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mina

PEAK

mina

so glad i checked

snoobcat

Lesss gooooo

Kae D. en

Oda is 100% a gooner, but let’s wait until after he finishes one piece to check his hard drive

Kim 555

Random but how often do you guys do PO Box openings?

1way

Peak

Qhoa

W

Justine

Excuse me ! Do you remember first episode of Naruto? Transformation jutsu? Where was ever one piece that bad? (Exept the nami scene that can be skipped that doesn't bring anything to the story) Some smelly recency bias 👃

Emily Rose

I have to just black out at the gooner ish. I have dropped other shows for less egregious things but I love one piece so much. It’s a difficult relationship at times 😭

euno

I'll just watch the intro for now, because work gonna start soon. THANKS GEKS! Also, interesting point Cannon brought up, that anime and cartoon had adult jokes so blatantly that kids wouldn't even know (of course with appropriate parental guidance). Here's the thing right, Milennials and Gen Z said all of these old animes was their childhood, yet the newer generation watchers said that animes is relatable to defend it from "too childish" allegations. But also, the new gen animes is absolutely diabolical to be watched by kids, just think about JJK, Chainsaw Man, like there're legit mutilations and what not. It's an interesting paradox.

Dasha

I really disagree that watching anime can mess up your kid. Unless you’re not present as a parent and can’t explain basic right and wrong, media alone isn’t going to do that

Jonas Teigen

Ehhh, maybe Sanji literally dying for multiple episodes because he sees some boobs, it's literally a plot point. I love One Piece, but this arc has by far more fan service than Naruto and Bleach combined.

Loyd M

Gooning in One Piece, for me its like the s*x scenes in GoT, just for shock value. 🤣

Spideycain

well anime is not a kids show anyway lol sooo

Picasso

I don’t think they’ve ever had a schedule for it, they usually just open stuff on video whenever they get them

Nanami's Wife

I still will have my kids watch anime. Mostly for character development, but watching that will not mess up ur kid😭 Neglecting and not being present in the media they ingest will. Theres so many shows we watched as a kid that had adult/gooner jokes but it always went over our heads. It’s inevitable to completely try to avoid your kid from seeing and knowing stuff. It’s out of your control, so you might as well educate them if the time comes and have them learn right from wrong🤷‍♀️

Justine

I agree it's pretty bad. The princess introduction the sanji gags.. But because one piece is longer than bleach and Naruto it will be always in disadvantage and bad things happen in all of them.

Dasha

mckay: it sounds like buggy jack: it's bellamy mckay: it's not knuckle? even tarantino can't write such a great dialogue

Dasha

btw it's bellamy and knuckle

Picasso

“Shonen” means “young boy” Shonen jump manga are publications aimed at children and young people, so yeah, One piece, Naruto, Bleach, Yugioh, etc are all shonen manga aimed at a younger demographic. It wasn’t created for adults, so the gooner stuff is pretty jarring considering who this is supposed to be for.

Chris Schwirz

Oh man the gooner piece convo yikes lmao

Chris Schwirz

The gooner stuff gets somewhat better this is one of the worser arcs

Amare D.

Ngl I watch this as a teenager and never really thought about the girl design untill I got on the Internet I just thought oh cartoon

beannie

Yeah I will always hate the gooner content, it sometimes even ruins the tone of a really good episode for me personally. One piece is still my favorite anime despite that, and I think that says a lot about how great everything else is

beannie

yeah, this one and 💃 are so diabolical💀

Spideycain

It’s not made for kids bruh maybe teenagers and up but not little kids and I just looked up and Shonen means teens as teenagers not young boys unless you called young boys teens then okay but young boys to me is like little kids like 6-10

Spideycain

Not even avatar the last airbender show blood and that’s a kid show frfr og Naruto literally shows blood coming out they mouth even show people dying lol anime is NOT a kid show lol

EmlovesOP

anime watching when ur 9-teen years peakkk

Khasar

Yes, WE all hate fan service ✌️

mina

he’s been inlove with shirahosi since she was SIX bro vander decken actually has to die

Amare D.

One pace fights are so ass

JTUltima

This is your goat? Sanji fans?

SavDog23

Post-Timeskip arcs in general are a lot longer and more complex than Pre-Timeskip arcs (7/9 Post-TS arcs will be 50+ eps long compared to 0/23 arcs being 50+ eps in Pre-TS), so Oda spends more time setting up and cooking but it makes a lot of the pay-offs hit harder and the arcs themselves will seem much more impressive when you look at them as a whole.

Nrock23

Toei will pay for their crimes

Justine

Ye for me also it's the small things that happen this arc and how they react.. before time skip usopp would encourage zorro to deal with the problem. Now they didn't even try to explain what's going on to the palace or the fishmen. Luffy making the princess untie his rope... when he is so strong. Nami would never just leave with camie just like that without informing at least usopp. Hej let's meet in the forest when you done with this here... something. It brings so much caos and repeating when the information reach the individuals. For me the character changes weren't earned. Especially when they feel like different people.

Ant

Rebecca

ngl, i switched to the manga during this arc. I was fed up lmaoo, but it's been nice trying again with yall and one pace. I think my biggest problem during the first watch is that I found Hody very bland as a villain

Dasha

yes this is my goat, what’s wrong about that?

Cannon Andrus

One piece is 10000000 x worse than Naruto

Jack

I forgot about 💃 stuff lol

Jack

Didn’t know if they were the same va or not

Nrock23

Highschool DxD would put these boys in a coma. One Piece is tame compared to shows like that. Jack is right with it being a staple of anime. There is literally a genre called ecchi anime

Chris Schwirz

The misinformation is probably exaggerated but definitely needed thematically

Unlucky Trandon

Wait did Cannon just get spoiled in the comments and if so how bad was it. Bro why can't people just not spoil😭

JTUltima

No way Cannon got spoiled twice in one week☹️ does patreon not have a mod feature?

Kylie

Idk man I was watching Soul Eater in the 4th grade and I turned out alright (this is a joke, but ig as a kid it was more like “haha funny sex joke” & move on kind of thing whereas now as an adult -especially as a young woman- I have a much different opinion on the matter. I’ll still let my kids watch OP tho)

JTUltima

They said they are looking forward to future villians instead of hordy and then specifically named 2 of them…idk how someone can be so dense to not realize they are spoiling

Nanami's Wife

The fact the comment was like 20 mins ago. Cannon has been having bad luck this week☹️ I hope it wasn't a big spoiler

Rebecca

omggg i forgot about highschool dxd - wow, what a blast from the past. this comment just unlocked my middle school memories, and now i cant believe i watched that lmao

Nrock23

It was one of the first anime I watched. Makes me feel old now

Haoge Feng

"The table was something" is diabolical💀

Silentwtf

all these anime characters be ripped and im over here looking like melted ice cream after losing 80 lbs 😭

Yannick Schwarz

one piece the "gooniest"? xD don't ever watch food wars (do it)

Nrock23

Bro no 8 year old would be able to understand the complex themes of OP anyway lol

JevCor

lol if something is there I dont care for him finishing one piece, Id prefer children being protected from harm over finding the one piece

JevCor

The back to back flashbang is crazy. You're the designated spoiler guy. :(

JevCor

I think at 8 years old I understood that murder slavery and racism were bad lol

beannie

We’re gonna be in the trenches whenever we get there @jack💀

Nanami's Wife

Hordy is so much more of a rat than Arlong. At least Arlong didn't use his own men to shield attacks, he at least cared

Nrock23

So you would show a kid a show at 8 that has slavery and racism 😂 also there more themes to this show that a kid wouldn’t pick up on. They would be missing out. I think 15 is a good age to start this show

Ciara

This is so much more enjoyable with one pace it’s insane😭

beannie

Yes, Vander decken shares voice actor with Bellamy and knuckle, and also Obito from Naruto lol

Nanami's Wife

If I could understand racism, murder, slavery, corruption, etc as a kid then I'm sure any kid would at least understand the complex themes in One Piece. And I had to learn about those things at that age because of my skin color, so same goes for others. I believe it's better for kids to watch it, so they develop more of an understanding

JevCor

Yes, I would, nothing wrong with learning morals at 8. I think you're underestimating how smart kids are. I wouldn't show them one piece because of the sexualization not because of the themes.

ahmad

Top lane tank

Nanami's Wife

I need to talk about the scene between Chopper and Sanji because that was the funniest shit so far to me in this arc😭😭😭 Genuinely one of my favorite funny moments in the show😂😂 And one of my favorite duo as well, Chopper and Sanji >>> 😭

Kayanolive

Losing 80 is crazy, good job!!

Kayanolive

Highschool of the dead, prison school and highschool dxd are the ones i know but havent seen that are the gooniest, not the audience for it i wished oda tuned it down a lil

beannie

Chopper crying and begging sanji to not turn around was hilarious, he deadass thought he would die😭

beannie

ngl yall should start blocking people who spoil in the comments😭

beannie

Choppers voice actress kills me in that scene😭😭 the “YAMEROOOOOOO SAANJIIII” is sooooo funny😭😭 and the fuckass ost in the background just made it 10 times funnier

Higgy8

I am an adamant one pace denier, but even I have to admit that I have been liking this arc significantly better than the first time I watched it. This arc was originally my second least favorite arc but so far it has not been nearly as bad.

ainsley

i really just hate how oda goons out on the minors, like having luffy jump on a 16 year olds badonkers is just so beyond wrong.

N P

The fact that we're watching JoJo's right now made me realize who Vander Decken shares a VA with. Certain character in a later part, real ones know

ainsley

i’ve watched all of the big 3 and i can say for certain one piece is the gooniest. i mean brooks literal catchphrase is asking girls to see their underwear, GOONER SHIT.

Kayanolive

28:22 it was like this in the manga too, thats one pace's whole schtick haha

Mikey214

Bro holy crap Cannon, can you just watch it and quit crying about Luffy getting tied up. Just trust the process dude, Luffy was just trying not to be hostile and he let them capture him because he knew he could easily escape.

YoItsNiko

for just this arc at least

Kurofi

Hody Jones aka Michael Jackson lookin ah fishman

Kayanolive

Last time franky wanted to see someone related to tom and now we got this scene

Kayanolive

30:03 Humans did make that blood donation law for example. But we definetly saw prejudice and resentment towards humans especially by hodys group. Very important detail

JPickup6

yeah OP is horny, more at some points than others, this is def part recency bias and sadly as Jack says its a staple of Anime the character designs is where it prob fails the most relatively, one note, inappropriate, etc maybe you can prefer how its woven into other stories, you consider it more mature, maybe the character designs specifically matters alot cause of how constant itll be in the story but there is alot of all time stuff which inevitably contains gooning material, naruto/bleach, dragonball, gintama, parasyte, cowboy bebop, jojos, evangelion, code geass, berserk, etc all have it before you even get to the modern shonen which are just outright horny, I think all of these easily outclass OP in this food wars, fire force, fairy tail, seven deadly sins, sword art online, konosuba, no game no life, mushoku tensei, etc and then we dont even want to address the stuff thats literally made to goon to, stuff like highschool dxd, redo of healer, or darling in the franxx could easily be classified as that, some of the "romance" stuff like rent a girlfriend

kaan

If loving women wrong, then I don’t wanna be right

Nanami's Wife

Idk if you guys are watching the new season of “The Boys”, but there was a One Piece reference/cameo in the background in the episode. Literally my two worlds colliding 😭

Pace

i love one piece so much that i cannot like the live action or toei...lol but i still like ur reactions and thats all that matters

Kayanolive

Sanji she is 16 🫩

Pace

Q: does the gooning scale? A: Yes. Oda is actually a pervert lol & by the time you catch up, you will see a lot more.

sil 🧸ྀི

chopper x sanji duo is the very best lmao

Nahgi

You guys, pronunciation of Otohime is good🙂‍↕️ Actually it was cute😆

GBuckets

Common fan theory is that Toei hates sanji and that they made his scenes in ways so fans end up hating him. In the newer arc’s intro they didn’t include him in some of the shots apparently and some other things in the past

Kayanolive

The guide is good but its pace thats doing the heavy lifting for sure, for later arcs i even think it uses way too little pace but we will cross the bridge when we get there

Chayma

Lmao fr

Kurofi

Cannon losing it over rope was hilarious 🤣 especially with Jacks sideye LOL

McKay Carter

One piece vs Naruto gooning isn’t even a debate

T.Yaseen

Cannon with the Kim Possible ball knowledge😭, Shego made me feel things too tho lmaoo

Nanami's Wife

At this point it's not even a theory, it's so obvious Toei mistreats Sanji. Makes me love him even more honestly

Chayma

I absolutely despise fan service and I usually don’t even bother to watch animes that have it, One piece is probably the only one worth the suffering 💔

JTUltima

Spoiler!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler SPOILER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Doflamingo and Blackbeard, obviously Cannon already knows who they are, but now he knows there are arcs centered around them

Chayma

Tbh one piece is the only anime they should bother themselves with fanservice because of the payoff, but yes fortunately compared to those mentioned it’s not as bad (Oda’s still a creep tho)

Kurofi

Spoiler lol

Chayma

I started reading One piece when I was 8, and my parents started letting me watch OP and other animes when I was 9 Somehow I think some animes are fine to watch younger (sailor moon, Pokémon, some Ghibli movies…) but I do agree, I would not let my kids watch OP or any of the big 3 too young.

Kurofi

Wadatsumi’s VA is Hanataro’s in bleach I just realized

Riksu

Shonen specifically refers to young boys, and the age can range anywhere from 7 to 18 or even 20 in legal terms. For shonen manga, the demographic is generally between 10 to 18 years old but there is no hard rule in any direction. Avatar is not an anime and was made in the west, where they have different standards to what is seen as acceptable. The fact that a shonen anime like Naruto portrays blood and death in a way Avatar doesn’t should already tell you the standards in Japan are different to what you’re expecting. Also, anime doesn’t mean specifically shonen or that it’s geared toward a certain audience. It’s a form of art and there are literally as many genres as there are for other types of media. A statement like ”anime is not for kids” is wildly incorrect. Shows like Doraemon and Pokemon are explicitly geared toward young children and are not the same as Attack on Titan or Berserk.

Nick K

Oda is a pure soul who just draws women to look like his wife, meanwhile the GEKs are projecting their gooner thoughts onto the show and honestly they're starting to go off the rails. The looks you guys make when a women is on screen like come on just take a deep breath you're making Sanji look tame. Them being live action fans is the GEKs goonerism manifesting even more as they try to bring their desires into "reality" just makes me smh my head

Nick K

Wait they no joke called OP a bigger gooner show in the big 3 than Naruto when you have in EPISODE 1 the "sexy no jutsu" where a young boy turns into a naked girl to give his teacher a nosebleed? Naruto also says that he perfected his technique with tons of research aka stealing p*rn magazines. When your MC is a gooner that makes that show THE gooner show, full stop.

Nick K

perfectly synced timing right now too

Kurofi

Such a unique voice lol I love it

Riksu

He’s allowed to be annoyed at things, and it’s not like he didn’t have a point. Even if Luffy didn’t wanna hurt the civilians that doesn’t mean he didn’t have the ability to avoid them. Is he just always supposed to stay quiet when something doesn’t make sense to him in the moment? This is a reaction, the point is for them to say what they think.

Mikey214

Okay, and I’m allowed to share my comment. No need to be booty hurt and start defending

Kiyan

You good man? Maybe you're too desensitized to OP fanservice, but I'm just glad they've got the awareness to acknowledge how weird it is. For 500+ episodes, there's consistently great writing, and even more consistent fanservice. From adults, minors, side and main characters. Yes, plenty of other anime do this as well. In this case, the Geks have invested a lot of time watching it, and OP is pretty unsubtle with it. I guess there were only so many times they could make faces and say nothing much about it. You'd be better if you could take the faults of the show more gracefully than get so pressed and defensive about it.

Nick K

Sorry I thought I was being dramatic enough but my first comment was just joking around the way they were. I even did an "smh my head" at the end for added parody effect. I think they generally are pearl clutching a bit too often but I'm not bothered by it. All in good fun

Cannon Andrus

Mikey you’re being what we call a HINDSIGHT MERCHANT LITERALLY TO A T BROTHER 🤣🤣🤣

Mikey214

Well Cannon you’re exactly what Luffy calls Shirahoshi, “CrybabyGek” 🤣

T.Yaseen

Nah the rope shit in One Piece is annoying, you can't tell me with how strong Luffy is, he can't get out of that damn rope...

Maj

58:45 that's facts Carter - one piece NPCs averaging 70iq max

PenutButerHelicopter

The tree roots are like fiber optic cables the way they carry the light

Kayanolive

It was worth to be a lil annoying about it for months

Safaricat

i wouldn't say one piece or either of the other two from the big 3 are gooner shows. most of it is childish boy humor shit. that's why these shows are aged appropriately. also a lot of the stuff from like old school disney was sexual in a way we just didn't understand. Rocco worked at a phone sex place. I wasn't even allowed to watch Ren and Stimpy my mom said it was vulgar. like jack said a lot of these moments are going over kids heads.

Safaricat

Also i love that you guys have so much hope in breaking the cycle of hatred but unfortunately that kind of thing only happens in anime.

Milochocodrink (Zoro's wife)

I really like how often OP has brought back or alluded to past characters (especially in the cover stories). It makes the world feel lived in/alive. It’s the benefits of being a long running anime, and I haven’t really seen it much

Hegataro

Yeah exactly. I was 14-15 when FI was coming out in the anime, so a lot of the gooney stuff came off as either throwaway gags or "get on with it I want the LORE" When it was coming out originally, you would've been more likely to drop the thing because of the pacing of the anime than the tits

Milochocodrink (Zoro's wife)

Very true. For what it’s worth, Arlong loved fishmen: he was protective, loyal and cared about his ‘race’

Seb

Noooooo 😭

Noha⁷

Sanji got done so dirty idc. i don't know what's toei problem with him

Tyrell D. Rose

The gooning in One Piece does scale pretty hard 😅 it becomes so ridiculous at one point, i feel like what we have here is soft in comparison. I don’t even see the goon on my screen anymore until you mention it, my brain is cooked 😣 but we still love One piece

JevCor

Mikey the pfp does not match the tone and its taking me out lmao

JevCor

I understand the struggle, but it's worth it to be able to breathe sleep and move around better trust

Pretty Soul

Comparing to the next arc in term of 'fan-service', this arc is gentle. Sometimes, you have to close one side of the brain to watch it. ** Spoiler in the Comment **

Matthew Hunt Davies🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿

I dont mind fan service but I hate it when they're underage. You could easily make them 18. Although I suppose in Japan its normal because the legal age of sexual consent was 13, until 2023. But yeah Sanji being 21, lusting over a 16 yo, isnt a very good look.

Zess

The unfortunate truth is because of 16 being the equivalent of 18 in Japan. It's why it's a number you will find in anime constantly. I hate it too, but it's just the answer for it at the end of the day.

Zess

Not the worst spoiler since both of those could very very easily be assumed, especially the latter lol but definitely still screw that guy for talking about anything that hasnt been shown yet. Just dumb weebs who get too excited and dont think anything through lol

Zess

This is easily one of the funniest gag moments in the show lol

High Village

hearing this from people from a country where fucking OnlyFans is an industry is so hilarious. also cant really take americans serious with their language policing and appropriation of culture while they even censor the F word and boobs in TV... look I'm too old for this gooner shit too and its defintely the weakest/ most unnecessary parts in One Piece, but god damn are americans always so prude lolol

Zess

Agreed, plus even watching a movie/show that is meant for adults isnt inherently a bad thing either. I watched plenty of R rated movies growing up with and without my parents. It's not gonna corrupt people lol might even show different ideas early on that can be good for growth. Just keep the porn equivalent of movies away from them lol american pie and magic mike probably wont be good for growth. But plenty of critically acclaimed stories that have mature themes creates awesome dialogue or even introspection.

Zess

@Jonas that isnt the same as fan service lol fan service is those characters getting naked for him, or the classic trip over each other where the guy ends up grabbing ass or boobs. Sanji is just looking at a fully clothed mermaid just chilling and freaking out from lack of exposure. It's definitely a gooner gag, but it's not fan service lol now the luffy jumping on giant boobs counts as fan service, even when the character has no interest in something like that. Look at any ecchi or harem anime out there and you will see the difference between a gag and true fan service. Or the fire cat girl in Fire Force is a perfect example. Clothes magically vanish and she will end up making any male character around somehow end up groping her. Sanji bleeding isnt fan service lol

Zess

He's a problematic old guy, but I dont think theres anything to worry about with being an actual pedo or anything lol I even think he has good intentions. He's just outdated as fuck when it comes to sex and gender, but you actively see him grow over the course of the story. He just thinks sex is funny/cool, like his idols/mentors depicted in their own stories. OG Dragonball was perverted as fuck lol

sesaka

I dont remember any major fan service in the next arc?

wanira 11

I honestly think Oda just wanted to show Luffy being capable to throw hands with his hands tied behind his back 🤷‍♀️

Pretty Soul

Spoiler I mean the overexposure and focus of the breast. I understand the plot requires them to body swap but Sanji in Nami's body and Smoker in Tashigi's body is just uncomfortable.

Daniella

Looool if you think one piece is bad fire force would have you guys in shambles 💀 Jack is right though unfortunately it is a staple for shounen anime, fan service that is catered towards mostly young boys is what sells in Japan. Although, i hate when the fan service is centered around minors (Shirahoshi could easily wear what Camie is wearing) it just is what it is at this point, one piece is my favourite show but yeah my kids won't be watching until they're like 13.

sesaka

I think the point with the rope was to put into perspective how powerful luffy is. He can beat vander decken with his hands LITERALLY tied behind his back

JTUltima

Yeah it’s not that bad, I think he assumed the 2nd one will be focused on already but definitely not the first

ahmad

damn chill out

Jonas Teigen

Pretty wild to stereotype all Americans over that. That’s just not how it works.

Daniella

Chopper hysterically crying over Sanji potentially dying from seeing Shirahoshi is one of the funniest scenes in the show 😂

Mooncat

Sorry they may have already explained it but is their a reason they didn’t end up watching the fish man island remake?

Law.D.Maris

Them calling Oda a goon for all those scenes that he draws and then Toei amplifying them makes me hope they never watch Fire Force or Food Wars (which I both love). But then there’s the side of me that wants to see what their reactions would be to those bc let’s be honest they’re insane and obscene in every way possible🙃🤧 It’s a lose-lose battle for me, so I’ll just stay over in my corner haha👋🏼 bye-bye😂

JBVI

Yes, the portrayal of women in One Piece is very problematic. That is one of the many reasons why One Piece will never be considered high-quality classic literature.

Emily Rose

the legal age of consent was 13 🫩 oh my

High Village

I dunno why my answers are not showing up, maybe I can kinda quote them again. @ahmad why, are we not old enough to call things out and say as we think they are? just to be clear I like all the guys, they are I think great people probably. this is not personal in any way. lets just say it as it is, just bc its too goony for them does not apply to the rest of the world probably at least most countries are not as conservative when it comes to sexuality and also just human bodies, doesnt get much more human than that. @Jonas Teigen ye wild to say that I said that. still looking for the ALL americans. true that is not how reading comprehension should work, but I guess we're in that age now. I do not think americans are a monolith like no culture is, however you have cultural aspects that differ from country or cultures. This is definitely way more prevelant in america tho, to be conserative when it comes to this. Also the "lolol" at the end should have been an indicator that this is not to taken too seriously or personally in any way.

wanira 11

The visual representation yes. But story-wise, they are fantastically written characters. At the end of the day, that fact overshadows any issues I have with the visual representation

Marcus D

Fun fact: Hachi’s VA is Minato and Enel

Marcus D

This is only for new stuff, since the 1000s+ of episodes, not the current stuff the Geks are watching. Please don’t spread misinformation.

B

It can be broken IRL 🙏🏽

B

Whoever is currently the one being hated on is the one that has the burden to break the cycle. But I think that requires an acknowledgment of the hate and apology from the other party because the weight of that responsibility is a lot. That’s just the nature of it being both “understandable” that someone who has been hurt wants to hurt others, and “right” that the person who has been hurt should take the high road and spread love instead of hate. IMO

JBVI

Unfortunately, I don't really like manga as a medium, and the visual presentation is an integral part of the work itself. The way the author draws each scene actively shapes the story. That's why I can't completely separate this aspect. Unfortunately, since I'm a big fan of the story's message, I have to put up with it.

cozo

robin really drops that lore and u guys pay attention to the fact she looks like a fish 😭😭

beannie

Your comment is a brain dead take to me lmao, first you try to mock them because of the country they live in, then you agree with them, but at the end you don’t understand what was their actual problem with the goon content. I’m gonna assume that you’re kinda new here, the geks have never actually complained about the gooning in op, it literally started to be “alarming” since last drop because they found out that shirahoshi is a minor, that’s why they started discussing about it, it’s not because they’re too “prude”, but because sexualizing a minor does not sit right with them

High Village

ye thanks you just confimed to me you didnt understand it at all. and no that's not what I did. and nope I'm not watching them since first episode of AOT on yt, just dont see mostly a reason to post anything. the thing that made me post was an arguement something like: "this is the reason my kids cant watch one piece", again which is probably a cultural thing bc its a kids show for kids mainly, like teens sure not 7 year olds. so no I just did wanna make this post to make it clear that other cultures may differ in their approach to this. and again I can still agree with gooning content not adding any value to One Piece.

Tom

How does that make sense? Plus it's mainly a Toei issue.

Alan

One piece isn’t the gooniest

Alan

There are way worse 😂

cozo

W carter for mentioning it in the outro

cozo

1:12:20 this was only like 3 episodes cannon wdym 7 😭

Chayma

💀 oh God, I’m so sad for you wtf

Kurofi

🤣 never! The OP community has listed off what many characters look like/inspired ODA for their designs and Hody always gets MJ…..unfortunately for MU

cozo

drop the spoiler in discord with spoiler tag pls

Judleart - Julie DL

I wish you watch the regular pace for the flashback parts, it’s really good and it’s pretty important., let it cook you all

Nanami's Wife

The character development and building of the women in here are incredible. The only issue we have is some design that are based on the overly done boobs. I feel like people forget there are so many characters in one piece and we have seen so many female characters that aren’t built the same hourglass. It’s just the main ones we see that has more focus in the plot are mostly built like that. But other than that, let’s not disregard Oda’s great writing he’s done for his female characters.

Jack

It’s just hard to pick those out among the one pace

Jack

Fire force is so sus lol

Jack

I asked around our community and got tons of feedback that people didn’t want us to watch the remake. There are obviously lots of opinions out there but we are just gonna do OG and One Pace

Jack

I’ve seen some fire force, I know it is lol

Jack

😂

wanira 11

@Jack the guide you are following has those eps in non one pace don't worry

Jack

Oh my gosh yes

Judleart - Julie DL

I think you are doing a pretty good job jack! Also I was in your position for a while watching one piece with my friends and holding in spoilers or not participating in theories and it’s so hard! Now they are all caught up and we have a group on insta where we are talking about the last chapters 😂

StanleyMurkle

You guys could call it goon piece all you want but theres other anime and shows that straight up just show nudity, and that doesn’t stop people from having them in high regard, yes one piece is a lil freaky at times but compared to shows like edgerunners, GOT and the sopranos it’s pretty tame (all these shows are goated btw)

mouse pouch

cook you in terms of boredom, sorry but this is by far the worst paced part of the entire anime

christopher

I can say this for sure if you think one piece is gooner wait for bleach

Juu

The gooning complaints in one piece are so overexadurated. As someone who watched OP when I was 13-14, I promise you kids seeing brook ask to see someones underwear or sanji get a nosebleed are not phased. You see things 100x more degen in the average pg13 comedy movie or youtube shorts. I really feel like terminally online people make a discussion out of nothing when it comes to OP just to hate. The ONE truly degen part is absolom and that was definitely wack, but overall I think OP gooner complaints are super overblown.

Law.D.Maris

That’s why I’ll just stay here in my corner haha

Lorenzo

Wouldnt the remake have been a better watch? I didn’t watch it which is why im asking

Zach D Law

These comments are wilding, half getting butt hurt over the show getting called goon piece and another 3rd complaining over nonsense. Shoutout to the people in here that are enjoying the arc and spreading love in the comments. Love this show even with its faults. It’s okay to voice your opinions, but let’s take it down a notch and not spread hate about other anime just to defend one piece. No long running anime is perfect.

Nrock23

Y’all need to chill. I never said a kid shouldn’t learn about those things. I just think OP isn’t a show an 8 year old should be watching. That’s it, not trying to argue

Tony

Nah a lot of these commenters are so far down the hole that their conception of what's normal is screwed up; One Piece IS gooner af and it's not weird to notice that.

Saki 🏴‍☠️✨❤️‍🔥

honestly as someone who wasss watching/reading one piece at 8, i dont really think the fanservice clocked to me much as a child lol, especially in pre-timeskip! but it definitely gets worse in post-timeskip, and unfortunately thats something that i remember happening with several series as they went on, including things like bleach - definitely got fanservice fatigue with everything at some point lol 😭 but thats also my fault for keeping with things like fairytail at the same time too so (some of the worst fanservice in shonen later on, i should think)

Saki 🏴‍☠️✨❤️‍🔥

tbf i also watched/read things that were a lot worse in general tho, with unrestricted access to the internet so- 🤷🏻‍♀

StanleyMurkle

Im definitely NOT defending some of the stuff op does like the outta pocket shi like the absalom scene and shirahoshi being dressed like that at 16 im just tryna put in perspective compared to other shows

EmlovesOP

Theirs a whole other world out there the boys know nothing about 😭

Dale Cooper

They do cut some stuff in the remake that was in the manga and/or bring more context so it's better to get some extra stuff instead of missing things.

Unlucky Trandon

Having a gooner mc is different than a gooner show though. Naruto might be the gooner mc but it’s pretty hard to deny that One Piece isn’t the Gooner anime out of the big 3. Especially with all the scenes that we’ve seen and the scenes we’ve yet to see. Also Oda literally practiced drawing asses just so they could look sexier and we can very much see it in a certain arc.

Dale Cooper

The fishman genetic code just using some ancestor's DNA to make a kid just means you can cheat on your spouse and just say "Guess I had that type of gene in my past.". Cheater's dream.

EmlovesOP

lowkey I feel like japan in general just a little freaky u kinda have to go with it lol

EmlovesOP

pls react to the bio movie when it comes out

Spidey

Robin to franky was needed mckay smh

Alexander

One piece has way more intentional fanservice than bleach does

Alexander

I feel like yall being relatively new to anime is why the fanservice stands out so much. If you grew up watching it alot as a kid seeing all that now you'd basically be numb to it and just accept it for what it is lol. That may or may not be a good thing but at the same time it definitely makes the watching experience way easier. Like there's alot of amazing anime that unfortunately are just plagued with huge fanservice moments.

christopher

you might be right i read manga more. Manga Oda likes to draw sexy women but theres no real fan service

Cory McGranahan

This is my first time watching one pace, and imma be real this ain’t it. Maybe the action is better, but as of now all the emotional beats are hella rushed, the timing feels off, and it cuts little background interactions and funny frames. The subtitles also changes some of the jokes for some reason?

Law.D.Maris

yes it is, especially with this final season

kuza

yea the rope shit is always so annoying 😭😭

kuza

do yall just skip the episodes u end up missing if ur sick or something? 😭 mckay asking if they answered why there is light down there when that was just last batch made me wonder

kuza

u tryna sit through bad pacing forever 💔

kuza

bleach is hardly fan service

cozo

he probably just wasn't as locked in when watching on his own

ahmad

Og pacing is just unbearable, it genuinely lowers the quality of post-TS arcs significantly. One pace isn't perfect though so they're watching a mix of both!

kuza

i would think itd be the opposite 😭

DietCocaine

That kimpossible take by cannon was the realest shit ever.

Dasha

The 2023 change just aligned the national law with what was already happening in practice. 16-18 (depending on prefecture) was practical age of consent since 1950s

Dasha

neither of them remembered that last episode franky went to meet tom's brother and robin went to search for "piece of history", so this time they didn't understand who's franky talking to and were surprised that robin is talking about poneglyphs. they are just not locked in on some dialogues, maybe because one pace makes it harder. also mckay knew about shirahoshi's age and vander decken's motivations, so I assume he watched the previous eps

Nashi

Just because it’s been repeated by Carter like some sort of truth I want to make a little point. One Piece is as great as it is because it lives in animation, even as a manga OP I’d say One Piece isn’t at its truest form, because animation is the one medium where everything is as free as your imagination can be, no drawbacks, no uncanny valley, no limitations. A different plane of existence entirely from what we call our own reality. That goes for a lot of animated works. The One Piece live action is NOT that, I don’t even dislike it that much, it was fine, but I would never say to anyone that hates it as something that was brought to existence that they “don’t really like One Piece” because of that. The live action is at best a homage, at best a little preview of what sketches of a great world could be, completely limited by the sole fact that it tries to realize something in “our world”, which just doesn’t work, which just isn’t from our world. Of ALL the the animations I’ve seen One piece is THE ONE in which should have never even been thought as a live action series. I don’t care for the live action, and I love One Piece for what it is, I understand what it tries to do and what it isn’t, and it isn’t in our world.

jrnoodles

Thanks Geks! I never thought I would say this, but One Pace definitely helps this arc.

Error445

Watching fishman arc in real time seeing the Sanji goon was actually so painful just because we’re waiting every week. But having the one pace, 2 episodes at a time definitely makes it more entertaining and funny. The goon haunts you.

kuza

it felt like other geks just gave him a summary

Aratyu

The real problem with gooning in anime is that they are written by old dudes and they're litterrally trying to appeal to a younger audience through adult perversions. Growing up watching a lot of anime, i can say that it's a really questionable approach in japanese culture and that it's going way too far, there's no excuse for it. The translation of Shonen is Young Boy, and they think that it's going to sell more if they add sussy content in their work. We're looking at it now with our adult eyes but for kids it has a bad influence, no doubt about it. Like Canon said, in Disney or other western animation at least it's subtle and children would not catch it as a primary subject of the show.

Kayanolive

To each their own, i want oda's version and care about pacing so i wont be watching toei's filler fest

Jonathan Jimenez

Lmao the one piece is gooning, I choked laughing

Noods

Well said. I also think another way to put it is if someone watched only the anime, I'd consider them a "fan". Only watching the live action, however, even if it had a lot more length to it, I wouldn't consider you to be a "fan".

Sasha (Yare Yare Daze)

One Piece is not for kids at all. They don't even understand some of this stuff. I think One Piece is most for adults of big three and not because of the gooning stuff.

Kayanolive

We been trying to tell yall lmao

Nashi

The one thing OP does a lot is the sus pan shots and boob shots, but like you said there’s worse than that out there in anime and in live action. Still hate it though, just weird stuff, except Sanji’s gag, I love it lmao

Nashi

America is sexually conservative? Lol I wish

Nashi

I mean yeah but it’s also a 20 foot mermaid

Nashi

This was probably the funniest stretch of his gag what do you mean lol

EmlovesOP

kids nah teens yes

Chrisiyyi

Talking about gooning in anime when most of us play gta or crazy games or watch american movies is crazy to me. I am not saying this is good, but this aint gonna do anything to a kid, average boy checks boobies when they get to puberty and are growing up completely fine. Its more about teaching your kid how to deal with media rather then deny them i think it fucks their mind way more if they then come in contact with it personally.

Chrisiyyi

Agree with the sentiment a little bit, i wouldve worded it differently though and dont necessarily think the boys or all / only Americans are like that but i think people in general do that. Ofcourse ideal world anything without fanservice is better and would make the episodes better too.. but you cant tell me some bouncing boobie is worse then a orc beheaded or a person get shot in a movie when watching as a teen, these animes are mostly for teens anyway with blood and higher concepts... if someone would be fine with that but not some cleavage then there are dubble standards in my opinion a little bit.

Sasha (Yare Yare Daze)

Well yeah. And in my opinion this is quite the usual level of fanservice with animes targeted towards teens and young adults

Marcus D

The humour with that Sanji scene is one of the big reasons I love one piece so much 😂

Dasha

well I wouldn't be surprised if that's the case

Jeff

I dunno if jack should say how long the arc is? So they dont have a hint of how long or short things could take?

DonDuh103

Jack just has a different goon🤷‍♂️

DonDuh103

Sanji stuff is funny but hindsight it just looks bad😑😑😑

charlie

when did they tell brook all the lore?

charlie

yet they are the only channel that I see bring it up like this so lol

april 🍏

One Piece isn't a kids show and I definitely wouldn't have been allowed to watch it growing up lol. In Canada it was rated 14+. tbh the fan service was what stopped me from watching One Piece until just a few years ago lol. But now that my pre-frontal cortex is fully developed I feel like I can be a critical consumer and love the art and message without trying to justify or defend it's flaws. Like, the fan service is there and it will always weird me out that in Japan it's targeted at a demographic as young as 12 (I say this as someone who used to love teacherxstudent shoujo mangas when she was that 12 and thought it was totally normal, so I'm well aware of what a 12 year old brain is processing at that age haha), but as someone who has [hopefully] developed media literacy over the years, I do think it's pretty mild in terms of intent. I can handle the cleavage, but there are some shows I know I'll never watch because I feel like the author needs their hard drives checked, yk? The Absolam stuff icked me out but in my recollection that's about as far as Oda pushes that boundary. granted, I''m not finished yet so here's to hoping lol 🤞 For now, I'll continue to pretend the girlies have their tits out as their form of self expression and not bc a middle aged man wanted to draw titties and goon out lmao. It's a reach but it helps me enjoy the soul of the story along with the emotional and political nuances without trying to headcanon and justify the parts I don't like. And it's perfectly fine and healthy to recognize and discuss flaws in the media we love, so continue to speak your truth, boys 🙂‍↕️

Szonin

Don't worry Jack, I will defend goon Oda. I will be hear at ep. 819!

1way

Peak

Sailingcats420

It's so weird to hear a straight guy be upset over seeing the female body🤦‍♂️ lol also one piece isnt classified as a kids show, your really underselling the themes of the show if you think its for kids.

bigdog

You must embrace the goon

Zipzzty

Let’s go

Liza

Going to start catching up again, lets gooo

Zipzzty

1:03:15 Tuff

Dakota

As someone who is currently writing a story, that I would one day like to publish as a light novel and then turn into an anime, I think it really depends on the context of the rest of the story. I think "fan service" is kinda unnecessary, but romance might be included. I haven't really made up my mind, but it definitely also depends on the age of the characters and the setting. It can't/shouldn't be added just for the heck of it. It gets old in anime really fast, especially the adventure anime that are not romance focused.