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Dominant - Turmoil (1987/88): Part 3 (Patreon)

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John and Andy join Martyn to discuss the difficult winter of 1987/88 from the impact of Terry Butcher's injury to the Scottish Cup defeat by Dunfermline and the big spending spree in between. The introduction to Scottish football of one of those signings in particular, was one of the its most shameful moments.

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Tom McDavid

I loved Ray Wilkins. He signed on the Friday evening but I didn’t know till I saw him warming up on the pitch at Ibrox before we played Hearts I think. Maybe a sign of the times or an indication of my pubbing & clubbing habits of the time. 😇

Martyn Ramsay
>>78898333

Funnily enough, that Friday was the day I spent at Ibrox after coming out of hospital (where the avi photo comes from) and Wilkins wasn’t there. Durrant found out when he turned up on the Saturday and he was there!

Johnnie Mitchell

The admiration I have for Mark Walters after the disgusting racial abuse he encountered when arriving in Scotland. To go on and have such a wonderful career with Rangers speaks volumes for the man. It nearly brings me to tears every time I read or hear about those incidents, and the way it was laughed at from certain people. Absolutely disgraceful.

Raymond Paxton

Thank you, it is interesting the way the memories return.I was at that game against Aberdeen, in the West Enclosure and was sure the injury to Terry Butcher was at the Copland Road end.I was also at the match when Mark Walters made his debut and the behaviour of the MAJORITY of celtic fans should never be forgotten

Douglas Innes

Great pod , was also at parkhead on January 1st when Walters made his debut , a couple of friends had asked me to drive and would source a Rangers ticket for me , can was 2 bears 3 of them needless to say my ticket was in the jungle ..... my abiding memory was of Ian Durrant being hauled down for a penalty at 1-0 so instantly shouted " Penalty " ....... quickly followed by " you must be joking referee " remembering where I was which was followed by 3 mates all moving 3 steps away from me ...... aye Mark Walters suffered unreal abuse that day but what a player

Mark

Walters scored (I think) the goal of the season in the replay v Raith. Hamish MacAlpine was on his line and MW managed to chip him from twenty yards.

Paul Dunnachie

My memory is that the doomed Gough/Roberts partnership followed on from some animosity at Spurs where Gough came in and took Roberts’ place in the centre of defence. Ironically enough, I remember reading that Gough brought Roberts and Chris Waddell up to the League Cup Final in 1986, which sparked an interest for Roberts in Rangers. Listening to the discussion about Souness & discipline and it does seem that there was some pent up friction between the SFA and a this Scotland captain that both parties seemed to leap into from the start.

Gordon Smith

Regarding discipline I remember when the suspension bridge was built for the Garden Festival the joke at the time was it was to be called the Graham Souness Suspension Bridge.

Callum Dinnen

What was the story with Robert Fleck? The way his departure was talked about sounds slightly sinister.

Heart and Hand
>>79085142

He said later he ‘had to get out of Glasgow’. There were rumours at the time he was involved with some shady people.

Scott Christian

Another great episode chaps. Regarding the new year game, I distinctly remember the talk about the bananas being sold out in the east end, and I thought it was in the press. And John is right, if it was the other way round we would have had issues (I personally heard racial abuse albeit only once from one guy of Walters at Ibrox and he was actually shouted down quickly though probably not an isolated incident). What a special player though, I think the only real thing for us fans was that it possibly signalled the beginning of the end for Cooper at Ibrox. It really was a strange season overall. So many individual memories but not a consistent overall thread of memory of the league campaign. The Butcher injury really did feel a huge blow to title hopes even as early as November. It was a different time; defences were a solid and consistent back 4 which never changed other than the occasional injury but your biggest leader on the pitch missing was almost unrepairable. With Ferguson there was some excitement but yes I don’t think he really settled until his goal in the following season’s league cup final.

Gordon Watson
>>79085142

It was a weird situation (without having local knowledge) because he was such a good player and should’ve been in a position to regularly win Scotland caps. I think he ended up with 3 or 4 caps? And that World Cup appearance in 1990. He’s loved at Norwich but I can’t help feel he underachieved by some way. He could’ve won a few more trophies with Rangers, as well, you’d have thought.

Gordon Watson

Just listened to this episode of a great series and wanted to congratulate everyone for their honest and open discussion about the abuse Mark Walter’s suffered. I was 14 when he signed and remember feeling heartbroken he took that sort of abuse at Parkhead and Tynecastle. As a Rangers and Scotland fan, I felt deeply disappointed that sort of thing would happen. My cousin Harry who used to write to me regularly and send newspaper clippings to New Zealand was deeply embarrassed by it all. I asked him if that’s what Scottish people really thought of black people in general and he said unfortunately this really happened. Harry did say that the Rangers support had got behind Walter’s from the get go and that was the standard we should all aspire too. I recalled Viv Anderson taking some abuse in 1985 at the Scotland 1-0 England game which my late father described as being from a minority although I think he was gilding the lily a wee bit. I know the world isn’t perfect, people aren’t perfect as well, but I am reassured and encouraged when I hear discussions on the topic by intelligent fellow fans of our great club on the subject of racism. Well done again.

Gordon Watson
>>78909311

I loved Mark Walters, he was a big hero for me growing up in New Zealand. I identified with him as a player first and foremost but what captured my young imagination was the idea that if I was good enough as a player, I could play for Rangers, too, one day - my skin colour didn’t seem to matter to Rangers fans. That gave me the idea that I could quite possibly play for Rangers and make dads family proud - what a dream! The race thing for me, then and now, was never the point, though, if that makes sense? I didn’t see his colour, or mine, all I saw was possibility of playing for Rangers. The only thing that prevented it in the end was my crapness as a player hahaha! I think all anyone asks for is for a fair shot at a chance to realise their dreams.