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UNCUT - Emanations (VOY S1E9) | Star Trek Journey 353 (Patreon)

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Summer

Picard pronounced Bajor like you Josh, don’t worry

Summer

There are good moments here but not a fave, there are so much better this season. So glad you are enjoying it

Bantha Fodder

Don’t forget that Janeway did a whole monologue about deciding to be more personable with the entire crew because of their situation. I think she was very much like Picard before this show began and less mom like.

Trekkie74205

It is like reaching a different plane of existence when you finally know the answer to "Kirk or Picard?" is JANEWAY. And that comes from someone who loves James T. Kirk and Jean-Luc Picard.

StonyD

Wasn't Jerry Hardin in an early episode of TNG before Twain? The one where they want the children from the Enterprise?

Prof Moff

man this one hits me in the feelers. Harry's reaction to the box thing going to kill him is exactly how some people feel getting ready for major surgery

THE LORE!!!

Yeah, he was in the terrible kid episode, When the Bough Breaks.

Target Audience

True! She did say she must adjust since it’s not a normal crew situation, good point

Ryan

"All I know is that in the afterlife, you could be headed for the serious strife." This for me was a Star Trek V–esque attempt to answer questions that can't be answered from where we are. Good guest performances from Jerry Hardin and the woman who played Ptera, and a fantastic ending monologue from Janeway, but otherwise there wasn't much here to hold my attention. Not sure why they went for the "culturally mandated death" discussion when they did that better in Half a Life. With that said, hard to disagree with the "best season 1" title. Man did they have this meal fully cooked from the outset.

Goobabies

Give me the big spider!

xadg

Jeez, Harry really screwed that guy out of being neural energy.

StonyD

YES! That was it. And yeah, it was terrible lol

Collin Freeman

I think Tim Russ deserves some love for his acting chops. It must be so hard to be an actor but not to be able to emote, and carry it off convincingly.

Elizabeth N

Interesting discussion! This is a great episode for posing some difficult questions about life and death. I like the choice of it being the youngest crewmember going through this rather than someone like Chakotay who seems to be the most spiritual member of the crew we've seen so far. Makes you wonder how the other characters would've dealt with the situation.

Collin Freeman

I guess the final verdict is, Jerry Hardin - good actor. But even a good actor can't save a bad story. It's all in the writing.

River Acheron

Anything that properly explores the nature of death is Aces in my book. The writing ITSELF....I mean it's passable. But the premise and execution is great. I will go ahead and give this an A I will also say, in my opinion, the rest of Voyager season 1 is solid. I gotta admit that. Nothing I would give under a B. :) No spoilers. Just my thoughts. ^_^

Laura Thornley

Season one has surprised me upon rewatching with you - its a lot better then I remembered! Maybe its because I'm older now. I think you're going to love the show as a whole though if you're into it this much already.

reactive1

I haven’t seen this one since it first aired. I remembered the basic premise of it. It’s ok. B-/C+

Jack Mingle

This episode hits close to home being both from Canada and having a disabled younger sister. That Alien culture is very grim from my POV, I wouldn't want to live there. No one is ever a burden to deserve death.

Steven Linden

I'm with Tinman - it was a cop out to put in that energy thing with the rings. I'm tired of any story that criticizes religion/faith having to tread softly and be careful not to offend the believers.

Steven Linden

I might be an outlier, but for me, the earlier seasons of Voyager have always been the best. Definitely agree with Josh that this is the strongest first season since TOS.

Marko

To each their own I suppose. I like it they kept it open ended. Real world is full of adversity and gloom anyway. So it's okay to have a positive note here and there for average Joe.

Matchstick Jose

This is definitely the kind of thing that would happen to O’Brien. Kim took the bullet on this one for you, Chief. I think the only way to do the type of story Alex wanted, showing all the cultural repercussions, would be if time moved differently on their home planet/dimension, so that Kim would have spent 5 years trying to get back and thus getting to see the societal changes, while only a day or two passed for Voyager. Really enjoyed the discussion. You hit on most of the same points I would make about the episode. Really the one thing I found missing was more visceral terror/desperation from Kim at the possibility of being doomed to live on this world alone with no way back for the rest of his life.

Laura Thornley

I can appreciate that. Its certainly the most consistent season!

River Acheron

I agree. For as much as I rag on Voyager, I do think the first few seasons had some amazing episodes. I think it's the opposite of TNG and DS9 in that it got worse as it went along. I know some people love the later seasons, but I think the writing and just the stories got worse from season 4 onwards. I can't say why just yet of course and it's just my own opinion about the series. Its a shame, because I wanted to REALLY love this show when I binged it. I dig most of the characters themselves, but to me the show eventually lost steam. I'm not saying the later seasons don't have episodes that I would rank as A or S. They do. But for me, they are VERY few and far between as the series progresses. I should note too that I didn't watch in release order. I DID watch the episodes in order, but I started this show after I was done with Deep Space 9...one of my favorite TV series of all time. So I held this to that standard. Unfair? Maybe. Biased? Probably. But hey, I'm human! DS9 spoiled me lol

Shawn Indigo

TRUTH: I can take a mental health day or 2 as needed. I teach adults in a classroom environment. My boss and employer care about staff's emotional health. It does happen in this world sometimes. I'm proof. Also I love Voyager and Janeway! And you guys :)

Ashley Sconzo

In my opinion I feel that Picard is the Diplomatic Captian, he goes on the big Starfleet Missions, holds diplomatic talks, and solves any other issues that the Federation needs to show they mean business. Sisko is the Fatherly Commander, he is there to nuture Bajor into the Federation, he is there to make sure things are safe. and Janeway is the Captain Captain, She has a mission, and no one else to answer to except her own moral compass, she can't ask the admirals what to do, she has the final say. It really gives us a way to love all 3 for who they are and not try to pit them against each other as who is best. They all have their ways and it works for who they are as people.

Collin Freeman

I agree with that rating ; it's how I felt about it.

Zenlike Creature

I do enjoy the exploration of themes such as this; death is truly the great unknown. This episode is ok, solid, but as you say, Alex, it could have delved deeper into death and cultural beliefs. That said, we'll all find out what's at the end, eventually.

Kevin Jackson

I also appreciated VOY way more upon rewatch and now I absolutely LOVE VOY! I upon my initial viewing didn't really warm up to VOY until Season 4 but upon re-watch I discovered TONS of gems in Seasons 1 to 3. The pilot was always cool though because it had to set everything up. And there were always random episodes that were cool but my appreciation skyrocketed upon re-watch.

River Acheron

I can say this too: Even though Voyager is my least favorite ST...it has my favorite character of the entire I.P. The Doctor.

Sam Langanke

It's not in "the" world, Alex, where you can't get two days off after a near-death experience. It's in you world, also called USA. Greetings from "socialist" Europe.

River Acheron

Also, I HATED hating this show. I wanted to love it so so bad. Anyone who reads my episode rankings should see I am very VERY forgiving and I like things in general in life. When I first binged this in 2020, as the show got worse for me as I watched it, I literally was like "please be good! please be good!" every time I started a new eppie. I hate not liking something. But the fact is, this series is just not for me. :/ But I will never pretend I like something that I just don't like. I did binge it a second time and yeah...it's not for me. Some great episodes sure, but as a whole, its the weakest Trek for me. It was tough for me to come to terms with after seeing TNG and especially DS9 for thr first time. I tried lol

Darren

I’ve always felt Voyager had the strongest first seasons. Nice ideas here execution is lacking but it nails the final scene.

Justin B

This episode is an absolute snooze-fest to me. I get what they're trying to do, but it just didn't work for me. Halfway through, I was ready for it to be over.

Tim Nikiforovs

He can always go again when he gets tired of being a cripple

Tim Nikiforovs

Oh that would be cruel, making Harry lose half a decade of his life trapped in another dimension.

Collin Freeman

Sadly, I felt that way about many of Voyager's episodes, which is why this series never fully clicked for me. I'm giving it another shot thanks to the TA.

EnigmaticPenguin

I love how "We ruined a whole religion this week." is a subgenre of Star Trek episodes.

Jonathan Llyr

When this episode first aired I thought to myself, “if the series keeps giving us episodes like this it’s going to be in a lot of trouble.” Say what you want about how it explores the theme of the episode, it certainly doesn’t pull it off in a very interesting fashion. It’s dull and dreary. But thankfully even though there are a number of similar clunkers to come the series does have some great stuff to look forward to.

Deep Red

I've always felt that he was the second best Vulcan after Spock. There have been good Vulcan performances but I think Tim Russ just "got it".

Collin Freeman

I count him as 3rd best, after Nimoy and Mark Lenard.

Millenial_Manc

Prime Directive out of the window… Kim left his phaser and tricorder! Including all the readings of the bodies and asteroids. Was the actress playing the wife of the man who went naked to the mountains the school teacher who Data argued with about the elements when he lost his memory? And was the actor playing the man with the bad leg also Dr Reager off that space station that blew up as Riker beamed out? Having a bad mental health day and can’t remember episode names.

CarnifexRex

With regards to the culture seemingly in a hurry to die, remember they have to schedule their passing. Since it seems like they have to be in that pod, and schedule it ahead of time, I dont think they can get to the next emanation if they die in an accident or up in the mountains. I think that has a big effect on their willingness to rush their passing

Who North America

The Star Trek Voyager crew arrive at a planet that has adopted the Canadian Healthcare System.

Dr. Paul Stubbs

During the first act of the reaction all I can think is, "wow, this would be a much better episode if the plot was actually about a giant space spider."

V G (Zay)

I enjoy this whole episode and then that ending scene with Kim and Janeway totally brings it home. I wonder if maybe she sees a lot of her younger self in Harry: eager, ambitious, confident, friendly. For myself, I'm both a person of faith and someone who loves science and I've never felt a conflict between those, so I really appreciate that at least as of this point VOY is much less hostile to faith/religion than TNG was. I think "We can't REALLY know, but we can theorize!" is a really sensible place for science-minded people like Janeway to fall when it comes to the afterlife.

EmptyDice

How horrible of those people to let their sick and dying say goodbye to their families while they are still sound of minds, and die believing that what's coming is great. They should do the humane thing, and lock their loved ones in institutions, so they can suffer for as long as possible and die alone and terrified. /s My grandfather begged my family to let him die for 15 years while he was basically on suicide watch in an old people home. The day he died, he was terrified and spent 6 hours being revived and suffering before his body finally gave out. I wish he could have had an euthanasia while he was still lucid and happy, so I could have good memories of him. Now, the only memories I have of my grandfather is just how broken his body was and how much he was suffering. Suffering in a hospital bed for years before dying is my greatest fear. The way we treat our sick and dying is one of the worst things that my culture does imo.

EmptyDice

In "socialist" Canada, we are legally allowed to take sick days for mental reasons, but culturally it's very much looked down upon. You can do it, and the employers aren't allowed to fire you for it, but it will definitely change how your coworkers think of you.

Kristina Weber

I can't help it, I love this subgenre of episodes. Bring it!

TinMan_7B9

I should clarify my take. I didn't mean writers are "cowards" for including any religion ever. (I love "What Dreams May Come" for example). I meant they were cowards for not trusting the emotional resilience of the audience. The horror in Emanations completely depends on there NOT being an afterlife. The whole point of the episode is being sad (for that girl when she realizes she's never going to see her brother again), and mad at that society for allowing the disposal of unwanted people with (what we know are) lies. Suggesting that "maybe she got to see him again after all", it replaces this horror almost with a sigh of relief that "all is well" and that there was actually nothing wrong with killing the disabled. Either make a "What Dreams May Come", OR a stone cold horror with bodies on an asteroid. Not both at the same time because you think the audience can't handle the latter.

TinMan_7B9

"Thine Own Self" and "A Matter of Perspective". No, different actors.

Connor Watson

There are hours of or lives we regret wasting that we'll never get back and every Harry Kim episode is one of those hours for me. Boring, don't care at all for these aliens or their troubles, exactly what the D grade is made for.

David Jevón

The religious need faith, but the faithful don't need religion. Faith has often been the engine of scientific discovery throughout human history. Religion has gone out its' way to do the opposite, imo. Gene probably hates that this made it in Trek, but I love it.

Naglfarius

Really nice Score in this Episode. Elevated a few Scenes. (Also Alex your Side eye at the End was a few Seconds to early. Guess Janeway gotcha. ^^)

Me, Myself and I

I agreed with your take of this episode "chickening out," and it's not just because I'm a lifelong atheist. After all, I know a few fellow atheists who don't believe in any gods but who DO think there's some kind of afterlife. They just don't believe it's the Christian one (or whatever religion), nor that it requires the existence of a god. I think they're just coping with their existential horror at the thought of dying, a horror I just don't share, but that's just my opinion. In any case, I thought this episode would've been more powerful if the alien culture's religion WAS just flat-out and demonstrably wrong. No wishy-washy "neural energy in the planet's rings" thing. Just bodies decaying in an asteroid. That doesn't necessarily mean that real people's thoughts about the afterlife are wrong, just that THIS culture was wrong, so there's really nothing for real-world believers to be upset about with regards to this episode. After all, a believer in a certain faith usually does believe that all other beliefs are in fact wrong, even if they have similar concepts. So why not just have the alien culture be wrong, and then we the viewers can imagine what might have happened to their society after that? But, on the other hand, it was the 1990s, and TV was a lot less edgy and "clickbaity" than it is now, so I also can't blame the powers that be for being a little cautious with the subject matter.

Dr. Paul Stubbs

This is exactly what bothered me as well.

TalynOne

Snooze fest. Long boring episode about characters and culture that are not interesting. TNG did this better with Half a Life.

Loot Narsbaar

What I would have given for him to be in this episode, same lines same part, as Twain

Loot Narsbaar

The answer to Kirk or Picard has always been “Sisko”

International Man of Leisure

This one didn't hit with me. C- at best. I just didn't care. There was nothing at risk (ok, maybe Harry, but he's just an ensign - dime a dozen) and Voyager just screws with people's beliefs.

Malamute

Just a heads up, this episode was made during the Dr Kevorkian trials and this is a reference to dealing with that.

Paul

I think there's a difference between embracing the "next stage" of life, whatever a person or culture might believe that to be, and encouraging or coercing someone into ending their life because they've become a burden to you. Very sorry to hear about your grandfather's suffering. Nuance is often lost at scale, be it in bureaucracy or societal standards.

Paul

It's about culture more than economic system. Unfortunately, the US values work more than anything else, very little life balance.

Paul

Oh? He didn't seem particularly angry in this reaction, not to me.

Paul

Great discussion. Does anyone else fear death too? Or, I think that's the wrong word usage. I'm not afraid of death as I don't think there's some fiery lake awaiting my soul. I think either nothing happens, and I drift off into an eternal slumber, or there is indeed another "stage" that we aren't privy to here in this mortal realm. But I dislike the concept because it's an ending to what I do know as existence now, and I love existing. From the simplest activity, eating a perfect burger with bacon, to the grandest skydiving adventures, it's all... perfect. I hope it never has to end. Come on AI, develop treatments for the primary stages of biological aging... Also, the only thing I disagree in your discussion is not liking the guest actress interacting with Kes? I thought she was great, very convincing emotions.

EmptyDice

I just think that we can't judge this culture too harshly, when our own cultures aren't much better, or even worse in how we deal with death. And my grandfather wasn't a burden on his family. He didn't want and couldn't live with his children, because he was a "danger to himself". He paid his nursing home through his own pension; he was a burden on himself. It's his children that convinced him to stay alive, because they didn't want to think about death. I'm sure he would have preferred to leave a significant inheritance, rather than slowly bleeding his lifesavings on managing the declining health that he destroyed to "earn" those lifesavings. The real problem is that this isn't an isolated exception, it's a situation that's incredibly common, and we don't want to think about it. People are suffering needlessly because we don't want to think about death.

Tim Nikiforovs

Interesting discussion on this one, particularly about how people blame religion for human shittiness when it's just one one of many outlets. Even people who reject religion can become so invested in politics or social movements that those things take on all the hallmarks of religion minus belief in God, and in some cases end up causing even more harm(like communism killing 150 million people). I always roll my eye when people say war and conflict would stop if we got rid of religion. I think something like 4% of all wars in history were partly or entirely motivated by religion, and maybe 2% of deaths. Most of those are well in the past at this point. I think if someone has beliefs that give them direction in life and some certainty about what comes after, and they're not trying to enforce it on anyone else, that can be very positive. I knew one girl at my first job who was atheist/agnostic but still went to church for the community aspect of it. But obviously there are more cult like or manipulative expressions of it, like those mega churches which was explored somewhat in in that recent X Files episode. Granted they operated out of a tent, but I get that's a budget thing. And to be fair in that case the kid did seem to be able to legit heal people. As someone from Canada, I chuckled a bit when you said you'd be appalled if somewhere in the real world took the whole "you should go kill yourself so you're not a burden" approach, considering how close to the border you are. The MAID policy up here is pretty disgusting IMO. If it were a "by request only" thing that could never be recommended by a medical professional, and reserved for terminal incurable conditions, ok. But the fact is our govt tried to make it available to children as young as 12 with conditions as minor as depression. There was a case of a veteran who suffered an injury in training and just needed a wheelchair lift installed at her house, and instead they offered her assisted suicide. It actually is a horrific policy. That said I don't necessarily get the sense these aliens have any policy as bad as Timicin's people. It seems entirely voluntary, it's just in this case this guy's family was clearly trying to get rid of him because he was a "burden", but I don't think anyone is actually forced into it. I have to say though, the first time we see his wife getting all emotional, I immediately saw through the crocodile tears/performative crying for the manipulation tactic it was. I learned to spot that act from a mile away because I saw it a thousand times from my own mother growing up. The dead giveaways are facial expressions associated with crying but few if any actual tears, that it seems to start and stop on command, and that when it starts and stops it directly in line with getting what you want out of someone. Basically as soon as Hatil confirms he's going through with it, the waterworks stop. Granted, it's possible it was intended to be genuine and just a poor performance, but most indications point to her gaslighting Hatil into killing himself, in which case the actress did an excellent job. Gotta say though, that pod is fairly spacious, and the device that kills the occupant pretty specifically targets the neck. Did Harry skip ab day? Why can't he just hold a sit up for a few seconds so the zap misses him? I'll give this one a B+. Not an amazing episode or anything, but I do like that it ends on a more hopeful note. Also I noticed some of the Dutch angles before, but never really clocked that ALL the camerawork in the other dimension was like that. Cool directorial choice.

StonyD

LOL Deepthroat pops up in an episode of X-Files and he's sporting the white mustache and accent....Alex dies on the spot LOL!!

Ja Dav

The most unintentionally amusing thing about this episode is that the guy that Harry Kim takes the place of in the wrapping is a scrawny 100-pounds soaking-wet guy while Harry is rather robust and we just pretend not to notice. This is overall another okay but middling episode like the last one. Two of Season One's three best are up next back to back though.

BN13

I listen to a lot of near death experiences from places like The Other Side NDE. According to them, you have a absolutely nothing to fear if you die and you're an atheist. In fact, most NDEs I've heard have been either from atheists or former catholics. From them, it sounds like the religion that's closest to being right is Hinduism. But the ultimate message of them is your religion doesn't matter. They are all just man made constructs. If they help you feel closer to God, great! If not, don't worry about it. We're all ultimately here just for the experience of living, and to learn how to love in a world that's constantly trying to pull us away from that. Basically, Earth is supposed to be soul boot camp.

Todd

naked? I thought it was obvious that Harry gave him his uniform.

Todd

To quote Will Riker, "Speak for yourself, sir. I plan to live forever."

Forbidden Donut

Pretty much what I understand as well from my own time spent researching and listening. NDE's are part of the reason why, but there are others. I think this mortal life we're having right now is a fraction of our existence, TBH. Which all truly blows my mind, because 20 years ago I was basically Alex on this stuff.

Todd

RE: Jake, I always assumed that based on his age he was limited in his scope of episodes originally. Also, I think it can be difficult as writers having regular actors who are not "bridge crew" always having things to do. Deanna worked a station on the battle bridge in Encounter at Farpoint that one time. Otherwise, she just had to sit in her chair and look worried during a red alert. Kes is now a nurse and functionally the ship's counsellor. Plus, she's psychic. Neelix is a guide and cook. There is less for him in my opinion; however, he probably should have been a part of the original away team. Just a couple lines and he wouldn't have went unused this episode.

Forbidden Donut

I appreciate what Brannon Braga was going for with this episode in terms of its sentiment, but for me it just doesn't really work too well. Partially because of how he describes the beliefs of this particular alien race, and to me it doesn't make too good of a stand in for many religious people's beliefs on Earth, at least not the types I'm familiar with. Furthermore, because of what might be thought of as a 'spiritual journey' that I went on years ago, my current view of reality and what I think quite possibly happens when people 'die' makes this whole episode kind of frustrating to watch. Long story short, I went from being an ex-Christian atheist who sounded a lot like Alex, in terms of my attitude about this stuff, to viewing the world quite differently, even though I never adopted a new religion. I'm very thankful for my current perspective, TBH. But it does make episodes like this rather dull/flat.

Loot Narsbaar

Enjoy being 31. Youth is wasted on the young.

Forbidden Donut

Depends on who you work for in the USA. It's not the economic system forcing any boss/company to be a cold asshole to their employees here, they choose to be, or they choose to be compassionate. Both exist here.

Loot Narsbaar

Destiny was a pretty good episode.

Philbot

Alex saying that he wants to base his entire personality on Janeway! 😂 wearing her uniform, hair in a bun, drinking coffee, Hepburn voice.

Doug

Really decent episode IMO, I really don't understand the people who are saying it's boring

Some Guy

Maybe we should have a death count along with the sex count. Don't Tom and Harry both have a point now?

Millenial_Manc

Yeah coz he would blend into the background wearing that. How bad was his leg if he could go and live in the mountains anyway? He should have gone to the police station to report domestic abuse.

KingPin124

…and that concludes our documentary on the Canadian healthcare system. I hate to get too serious on Josh, but when he said at 1:05:30 that “if that happened on earth somewhere, we would not be allowing that”. In 2024 government assisted suicide were 5% people of ALL deaths in Canada. Growing each year by a lot. Many US states are following. Europe is inventing suicide pods that look just like the shit in this episode. It’s evil, disgusting and sad. 😔

BN13

I think it was necessary for the episode to have B'terra die on Voyager. That way, her energy releases and goes to the energy field in the rings, and she finds her afterlife. If she had gone back, we would have never known what happened to her, she wouldn't have belonged there, and she would have lived the rest of her life in fear, possibly cut off forever from the rest of her family in the energy field. I think this episode is like Destiny in a way, (to me Destiny is an episode about misunderstanding, not religious prophecies being correct) only the people on the planet never understand that they misunderstood the process. I think these people DO get their afterlife just as they think they do. It just doesn't happen in the WAY that they think it does. The spider web stuff that their bodies produce is a highly complex element, and their consciousness leaves the body to exist with all of the other consciousness as part of the energy field. Who knows what the experience is like in that field. It probably is their heaven. It reminds me of Meridian actually where that entire planet shifts into another dimension of consciousness for a while. So this isn't the first time that Star Trek has established that things like that happen in universe. I'm with Alex in that I would like to see more from this planet and how they handle this. But I don't want to see the planet delve into chaos as much as I frustratingly want this planet to figure out what actually happens to them. Both the fear and the hope, the good and the bad of it. I want them to actually know that their bodies decay on an asteroid, but their energy goes into a community energy field around the planet, and watch the society adapt to this truth. But just like here on Earth, we're never going to know what actually happens to us until we die, so I guess it's fitting that this planet would never know either. It's just unsettling knowing that since this society only got a few bits of the truth here and there, fear and misunderstanding are going to run rampant now and probably have a devastating effect on the society.

Zerocooleo

If you like Rick and Morty you will get the nod to this episode from Zick Zack the Floop Floopian in Rick and Morty Season 3, Episode 8 "Morty's Mind Blowers"

Target Audience

I’m totally ignorant on this, but couldn’t all NDEs be your brain trying to process death in the moments as it happens?

BN13

You really need to listen to first hand accounts from people, and decide if that is what's going on on a person by person basis. But from what I've heard, I really don't think that's what's going on at all. If you want to listen to one to see what these things are like, I recommend starting with a first hand account from Nancy Rynes or Vinney Tolman. These things are usually highly detailed, and have a lot of things in common from multiple different people. They also usually feel like they take months or years to experience when they might have only been dead for an hour. They don't feel like a dream or a hallucination, or other random stuff that your brain does. People describe these things as feeling more real than life, to the point where once they come back, they don't feel like our world is real anymore. Plus some people were proven clinically brain dead when this happened. They were hooked up to equipment that showed there was no brain activity at all. Common experiences include things like having life reviews. And this is way more than "your life flashing before your eyes." A life review is a systematic review of specific events with a guide, where they experience their own life from other people's point of view, and feel what those other people were feeling at moments during their life. They can experience both the good and the harm that they caused others. These are usually moments that the people never previously gave any thought to, but here they are shown that those moments had a profound impact. And the point of this isn't judgment, but learning. To a lot of people, this is a huge epiphany, and they are changed forever after experiencing this. People also describe an overwhelming sense of unconditional love, telepathic communication, seeing colors that don't exist here, and remembering that this other side is their true home and why they chose to come here. Some people are shown or remember past lives or pre birth memories. Another common experience is having an out of body experience where they are in the same room their body is in looking at themselves dead and don't even recognize themselves. They can hear what other people are thinking and feel what other people are feeling. Some people have even traveled to other floors of the hospital and saw what the doctors were doing. Then after they came back, they told that doctor the conversation they had, and they were right. Others spoke with dead ancestors or family members that they never even knew were family members. But then when they come back and told the experience to their mom or whoever, they tell them "omg! That was your great aunt Clara! She told you something that nobody else knew but me. She was the one who named you before she died." Or something like that. Many of these experiences have all of these things happen. And some people come back with old injuries healed, or they have an incredibly quick recovery from whatever killed them. And some people come back with talents or abilities that they didn't have before. Like one guy came back suddenly able to masterfully paint, while another could compose music when neither had that ability at all previously. Another gained the ability to tell when other people were going to die.

jon bolton

I thought this episode was okay, but nothing special even though it had a few good moments. I used to consider it a D and skip it but i enjoyed it more today so it's gone up to a C. Still my least favourite episode so far though.

Anonymous Science

Josh said he wasn't aware of Earth religions that tell you to just off yourself. There are multiple death cults, and even death cults within mainstream religions. The 9/11 bombers went through with their suicide-bombing because they believed they were going to a better place. The Christian Science church withholds medical care to their children because they believe it is a good thing for their children to die young before being able to accrue sin. Jahova's Witnesses deny themselves and their children blood transfusions because Leviticus says that its a sin to consume blood. So they conclude its better to die young and go to heaven than survive due to a blood transfusion and risk going to hell. Does "consume" include transfusions? Why risk it if you get rewarded for dying early? Religious people who believe in an afterlife, and truly think it through, realize that life is just a waiting room for eternity, and nothing here matters except meeting the requirements to pass the test to get into the best afterlife. People like that are incredibly dangerous. They hurt themselves, their families, and others. All for the promise of something unprovable. They do it for deities that are clearly evil if they condone the death and suffering of the innocent.

Anonymous Science

Josh, you used the term agnostic using its modern definition and not its original definition, and you might be interested to know about its original definition, which I actually think is a more useful word overall and is very useful in defining religious beliefs with greater fidelity. Agnostic, when originally coined, meant to acknowledge that something is unknowable, and not that it is unknown. Agnostic, by its original definition, deals with knowledge and not belief. Many combinations of gnosticism and belief is possible, such as to be an gnostic Christian, they believe that it is knowable and they believe Christianity is correct, or an agnostic Atheist, acknowledging that it is unknowable, and believing there is no God (often due to the critical thinking concept of The Burden of Proof, where we treat all claims as false till proven true, and "till proven true" is not possible due to it being unknowable). More accurate language allows us to think about these concepts clearer, so its always nice to spread those tools.

Forbidden Donut

What BN13 said, plus there's more. For every theory to 'explain away' NDEs as a biological function (like too much oxygen, not enough oxygen, dying brain theory), there are other anecdotes and reports that don't fit those explanations because they happen in a variety of situations to injured/dying/dead people who later get brought back. Despite the existence of obvious fraudsters ("Miss Cleo" types) and people who use mentalism / cold readings, and things like that to fool people, there seem to be some psychics and mediums who are genuinely learning information in a non-material way, something I did not expect when I first looked into it. Remote viewing is another interesting one, where people can psychically "see" far away places in their mind after only being told map coordinates as their "target". The military has been known to use this technique dating back several decades now. After death contacts, where a living person is visited by a dead person, sometimes even while the living person is wide awake, other times in their dreams, is another interesting one, particularly the cases where the dead person visits the living person not only while they're awake, but at the time of the visitation, the living person being visited didn't even know that the dead person had died or previously been sick or injured; they learned of it after the visitation. There are also anecdotes and studied/researched cases that seem to strongly suggest that reincarnation / past lives is an actual thing. When you start combining all of the above together, plus other things that I'm spacing on right now, and the fact that each of them seem to be reported again and again in recent history, sometimes much further back in history, and they seem to keep popping up in the here and now again and again as well, altogether it.... definitely paints a picture. There's a lot of books about all of the above and more. Over time, these things changed my mind. One book that summarizes a lot of it is "Surviving Death" by Leslie Kean.

SureRuseUser

Stuff that pricks my brain in this episode is: 1. How many people do they send off a day? How does it impact their resources if they have perhaps sent generations of "fertiliser/resources" off planet? 2. Any organised religion has a thing about keeping their followers alive as long as possible by preaching about purpose and helping family, and in most cases add a counter to self-harm via a bad and/or painful place you end up separated from your loved ones. My pessimistic and cynical take is that people in power need people below them to stay alive long enough to extract value from them. 3. Since the death shroud bandages stay behind, the transportation is similar to Terminator time travel. Also, Harry didn't "wake up" in the device on top of any such bandages or clothing.

Matt

Something awesome is about early Trek is how there was plenty of latitude to have these completely different personalities as Captains (and Sisko’s)…that they were all SO different, but you dont have to choose a fave because they’re just the best of what they are! The Kirk Kamikaze go in guns blazing axe handling maniac The class with all stats set to Diplomacy that is Picard No Sass, no Nonsense, But still comes off as a laid back and likable leader; smooth acting Benjamin And then just quick On her feet rolling with the punches Janeway They’re all so complete and somehow don’t really have overlapping qualities or step on toes too much…idk- i just felt that they were always the perfect personalities for their environment so no need to have a fave…loving one doesn’t diminish any others

Comrade Wireless Caller

Okay I have a question for you guys. Do you think Janeway's speech to Harry in this ep is more about youth. Or could it possibly be looked at more as a speech on simply not losing one's sense of wonder?

Scarpad’s Domain

yeah a pretty good s1 i would agree with everything and but its a law of dimishing returns IMHO, where as TNG and DS9 get great that doesnt happen on Voyager unfortunately

Scarpad’s Domain

agree they had a lot of great eps but alot of mediocrity, i can remember the vast majority of ds9 and tng episodes, not voyager it never left much of an opinion

Jason Aud

Do you recall Mark Twain from TNG Season 1? I know you know him from his Mark Twain appearance but he was also in "Where the Bough Breaks" TNG season 1, think he was in charge of the people there that couldn't have kids so they stole the Enterprise's. Wasn't sure if you remembered that or Twain as the first appearance.

Keith of Planet Earth

Question: Can you believe they killed Harry? I like that Janeway gave him time off to think about his death, not many starfleet captains would do that. It's an A

Matt Does Stuff

This is my first time trying syncing up my copy with your video. And it is creepy and hilarious how accurately synchronized I did it. Looking at my TV and hearing the voices and sounds matched perfectly from my computer

Capture The Moment

I feel like this is almost similar to half a life not exactly but a similar Vibe of a culture that is so ingrained in early death to lessen the burden on the Family and to pass over to the afterlife

Capture The Moment

When you made the comment about that you think the mind can't handle the information if you were to somehow be able to bring it back with you after death I think is a very similar situation to the nth degree with Barclay and once he is reintegrated he doesn't really remember all his knowledge that he had from the experience yes he remembers participating in those events but not the knowledge of how to do those same things anymore.

River Acheron

But that's kinda scary as well. Non-existance isn't the only fear. Wandering around Earth as energy, disembodied sure is a reason to be afraid! And what happens when this planet isn't around anymore? Are we doomed to exist and float around the cosmos alone in an endless universe? To me, that's horrifying. And yeah, it very VERY well may be true! Will we eventually enter some ethereal or astral plane? Or be reincarnated? We have no idea. That unknown is frightening to me. I'm very sure there's no heaven or hell, and I am equally sure there's no total non-existence. But the other possibilities are equally scary at least to me.

BN13

That's not what these NDEs say at all though. According to them, we aren't tied to earth specifically. We are all part of the universe, and the universe is far more complex than any of us can ever comprehend, and it exists in far more dimensions than just the 3 we can currently perceive. I think string theory predicts there's actually 11? To get a better understanding of what I'm trying to describe, I suggest watching a video of the Kardeshev scale that goes all the way to what a type 7 civilization is. A type 7 civilization is the best description I can come up with for what "God" is, or as NDEers call it, "Source". Basically, God is both the source of the entire universe, and IS the entire universe itself. So by extension, the entire universe, including us, is part of source as well. "Source" is the entire universe right down to the strings in every atom. Source is all matter and all energy. But it's advanced and aware enough that it experiences all matter and every string's existence. It would be like if we knew what every cell in our body was going through. Source is basically the entire universe as one living entity with that level of awareness. Now will source eventually die? Is source even limited to this universe, or is it multiple universes? Who knows? According to NDEs, When you die, you're never alone. You go back to remembering/experiencing your oneness with source, and your connection to all other things within it. That's the feeling of unconditional love that all NDEers experience. They're feeling source. Your experience of being alone is when you are here, not when you're on the other side. We actually choose to come to earth (or any other planet. We aren't the only planet with life on it. The universe is full of life. Earth is just considered one of the harder ones to choose) to experience separateness from source, and to learn lessons that can only be experienced through seperation and adversity. And yes, some people when they die DO wander aimlessly around earth for a while. Some people when they die also experience what NDEers call "a void" and some even have hellish experiences. But you are capable of pulling yourself out of these experiences at any time as soon as you realize that it's your own mind that's keeping you there; like being being lucid in a dream. Many people with these experiences eventually encounter guides that get them out. Basically, you go to the level that makes most sense to you at the time; the level you can most accept. And you're never stuck at any level forever. Why are you "sure" there's no heaven or hell? Or equally "sure" there's no total non-existence? As you said, ultimately none of us have any idea. The NDEs actually do describe a type of heaven, but it's a heaven unlike anything any religion has ever described. Basically, the universe is always creating and recreating, and we are part of that process and creation. If you're not really sure what happens to us, and you're open to exploring other possibilities, then again, I suggest actually listening to some of these people first hand, and use your intuition to decide for yourself what you think happens. Just be wary of all the fake AI NDE channels that have popped up since this stuff started going mainstream in 2020. IANDS is the main NDE organization, and certain people like Nacey Rynes, Howard Storm, and Vinney Tolman, have told their stories to many places over the years. Any channel with main people like that, that has been around for a while, and has a link somewhere for people to contact them is legit. Some examples are The Other Side NDE, Life after Life NDE, Coming Home, and Shaman Oaks.

Derek Orr

oh for gods sake medical assistance in dying is not evil

Derek Orr

there is absolutely zero evidence or any reason to think their is an after life

Derek Orr

Stop with the lies and disinformation. Medical assistance is dying in Canada is absolutely only by request only!!! And your numbers on war and death caused by region are absolutely ludicrous. It's simply disingenuous to try and parse out distinct elements like religion or other factors from human behaviour and geopolitical events.

Derek Orr

Faith has nothing to do with scientific discovery

BN13

There may be no reason for YOU to think there is an afterlife. But I consider all of these NDEs to be eyewitness accounts. Are eyewitness accounts 100% accurate? No. But you get enough of them and they start to paint a likely picture of the truth. And there are literally 100s of thousands of these accounts. I thinks it's fair to say that definitely counts as at least "some evidence." And I could go on listing a bunch of other evidence, such as neuroscientists only being able to stimulate 5 specific things in the brain: motor control; automatic bodily functions; sensory input; emotions; and memory, but never anything like higher thinking or analytical thought. Or that there are documented cases where people only had 10% of their brain, and yet were able to function completely normally. To me, and to the neuroscientist presenting this information, this implies that consciousness is something that's not part of the physical brain itself, but is rather more like something the brain picks up and interprets, like a transceiver, with the consciousness itself somehow not being part of our physical body, or being an emergent property. So it's not that there is "zero evidence." There's plenty of evidence. It's that the evidence out there isn't hard enough or undeniable enough for you to personally accept. Assuming you've even been exposed to much of it at all. And "no reason to think this" is just invalidating language. People can have many reasons to believe anything. You don't have to agree with their reasons. I just listed a ton of my own reasons in the above comments. Those are all definitely reasons why some people think there is an afterlife. Again, those just aren't any reasons that YOU accept. And that's fine.

Tim Nikiforovs

There's no disinformation. This case was reported on by all sorts of media. I never said anyone was forced into it, but it was absolutely being suggested to people who were not terminally ill and not asking for it. Have a look. https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/veterans-maid-rcmp-investigation-1.6663885 As for wars related to religion, you can quibble about the percentages, but you see we have these people called "historians", and they're generally pretty good at cataloguing wars throughout human history, among other events. The overwhelming majority of wars are inspired primarily by economic or political factors. You may find different sources giving 5% or 7% figures, but again the actual associated deaths tend to be much lower since things like the crusades happened when Earth's population was comparatively tiny. None of the wars of antiquity are going to compare to the 10s of millions in the conflicts of the 20th century. Go ahead and research yourself, but simply saying "I don't like what you're saying so you must be wrong" isn't a counterargument.

Fire and Bloodwine

Faith has everything to do with it. You need to have faith that there are other people and a reality outside your own experience. There's zero evidence this is the case, yet you have faith it is so.

Schnabley

It is if you allow people to end their lives because of seasonal depression.

Schnabley

Came here to comment on Canada’s use of similar tactics, very saddening.

M.A. Moreno

After a solid opening sequence, it becomes a rather bland Braga screed against life after death with no surprises. At least bother to throw in an interesting B plot or something...

Bob smith

The one episode I almost never rewatch; seeing it again, maybe I was too harsh! Garrett Wang's acting was pretty on point.

Betty Smith

You guys talk too much! I'm watching it for the first time with you and I noticed how you do a lot of random talking during the show. I understand you are reacting to what you're watching and that's fine but think of it as if you're going to a movie, the random talking during the show is disruptive. Everything else before and after is enjoyable.

uberelder

i love that you guys talk and have banter during the episode. you guys generally do it at the right times, and i don't find it disruptive at all. in fact, it's part of the enjoyment i get from your reactions.