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Oren's Forge PG 396 (Patreon)

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2026-08-03 21:00:09
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Ramble has always had a soft spot for the ravens. (panel from page 11)

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Sarah

Ou I love that this is an element of knowledge/culture that the Zenith would lack since for generations they’ve not needed to scavenge

JeffMakesGames

Interesting. I guess some of the wolves within the Zenith may have fallen out of touch with hunting? Kinda shows how much control over the wolves the bison have... I get the feeling we are going to see the Zenith collapse in the future, the question is when...

AbigailBozarthArt

Who’s a sweet smart murderous apex predator? Yes Ramble it’s you! Defending sis’ rep and sneaking snacks to the birbs (maybe I’m forgetting some horrors in the time elapsed since reading about the pack being absorbed by the Xenith of course haha)

Grey

Sweet Ramble. Poor guy having to see his uncle’s corpse soon (presumably!). Echoing the interest in how baffled the Zenith wolves are about the ravens. I wonder how many other individualized hunting techniques were lost when they wiped out the smaller packs.

AbigailBozarthArt

Speaks to Moon’s (I forgot her name) capabilities as a leader that she responds with incredulity rather than disdain. She learns easily and is in some ironically tightly controlled ways open minded, comfortable with dissonance and traditional yet adaptable, which is super interesting for someone shaping up to probably be one of the main antagonists of a story about technology and change, cutting a revolution of invention at its roots before it can topple the world order she leads. That order is one her people profit from, but not absolutely; you can see the devotion to balance, unshakeable respect for authority, and the steel in her eyes as the gray mothers gave her pack but one life to sustain themselves and the bizarre respect (at least emotionally) she has for the life of the bull earlier. In DnD terms she is archetypally Lawful aligned without being so rigid as to collapse under the weight of her own dog-ma. Super fascinating character and villain- somebody I WANT to like, but who, you know, aside from doing what she has to survive as a predator also lives a life of conquest with no room for the children of other groups to be spared as their land must be subsumed into the feeding of her own under the system of life she has taken root in. Brutal and militaristic, giving her an edge over the usually disorganized animals she encounters, up until these Teeth begin to crop up everywhere like a weed strangling the harvest of her endless fields.

Fluffy

Oh, real world stuffs! Ravens will actually pick certain pups in a wolf pack to play with and stick to that pup as it grows, so even if it leaves its home pack it'll have a flock that works with it.

Krzysztof K

It's interesting. If Zenith continues this way and kills everyone in its path, the wolves will quickly die out in Zenith or practice inbreeding, but that will also lead to extinction. It'll be great for new males when they can breed in Zenith (e.g., Ramble, Gristle, actually too ;)), but it's worse for the females. If they wage war, the wolves will also quickly be wiped out. There will always be plenty of new bison. The entire herd is suddenly shocked that other animals want to protect their own territory. Someone might say, "Of course, these other animals can flee from predators and avoid bloodshed, but what will happen when Zenith spreads out and there's nowhere left to run? Where are the others supposed to flee? To another planet? There's one thing I can't understand: why in the Conclave where Oren was, herbivores could get along, but Zenith can't coexist with, say, pronghorns? The question is, can't or won't? Herbivores invented spears to defend themselves against predators, not other herbivores. But what do I know?

Gale Tazzin

turns out Gristle does have knowledge the Zenith doesn't after all, they're justified in wanting to spare him over Swift's pups imo

Krzysztof K

Don't forget that she treats the puppies in her own pack with contempt.

Julian Seguin

Not his uncle. More like his jerkish step-brother

treefiddy

This page makes me think of colonials "conquering" new lands, and meeting the "inferior" natives and learning their "backwards" traditions. It certainly could have gone that direction had the Zenith wolves not been in the predicament they currently find themselves in. The thing that immediately comes to mind is the rain dances that were common in the arid regions of the world. Which got turned into evidence that the natives were inferior to the more advanced and enlightened colonials, who had science and technology and didn't believe in such superstitious fallacies. Completely missing the point and purpose of such ceremonies. That even if the ceremonies didnt actually alter the weather patterns in reality, it did have real and positive effects on social cohesion especially during hard times. Which is very important for group survival. The Zenith very much view themselves as superior to "wild" wolves, and Pivot especially has been very vocal about that opinion thus far. Had they not been in the position they're in, I could easily see this little tidbit about communicating with birds being filed away and simplified as just further evidence to how much more advanced they are. "Those simple wolves, relying on BIRDS to find their food for them. When we don't even need to look for food, it comes delivered right to our paws! Look how much better than them we are" After a few generations and it'd be twisted to the point where the Zenith believe the wild wolves viewed birds as gods, and did all sorts of superstitious things to appease them.

treefiddy

That comment about the puppies being "voracious little problems" was a sarcastic jab at how the bison talk about them. Not her actual views towards the pups. She wouldn't have had such a smile and pose had it been serious

Gale Tazzin

it's Gristle's knowledge that Ramble is quoting. he didn't see his grandmother feeding the ravens, he's passing along his father's story

Krzysztof K

Hap will do anything to please the mother grays so they don't get rid of the wolves, because for those particular wolves, it means death. They slowly turn into dogs, losing their hunting abilities. The bison are beginning to realize this, so they actually have the most power over the wolves, not the other way around. Yes, Hap was sarcastic about what the bison said about the pups, but who knows if that's not her own opinion, considering she's so devoted to them.

Marcwolf

Interesting.. So the Bison's wolves are becoming domesticated..