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The Forum - The Superstar Effect (Patreon)

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2023-03-07 07:01:00
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Martyn is joined by David and Ross to discuss the impact of 'superstars' in sport. What it can do to the rest of the field in individual sports, how it could be managed well and badly in team sports, what is 'aura' and how might it shape the future of football.

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Laura McCrimmon

Really enjoyed this show and very interesting discussion on how football is consumed nowadays especially by the younger generation. Our son is fully influenced by what he sees on YouTube/tiktok and very much follows players more than he follows teams, he will pick other teams to follow based on the player profile. Thankfully his love for rangers though is what he is most consumed by.

James JCDCoaching

Really enjoyed the discussion on presence of certain players/figures/managers. I feel there is something within the physical energy that someone gives off. The most successful and highly competent individuals carry themselves with so much confidence, leaving us normal humans in awe of them in person. Similarly, they can carry themselves with a vibe that says "don't fuck with me". Roy Keane, as far as I'm told from those who met him in his playing days, carries an energy about him that tells you "don't fuck with me". We all give off energy that other humans can unconsciously pick up, letting you know how to approach us. The most successful and famous footballers, are intimidating in this way, purely because of their own sense of self-worth, confidence and authority.

Scott Christian

Listening to you describe your feelings around Smith made me think of Jimmy Bullard gazing up to Duncan Ferguson! I met Smith once, or rather I stood in a queue to shake his hand and get a picture after he and Gordon Smith had done a Q&A at Loch Green Hotel in Troon around 2010. I spent my early 20s watching his NIAR team every week and was absolutely one of the many detractors. Standing in the queue, all those questions going through my mind of why did he play all those lads out of position, etc. Of course I’d never ask in that situation, but even with those negative thoughts in my mind as I approached when it came to my turn to shake hands I stepped up and said hello and I cannot describe that aura. I instantly knew even if I played a round of golf with him I wouldn’t be able to challenge any of his ideas. The only way I’ve been able to describe it was I imagine it was a bit like being hypnotised; if he had told me to turn round and push my dad who was behind me off the stage we were on I’ve absolutely no doubt I would have!!

Scott Christian
>>103505097

It is fascinating. Whilst I’ve had a passing interest in Man City since the 90s my son just fell in love with Sergio Aguero. He even told me he would prefer Aguero to be his dad & he even said he would probably start supporting any team that he moved to. He eventually settled for City as his team (easier given their success of course!) I always tried to get him to love Rangers and tbf he does, but not as much as City; it’s hard when you live down south & his interest in football was really taking shape during the banter years! Glad your lad sees the main event amongst the noise 😀🔴⚪️🔵

Heart and Hand

Walter definitely had that 'don't fuck with me' quality that James mentions. Gerrard had it too. It wasn't a malevolence in the way that, say, Keane exudes an almost violent aura (and we all had that kid at school you knew could go off on one at any point). It was more - I can't quite explain it. You just knew.

Mark

On the point that David mentioned, concerning people following individuals rather than clubs, I have noticed this here in the US, particularly where basketball is concerned. LeBron James being a prime example.

Ross Hutton
>>103532645

Funny you mention him, one of the studies I read for background research was on LeBron James, who the study found had am inherently positive superstar effect on team performance and results.

Dougie Jones

Really enjoyable, thought-provoking show.

Ross Ellingham

Great pod it made me think of a time I was in Bangkok just after Gerrard was named boss. I had my rangers top on to grab some stuff from the shops. I got to the edge of the hotel and 5 locals starting shouting a Gerrard chant at me. No way a few months earlier they knew who Rangers where but all of a sudden people recognised the brand. One of my disappointments is Rangers never tried to tap into the Asia market at this time. I went to see Liverpool play in Hong Kong and 25000 people all rocked up with new Liverpool tops on who alll worship him

Paul Dunnachie

The US sports comparison is a good one - I speak about NFL and basketball with friends over there and they support their team but there is a enthusiastic fascination with the best players in the league that is shared.. they’d take the big star breaking a record of points scored or whatever against their team just to have some part of it.

Paul Dunnachie
>>103505097

My son & his mates known all about individual players and their ratings through FIFA. They make teams up with those players in them and will watch hours of videos about their favourites. I do see that he doesn’t watch the 90 mins of football matches outside of Rangers games though. Champions League round matches this week and he is playing FIFA with his mates rather than watching Chelsea v Dortmund last night. Yet has watched the goals and short highlights from it by 8am.

Laura McCrimmon
>>103505097

Yeah it's rare he watches a full game out with rangers, like ur son they will be on the Xbox but watching the goals as they happen on same other platform. He will come through to us and say u seen the goal when we are clearly watching the game lol. I dread to think how it will all be for our daughter who is only 7 the now, but can work her way round YouTube to watch the rangers highlights every week. Found her watching clips of Alfie goals last week 😂

Grant S

The ticktock/you tube/showreel style of consuming football that the younger generation are doing is also having a massive impact on development of players at a grassroots level. I coach my son's team and when they were transitioning to 7a side from fun 4s/5s I asked out of the group of 20 players how many of them ever watched any full 90 minute matches and only 3 players put their hands up (The 3 who's parents actually take their children to watch games live) These 3 players have a much greater understanding of how to play the game from knowing what is required in different positions on the field, movement off the ball, what runs and passes to make and just a superior all round knowledge of the game and being a team player. A lot of the others are struggling with the concept of it being a team sport and want to do it all themselves and be the star.