning and now all that remains is sadness and disappointment. Even when I see the actors faces or posters of the show, just feels sad. I really liked the stark family at the beginning. Now that’s all gone. Bran’s and Sansa’s betrayal of Jon makes them no better than the Lannisters. We could have had an amazing ending to an amazing show. Oh well. Who knows, maybe there will be a sequel of one more season to give it a better, more satisfying ending. Daenerys from Volantis and Jon from the north - they might unite them. Not impossible, there is precedent for it. Cheers, and thank you for your work! Will stay engaged :)

VaVaGooGoo

I vote leave IN the the mention of Arya's Faceless magic! It drove me bonkers that she didn't use this. Alongside Bran's (non)warging and even Gilly's son - I thought for sure the White Walkers would be claiming this little one who was "owed" to them. Thanks ASX!

Aslam Nathoo

I think your commentary is very fair. It’s important to note that D&D should get lots of credit for the work they did in the first 6 seasons but the plausibility holes in the 7th and especially the 8th seasons are truly disappointing. I wonder if they got caught in not being able to see the forest for the trees as they led us to the end of the path. To me it was really an issue of plausibility. Why would you place the trenches of fire behind the troops? How could 11 ships fire multiple scorpion bolts to take out a dragon but 100+ ships couldn’t seem to manage to release even one successful shot or even a near miss? And it is so implausible that in the “kingsmoot” in ep6 no one would *even mention* Jon’s stronger claim to the throne. It feels like they just got caught in tunnel vision and only could see a single path to the ending that they plotted out a few years back (they said they’ve known for at least a couple of seasons that Arya would be the one to end the Night King so presumably they had plotted the ending out back then). They couldn’t see the forest for the trees and that’s disappointing. What’s more is that anyone who points to these plausibility holes is somehow an enemy of the show and disrespectful of the work that was put in. That’s unfair broad brush painting. Maybe some people are being disrespectful in their commentary but the vast majority are simply bewildered that this exceptional writing and directing team (which consists of more than just D&D) didn’t catch and fix the holes. But there are countless examples of TV shows that suffered similar “jumping the shark” moments. I have more to say here but I digress. Ultimately I think your commentary is fair, if not a little too kind to the writing team. I don’t think the endings for Jon and Sansa were sweet. They were both bitter to me. I take solace that there are the books still there and I am going to go back and review the last couple of books. I will sincerely look forward to your videos on the books. I hope we won’t have to wait too long to see the first of those. You’re awesome! Please stay focused on this universe because I think you have a lot more smart things to say on it and I look forward to hearing them.

Jonas

I think it's fair enough to criticize the show for the major plot misses. I also think that, to be fair, many of the problems mentioned in this draft is the curse of any TV show based on a mountain of written material, regardless if the show is written well or not. Something that comes across as unusual in this case is however that HBO has a gold mine here, and they knew it. So they were handing the showrunners basically the money and time they needed to do it justice. Their decision? We'll rush the heck out of it. Say what? I wonder why. D&D wanting to wrap up and go to Disney? A growing lack of enthusiasm from the showrunners? Or maybe they had the self insight to realize their own problems in giving the show the writing it deserved without source material, and so just wanted to be over with it ASAP? Who knows. I think this is an interesting part to think of in a conclusion though. I've also heard that maybe HBO didn't even want the conclusion to cover _too_ much, for mysteries to be left for spin-offs? The post-show theories are as plentiful as the in-show theories, it seems... ;-) In either case, I hope GRRM finishes at least this next book in reasonable time. Because even without the last one, it will still no doubt give strong indications of whether the book is heading for the show ending or not, perhaps even foreshadowing the "actual" ending.

virtuallw

I have a couple of thoughts. First, I loved Game of Thrones, beginning to end, and I love the positive thoughts you site at the beginning of this commentary. Also. Looking at the list of book characters and plots that I have never heard of because I didn’t read the books, made me want to read the books for sure, because I want more! But, for the TV show, I would like to remind us that watching Game of Thrones already requires work! There are so many people and places and plots that I found I had to look at maps online, and family trees, and specific characters, to learn or remember who they were and how they fit in. I warn people that haven’t seen it to see it from the beginning, to pay attention, and not to worry if they get lost at first, and maybe be ready to do a little homework to get it all. So, I don’t know if I would have liked what D&D left out better than what they put in, but I loved what they put in and clearly they couldn’t include everything. As to plotlines not paying off in the end, like Bran’s warging powers and Arya’s Faceless magic and Jon’s claim to the Iron Throne, I agree, however, through the series we had plotlines for many characters ending abruptly, for instance, all the Red Wedding characters, and one that I particularly felt disappointed about, was the Cercei / Margaery Tyrell plotline. They developed Margaery and put her in an important position, then “poof” she was gone. So it’s not the first time plots met an untimely end. I do feel like I wish they had another season, but they didn't. I know people are very disturbed about Daenerys going crazy, and Bran becoming king, and Jon being banished. But I also understand that D&D had discussions with George R.R. Martin, and that they pretty much did follow his ending with respect to the main characters. I can live with that, and look forward to the details later. Small point, I personally really liked the “Wight Hunt Plan”. I am surprised to hear it wasn’t in the books! It was very important to the plot! All that said, I hope your video is more positive than negative toward the TV show. I am so grateful for it. It brought me a lot of hours of enjoyment and fantasy and was a remarkable achievement in so many ways. I really can’t stand to see all the negativity. It hurts me. And lastly, you’re great! Love all your videos!!!!

EO

You should end with a good thing to say about the show instead of ending with bitterness. There are things to criticize about the show, but as a whole it was great and the problems are vastly overstated on the internet.

Linda M Derouin

Is the final episode explained video coming?